The trucking company called and said between 11 AM and 1 PM tomorrow.
So if there was someone there today why wasn't there yesterday?

Got some more work done on the blower test bench today. Dana mounted the oil pump and relief valve, got pulleys and fitted one to the output shaft. Blower mounting bracketry is also done. Waiting for the oil tank and filter assemblys. Ready soon and will get pics.


sweet i can't wait :D i like pics

you know i have sent like 5 emails to grannetelli asking about a different maf for the rx8 and they have never even replied to say they even got my emails. then their mailbox started bouncing back my emails with a "mailbox is full" message. grrr.... that was like 6 months or more ago... i think abbid even got on them for me and he got no response either.

Ok ... so maybe they won't be so much help ... but maybe Richard can break through ... apparently (according to the first page video) the owner is an old Paxton SC man ... Richard could talk shop with him ... then bring up the MAF. Heh, heh, heh ;)

i really wish tye had got back to me. i had alot of research i was going thru on maf variances etc that i thoguth soemone there might want to help out with since there's a couple of thousand car owner s here that might be able to use a product from them.

Relevant thread info update: Richard's new yellow mobile supercharger test bench has arrived!

Sounds like RP and Dana are getting ready to show some stuff to a visitor :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Sounds like RP and Dana are getting ready to show some stuff to a visitor :)

Cheers,
Hymee.



We're hiding everything of interest from one particular visitor!!!!! :rolleyes: :D
Then we are getting him drunk and putting on a plane as baggage. :) :eek:

Bugger!

http://www.hymee.com/smilies/sm_bawling.gif

Cheers,
Hymee.

Sorry guys not to hijack this thread but....

Richard ,
Could you please check in on the S2ki.com thread about the AFSC.
We miss you :D
There have been some questions poised. I have attempted to relay appropriate info form this thread and/or attempted to answer the S2000 guys questions to the best of my abilities.
I would hate to misrepresent the AFCS or your good name.

Use the force, Richard. The forces on the dark side are very strong ;)

:D:D

Cheers,
Hymee.

Sorry guys not to hijack this thread but....

Richard ,
Could you please check in on the S2ki.com thread about the AFSC.
We miss you :D
There have been some questions poised. I have attempted to relay appropriate info form this thread and/or attempted to answer the S2000 guys questions to the best of my abilities.
I would hate to misrepresent the AFCS or your good name.


I have visited the thread and saw your comments. I didn't post as I thought you did a fine job. I will go there now and pay my social dues. I can tell them we are almost ready with our test bench but that is all the news fit to print. :)

Hey Richard, I found that book you mentioned on the other forum, it looks like they are back in print and offered by their own site. http://www.ricardo.com/ricardoStore/product.asp?numRecordPosition=1&P_ID=149

Hey Richard, I found that book you mentioned on the other forum, it looks like they are back in print and offered by their own site. http://www.ricardo.com/ricardoStore/product.asp?numRecordPosition=1&P_ID=149


That's good info. I'll check it out. If it's the right publication I recomend it to anyone interested in internal combustion engines. Spark or compression ignition. Even sleave valve engines.

Ok, I've ordered the new publication and when it arrives I'll scan it into my brain and let you know if it's the good stuff that you need to know. I'm sure it is but damned if I want to recomend a book that expensive and it not be worth anything to you guys. I'll take the risk for you.
It will probably take two or more weeks to get here from Limeyland by third class book courier. :rolleyes:

Use the force, Richard. The forces on the dark side are very strong ;)

:D:D

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hymee, I've been using the dark side for so long now that my wife and kids have long ago split for the other side. But old habits die hard and I can't seem to shake it. :eek:
Does this mean we can get along or not?? Is it best that we stay on our own side of the world? :confused:
You do remember old westerns where someone would say "this town isn't big enough for the both of us" And they'd have to shoot it out.
I've an extra single action Colt here you can borrow. If your faster then me you get to keep it, cos I'll be at the big racetrack in sky. :(

We just got the blower dyno spinning today. So who shows up? Hymee.
I caught him trying to sneek peeks at things. Here's a picture of him looking at secret detals of our blower. Then I caught him snaping photos of our computer screen while drawings were up. Don't know how much he got but I was gone long enough to steal one of his Cat Back exhausts from his rent a car.

Oh well tit for tat.

I can't get these damn pictures to fit so someone else will do it and post them.

Then the worst thing of all he lost my dog. I spent most of the day looking for him while Hymee was back at my shop studying computer engineering drawings.
Sneakybastard, how he thought that up I don't know.
Dog is still missing. :mad: Now I'm lonely without my dog Torque. :( Hymee's on a plane back to Australia with a big smile on his face. :D

And apparently a new dog!!

LOL

RP. Do you want me to create an area for you to host them on my server?

Andrew

We just got the blower dyno spinning today.....
:D

Does this mean that you're almost there RP??

I'm umming and ahhing about which direction I should go.. twin screw or AF...
Twin screwing always sounds appealing :D but AF sounds very exotic

Granatelli Motorsports has been around quite a long time in the domestic world... I had one of their replacement MAF's on an LS1 f-body I used to own... No bullshit 10hp at the wheels peak increase... but then again it was replacing GM parts...

I'm hoping we get to hear some positive news about the AFSC soon! I'm getting my 8 within the next month or 2 and as soon as I've gotten suspension and breaking taken care of some sort of FI is getting popped on!

Here are the pics of Richard's supercharger on the mobile dyno. In one of the shots you can see Hymee skulking with a camera..... :)

Cheers,
Gomez.

And apparently a new dog!!

LOL

I completly forgot. Hymee bought a big new suitcase before he left and when he was leaving the little wheels on it were cambered in so bad he was worried they might fail. Hymee before you unload that bag take some pictures of the wheels. If their still on that is. :)

THIS IS NO JOKE, THIS REALLY HAPPENED. On top of that I had to give him some Tyraps to get a strap back on another bag where the D ring failed.
He was packing some real weight. It never occured to me to check for Torque in there. ;)

Here are the pics of Richard's supercharger on the mobile dyno. In one of the shots you can see Hymee skulking with a camera..... :)

Cheers,
Gomez.


Is that all you got? There really was a couple of Hymee sneeking peeks.

I got one more.....a close up of Hymee with a silly grin on his face. I want to save it for the purposes of blackmail......if that's okay with you!

Gomez.

I'm confused as to what exactly I'm looking at...

You're hooking the renesis up to that? Or is it just a flow bench to measure the SC?

Please excuse my lack of engineering background...

It is the sized engine required to spin the S/C... j/k

It is his test stand. It is a variable speed "drive" to spin the blower. Then he can attach all his instrumentation and measure the characteritics at all RPMs to determine it's exact behaviour.

