I hope that after spending the last 6 months researching the rx8 i have not placed a too high expectation on the car ,Ihave read everybit of information i can get my hands on ,whilst i am certain that the rx8 will not dissapoint me there is allways that 1% of doubt ..

After you lock & load, just pull the trigger. Buy the car already. You will always have some minor degree of doubt, though I have none myself.

I have seen and played with it. The only thing I did'nt do is drive it. I reved it and heard the sound system. I too have been researching the 8 for 6months or so. I was not disappointed at all. If anything I was excited and even more in love with it after I saw it. You won't be disapointed.

if its your car, ull love it... i mean maybe after a few months of driving it u may find it doesnt meet all ur expectations, but wat car under 50K really does? eventually ull find some flaws in it

just dont think its gonna be the best car in the world, and ure fine

Originally posted by Eternal
if its your car, ull love it... i mean maybe after a few months of driving it u may find it doesnt meet all ur expectations, but wat car under 50K really does? eventually ull find some flaws in

I've got news for you - aside from the fact that wacky net abbreviations are annoying. :D

If you pay over $50K, your car won't meet all your expectations, either. One of the cars I've been in with the most annoying interior squeaks and rattles was a 2003 Porsche Boxster S - MSRP $63K. There have been fewer interior rattles in most rental Fords I've had from Hertz...

thanks for pointing out that you're not fond of the abbreviations. though im sure many people here dont care much about grammer and spelling

my point was that a car under 50K is not going to meet your expectations. (im sure an m5 will meet more expectations than a WRX, or a G35, or rx8, or 350z) as you get higher in the price range, it will begin to get closer but no car will really be perfect. eventually youll be able to find something wrong with it

Originally posted by Eternal
thanks for pointing out that you're not fond of the abbreviations. though im sure many people here dont care much about grammer and spelling



actually i have been called to carpet for various spelling and grammar infractions on this board. and rightly so, some were just bad. and those abreviations are a little annoying!:)

my point was that a car under 50K is not going to meet your expectations. Maybe not HIS expectations with a bottom-less wallet. :D
Just like buying a big screen plasma, house, etc. You want the bells and whistles it'll cost you. First year depreciation is a key factor, especially if you are dissatisfied and want to off-load any goods.

hopefully you were joking about you being the regulator of spelling and grammer because having a moderator for such a task would really be pointless.

i wasn't saying that i go around modding people for poor grammar i was refuting your statement:



though im sure many people here dont care much about grammer and spelling

by noting (in a self deprecating way) that you were not the first person to have their poor grammar or spelling pointed out to them on this board.

Originally posted by Eternal
hopefully you were joking about you being the regulator of spelling and grammer because having a moderator for such a task would really be pointless.

Unless, of course, you had a moderator who already did so for a living;) !

But as Zoom44 said, no one moderates the boards for spelling- god knows all of us make idiotic spelling mistakes-it's just that some of us don't translate netspeak very well or fast, and it is a bit of a chore to read.

well i dont see how a person would have a hard time realizing that u = you and wat = what

everything else in that msg didnt need to be deciphered (unless someone wanted to be a smartass)

at least i didnt do one of those "gangsta" posts where ebonics is thrown in... now THATS hard to understand

LOL:D

What iz gangsta speak? Something like dis here?
you know das right!
:D

nAh Yo B, DiZ b HoW wE rOlL iN dA gAnGsTa TaLk

NaH mEaN?

Originally posted by Eternal
my point was that a car under 50K is not going to meet your expectations. (im sure an m5 will meet more expectations than a WRX, or a G35, or rx8, or 350z) as you get higher in the price range, it will begin to get closer but no car will really be perfect
Then again I know of a few Boxster and M3 owners who are looking to dump their cars for RX8s as the additional ownership costs bring you literally nothing extra as far as quality control is concerned - both Boxsters and M3s are known for occasional spectacular engine failures - and interior/trim issues on either are notably sub-par compared to most Japanese makes.

