View Full Version : A friend of mine was killed by his son


Speed-ER doc
08-29-2004, 10:17 AM
I'm not surprised it made the national news, what a bizarre story.

HOUSTON, Texas (AP) -- A 10-year-old boy fatally shot his physician father after the man arrived to pick him up for a weekend visit, authorities said.

Rick James Lohstroh, 41, was struck several times Friday as he sat in his sport utility vehicle, said Sgt. B.E. Williams of the Harris County Sheriff's Department.

The boy, using his mother's gun, fired through the back seat before getting out of the vehicle and continuing to shoot, Williams said. Lohstroh, a doctor at the University of Texas Medical Branch, died on the way to a hospital.

The shooting happened outside the home where the boy lived with his mother and 7-year-old brother, who were inside at the time, Williams said. Lohstroh and the boy's mother shared custody of the children.

Harris County Sheriff's Deputy Jeff Dixie would not discuss the boy's whereabouts or charges.

Authorities said they had been called to the home before in an ongoing family dispute.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Southwest/08/28/father.killed.ap/index.html

Another link (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2766529) with more details.

I used to work with Rick. He was a fantastic doc. I was watching the story on the TV news Saturday morning thinking how awful the story was, without realizing who was killed. Then they showed his picture, and I freaked.

Usually when someone dies, you think how terrible for his wife and kids...in this case, you can't. She must have hated him after the divorce, since she raised questions in the proceedings about him sexually abusing the kids (this was determined to be a false accusation, and he got joint custody). Every time he would pick them up, there was conflict, according to the police. I wonder if they are even going to be at the funeral. I hope his parents are still around, otherwise he might not even have a funeral. Just a terrrible situation all around.

Lock up your guns, folks.

nosubstitutec4s
08-29-2004, 10:30 AM
fantastic doctor or not, i have no sympathy for a person who abuses his children. his son didnt decide to kill him because his daddy was the bestest daddy in the world. his son killed him probably because there was some foul play on the fathers part towards either that little boy, his younger brother, or his mother that he personally witnessed. i know that if i ever saw anyone hurting any member of my family, i would make it my business to see that they "understood" how i felt about it.

you can figure out what understand means for yourself.

fluque
08-29-2004, 10:34 AM
that's an awful story...

nosubstitutec4s
08-29-2004, 10:35 AM
just a side note. the guy who was killed, his first and middle name are

Rick James.


IM Rick James, bitch. hmm, its funny how they all seem to be croaking

Speed-ER doc
08-29-2004, 10:40 AM
The abuse was a false accusation by a bitter divorced wife, according to the judge in the case. She said she had never seen a worse case of false accusation. That is in the second link.

I think the ex-wife turned the kids against him, but of course we may never know the truth. Many kids have anger at the father after a divorce.

The above post is pretty insensitive, you should grow up a bit kid.

Morgan
08-29-2004, 10:42 AM
^^has no heart....

That really sucks. I suppose it's a good thing you wern't working the ER the night of it..or was he at a different hospital? I couldn't imagin being an ER doc and seeing people i know come in :( sorry about that...it's so sad!

wakeech
08-29-2004, 10:45 AM
...yeah, funny.

idiot.

tragic story, i do hope that this doesn't get whipped up into some kind of stupid media frenzy where the people involved get publicly humiliated, lots of 'experts' talk out their rears, and nothing changes as a result. people will blame society or guns, people will blame the father, people will blame the mother, people may even blame video games or something for corrupting the ten year old. it doesn't really matter who thinks what, and matters a whole lot more that justice is served in such a bizarre case. i really do hate the institution of divorce, the friggin' industry that it has become. i'm not saying that its a wholly bad thing or that the only thing it does is create problems as i have divorced friends who really are much better off for it, but in far too many cases is resorted to when unnecessary and can create these really horrible situations where the two people involved will hate each other even more after the procedings.

i really feel horrible for this guy, i couldn't imagine someone who is partly me shooting me, literally, in the back. i wouldn't even know what to think in those last seconds of life, what could someone do to deserve that?