I got some pics to. Mez' - post the one of the exhaust on the s/c :) Just hide my ugly face ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

I'm confused as to what exactly I'm looking at...

You're hooking the renesis up to that? Or is it just a flow bench to measure the SC?

Please excuse my lack of engineering background...

I know it looks out of scale but the drive is so we can run bigger blowers later on. But it should give you an idea how much HP it takes to turn a blower.

The thing is that this test bench can run for hours on end non stop. It has water cooling for the gearbox if needed. The hoses and componants are to duplicate the oil system of the car. There is a tank, pump, filter and bypass.

The brackets and SC itself look insignificant compared to the motor and drive. But that is nessasary so there is variable speed drive that can be changed while running. Otherwise you would have to change pulleys each time you wanted to test another speed. There are two output shafts one low and one high speed. The low we use for the oil pump and the high for the blower. The high speed goes from 5000 RPM to 11000 RPM. So we can drive it with the same ratio as it will be in the car.

There are no instrements on it yet. That's this weeks work. We will know flow, pressure, speed, temp delta and more. Later we will pivot the blower bracket so we can hook it up with a strain gauge and know torque.

Thanks Hymee... I guess I got confused when he put the word 'dyno' in there...

Glad to see that things are starting to coalesce... here's hoping RP has a useable product soon!

Is that a digital temp meter on the stand?

I must say, I am indeed very priveledged. I have experienced an axial flow supercharger running at about 1/2 design speed, and my hands have been bessed by it's high flow PSI's spewing out the discharge port.

Most impressive. Richard has a pressure guage accurate to a poofteenth of a PSI and we had it plumbed into the volutes to get a PSI indication. He also has a need RPM counter that was laser guided, and measured the RPM of the input pulley. Also a dual probe temp sensore to measure the temp rise during the experiments. And he is going to attach a strain gauge to measure the torque effort, hence the HP required to turn the blower. It need to be a big motor ;).

I'm just setting up some pics now.

I felt really bad that Torque dissapeared while RAP was deep in conversation with me. It only took 2 seconds for Torque to befriend me. I says to richard a few minutes later, where is the dog gone? He was tied up a cable. The cable was clean cut off. Real strage. I watched the shop for the next 6 hours while Richard went looking.

I decided to use the time to start burning stuff from my dying laptops HDD on to CD. I also pilfered Richards network connection to get on the web. So when he got back, there I was, caught in the act, hooked into the network and burning CD's! LOL.

I'll go and do some pics, and tell more of the story later.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Is that a digital temp meter on the stand? looks more like a voltmeter(multimeter) to me..

but I dunno.. could be anything.. hymee mentions a dual probe temp sensor so that could be it.

Is that a digital temp meter on the stand?

Yup, it reads two probes, delivers delta temp or two temps at once.
Didn't get any pics but maybe Hymee did of the lazer tach. That's neat too.

Mez' ....Just hide my ugly face ;)



As you wish. This is less a demonstration of my basic edition of free Photoshop than it is a testament to my basic photoshopping skills :) .

I retain the right to post the original later on....... :D

As you wish. This is less a demonstration of my basic edition of free Photoshop than it is a testament to my basic photoshopping skills :) .

I retain the right to post the original later on....... :D



Gomez, as upset/sad as I am about my dog, you made me laugh out loud.
Thank You :)

I hope he finds his way back home, Richard.

Here are the pics of Richard's supercharger on the mobile dyno. In one of the shots you can see Hymee skulking with a camera..... :)

Cheers,
Gomez.


Ha, Ha Dosdog has brightened the office up somehow and exposed Hymee with cam hiding in office. Hope he posts it here for your entertainment. :)

Took off the Cat and installed my stolen Hymee exhaust. Getting flames now out the back. Anyone else doing this?
Guess that's what I get for installing a HOT exhaust.

I think Wildcard lays claim to something similar... ;)

As you wish. This is less a demonstration of my basic edition of free Photoshop than it is a testament to my basic photoshopping skills :) .

I retain the right to post the original later on....... :D

That looks like a great idea Hymee. Stick your fingers in a supercharger! How many do you have now? :D

Ha, Ha Dosdog has brightened the office up somehow and exposed Hymee with cam hiding in office. Hope he posts it here for your entertainment. :)

I can extend my photoshop skills a little further..... :)

I think Wildcard lays claim to something similar... ;)
:eek: :eek: :eek:

Drool......

can i say that whole rig will never fit under the bonnet! its huge!

8)

I can extend my photoshop skills a little further..... :)

Sorry, you're gonna have to work a little harder in order to get the image Thedosdog did. On his you can really see the Hymster sneeking around in there. Give it another go. I can't figure out how you guys are getting an image from nothing. I know he was in there but how does your program know? It just looks black to me.

Sorry, you're gonna have to work a little harder in order to get the image Thedosdog did. On his you can really see the Hymster sneeking around in there. Give it another go. I can't figure out how you guys are getting an image from nothing. I know he was in there but how does your program know? It just looks black to me.

Ask your son how we did it :) . Okay, one more just for you. I upped the brightness and contrast a little more. Any more requests better come with a cheque (check) attached.

Gomez - I see you have aptly reconfigured Hymee's mug as it looks after a few Jack Daniels.

Hopefully your dog will show up once he gets a little hungry Richard.

Love the 'dyno' too.

Richard has sent me another photo. I think this is the one that Hymee wanted disguised earlier. I have added a seagull.

Hymee flowtesting one of his exhausts.....

Ask your son how we did it :) . Okay, one more just for you. I upped the brightness and contrast a little more. Any more requests better come with a cheque (check) attached.

You're fired anyway. Thedosdog works for free and did a better job.
You remember what Dirty Harry said "A mans gotta know his limitations"

You're still the man when it comes to writing DIY thread though.
Lord knows you have a following there.
Your shifter name of "snick shifter" is in the running still.

Therefore your "cheque" is reduced to 66% of it's prior amount.
As always checks go out on Tuesday.
Cheques however go through the computer and no timing can be predicted.

Richard has sent me another photo. I think this is the one that Hymee wanted disguised earlier. I have added a seagull.

Hymee flowtesting one of his exhausts.....

The seagull dumped on my car. Hymee tounge is good touch, can't remember if that was there or if you added it.

Dogs not back yet. To early here to call the pound. :o

Dam, hope your dog gets back soon! Kickass photos. How you like the 8 so far, havent read any impressions on that yet?

Dam, hope your dog gets back soon! Kickass photos. How you like the 8 so far, havent read any impressions on that yet?


Well, that was fun. Just got back from the animal shelter. $217 to get the damn dog back. :mad: Funny thing was he got picked up right on the corner where we were. Whoever picked him up didn't look around much as it is an industrial section and was empty on Sunday. They should have noticed Hyme and I running the damn blower test stand. Hell they should have heard it. :confused:

I wonder if someone didn't just sneak in behind us and cut the wire, intending to steal the dog. It is wierd how that wire was cut. Hymee saw it first, the wire was sheared not chewed through as I thought. It was a 4 wire cable with 20 gauge wires.