The RX8 isn't going to handle as well as a Boxster or M3 without some serious suspension work, but for 99% of people who just want a really cool, well-handling car that will be a daily driver as well as a weekend tourer and that who won't necessarily track their vehicle, the RX8 will be more than "good enough" at around 1/3 to 1/2 the cost, not to mention the 15K service won't be $700...

what costs? bmw just switched to a 4yr full free maint. plan if im not mistaken. so i dont see how u wud even pay a single dime for the 15k service

the engine problems u mentioned regardin the m3s were in the 2001 model i believe (issue has been fixed from what ive heard and have yet to hear about more failures on the newer models)
and right now we have no idea of how the renesis will do once its on the road for a long period of time.

but i wud even be so bold to say that if the price were the same for the rx8 and the m3, (conservative number) 80% wud be in the m3 without thinking twice

and the interior materials of german cars are definitely superior to most japanese cars... unless u can find a 35K japanese car with the interior build and quality along with refinement of an audi a4 (then ill shut up)

and just to finish it off... u said m3 and boxter people are willing to step down due to the ownership costs... not cuz they really want to lose their rides cuz they dont like them. the mazda rx8 wud just be a cheaper alternative for their weekend car

Originally posted by Eternal
nAh Yo B, DiZ b HoW wE rOlL iN dA gAnGsTa TaLk

NaH mEaN?

wOrD... i have no idea how anyone can type ANYTHING at that speed... *shift**unshift**shift*unshift* :eek:

Sorry - I won't quote due to the net abbreviations. ;)

BMW may have free maintenance but it still has an annoying number of failures for a car in its price range. The engine failures do continue, though at a lower pace. BMW did extend the engine warranty to 6 years/100,000 miles to compensate, but that also shows they really don't have a handle on what caused the failures as of yet.

Porsche does NOT have free maintenance, and the 10K service is usually around $600K, the 30K around $1000. Parts are horrendously expensive, and the engines have been known to have occasional problems with more than one dying leaving 9 quarts of Mobil 1 on the garage floor.

IMHO, having owned several Audis a lot of the myths about German cars are just that - all my Audis have had more internal squeaks and rattles than even my cheapest Japanese cars. Granted, they LOOK to be higher quality inside - but at the same time I'd compare maintenance records for an Audi against those for a Lexus any day. And the treatment you'll recieve from the Lexus dealer as opposed to the Audi dealer is like night and day.

Now, getting back to Mazda and the RX8, I will defend my position and the comment about higher priced cars; spending more on a car doesn't always get you "more" or "higher quality," especially when going up the Audi, BMW or Porsche product lines.

Spend $50K at your Lexus dealer and you'll have a nearly bulletproof but largely joyless luxoboat.

Spend $50K at your BMW dealer and you'll have a fun sports car but will likely have to stop by every few months to have some stupid little thing or another fixed.

Just like to register my extreme irritation at the abbreviations also.... So that is at least two of us who it drives nuts !

Same goes for mobile phone text messaging abbreviations. AGGHHH.

Interestingly enough , this style of writing seems to be performed by the younger net users... Check out a 'Gamecube' or 'Playstation2' forum for proof... :)

I'm just wondering why it's so hard to just type those extra couple letters. I could see if the typist was missing a few fingers or maybe had to type with his tongue. For a slow typist, adding those 15 extra letters to make those post legible would take about 3 seconds. In fact, it probably took longer to think of ways to type less letters than it would (wud) to just spell the outright.

I think it's a sign of pure laziness...

~Jim

Originally posted by yaksplat
I'm just wondering why it's so hard to just type those extra couple letters. I could see if the typist was missing a few fingers or maybe had to type with his tongue. For a slow typist, adding those 15 extra letters to make those post legible would take about 3 seconds. In fact, it probably took longer to think of ways to type less letters than it would (wud) to just spell the outright.

I think it's a sign of pure laziness...