nosubstitutec4s
08-29-2004, 10:45 AM
no, the sexual abuse was a false accusation. i read where it says the judge said it was one of the worse cases of false accusation she had ever seen.

i realise that since you were friends with this guy that you would tend to side with him, but you have to realise that there is always something you dont know about. even if the father hadnt abused his children, any foul play towards their mother (which there was, documented several times by the police departments of 2 different counties) that would be reason to have anger against their father.


and im plenty grown up, pops.

poolsidenaz
08-29-2004, 10:49 AM
Absolutely devastating story :(

nosubstitutec4s
08-29-2004, 10:53 AM
i couldn't imagine someone who is partly me shooting me, literally, in the back. i wouldn't even know what to think in those last seconds of life, what could someone do to deserve that?

when someone is put in a situation when they are being abused by someone, be it a relative or not, they do whatever they have to do to protect themselves. if i were being abused, and the court system didnt help to protect me and keep me from my father, i would be forced to take matters into my own hands. i wouldnt want to do it, but i wouldnt have a choice. no one should be put in a situation like that.

Speed-ER doc
08-29-2004, 10:53 AM
Judges normally grant mothers primary custody and rarely give a father joint custody if there are believable allegations of sexual abuse, Collins said.

"If you're (accused of) sexual assault, and the judge thinks it is credible, that (joint custody) doesn't happen," Collins said.

Geisler's own mother testified against her in the divorce proceedings, Collins said.

"This was one of the worst cases I've seen in terms of false allegations," she said.

If he did abuse the kid, he deserved to be punished, but not killed. If the mom coached the kid, she needs to be punished to the max. She should and definitely will be punished for having a gun accessible to a minor who commits murder with it.

She bought the gun only a month ago from what I heard.......

brillo
08-29-2004, 10:55 AM
Man, I read about that, I'm really sorry for you and their whole family.....its absolutely horrible. I hope your able to help the family though this, for your sake as well as theirs.

nosubstitutec4s
08-29-2004, 10:58 AM
well if the mother was the one influencing the children, the she is absolutly at fault and i take back everything i said. it would truly be a sad case and a tragedy for you, his friends, and whats left of his family.

of corse, maybe the mother bought the gun for legitamate self protection.

cgrx
08-29-2004, 10:58 AM
freaking insane !

Speed-ER doc
08-29-2004, 11:03 AM
Thaks for the kind words, but really, I don't know if there is any of his family that needs any support, that is what is weird. His wife certainly won't miss him. The kid who shot him isn't gonna miss him, although he has to live with what he did for the rest of his life. I feel bad for the younger kid, I guess, but he may feel the same way as the other sibling.

I don't know if his parents are alive. I might go to the funeral (if there is one). Who is going to set up the funeral arrangements I wonder? I guess his girlfriend, if they were close enough, or his parents if still alive.

Elara
08-29-2004, 11:06 AM
I saw this and thought it was one of the saddest things I've ever seen- I admit, I was kinda wondering about possible abuse, but you've pretty much cleared that up Speed-ER Doc. I'm sorry that this happened to a friend of yours.

D MENAC 7
08-29-2004, 11:06 AM
If he did abuse the kid, he deserved to be punished, but not killed. If the mom coached the kid, she needs to be punished to the max. She should and definitely will be punished for having a gun accessible to a minor who commits murder with it.

She bought the gun only a month ago from what I heard.......Doesn't matter when she bought the gun, the thing is, she made it available. No matter what happened, no matter if she coached him or not, she should be punnished for allowing a child of any age to have access to a gun.

Those children should be removed from her custody and placed with a relative and she should be charged with aiding in a manslaughter. I don't care if any abuse made the kid think he was doing the right thing, he should have been seeing someone to help him get over his anger issues and the Father should have been in counseling and any visitations should have been supervised if there were any substance to any allegations of such.

I support the right to buy firearms but I do not support anyone who allows this deadly force to be obtainable by children, that gun should have been locked up, we all know that no matter what the circumstances.

My condolences go out to you, Doc, and his family.