Driving impressions might be on the shifter thread, I think. I did report some somewhere. Overall very impressed with the job Mazda has done for this price range it's a good ride. I like the interior driving feel and controles. Tight steering and good response. :)

If no one else will put up Hymees picture I will. Here's the sneek, sneeking

.http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49499

I'm glad to hear you found your dog... Those pound fees are RIDICULOUS in Cali... Here in Texas (DFW) its only about $75 to get your dog out of the pound if its only been in less than 3 days...

Any ETA on strapping this thing to your 'test bench' with wheels?

Maybe the dog got scared by the sound and "freed" himself...

The seagull dumped on my car. Hymee tongue is good touch, can't remember if that was there or if you added it......
Just got back from the animal shelter. $217 to get the damn dog back.



The seagull don't like Caddies. The tongue is genuine Hymee. Glad the dog made it back :) .

Gomez.

real estate much cheaper here in midwest...
only 40 to retrieve dog.
i would spend whatever to get mine back though and every pound knows that.

I'm glad to hear you found your dog... Those pound fees are RIDICULOUS in Cali... Here in Texas (DFW) its only about $75 to get your dog out of the pound if its only been in less than 3 days...

Any ETA on strapping this thing to your 'test bench' with wheels?

It would have been $25 less if he were fixed.
$25 was for a microchip installed in his neck.
$60 I think for his licence
$15 for a rabies shot.
Balance was pound fee.

He's still sleeping. I don't know if he's just depesed or what. This time of the morning he's usually bugging me to play or at least stealing trash to chew up and scater around. I spoke to soon, he's up but not sticking his cold nose on me bum.
He's just scratching and I bet he got fleas in that dump.

Richard

Glad to see you got your best friend back No not HYMEE , your dog Turbo :D
Dont worry about him sleeping they may have given him a sedative at the pound to make him drowsy either that or his been up all night humping all the other dogs , it would take quite a bit of energy humping all night and sniffing all the other dogs backsides .ha ha ha .

This thread has really gone to the dogs :D

cheers
michael

Am I guessing the name Turbo was given because ...?
Just curious Mr. Supercharger Man.

The Dog's name is "Torque" not Turbo.

its called "Irony"- Richard gets an RX-8 and a little time later realizes he's missing Torque. then has to spend an exhorbitant amount of money to get his Torque back.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ROFL!!!!

Very clever.

its called "Irony"- Richard gets an RX-8 and a little time later realizes he's missing Torque. then has to spend an exhorbitant amount of money to get his Torque back.


Zoom- That is, hands-down, the funniest thing I've ever read on this board :D

Good one "44". I can call you that now that my GF is 45, right?

Gomez, I sent you a present via Hymee. See to it that he gives it to you. You may have to pry it out of his hand. Although maybe not, it doesn't go with red.

Gotta go now, I'm off to the dyno place. Car has 750 mi on it. We shall see what happens.

its called "Irony"- Richard gets an RX-8 and a little time later realizes he's missing Torque. then has to spend an exhorbitant amount of money to get his Torque back.


Thank god u explained that!!!

I was getting reallly really confused.

I must be turning American if i cant spot stuff like that... :D

Go ahead all of you...laugh at my expense... ;)

Guys you may find this interesting , a new rotary engine concept .

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=61173

cheers
michael

Gotta go now, I'm off to the dyno place. Car has 750 mi on it. We shall see what happens.

What car? I never saw it :( ?????

:p :p :p :p

Cheers,
Hymee.

What car? I never saw it :( ?????

:p :p :p :p

Cheers,
Hymee.


You know which car, the yellow one with 156 HP. :mad:
I'm going to try and hook up my scanner then learn how to work it.
If all works I'll post the dyno and maybe start a new thread about it.
I guess I go to the Mazda dealer with this, right?
This is alot less then the so called 238. I'm willing to allow reasonable drivetrain loss and even give them some slack to lie. But why me? :confused: They knew I was going to buy that car and fixed it on purpose. :mad:

I was gunna show you the scanner, but you let Dana take the car for the day!!!

Did you forget I was visiting!!! LOL!

Thanks for the lunch. Enjoyable as always. Wish I had a chance for some more JD or Wild Turkey.

Enjoy these pics. These are the first few I have sized etc. Sorry it has took me until now to get them posted.

I even have one of RAP looking for Torque.

Left = intake of blower
Centre = Pressure Gauge
Right = discharge port. PSI to the engine ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Sure is beautiful looking.

Beautifuly machined. bet it looks even better in person. Glad you got your dog back RP.

Hey out there, Omicron, Polak, MazdaManiac and all you guys that know about flashes. Am I just on a old flash? Or is my problem unique? I'm going nuts here, I'll crush the damn thing and you guys waiting for the SC will never see it.
I feel like i just got it in the bum without the KY.

The dyno is not wrong and it is not the traction or anything like that. I can feel the power curve match the dyno. The mixture didn't seem much different then some of the ones I've seen. It does go real rich but like I said I've seen this before.

I'll tell you this, if I can't get the dealer to fix this and fast I'll dump this thing. If this is going to require me to go on and on being pen pals with Mazda then It is not worth it.

I have a great idea. It's already yellow, I can have the stripper detail it to look like a lemon and park it out front of Mazda NA in Orange County. That's not to far from me. Damn I love this idea.

Hey out there, Omicron, Polak, MazdaManiac and all you guys that know about flashes. Am I just on a old flash? Or is my problem unique? I'm going nuts here, I'll crush the damn thing and you guys waiting for the SC will never see it.
I feel like i just got it in the bum without the KY.

The dyno is not wrong and it is not the traction or anything like that. I can feel the power curve match the dyno. The mixture didn't seem much different then some of the ones I've seen. It does go real rich but like I said I've seen this before.

I'll tell you this, if I can't get the dealer to fix this and fast I'll dump this thing. If this is going to require me to go on and on being pen pals with Mazda then It is not worth it.

I have a great idea. It's already yellow, I can have the stripper detail it to look like a lemon and park it out front of Mazda NA in Orange County. That's not to far from me. Damn I love this idea.

Some people have had dynos that low, and it may be because they dyno is not well ventilated. Maybe your car just has low power, as people have speculated the real hp is more around 210 for the high power.

You might could even ask Hymee or another vendor who completed a FI solution on any dyno tips :eek: :p

While there have been a few rare dynos that low, with an old '04 car, I'd definitely get the latest flash first. You could be a good 2 or 3, even more, iterations behind.

More pictures...


