Please keep us posted on the availability of the 2005 Retractable Key Fob as retrofits for 2004s.

Yes, I'd like to know about this too.

Please keep us posted on the availability of the 2005 Retractable Key Fob as retrofits for 2004s.

I will check with Mazda on these. The thing is it is a chip key. It talks to the car so it will crank. If the key will work the car it will have to be programed to start the car.
A Mazda dealer will need to do this. Most dealers charge 1 hour labor. I know my dealership it at $73.00 a hour.

You can program your key yourself. It should take you about 5 seconds to do.

I'm also very interested in these. And as Jason stated there is a procedure for programming the key yourself, works really well. ;)

I have keys on order and will check one of our cars out to see if they will work.

What price did you get from Mazda?

I'd be interested in the key as well.

I got these on order but they are on backorder. This is so new there is no price listed yet.

You can program your key yourself. It should take you about 5 seconds to do.

Jason- any idea if programming the fob portion of the key is just as easy? I've seen the directions for the key itself, but not the remotes...

Sorry, I haven't read any info about programming the alarm part of the key.

I'm also extremely interested in obtaining one of these. Are you taking any pre-orders for the ones you currently have on order? (Assuming they end up working on the 2004 8)

try this link, found from searching the board....

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?threadid=18322

try this link, found from searching the board....

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?threadid=18322

Very cool- thanks for digging that up.

Sounds like a long line for this item--is there a pre-order brewin'? :D

Sounds like a long line for this item--is there a pre-order brewin'? :D
Like I was saying. Mazda has not a one in the USA. I have on order and I want the make really really sure that it will work on a 04. I don't want someone to tell me it will and I cut a few a it will not work. As soon as I get them in I will test it out on a car and release my findings out. Mazda just loaded the number in the system this week. I am hoping it will work. I know you all would like them.

thanks trusss we'll be looking for them

You can program your key yourself. It should take you about 5 seconds to do.

How?? Could you tell us please. I've seen the how-2 on the alarm reprogramming portion, but not the key transponder (as the engine immobiliser looks at the key to make sure it is the correct one). If this part isn't done then the car wont turn over.

Thanks.

How?? Could you tell us please. I've seen the how-2 on the alarm reprogramming portion, but not the key transponder (as the engine immobiliser looks at the key to make sure it is the correct one). If this part isn't done then the car wont turn over.

Thanks.
Taka has a DIY on this!!!

My only DIY and I am proud of it. Save your $70. My dealer taught me this and don't even charge me. rip off :p

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=15244&highlight=code+key

Look underneath this thread ~ at the similar threads portion!!! The link is there! I start to think this site is gun :p

Look underneath this thread ~ at the similar threads portion!!! The link is there! I start to think this site is gun :p

No offense, but I was looking for something you didn't need all the keys for, and that the person has tried himself. Not something that has just been witnessed.
That must be possible? What happens if somebody had lost a key??

What? I don't understand. This is from the Mazda RX-8 workbook. And he coded my rotary key in front of me, following the instructions of his workbook. What is wrong with that!?

What happens if somebody had lost a key??
With one key............................................... ....
.................................................. ............... -_-"

What happens if somebody had lost a key??

I've been doing some more searching, and it looks like if you've lost a key (and you only have 1) your f**ked. No possible D.I.Y. Dealer reprogramming only...

At the moment I have 3 ^^" I better get that one and made a 4th one, shouldn't I?

For people in Australia, there is a machine that reprogramme but there is only one that Mazda Australia have (in Glen Waverley Melbourne)

I am also looking forward to the new keys. The current ones don't match the car. I feel like I have the keys to my girlfriend's old(and dead) mx6. Now that we saved at least $50 for the reprogramming(hopefully our fellow out of country rx8ers' diy works), when you do get them in (If before Nov 30th), does the Mazda accessories rebate apply? Thanks

tmparts, any updates on compatibility?

What price did you get from Mazda?

cortc are these available yet? If so how much?

I will check again today...

Ok, checked... The pricing is still not available in the system...

thanks cortc

Ok, checked... The pricing is still not available in the system...

Can you let us know... when they are :D, thanks...

Key's and remote just got in. You will need to buy both. I am testing the only complete set now to see if will work. I will know shortly if it does. Mazda has no more remotes in stock. I have 9 keys and only one remote which is the test one. These are not cheap.

$179.04 with $7.50 shipping.

I will know soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bad news guys, no key for us.

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=547056&postcount=14

what? why did it work for SNAP on? let Trussville test them first...Rosenthal may have made an error

i agree, it seems more unlikely that someone who thinks they got it to work to be wrong than someone who couldnt get the key to work.

ya hopefully Trussville can get them to work. Truss...is that price for both the key & the remote or just the remote?

We have been able to get the transmitter to work on the '04 but the key won't. Mazda has told us that the frequencies used are different.

that really sucks. I'm not too familiar with how the key works, but is it a matter of circuitry in the black plastic base of the '05 key that is different? or is it in the keyhole receiver of the actual '04 car?

I'm still in for the transmitter since it is much cooler then the 04 one...but I'm thinking couldn't I just hack apart an 04 key remove the chip and place it in the 05 key?

we shouldn't have to though...Mazda can fix this and they better

We have been able to get the transmitter to work on the '04 but the key won't. Mazda has told us that the frequencies used are different.

hi regarding the quote above - does this means that the transmitter (arm/disarm/trunk/panic) does WORK with the 2005 key on a 2004 car, but that the passive immobilizer (chip in 2004 key) does not mobilize the car?

sorry - i just wanted to double-check.!