Air Force RX8
08-29-2004, 12:10 PM
This story has many sad levels. The worst of which is the lasting effects this will have on those children. For the child to have pulled the trigger there was someone or something that made him feel that this was the right thing to do. We will never know all of the details surrounding this father being murdered by his own child. If the custody exchanges were so hateful and problematic then the father should have made arrangements with the local law enforcement agency to supervise the pick-ups and drop-offs.

This (using the term loosely) mother should lose parental rights and be forced to undergo psych eval. Given what I have read it is my opinion, again this is MY OPINION, there is enough evidence to support that the mother brainwashed this child into believing what she wanted him to believe about his father and she convinced this boy to murder his father. If this were not the case then why was the other boy not getting into the vehicle?

Either way the biggest tragedy here was that these two adults could not get along even after divorce for the good of their two boys. These two boys are the victims for certain. It is sad that this man had to lose his life over the parents' issues.

My condolences Doc for the loss of your friend.

Spazm
08-29-2004, 04:07 PM
Given what I have read it is my opinion, again this is MY OPINION, there is enough evidence to support that the mother brainwashed this child into believing what she wanted him to believe about his father and she convinced this boy to murder his father. If this were not the case then why was the other boy not getting into the vehicle?

At first, I would say that would be the most extreme case. However, when the article states that the boy exited the vehicle, and CONTINUED TO FIRE, you have to wonder.

bowman
08-29-2004, 04:51 PM
I read the story early this morning and thought that it was tragic. How ironic that I come here and find someone who knew the victim. The Internet....


How does a 10 year old deal with killing his father? No 10 yr old has the coping skills for that (how many 30 yr olds, for that matter?).

Outlaws eXtreme
08-29-2004, 05:48 PM
You write your comments as if you were there looking at their lives each and every day. You write your comments as if you have the right to judge another human being of what is right and what is wrong. Apperently you don't do anything that would be constituted as morally unacceptable? You are just the model citizen of society right?

In the end it is just tragic...

fantastic doctor or not, i have no sympathy for a person who abuses his children. his son didnt decide to kill him because his daddy was the bestest daddy in the world. his son killed him probably because there was some foul play on the fathers part towards either that little boy, his younger brother, or his mother that he personally witnessed. i know that if i ever saw anyone hurting any member of my family, i would make it my business to see that they "understood" how i felt about it.

you can figure out what understand means for yourself.

Aratinga
08-29-2004, 06:20 PM
I cannot imagine why a ten-year-old boy would detest his own father enough to shoot him several times in the back unless there was some sort of abuse involved -- sorry, Doc. The father had to have contributed to his son's hatred of him in some way; a kid's not going to slaughter a good loving dad just because mommy tells him to. I'm not implying there was sexual abuse, necessarily... in one of the news stories it mentions that the dad would often belittle his kids and call them names. Not that name-calling justifies homicide, of course; but to a child, that kind of derision and mocking hurts as much as a physical beating. And I'll bet this little boy witnessed several incidents of physical and/or verbal and emotional abuse of his mother by this man. Put yourself in that boy's position and imagine the rage and impotence he would feel, watching his mother being hurt and with no power to stop it.

Kids being dragged through the disintegration of their families during a divorce are placed under tremendous stress. It sounds like this dad was no angel during the breakup, and I'm sure the boy witnessed enough unpleasant interplay between his parents that he decided to take extreme measures to end it. Just the fact that a ten-year-old would have access to a handgun and ammo, and would have the knowledge to load and fire it into his own dad, sickens me. Thank you NRA, violent movies and videogames, and the Second Amendment.

My condolences to you and your co-workers who knew the victim, Doc. But please remember that just because he was a good guy at work doesn't mean he couldn't have been an SOB ba$+ard at home to his own family.

What a horrible outcome to a bad situation all around.

Sky88
08-29-2004, 07:25 PM
How tragic.
No matter what happened between the two parents. NO KIDS should have any access to a firearm period. The mother should be held accountable (to what extend still to be determined) since she is the one who purchased and has legal possession of the gun. That 10 years kid is going to messed up once he grows up and realize what he had done. Shame on the mother for allegedly ruining two lives... (her ex-husband and her son)

How does a 10 years old kid plans on killing his father no matter how much he hates him?
Shouldn't the mother intervene to the slight sign of her children having any such possible thoughts? (no matter how much she hates her ex-husband)
and lastly how does a 10 years old kid have access to a gun? unless the parents are extremely irresponsibly, or someone somewhere something has been previously planned.