Richard goes looking for Torque.
Hymee starts stealing secrets. See network cable, valuable drawing on monitor in background, and evidence of CD burning activities.
CNC showing empty vices after Hymee stole the machinings.


Cheers,
Hymee.

More Pictures


Air flow (volume) meter
Supply of Hymee Enhanced cat-backs
Power unit and test bench


Cheers,
Hymee.

More pictures:


Oil pump for S/C gearset
Another angle
Torque. "Where did you guys go when I needed you?"


Cheers,
Hymee.

Torque is a fine looking Golden Retriever. They are the best dogs, in my completely unbiased opinion (http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=717177&postcount=28). I'm sure he'll be glad to help you get your mind off your dyno numbers.

I wonder if the noise from the AFS testing bothered him. Does the AFS make the same high pitched whine that the compressor blades of a jet engine make? Perhaps it is loud in frequencies above human hearing?

Torque is a fine looking Golden Retriever. They are the best dogs, in my completely unbiased opinion (http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=717177&postcount=28). I'm sure he'll be glad to help you get your mind off your dyno numbers.

I wonder if the noise from the AFS testing bothered him. Does the AFS make the same high pitched whine that the compressor blades of a jet engine make? Perhaps it is loud in frequencies above human hearing?


Great looking dog you have and I agree they are the best. My boy Cody I had to put down at 14 about a year and half ago was my saving grace during a terable part of my life.

Yes it sounds just like you are at the airport. Of course not a loud. It did scare him but he was tied up. no one can figure out how he could use the wire cutters to free himself since he has no thumbs.

I'd buy Torque one of those beds like you have but he would eat it. I buy 5 pair of athletic socks each week. I have five extra tennis shoes just so he'll get confused and not eat the pair i'm currently wearing. Yet he always knows, he likes to sleep with his head on my shoes. They must just smell good.

I'm looking for someone who has experiance with the G meter or whatever it's called. You out there CRH. I've a good street to use it on at night. I'd like to know what numbers other cars got.

I'm looking for someone who has experiance with the G meter or whatever it's called. You out there CRH. I've a good street to use it on at night. I'd like to know what numbers other cars got.

FFS! I had one in one of my bags, just in case you wanted to do a baseline on the yellow car! But someone took it for a drive :eek: grrr

Cheers,
Hymee.

Or better still, go buy one with the money you saved by me only having 1 JD...

www.mrdyno.com

Cheers,
Hymee.

Or better still, go buy one with the money you saved by me only having 1 JD...

www.mrdyno.com

Cheers,
Hymee.

What are talking about? :confused: I said I have one, a G tech pro that is. If that's what you mean? I just wanted to know what are standard results from other cars.
If I use the HP function what weight do I put in? :confused:

You know the street I'm on, it is empty at night and I'd go out there a little later and make some runs. :)

FFS! I had one in one of my bags, just in case you wanted to do a baseline on the yellow car! But someone took it for a drive :eek: grrr

Cheers,
Hymee.


Well he's bigger than me. :(

Hey out there, Omicron, Polak, MazdaManiac and all you guys that know about flashes. Am I just on a old flash?

I'm not sure what kind of shifty deal you pulled to get this old clunker trucked over to you so cheap ;) , but in the normal course of things this car would have been re-flashed prior to delivery. Mazda USA have a live online inventory of all the RX-8's in stock that require reflash as per MSP04. They are meant to be done before delivery to customers. I'm sure yours has been.

Gomez.

Gomez, I sent you a present via Hymee. See to it that he gives it to you. You may have to pry it out of his hand. Although maybe not, it doesn't go with red.



Woo Hoo!

I'm not sure what kind of shifty deal you pulled to get this old clunker trucked over to you so cheap ;) , but in the normal course of things this car would have been re-flashed prior to delivery. Mazda USA have a live online inventory of all the RX-8's in stock that require reflash as per MSP04. They are meant to be done before delivery to customers. I'm sure yours has been.

Gomez.

Well that blows. The flash was the good answer. Everything else is harder.
How do I enter that list of cars that Mazda has?
Snap On tried to put the number in and it came back invalid.
I'm going to go get it off the car right now.

Snap On tried to put the number in and it came back invalid.


Oops - You did day you didn't pay full price, right ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

PS - I didn't know you had a g-tech. What weight? I drove over some scales one day to check, and try to make an allowance for fuel load.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Oops - You did day you didn't pay full price, right ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

PS - I didn't know you had a g-tech. What weight? I drove over some scales one day to check, and try to make an allowance for fuel load.

Cheers,
Hymee.

And so?? what did the scale say??

No I didn't pay sticker but They still should give me all the horses with it. Maybe they are all there, just they are very small horses

I had the vin number wrong, I got it off my insurance policy. I sent the right one now. Wonder what will happen if I need my insurance are they going to deny knowing me?

I dunno. I'll have to check my MR Dyno and see what is dialled in...

Cheers,
Hymee.

ouch... did you get saddled with one of the limited edition "No powers" (not Lo powers)?

What are talking about? :confused: I said I have one, a G tech pro that is. If that's what you mean? I just wanted to know what are standard results from other cars.
If I use the HP function what weight do I put in? :confused:

You know the street I'm on, it is empty at night and I'd go out there a little later and make some runs. :)

When I do Hp runs I use 3174 (3029 spec from Mazda + my weight). The Hp numbers it returns in a 3rd gear pull are frightening low but at least they are very consistent. If you want to get consistent numbers I'd suggest a couple of things.

Calibrate the tachometer
Use the same stretch of road
Level the accelerometers before making any serious runs. This is accomplished by doing one short run. You only need to get the timer to start in order for the Gtech to figure out which way it is facing.
For a Hp run, start off just hard enough to get the timer to start counting. Then smoothly shift into 3rd and start your pull to redline. This should give you a run from ~3k RPMs to redline. Coast for a couple of seconds to end the run.


Here is an example from my car. The black run is stock and the red run shows the addition of the Borla exhaust and K&N intake. The other image shows a stock 1/4 mile run with a very hard start. The last image shows the Hp from the 1/4 mile run and illustrates why you have to drive smoothly to get repeatable Hp numbers.

Recent review of the Gtech (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=9380&page_number=6) in Car and Driver.

P.S. Don't assume that your car has the latest flash. A lot of dealerships have not been following MSP04 and have not bothered with updating the cars on their lots. So ask them to verify it.

Snap On checked the history and I have all the recalls and flashes done.
My G Tech doesn't turn on. Brand new never used. What luck!!!!!!!!!!
I tried to get some freinds of mine with a Honda garage to plug into the OBDll but it would not let him read anything.

I thought if I could get those two things then I might be able to figure out where my horses are.

The other thing is do I have to disconect the rear wheel speed sensors? I didn't do this as I thought it had been proven not nessasary. If it is then I'll try that but don't really want to waste the money if it's not a fair shot at the problem.

