I think I invented a new rotary engine and I would like to contact Mazda.

I has two combustion chambers per rotor and big rotors so it can rev high and still work.

Any ideas what to do?

Im sorry but i think it has already been invented...

not like this.
The rotor is almost a circle, and the cyclinder where the rotor spins is a cricle.

erm, if you've really created somethng new, and your work isn't property of the company you work for by contract (as most engineer's are), then you'd want to patent your idea.

look around for some cheesmo "inventor's kit", but MOST IMPORTANTLY, make some drawings, and don't show anyone... then, see if you can build a "working" model (if it doesn't work becuase you suck at models, it doesn't count: you assume if it was built perfectly)...

THEN what you want to do is market it, but... well, do to that, you'd really have to understnad the advantages and disadvantages of the design: it may turn out that although it works, there aren't any inherent advantages, or the advantages come at too high a cost in a tradeoff...

anyhoo :) good luck.
patent it, but for now make drawings (don't show anyone until you patent it), and see if you can manage a working model.

:D if you wanna PM me about this, we can talk some more... or email me:

andrew_keech@hotmail.com

Don't PM Andrew! He'll steal your idea and make bazillions. :D

Originally posted by Toadman
Don't PM Andrew! He'll steal your idea and make bazillions. :D

exactly what i was thinking.;) get a lawyer to write up a non dislosure agreement and make anyone who you want to talk to about it sign the agreement before saying anything to them

AH....new rotary?hmmm....okay try putting that into ur new RX8 if it works and u get lots of power then contact me.....:D

Yes I want to make Bazillions of dollars.
But this Idea just popped into my head a few days ago, and I wanted to find out what you guys think.

Originally posted by Toadman
Don't PM Andrew! He'll steal your idea and make bazillions. :D

you guys are TERRIBLE!! i don't have the time or resources right now to spend my time stealing someone else's idea :p sheesh...

in all seriousness though, i'd never do something like that, especially if there's a record of you coming up with the idea first (liiiiiiike, this forum?? ;))
just wanted to know if there was anything i could do to help. just sounds neat. :)

Originally posted by wakeech
in all seriousness though, i'd never do something like that, especially if there's a record of you coming up with the idea first (liiiiiiike, this forum?? ;))

how bout I get that erased and you cut me in on a deal? ;) :p

now that's an idea..........hmm... if only I can factor myself into this bazillion dollar scam as well ...... hmmm :D

You guys are bad, now I can't even ask the man anything without him thinking I'm going to steal his idea.......

Anyway just wanted to know how do you propose is it going to be possible to have two combustion chamber and not ended up burning the fuel/air mixture twice since the Rotor is moving in one direct only.

Did someone call for a lawyer?

What's all this talk about patenting new concepts and non-disclosure agreements?

Mr. Keech had some pretty good advice. Document, document and document. You would be amazed at how important those dated lab notebooks are. Also, you'll have to see if your concept is truly original (there are a lot of patented ideas out there). You don't actually have to have a working model to get a patent. You can patent an "idea."

Wakeech, I think it is time to consider following up that economics major with a trip to law school. Join our ranks.... the many, the ridiculed, the overworked...

Originally posted by Salo
Wakeech, I think it is time to consider following up that economics major with a trip to law school. Join our ranks.... the many, the ridiculed, the overworked...

*strokes chin for a moment* are you serious?? maybe if my GPA were to magically jump... ;)

yeah, i'll be hitting the books with a vengance *dun dun duuuunn* and see if i can ace a course or five... law would be really cool... i s'pose that would be something to consider. :)

...oh, the only reason i suggested a working model was just so that you can make sure it works ;)

Originally posted by wakeech ...oh, the only reason i suggested a working model was just so that you can make sure it works ;)

The only reason I said that a model wasn't necessary is because it is possible to patent things that don't actually work. An actual working model, with the support of the requisite luminaries of the field of interest, would go a long way to providing validity for the concept though.


I wasn't being 100% serious about the law school thing, but I definitely think you should look into it. Patent law can be very boring at times but I like interacting with all of the engineers.

An outstanding GPA would help, but you can get into a decent school without a 4.0. One thing that graduate and professional schools look at is your progress and improvement. The Admissions Dept. like to see consistent improvement in marks. Also, doing well on your entrance exam will of course help.

This being said, if you have an abysmal GPA, you're going to have to make yourself stand out to garner an acceptance to a law school. I do have a hard time believing that your GPA is that bad though.

I know nothing about the Canadian law school system, so I'm probably of little help.

Salo,

Do you go to law school? I am sorry if this is common knowledge but I am new to the forum so I am a little out of the loop. The reason I am asking is that I am a 2L and thankfully(sp) have only one year left. It's not all that bad though, I mean I do live in New Orleans and get to see some wild stuff on an almost dalily basis. ;) For those of you who have been to New Orleans, you know what I mean :eek:

A large part of my life is dealing with intellectual property law. So far several of the responses to this thread have some misleading or incorrect information.

Firstly, no working model is needed to patent and idea. This practice was abandoned decades ago.

Secondly, inventions unrelated to the business of a company an engineer works for will not become property of the company. Of course, if you work for Ford and invent something related to automobiles it will likely be the property of Ford. However, you will receive at least the minimum $1 bonus for the invention.

Thirdly, an offer for sale of an invention before a patent application is filed will make any idea public domain and bar the inventor from being granted a patent. Therefore, if one has an idea but has not filed a patent application they cannot approach a company to see if they want to buy the concept.

Fourthly, if one relies on an attorney to do a patent search and to write the patent then they are doomed, doomed, doomed. Seldom can an attorney grasp all of the possible competitive ideas, working principles, etc of the technology that has been patented. A good patent must be written to cover all of the different ways to accomplish the same task. Otherwise, a good engineer can make small design changes and not be in violation of a current patent.

Finally, if you want to patent an idea and use an attorney you must expect to shell out $20,000 to file, respond to a challenge from the patent examiner (inevitable), and the PTO fees. If you do not do a patent search yourself that will cost another $2k-$5k. After 2-3 years of spending money and dealing with BS you will be granted your patent, if it is deemed patentable. For a patent as important as an automobile engine the patent will also need to be filed in many other countries besides your home country (Japan, USA, Canada, Europe as one patent). These international patents will cost another $5-7k each and must be filed within one year of being granted a patent in your home country. After all this has happened you will have to pay the patent juridictions "maintenance fees" every 3.5 years or so to keep the patent alive for its 20 years. These maintenance fees are about $3k per jursidiction. So for a new rotary engine patent you are looking at spending $35k-$45k in the first 12 months.

And no I am not an attorney just a guy who has filed for eight US patents plus their twins in many other countries. One rejected for the offer for sale before filing, one rejected on prior art for something totally unrelated, four granted and two in process.

Yeah, this idea is really something.
I have changed it from two combustion chambers to three.
And it uses my idea for new fuel injectors.
The injectors do more than inject, they shoot a pre mixed (in a piston next to the intake) fuel mixture so hard that there doesn't need to be a compression stroke.
Doesn't that sound cool.