When adding all these hypothesis, something seems really wrong. I would look at the mother first in this case.

My condolences to you Doc, and any relatives of the family.

Speed-ER doc
08-29-2004, 07:41 PM
I can't say that I knew what went on in that house. I haven't even talked to the guy in 5 years. He wasn't a big boasting Texan kind of guy, he was the skinny bookworm (nerd) who flew radio-controlled helicopters. I enjoyed being his friend and colleague, and I would have trusted my life to his medical care, and there are not many I would say that about.

Abuse can occur in any household, and it takes many forms. It really doesn't matter at this point what happened, I guess. It's all over now. I think he was abused by the angry wife during and after the bitter divorce.

mpt_yellowRX8
08-29-2004, 08:03 PM
Sorry to hear about your friend Doc.

According to the case presented I tend to think that the father was not abusive. Parents have much power over their children when they are only ten and it would not surprise me if the mother brainwashed the kid. There have been plenty cases where grownups have been brainwashed to kill, even take their own lives(they were going to ride the comet to heaven, etc). I don't doubt that the mother had a plan one bit.

I did a report in college about crime and found some interesting figures regarding crime in areas where guns were required by city ordinance to be in the home. I believe I am remembering correctly when I state these figures so here goes. In 99% of these areas the murder rate dropped by 25-40% and the total crime rate dropped by 7-23%. Not that I like the idea of everyone running around with guns, especially kids, but I thought that those numbers were interesting. They make gun cabinets that lock and trigger locks to keep this stuff from happening. I think that everyone that has a gun in their home should go to a handgun safety course also, or at least a type of hunter safety course.

irish8
08-29-2004, 08:09 PM
sorry doc.

TODreamer
08-29-2004, 08:18 PM
But please remember that just because he was a good guy at work doesn't mean he couldn't have been an SOB ba$+ard at home to his own family.

What a horrible outcome to a bad situation all around.


Very true.

This happened not 2 blocks from my office this Wednesday past. An abusive "husband" who everyone thought was such a great guy, went over the edge and a Toronto ETF sniper had to slatter his brains infront of half of downtown Toronto..... very bad story

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/08/25/hostage_union040825.html

This guy beat and terrorized his wife and 2 kids for 18years and wnt ballistic when she finally found the courage to divorce him

red_rx8_red_int
08-29-2004, 09:54 PM
no, the sexual abuse was a false accusation. i read where it says the judge said it was one of the worse cases of false accusation she had ever seen.

i realise that since you were friends with this guy that you would tend to side with him, but you have to realise that there is always something you dont know about. even if the father hadnt abused his children, any foul play towards their mother (which there was, documented several times by the police departments of 2 different counties) that would be reason to have anger against their father.


and im plenty grown up, pops.

It wasn't the Judge that said the "it was one of the worse cases of false accusation she had ever seen", it was the Doc's lawyer. She also said "police found no evidence to support the claims". To me this is still an open question. That aside, there may have been no abuse, and the mother just brain washed the kid into hating his father. Or the kid may have had some sort of mental problem. We'll never know. My condolences to you Speed-ER doc for your loss.

Speed-ER doc
08-30-2004, 09:30 AM
I just heard on the radio that in Texas, a 10 year old can be tried for murder, and receive up to 40 years in prison. The sentence is served in Juvenile Detention (where he is being held now) until age 18, and after 18 he could be moved to the TDC (Texas Department of Corrections = prison) to serve the rest of his sentence.

I haven't heard the possible sentences for the mother, if she is charged with making a firearm available to a minor.

93rdcurrent
08-30-2004, 02:10 PM
no, the sexual abuse was a false accusation. i read where it says the judge said it was one of the worse cases of false accusation she had ever seen.

i realise that since you were friends with this guy that you would tend to side with him, but you have to realise that there is always something you dont know about. even if the father hadnt abused his children, any foul play towards their mother (which there was, documented several times by the police departments of 2 different counties) that would be reason to have anger against their father.


and im plenty grown up, pops.