Richard,

Your car sat for a long time at the dealers. Maybe one of the intake doors (S-DIAS or VFAD) is stuck shut thus compromising the air flow at high RPMS. Did you dyno graph show the typical dips at the appropriate RPMS that would show these features are working correctly? Is there another way to test this?

Now you know why we are so keen on you designing your supercharger :o

Please see this (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=60279&page=1&pp=15) thread for all my findings about power in the RX8.

All power findings are proven with dyno results and A/F Ratio map.

Hope this helps a bit.

If you crush the car it would look like a squashed banana :D

Richard,

Your car sat for a long time at the dealers. Maybe one of the intake doors (S-DIAS or VFAD) is stuck shut thus compromising the air flow at high RPMS. Did you dyno graph show the typical dips at the appropriate RPMS that would show these features are working correctly? Is there another way to test this?
VFAD is half open (or half shut) when my engine is off.

That is considered abnormal by other forum member. I have no way to prove it either way though, and the sCANalyser will not detect it since there is no PCM input from the VFAD.

I end up removed it and put an Odula RAM intake in.

I think it works better without that VFAD since we have decided that is for noise more than performance.

I don’t think your engine is finished breaking in yet.
I noticed a power increase at about 1200-1500 miles about the time the burning oil smell went away, then again at 12000 miles.
I do believe that there is a break-in sub routine in the PCM, but I don’t know for sure.

Dont give up on it so soon, we will help you find the problem. :)

Snap On checked the history and I have all the recalls and flashes done.
My G Tech doesn't turn on. Brand new never used. What luck!!!!!!!!!!
I tried to get some freinds of mine with a Honda garage to plug into the OBDll but it would not let him read anything.

I thought if I could get those two things then I might be able to figure out where my horses are.

The other thing is do I have to disconect the rear wheel speed sensors? I didn't do this as I thought it had been proven not nessasary. If it is then I'll try that but don't really want to waste the money if it's not a fair shot at the problem.

rp,
pretty sure if you dont pull the rear wheel sensors the motor goes into the limp mode while on the dyno.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=20001&highlight=dyno+limp+mode

beers

rp,
pretty sure if you dont pull the rear wheel sensors the motor goes into the limp mode while on the dyno.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=20001&highlight=dyno+limp+mode

beers
I really doubt it...here is my dyno, with DSC off via the dash button......no limp mode, nothing weird, no nothing.....just 178whp; with 12,000 miles or so completely stock.

http://www.myrotarycar.com/mazdarx8/images/rx8tx200.gif (http://www.myrotarycar.com/mazdarx8/images/rx8tx800.gif)
And there are more to compare here: RX-8 Dynos (http://www.myrotarycar.com/mazda-rx8_2004_Dynos.asp)

RX8-tx is that dyno sae corrected?

We dyno'd 6 or seven on one day...had average results 180's...no limp mode on any of the cars...........

dan i ran on the dyno friday night at wenatchee. 163 was top hp but i also was over temp and actually overheated on the 3rd run. T went down each run- car pulling timing. no fan in frontof the car either-there was one to use just i was first to go and it was forgotten. :o

Ya...I was there....definitely low #'s...so something was going on. You sure did get warm :D

Big fans are important on a dyno!

soryy iknew you were there but wanted to just get the numbers out there. damn embarrasing:(

Ouch. Overheating a rotary is very bad news! Overheating is like detonation. You might get away with it several times or you might not once. What can happen is that the rotor housings expand too much and warp in relation to the other housings causing permanent water leaks. When you take an oil pan off of a previously overheated rotary, you can tell just by looking at it if it has been severaly overheated or not. The bottom of the rotor housings are typically miscolored. If you haven't had any issues then you got pretty lucky. Don't do that again.

Ouch. Overheating a rotary is very bad news! Overheating is like detonation. You might get away with it several times or you might not once. What can happen is that the rotor housings expand too much and warp in relation to the other housings causing permanent water leaks. When you take an oil pan off of a previously overheated rotary, you can tell just by looking at it if it has been severaly overheated or not. The bottom of the rotor housings are typically miscolored. If you haven't had any issues then you got pretty lucky. Don't do that again.


Right at startup, especially in the morning, I never take it past 3-4K until its fully warmed up. This warping scares the hell out of me.

RX8-tx is that dyno sae corrected?
Indeed, though I've no idea what factor was actually used. The conditions of the run are on the site hosting the dyno sheet. Very briefly: Texas, Garland (for altitude); 78ºF ambient temp; baro-pressure: you can probably look it up on a weather archive as well as humidity for the dyno pull date (once more, I think its on the site hosting it...)

The result is the result of 3 pulls.

Ouch.

it wasnt bad . in fact it was back down to normal temps i just a coupla minutes- by the time i got off the dynp. no cel and car ran fine right after and all the next day including another hour in a parade and then all the way in the 6 hour drive home. but you could see the timing being pulled as it was heating- i just wasnt paying enough attention-first time on a dyno :o course i had everyone and their brother and his wife telling my wife about it the next morning :eek: .....

I went to the dealer who's name I will withold until it is actually over. So I go in there ready to jump on the guys desk and pound my feet but I get no resistance. The service writer has an Rx8 himself and doesn't argue with me that I'm down on power. I hadn't even showed him the dyno sheet yet. He just wanted me to get an appointment for Monday. I then showed him and he looked at it and said to bring that with me next week.

I couldn't even get mad, he was to nice. So I thought as long as he had an 8 I'd sell him a shifter. :D No interest from him not even a word, just a smile. So I'm going to put a kit in my car over the weekend and not say anything about it. Lets see if he test drives the car. I don't know if he will or just turn it over to the shop. Either way someone is going to drive it and notice. :cool:

Meantime I wanted to try some other things and none worked out. Looking at the dyno it looks like the secondarys or not opening. You can see it going down at 6200 then it gets a little bump up at 7400. Is that when the terciarys open? OK I cant spell it, you know what I mean. I will not be insulted if you correct me. :rolleyes:

I will try again with this damn scanner, It just has no room to go. The only thing I can do is put it under the trash basket. There are so many electronics around this one corner?????? I could organize but then I couldn't find anything. I already bought the damn thing weeks ago. I tink I may have lost the software already. Just kidding. :p

Going out to dinner in a little while, 30 min drive, 20 of it through a great canyon. I'll let you know what I think. Hint: I know this canyon really well. But even though I have been driving it since high school I don't drive like I did back then, just want to see what a reasonable person can expect from it.

I'd apologize for being off-topic but since this thread is at least 1/3 about aircraft and their propulsion :D I'm curious, do any of you jet guys know any interesting stuff on the Williams Research F107-100 or F112-WR-110 turbofans? I'm just a monkey that turns wrenches so we aren't allowed to work on them but we work with them a lot.