Thanks!

ya hopefully Trussville can get them to work. Truss...is that price for both the key & the remote or just the remote?

Yes it is for both.

The remote is $143.16
the key is $37.36

hi regarding the quote above - does this means that the transmitter (arm/disarm/trunk/panic) does WORK with the 2005 key on a 2004 car, but that the passive immobilizer (chip in 2004 key) does not mobilize the car?

sorry - i just wanted to double-check.!

Thanks!
the transmitter does work and the key will not

truss do you think it would be possible for me to buy the key cut it open and replace the internals of the key with a cut up 04 key?

Anything possible. If you want to we sell anything.
Really I don't want anyone to waste there money.

Just broke open the test key. No way to get that little thing out.
I need to sell something else. Just lost $30.00 doing that.


PLEASE BUY some ACCESSORIES.

Rebate is still on till NOV 30,2004

Is there any way you can find out if the coil around the ignition switch is different in the 05 car?

My understanding of the way the system works is that the "coil" reads the key ID number and sends that data to the "keyless Control Module" which then sends a signal to the ECU allowing the car to start. One of the trouble codes is "13" meaning the key ID cannot be read or there was a key ID registration error. The trouble shooting for that DTC states that:

"Any of the following items are touching or near the key head"
--Spare keys
--Keys for other vehicles equipped with an immobilizer system
--Any metallic object
--Any electronic device, or any credit or other cards with magnietic strips"

These items will interfere with the coil reading the ID # from the key. With the new 05 keys they have the remote keyless entry circuitry as part of the key, and this could be what is interfering with the 04 coil from reading the 05 key. That means that Mazda would have to have a new coil around the ignition to read the 05 key. So long as there are no changes in the keyless control module, we should be able to swap out the 04 coil with the 05 coil and then get a new set of 05 keys and have them coded.

that is a very interesting idea...we ALL need to leverage mazda to let this new key/transmitter fob to work with the 04s

truss you opened the key? wow...you really work hard for your customers that is why I keep buying accessories from you :) (oh and those license plate frames, the dark crome looking rx8 ones are just as beautiful as you guys told me, I get complements all the time :D )

Is there any way you can find out if the coil around the ignition switch is different in the 05 car?

My understanding of the way the system works is that the "coil" reads the key ID number and sends that data to the "keyless Control Module" which then sends a signal to the ECU allowing the car to start. One of the trouble codes is "13" meaning the key ID cannot be read or there was a key ID registration error. The trouble shooting for that DTC states that:

"Any of the following items are touching or near the key head"
--Spare keys
--Keys for other vehicles equipped with an immobilizer system
--Any metallic object
--Any electronic device, or any credit or other cards with magnietic strips"

These items will interfere with the coil reading the ID # from the key. With the new 05 keys they have the remote keyless entry circuitry as part of the key, and this could be what is interfering with the 04 coil from reading the 05 key. That means that Mazda would have to have a new coil around the ignition to read the 05 key. So long as there are no changes in the keyless control module, we should be able to swap out the 04 coil with the 05 coil and then get a new set of 05 keys and have them coded.

Are the secondary keys the same part number?

Are the secondary keys the same part number?

help us out snap on, please

tmparts, rosenthal, snap-on,

does the 04 key work in an 05 ignition?

Are the secondary keys the same part number?
What are you asking?

Only thing Mazda can tell me is it has a differnt transmitter. Only part that I can find different is the PCM.

The valet keys..

I talked to my service manager here at Dobbs Mazda in Memphis. He is going to a big regional meeting in Atlanta soon, and he said he would raise a little hell and try to get me an answer.

Hey...I know that guy..I'll bet he can sort this out

Hey...I know that guy..I'll bet he can sort this out
I talked to my service manager here at Dobbs Mazda in Memphis. He is going to a big regional meeting in Atlanta soon, and he said he would raise a little hell and try to get me an answer.

YES YES YES network network and we can get this done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

keep us updated guys, and thanks for working on this

Actually we are polluting Trussville's site with a problem we should be discussing in the Tech forum.

I'll post my findings there when we work this out.

sorry to bump this, but could you also find out if the '04 key will work in an '05 ignition? We've established everything but this, though this leads to another solution

sorry to bump this, but could you also find out if the '04 key will work in an '05 ignition? We've established everything but this, though this leads to another solution
Key will work but will not crank the car. It will NOT program.

The valet keys..
The key would be the same as last year. Not retractable.

I talked to my service manager here at Dobbs Mazda in Memphis. He is going to a big regional meeting in Atlanta soon, and he said he would raise a little hell and try to get me an answer.
Mazda engineers in the USA are working on this.

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=568761&postcount=4

Done deal

ok I see how he did it but the price he is selling it for seems way too low...also he is charging $35 to cut the keys? you can do it at walmart/home depot whatever for a few bucks

I'm going to wait for truss to test if clearing all three keys with the WDS then programming them all works

they can't program anything without the car being there anyway..that goes for the fob and the key

ok I see how he did it but the price he is selling it for seems way too low...also he is charging $35 to cut the keys? you can do it at walmart/home depot whatever for a few bucks

I'm going to wait for truss to test if clearing all three keys with the WDS then programming them all works

the $35 is to cut and program, most dealers charge a minimum of 1 hour. $35 is a great deal.

the $35 is to cut and program, most dealers charge a minimum of 1 hour. $35 is a great deal.


They can't program the key unless the car is there with ALL the keys that will be used after the programming. Once the security access is gined the tech must take the outcode to the PATs system and aquire a incode from Mz's site.

Once the system is accessed only the keys on hand will start the car.

This feature allows a lost key to be "disabled"

I think thats how it works.