Divorce cases bring out the worst in many people and when it comes to custody battles there are more attempted murders than for just about any other reason. I will have to say that ER Doc knew this gentleman better than any of the rest of us and probably has a better idea than we do about what was going on. My brother who has never harmed a kid in his life had his wife setting "ideas" into their 2 year olds head about how "daddy beats me when he gives me a bath" and other such BS. I instructed him to be proactive and call CPS regarding this issue before she did to cut her off. I could go into further detail here but I will say that not every accusation of abuse is legitimate. We reserve that for Micheal Jackson only :D .

Sorry to hear about your friend ER Doc. I only hope that the mother didn't manipulate this poor kid into doing this for her and I hope that there is some way for a 10 year old kid to come to grips with this in the future. Not an easy way to start your life if you ask me.

Photic
08-30-2004, 04:10 PM
Horrible stuff, I read about that story and I'm sorry to hear it was a friend of yours.

I have personally known a family where the mother never did anything wrong to her children and was always supportive of them, at the time of her divorce the father who was possibly the most manipulative person I have ever met, has turned his son against his mother, they haven't spoken in 7 years. Even though it has taken him a couple extra years, has now managed to turn her youngest daughter against her as well.

A parent's emotions have great effects on thier children, if this woman who's son killed the father was a class-a nut job (like it sounds) then I wouldn't rule out that it could have been a case where she had convinced her child that his father was an evil person or had done evil things to her, or even could have convinced an impressionable child that he was sexually abused when he wasn't, and drove the him into thinking that he was protecting his mother.

Speed-ER doc
08-30-2004, 04:21 PM
I was hoping that he died quickly (or at least lost consciousness) before he knew what happened to him, but I spoke with one of our police officers (HPD) who said that Rick got out of the car and tried to run away before collapsing in the street. :(

What a nightmare.

Again, thanks for the kind words. I can't stop thinking about it. One of my nurses who also used to work with Rick had heard about the case, but didn't realize it was him. When I told him who it was, he freaked too. He had been thinking there was probably abuse involved until he found out who it was, and then agreed it is pretty unlikely. Not impossible, obviously, but unlikely.

Of course, you can work with someone every day, and not really know what their life at home is like.

MadRonin
08-30-2004, 04:24 PM
Just the fact that a ten-year-old would have access to a handgun and ammo, and would have the knowledge to load and fire it into his own dad, sickens me. Thank you NRA, violent movies and videogames, and the Second Amendment. When I was ten years old, I had known how load, shoot, and clean a firearm for four years. I grew up watching horror movies, action flicks, porn, etc. I had plenty of violent games for my computer growing-up, and a lot of my friends were criminals.

I despised my father when I was ten. At no point in time did I consider shooting him in the back. The reason? In his own twisted way he instilled values in me. Values which my grandfather taught him and my uncle. He may have been quick with the back of his hand or fist, but he taught me to respect people and life, even if he didn't respect mine or my sister's.

I think it's all about environment and how parents raise their children. My father did not keep a tight leash on me. I roamed wherever I wanted, stayed out till all hours of the night, but I didn't spend my time raising hell. I was taught right from wrong. So many children these days are not.

Another big problem: parents are afraid to discipline their children for fear of retribution from Child Services or other such places. While I don't condone the type of discipline my father used on my sister and me, I do not see a problem with spanking. If done early enough, and for the right situations it can be a very effective deterrent.

People have to start taking responsibility for their own actions. That child should never have had access to his mother's gun, whether he knew how to use it or not. The mother should be held responsible for that. What would drive a child to murder? There were most likely warning signs, but they were never noticed. People's lives are ruined because they are too selfish to worry about anyone or anything but themselves. Guns are not to blame. It rests soley with the mother and father.

Doc, sorry about your friend.

Speed-ER doc
08-30-2004, 04:37 PM
Yeah, I was hunting and shooting since age six too. There is some benefit in teaching a responsible child gun use and safety at an early age. Unsupervised access is completely irresponsible of course.