I havn't screwed with the scanner yet so you can't see it but I think I asked befor about the secondarys not opening?????
Anyone?? Can this be happening?

Drove the car over to the beach last night, very nice run for this car. I find it best to keep it reved up around 4000 min in order not to get cought out. Never really had to use more then 7000 for spirited drive.
Going to install a shifter in it today. Should be interesting, I will take it again on a canyon run.

I like the lighting alot. Might want a real high powered driving light as an option for desert driving.

i dont think its going to be the secondaries Richard. its probably going extremely rich as the secondaries open. and if youve seen hymees maf graph some cars seem to have a harder time overcoming the the pressure change when the sec. open. have you reset the KAM?

i dont think its going to be the secondaries Richard. its probably going extremely rich as the secondaries open. and if youve seen hymees maf graph some cars seem to have a harder time overcoming the the pressure change when the sec. open. have you reset the KAM?


What's a KAM?? I know what a CAM is.
It is going down to 11.2 AFR at 7400
it starts to fall at 5600 it runs about 12.3
hits 12 at 7000 stays around 11.5 to 8000

the power starts to go back up at 7300. there is a dip there.

everything looks normal up to 6200. Isn't that when the secondarys kick in??

read mazdamaniacs post here http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=27548 post number 3

i dont think its going to be the secondaries Richard. its probably going extremely rich as the secondaries open. and if youve seen hymees maf graph some cars seem to have a harder time overcoming the the pressure change when the sec. open. have you reset the KAM?
I attached 2 graphs from logs I took under the same conditions. Both were done with the M calibration during the same day & during the same run. I have the pre & post run conditions on all the major components that can be logged via CAN (baro pressure, temps, etc...)

I also remember there were quite a few threads dealing with these kind of logs when the CANScan craze started. I don't know if these are of any significance...but...

in the first graph there is someting wrong with the maf line. there should be dips at the port opening rpms,

in the first graph there is someting wrong with the maf line. there should be dips at the port opening rpms,
Well, there are -dips- @ 5500 & ~6500. Maybe I am one of the lucky ones with a proper MAF & fully functional (or not!) secondary & auxiliary ports. :o The scale maybe to blame if they don't look too apparent.

Here is my basline run. Looks like a roller coaster.... Stock PCM. Does this look like the same dips you are speaking of?

I was telling the engineers here about your project. I think they are very interested in what you are doing.

I attached 2 graphs from logs I took under the same conditions. Both were done with the M calibration during the same day & during the same run. I have the pre & post run conditions on all the major components that can be logged via CAN (baro pressure, temps, etc...)

I also remember there were quite a few threads dealing with these kind of logs when the CANScan craze started. I don't know if these are of any significance...but...


They may have a smoothing program in there. I wish Hymee had left a scanilizer with me. It would help find my problem.

Nemisis, my AF looks a bunch better then yours. I bought another scanner for my computer and it doesn't work either. Does anyone out there have a fax and a scanner both. I could fax this to you and you cauld post it for me.

i do. pm sent.

here's hymee's graph i was talking about. the yellow line is the mafs voltage i.e airflow.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49172

Can you send to an Aussie number?

Andrew

i guess yours look about the same rx8-tx. your graph is just a little smoother over all

Zoom44, is this graph from hymee showing a car having a hard time overcoming secondaries opening?

Where is this evident? If I am reading it right then I am guessing around 7200 RPM in first gear is one point.

Also, sorry to sound dumb but what are we talking about? Secondary...intake ports?

Andrew

i do. pm sent.


It doesn't answer though. It will auto redial in 12 min.

Can you send to an Aussie number?

Andrew

If Ajax doesn't work I can.

It doesn't answer though. It will auto redial in 12 min.
wtf.. gimme a sec.
it's my parents' stupid fax.. it says "receiving fax" on it too.

it's setup to answer.. lemme turn on the speaker so i can hear what's up

it's setup to answer.. lemme turn on the speaker so i can hear what's up


Says it went throgh on my end. :)

here we go:

You definitely have a problem. Something is not opening alright. Gotta get that fixed. The secondaries appear to be open but the auxillary ports don't look like they are. They open with a little motor on the lower intake manifold.

here we go:



Good, thanks, Ajax.
As you can see my AF is very smooth albet rich. You can also see why I think it is the secondarys not opening. The power loss is right at the opening point and the recovery is at the aux opening point.

RotaryGod, does that make sense? We know the car sat for well over a year, almost two. Probably got started once in awhile to go into the shop for the various recalls. Moved about 200 feet I guess each way. That in itself shpuldn't cause this sort of problem but add a few snow storms a couple of major rains and looking at the rust on my brake discs,,,,, you get the idea.

I could go dig into it but what for, let the dealer do it.

You definitely have a problem. Something is not opening alright. Gotta get that fixed. The secondaries appear to be open but the auxillary ports don't look like they are. They open with a little motor on the lower intake manifold. 6250 rpm.. that'd be when the aux ports open.

EDIT: I'd take that dyno to a dealer and let them look at it.
I wonder if they're stuck shut from sitting for so long.

what it looks like to me is that the dynos rpm pick up was loosing the signal. the jaggedy graph looks just like several other 8 graphs that had that happen. i could be wrong we had troubles getting good signal from the plug on mine and another one the next night just quit because of it.

His power looks fine right up to 6250. That's where there's an issue. There are 2 possibilities with the auxillary ports. The first is that the little electric motor that turns them is bad or the electrical connection to it is. The other possibility was a common occurence on older 6 port engines that had sat a while or had never been driven hard and that is the auxillary port sleeves are carbon locked shut. I've had that happen to a car a bought used. The RX-8 isn't that old though so I don't know why that would be an issue. The first thing I'd do is check the little motor and the signal going to it.

the graph goes funky at the tertiary port opening....


never mind i was reading it wrong :o its at the secondary

If it's at the secondary then I must be reading it wrong too. How do you figure? It sure looks like 6250 rpm where it drops off to me.

The reason it starts to recover a little at around 7500 and above is because at 7250 the variable intake valve opens which shortens the effective length of the intake manifold and tunes it for a higher rpm.

sorry im making it all more confusing- i agree with you now that is at 6250. never mind what i said before.:);) im tired and confusing my -ary's:)

the funny thing is that I kept staring at this graph on the screen.. when i have the damn piece of paper sitting right here!

Here is a comparison dyno graph...

Added the RPM scal alone the bottom, but I'm missing data. I remember them saying that the RPM pickup seemed to not work well on the RX8's.