~Jim

I'm not sure that it is laziness. I think that it is a habit picked up from some non-typists in chat rooms where they must be able to keep up with the pace of a conversation. After that it is almost inevitable that the kidz will pick up on it as a new kewl thing. Note that some spellings like "girlz" contain no fewer letterz.

To me it sounds like a printed version of the poor spoken English in common contemporary usage.

Funny thing though is that I can almost always type faster in a chat than a person that uses abbreviations and no punctuation/capitalization. In fact, I often have time to go to meriam-webster.com to check spelling and word usage.

P.S. Looking forward to seeing "Malibu Outlaw"
:D

Porsche does NOT have free maintenance, and the 10K service is usually around $600K


$600K for the 10K miles maintenance? Damn that's an expensive car. (Just kidding, just kidding.)


As far as I'm concerned, if a car costs over $50K it should come with a maid, a valet, and a driver. You can get a damn good car for $30K - including a $50K car that's only a few years old - and spend the rest of your money on vacation, retirement, or a Miata. :D

Originally posted by FamilyGuy

$600K for the 10K miles maintenance? Damn that's an expensive car. (Just kidding, just kidding.)

As far as I'm concerned, if a car costs over $50K it should come with a maid, a valet, and a driver. You can get a damn good car for $30K - including a $50K car that's only a few years old - and spend the rest of your money on vacation, retirement, or a Miata. :D

Whoops... :)

You're right, you can get used $50K+ cars for $30K, the problem is that they get very expensive if they're out of warranty at that point.

Personally, except for issues the magazines have already brought up like body roll I expect the RX8 to behave pretty well compared to the Boxster and especially the M3 (given its weight) and it will be that much more a deal given its relatively diminutive price tag...

I would actually expect the RX-8 to handle better than the BMW. The RX-8 is 400 to 500 lbs lighter than the M3, has a lower center of gravity and lower yaw inertia. It also has infinitely better front suspension geometry. The BMW still uses a strut type front suspension that they have to compensate for with excessively stiff springs and struts. I'm sorry but the BMW marketing guys still have not found a way to defy physics ;) The RX-8 has a slightly higher (10mm) center of gravity than the 3rd gen RX-7 and better overall suspension geometry. The RX-8 is going to be a great handling car.
Oh no, I said something negative about the M3. Flames away :D

Mike

That's what I meant when I referenced the M3. While it handles very well for what it is, it is also still a somewhat heavy sedan that's been brought into compliance by a good suspension package.

The RX8's relatively light construction should make it quite a nice handling vehicle, and it should do even better once the aftermarket comes out with some springs and struts to remove the body roll that was left in to make the 8's ride a bit more compliant so it would have a wider appeal...

Originally posted by Eternal
thanks for pointing out that you're not fond of the abbreviations. though im sure many people here dont care much about grammer and spelling

Okay, I'm sorry, but I am not going to let this go. I understand that the net is very informal, but people still reveal themselves to an extent through their writing.

Typing with all caps, ALTeRnAtInG caps, horrible spelling and grammar all reflect on the kind of person, and the level of EDUCATION. Sure, people might not care how you type, but shouldn't YOU care?

I, for one, wouldn't want to be associated with people lacking net etiquette.

Tolerance and respect are important, not whether you are computer savvy or can type well if you measure a persons intelligence by their typing or computer skills your falling way short of the mark .We all have different backgrounds ,nationalities ,religions, and skills .most computer [nerds ] without a computer for communicating cannot hold a decent conversation in the real world, yes i make spelling mistakes ,type with 1 finger HA HA HA sometimes type in CAPITALS but idont believe i am less intelligent than other i just have different abilities .

Originally posted by Lee Chun



I, for one, wouldn't want to be associated with people lacking net etiquette.

what does net etiquetee say about calling someone uninteligent for not typing well?
well i am sure there are other boards out there with other people who feel the same way. perhaps you could associate with them?