The local paper just said that he died in his vehicle, so maybe it was quick.

Here is a picture of Rick.

eskimo
08-30-2004, 05:09 PM
sorry Doc.

raji
08-31-2004, 12:41 PM
i've been reading as much of this thread as i can (although i had to skip some posts, since many of them were repetitive) and i'm finding the whole story painfully frustrating and even angering...

I am divorced and have one little boy from my previous marriage. My ex-wife is a real asshole. Everyone who has met her (who isn't her friend and is therefore almost exactly like her) has agreed with me on this. She is CONSTANTLY making false accusations!!!

One time earlier this year she came to my door to confront me and brought a friend along. She didn't know my current wife was with me so she assumed that her testimony and that of her friend's would stand since i was alone. I didn't answer the door, didn't say a word, even called 911 when i realized she wasn't planning on leaving. 5 days later, while i was once again struggling to get her to let me see my son like i'm supposed to, she tells me that i "threatened to kill her" when she came to confront me... WHAT THE FUCKING HELL???? This has had some fairly far-reaching consequences, all of which i couldn't have expected since on my end, i knew i hadn't done anything!!! Since then i have read the police report and have been absolutely dumb-founded at the accusations she made about that night...

The biggest things she has done besides that incident was use my own son against me. "If you love your son, you'll :: give me a few thousand extra bucks besides child support/let me be your wife again/leave your current wife/etc". She has shaved his head in a mohawk and spiked/gelled it as a surprise for my visitation to piss me off, she has tried to convince me that my son didn't love me anymore and didn't remember me, she has insisted on the exchange involving me so she could confront me or invent new lies, etc. At one point she even invented an internet personality (with pics, hobbies, everything) to try and convince me that going back with the real her was the right thing to do...

to make a long story short, she will do ANYTHING to get back at me!!

The list goes on and on so i'll spare everyone the details, but my point is that there are some really psychotic fucking nutjobs out there that will invent and manipulate anyone and everyone in sight for their wants to be met. A mother convincing her 10 year old son to shoot daddy sounds very VERY plausible to me and even a little eery when i think of my own situation. And now the kid is gonna spend most of his life in prison while the mother doesn't get so much as a scratch?? FUCK that!!!

If there was substantial abuse, it would have been documented very heavily over the years and the government may have stepped in eventually too. Instead, all you have is a compulsive liar for a mother, a dead father who shouldn't have been and a kid whose life is completely ruined.

sorry doc for your loss, and sorry everyone for the rant but something really stinks...

Aratinga
08-31-2004, 01:01 PM
Raji, my sister is married to a guy with an ex-wife like yours. They've had to get restraining orders, go to multiple court appearances, and have their lives and their kids' lives substantially screwed with all because of the ex-wife making it her life's work to f**k with her ex-husband. When you combine insanity with vindictiveness it's a dangerous mix.

But I also have a very good friend, a doctor, who is witnessing his ex-practice-partner's bitter divorce from both sides. My friend sees his ex-partner at the hospital and hears from him about what a "monster" the partner's wife is being throughout the divorce. All the co-workers at the hospital think the wife is a first class bi+ch. However, my friend is currently DATING the partner's wife, so he gets to hear and see her side of the story as well. Guess who the real a$$hole is? Yep -- the "nice" physician husband. He's treating his wife and daughters like $hi+ and threatening to leave them penniless and in the streets.

Divorces are just so all-around nasty that I can guarantee you I'll never remarry. They truly do bring out the worst in people.