We agree then, the aux ports are not opening. Saves the dealer the trouble of looking or it gives him the problem that I know. Depends on attitude doesn't it.
Anyway he gets to try out my shifter, even if doesn't want to. You can't deny that it is there when you drive it. :D

So, I need to get this baseline so we can get down to the SC install. Looks like a whole new intake manifold is going to be needed. The lower piece stays though.
Getting real interesting with the electronics thingie. :confused:

I'll keep you posted and thank all of you for your help. It would always be my car. You know Christmas eve when you put the kids toys together. I'm the one who gets the toy with the part missing. Like the nut that holds the wheel on. Not kidding, that has happened. Good thing I have a shop and a lathe or my kid would've been real upset. I should remind him of that.

I have faith that my toys will come with all the parts... Us old guys need that :rolleyes:

Just make sure the SC comes those pesky AA batteries...

You know Christmas eve when you put the kids toys together. I'm the one who gets the toy with the part missing. Like the nut that holds the wheel on. Not kidding, that has happened. Good thing I have a shop and a lathe or my kid would've been real upset. I should remind him of that.


Make him take you to see the new movie. :)

you know i have only heard of 2 times when the tertiary ports were sticking- that Sport Compact test that never finished because of the stuck port and the laguna seca press event where a couple motors had stuck ports and popped. none of them were production line cars....

you know i have only heard of 2 times when the tertiary ports were sticking- that Sport Compact test that never finished because of the stuck port and the laguna seca press event where a couple motors had stuck ports and popped. none of them were production line cars....


I just droped it at Galpin Mazda. Had a lot of skeptics there, "how do you know that's what is wrong?" "all we can do is hook it up to the computer and see what it says" Along with other questions showing that the only thing they do know is to hook it up and see what the computer says. Like it's some sort of God, if it doesn't come up on a screen they don't believe it.

I think that dealer mechanics never learn anything but how to read a screen and take the printout to the parts window. Get what the partsman hands them and find out where it is and replace it. Who cares what was wrong as long as they put black box replacing black box all is well.

We shall see how they do. I have little confidence. If I had just gone in saying my car didn't seem like it was fast enough they would have done nothing but send me on my way. You only think there were two cars where aux did not open. Maybe there are thousands out there that no one has reported. If it wasn't for the dyno pull how would I know that the car was down on power. If I thought it was the dealer would not have found anything wrong. He would tell me all normal, they are all like that.

There is no way a person could know this problem exists unless he dynos it or has a freind with another 8 and races him. Or just drives it. He would then have a hell of a time getting the dealer to do anything. They are just not equiped to handle anything but standard repairs. :(

Get used to it...most of the mechanics at the dealerships don't have a clue. Thank god there are a few "rotorhead types" that really love the rotaries. The problem is finding one.

Anyway....forget about your stock HP and get the supercharger working :D

You only think there were two cars where aux did not open. Maybe there are thousands out there that no one has reported. If it wasn't for the dyno pull how would I know that the car was down on power. If I thought it was the dealer would not have found anything wrong. He would tell me all normal, they are all like that.

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more than 2 cars. just 2 times that i heard about. there were more than 2 cars that had it happen at the Press event. my point was i havent heard about it ona production car yet.

Now it starts. Just got the call from Galpin Mazda, Car is ready. They said the only thing it needed was the n flash. They also said that they will not do anything more for me. If I want more call Mazda NA or pay for more diagnostic work.

How much more can I do for you MAZDA??????????????
I go in and bring the dyno sheet, I tell them where to look.
I tell them why it is there. Why that is the logical place to look.
I think I was nice about it. I think I can sound well informed about engines.

How many complaints do they want.? The damn car came out with a power problem, they had to pay up for it. How can they be so slack about something they should be sensitive about.

Mazda, you couldn't possably have a better example from a customer.
Mazda, I just bought a new car from you, it has less then 1000 miles on it. I'm the wrong guy to be treating this way. You can't claim I'm wrong.

I don't even want to go pick it up, what for? It'll just make me mad.
You wouldn't like me when I'm mad.

In fact I'm not going to pick it up. I'll call Mazda NA first.
If that doesn't work I'll pick it up and fix it myself and yell from the roof tops about it.

Did you check the CAT....mine dyno'd 143 with the cat plugged...it looked very much like that......except it didn't have the spike at the end....

Are you going to tell MNAO that you're developing a supercharger kit for it? :eek:

Did you check the CAT....mine dyno'd 143 with the cat plugged...it looked very much like that......except it didn't have the spike at the end....


Dan, should I check the cat when it has 891 miles on it??

Don't you think Mazda already knows that I'm developing a supercharger for it?
They just don't know it's me, the guy with the problem. I know that the guy I'm dealing with has no knowlage of it and could care less. I don't know the name of the people who know me or I'd call them. Believe me it I get no solution this way I'll look them up.
Was that confusing? I didn't mean it to be.
I called Mazda NA and went through the normal channels as if I was just a guy off the street with a plain jane low performance model, having a door hinge problem.
Let's see the system work.

I went back and looked at the graphs...look different. Yours still climbs after 6K...mine flatlined there. I have a high RPM drop off on mine...after 7300 when the VDI opens. Have checked it and it does open, Might be ign related?? It also get really notchy there. They have been looking into it for 3 weeks now with no answers, They look at you like you have a third eye when you come in with a dyno :D

..should I check the cat when it has 891 miles on it??


Yes - it could be a collasping CAT from an earlier flooding issue before you got the car. Might have happened in the Port of entry fiasco...

The dyno makes his problem obvious. It's not the cat. It's the auxillary ports not opening. Notice at the EXACT point they should be opening to let more air in, power flatlines. It peaks really quickly before this but not enough so to be an issue. Right above where the variable intake valve opens and effectively shortens the intake runners, power rises again, as it should. The cat is not causing this. Even the Mazda dealership mechanics would have caught that problem. If it were the cat, power would not flatline and then slightly go up again later. It would hit it's peak and then start to fall off again.

Richard, if you end up getting your car back with no issues resolved, just reach down and unbolt the auxillary port motor on the passenger side of the lower intake manifold. It's the only thing there. Reach in and see if you can turn the little gear by hand. If you can, the rotatins sleeves aren't stuck. Then apply a quick current to the motor to test it. If it doesn't spin you know the problem. If it does spin then you need to see if thee is a solenoid issue before this motor. It's easy to do. I know Mazda should be fixing it instead of making excuses and pawning it off on someone else but this is a very easy thing to check.

another way to handle it would be to use the power of our club. smack them with a couple hundred phone calls asking "why dont you look at richards tertiary ports?" :)

The dyno makes his problem obvious. It's not the cat.

Agreed - there are lots of possibles....

Dan, should I check the cat when it has 891 miles on it??

Don't you think Mazda already knows that I'm developing a supercharger for it?
They just don't know it's me, the guy with the problem. I know that the guy I'm dealing with has no knowlage of it and could care less. I don't know the name of the people who know me or I'd call them. Believe me it I get no solution this way I'll look them up.
Was that confusing? I didn't mean it to be.
I called Mazda NA and went through the normal channels as if I was just a guy off the street with a plain jane low performance model, having a door hinge problem.
Let's see the system work.