Lschiavo
08-31-2004, 01:10 PM
It does not surprise since it happened in Texas, US. I lived down there for a few years and even the ederly women had a shotgun under their pillow. :eek:

MadRonin
08-31-2004, 01:20 PM
It does not surprise since it happened in Texas, US. I lived down there for a few years and even the ederly women had a shotgun under their pillow. :eek:
Owning a gun is not the problem. The fact that the child had access to the gun and the way they were raised/brainwashed is. Texas has nothing to do with this, either. This could have (and has) happened ANYWHERE. :rolleyes:

raji
08-31-2004, 01:28 PM
Aratinga, you do make a good point. I didn't mean to label all women as being manipulative, i just happen to have made a massive mistake with the first one. I've taken a big chance and re-married and the difference is so great that i feel comfortable in my choice. I can't see into the future, but still, i think i did good the second time around. :)

but getting back to the subject, you do make a good point. The percentage of abusive men is quite possibly higher than that of women being like my ex-wife or other such women... it just seems to me from the story in the original post that something was very fishy... children shoot people either because they go in on it in groups (countless examples in LA) because it's "cool", have been heavily abused and are somewhat deranged as a result (some kids just develop mental disorders too without any abuse), or have been convinced to do it by someone else, be it an adult or another child their age...

The kid didn't go in on it as a group, abuse would have been documented by someone and there is no mental history the kid is linked to... although it's possible for it to have gone somewhat unnoticed. So to me it boils down to one of 2 things. Either the kid developped some mental disease or he was convinced by his mother to do it (for "love", kinda like my ex-wife).

in the end though, all we can do is speculate... it just makes me wonder... how far would my ex-wife go?... how messed up will my kid end up being?... :(

i'm sorry to hear that you've completely discarded marriage as an option. Did you recently divorce? kids involved?

rotarygod
09-01-2004, 02:38 AM
IM Rick James, bitch. hmm, its funny how they all seem to be croaking

That wasn't even funny when that no talent ass clown Dave Chapelle said it.

bluesunlion
09-01-2004, 02:39 PM
It does not surprise since it happened in Texas, US. I lived down there for a few years and even the ederly women had a shotgun under their pillow. :eek:



Yeah... um. ok.

I live in Texas. I own a gun. Somehow, I've managed to never go nuts and shoot anyone.

Thanks captain generalization!

Speed-ER doc
09-02-2004, 07:50 AM
Here is an update....

Mother disputes report she made death threat
She says she 'was just joking,' then her husband made a call to 911

By KEVIN MORAN and RUTH RENDON
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle

The mother of a 10-year-old boy who police say shot his father to death disputed a police report that she herself threatened to kill him.

"It wasn't the way it came out in the police reports," Deborah Geisler said Wednesday of an Oct. 12, 2001, argument during which her then-husband, Dr. Rick Lohstroh, told a 911 operator she'd threatened to give him a deadly injection of insulin while he slept.

"I was just joking with him," said Geisler.

She declined to go into detail about the incident but said she did not threaten to kill Lohstroh, who died Friday after his son allegedly shot him from the back seat of his car outside Geisler's west Harris County home.

Geisler, a nurse who is diabetic, said Lohstroh first raised the subject of her using insulin to harm him.

"He started it and I joked back with him," she said. "Then he picked up the phone."


Dispatcher's notes
The dispatcher who took the call made notes of the complaint:

"Caller is concerned because his wife threatened to inject insulin into him while he was asleep," the dispatcher wrote in Friendswood police records. "While talking to caller, wife got on the extension phone and a verbal argument ensued."

Police who responded to the call arrested Geisler on a misdemeanor assault charge.

Details on the disposition of the case were not available late Wednesday.


Police called often
The incident was one of many arguments that resulted in police responding to calls from the couple's homes in Galveston and Friendswood since they were married in June 1989. They separated in January 2002 and were divorced in May 2003.

Geisler said she visited with her son Tuesday at the Harris County juvenile detention center. Visits by any one individual are limited to twice a week, she said.

Geisler said friends and family will alternate visits.

"We'll have a schedule so that he gets visitation every day," she said.

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raji
09-02-2004, 11:21 AM
that's so sad... and it brings so many memories of my ex-'s stupidity and schemes. Speaking of which, i just caught her in another lie this morning. People like that Geisler chick shouldn't be trusted... ever... the more i read, the more convinced i become that she was completely responsible...

once again doc, sorry for your loss man...

93rdcurrent
09-02-2004, 01:06 PM
Sounds like she was the agressor. I am very sorry to hear about this. I hope the young boy is getting good legal council. If his mother is to blame for the incident then I hope that they are able to get to the bottom of it and that she faces charges.