Tell them to open up the engine and check for the problem. Tell them that if there's no problem you'll pay them for looking. See what they'll do. If the dealership techs don't know how to recognize the problem (ie their readout would say send car to Mazda development) you might have to take it to a private shop if Mazda won't just give you another car for free.

The dyno makes his problem obvious. It's not the cat. It's the auxillary ports not opening. Notice at the EXACT point they should be opening to let more air in, power flatlines. It peaks really quickly before this but not enough so to be an issue. Right above where the variable intake valve opens and effectively shortens the intake runners, power rises again, as it should. The cat is not causing this. Even the Mazda dealership mechanics would have caught that problem. If it were the cat, power would not flatline and then slightly go up again later. It would hit it's peak and then start to fall off again.

Richard, if you end up getting your car back with no issues resolved, just reach down and unbolt the auxillary port motor on the passenger side of the lower intake manifold. It's the only thing there. Reach in and see if you can turn the little gear by hand. If you can, the rotatins sleeves aren't stuck. Then apply a quick current to the motor to test it. If it doesn't spin you know the problem. If it does spin then you need to see if thee is a solenoid issue before this motor. It's easy to do. I know Mazda should be fixing it instead of making excuses and pawning it off on someone else but this is a very easy thing to check.



Good idea Fred. That is what I should have done over the weekend, it would have taken less time then three trips to the dealer. It would be easier on my gut.
It would be easier on them too, because now I have to wonder if there aren't 25,000 Rx8's out there having this same problem. Thus causing the lack of power anti sales reputation working overtime. Who knows how many guys are just sick of their cars under performance. They took it to the dealer and they put it on their computer then send the guy home without fixing it. The guy sells his car because he didn't get what he paid for.

How many power problems can Mazda handle?? All self inflicted. When your kid blows your doors off with his stock Civic do you think there will be repeat buisness??? :confused:

I handed them the problem on a plate. What they should do is fix it and send out a note to dealers that this might be checked on cars with power problems. I'm not saying Recall, by all means avoid that. Avoid it by checking it now.

All 8 owners, go out and make a full throttle pass. Pay attention to the feel of the power curve, if it stops pulling at 6200 look at this. If it starts feeling like a electric motor, just sort of keeps going up the RPM scale but not pulling hard. My car feels like it needs a boot in the butt to get anywhere near redline. I never tried pushing it to get the shift buzzer because it feels like it needs to be shifted long before that. Anyone else get that feeling??? :confused:

Mazda is sending a "file" over to Galpin, whatever that means.
My spelling and typing get even worse when my blood is boiling. :mad:


So before we all march on MNA lets give their tech center a chance.
They said they were having the dealer call the tech center. Why duidn't they do it by themselves. Know why? Because they think they already know everything. How can they know everything, when "We" (as this forum) know everything? :rolleyes:

Richard

You can allways try.......... Nemesis8,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, list of possible problems and give Mazda a scientific way of finding a solution to your woes . :D

Mazda Mechanics trouble shooting at its best . :eek:

cheers
michael

Richard, I am curious what gears you feel the lack of power past 6200?....is it in first all the way through? I know my car has that pull past 6500 or so in first, and it gets less pronounced as you move up the gears, but I can feel it in first and 2nd, then 3rd tapers off a bit. Sorry to hear about your woes, but hopefully they get it figured out?

His dyno chart shows where the problem is. It's not gear dependent.

richard - maybe you can get them this new diagnostic tool. i have one and it seems to work pretty well. using it i seem to be right AT LEAST as often as the service guys;)

diagnostic tool (http://www.picotech.com/auto/diagnostic_dice.html)

http://www.picotech.com/auto/graphics/orange.gif

http://www.picotech.com/auto/graphics/red.gif

http://www.picotech.com/auto/graphics/green.gif

They say my car is done. I havn't gone to get it yet. They tell me they did the latest reflash. :confused: That is all that it needed, they drove it and it is OK. They did nothing else, they will do nothing else. I talked with MNA and they sent the dealer a file who then claims they don't know anything about an e mail from MNA.

They tell me they couldn't imagine what Mazda would want them to do. There is nothing else because the printout says everything is working. :(
So, they will not fix it or they fixed it but don't want to admit it, at least not to me. My gut tells me that they did nothing until MNA mailed them, then they did it but don't want to tell me I was right and they were wrong. A service manager with an ego problem!!!!! :confused:

Richard it can take a couple of weeks for what they did to show up where someone can read it.

Richard it can take a couple of weeks for what they did to show up where someone can read it.


That ruins my day. As if it wasn't already. I'm going for a Bloody Mary. ;)

Hey,I could leave it there. I have my Caddie. I don't like driving the 8 if it is still fuc&*d up. :mad:
I'd hate to leave it there for two weeks only to find out it is fixed. :(

RP

Have you driven the car since they flashed it?

There was an issue on early cars with secondary injector trip-in

The file would have been installed with the new flash.

Edit...

You ask in a earlier post about having a bad converter..some of these cars flooded on the lot and no claim will ever show. Some dealers just took it on the chin and changed the plugs etc.

RP

Have you driven the car since they flashed it?

There was an issue on early cars with secondary injector trip-in

The file would have been installed with the new flash.

Edit...

You ask in a earlier post about having a bad converter..some of these cars flooded on the lot and no claim will ever show. Some dealers just took it on the chin and changed the plugs etc.


I do not have the car back yet, I will get it in the morning.
You saw the prior list of service. I had Gomez look at it and he said it had all the new flashes. :confused: :confused:
That may have been only up to M though. What the hell do I know it could have had "A". :(

I do not have the car back yet, I will get it in the morning.
You saw the prior list of service. I had Gomez look at it and he said it had all the new flashes. :confused: :confused:
That may have been only up to M though. What the hell do I know it could have had "A". :(

pop the hood or look un the door sill for "authorized modification" stickers and get the higherst campaign number you see ( like MSP-XXX ) that'll indicat what flash you are on. I have about 7 of these stickers on my car now.

pop the hood or look un the door sill for "authorized modification" stickers and get the higherst campaign number you see ( like MSP-XXX ) that'll indicat what flash you are on. I have about 7 of these stickers on my car now.

Unfortunately not all dealers do that... I've had several TSB's done, a recall, and 4 flashes, a not a sticker to be found anywhere (I'm not complaining though- I'd just take 'em off anyway).

MSP 04 mean anything?? Date done was 2/15/05

If the bloody car was there last sunday then I could have checked the exact CalID with sCANalyser. And did some logging of the MAF etc. :(

Cheers,
Hymee.

MSP 04 mean anything?? Date done was 2/15/05

That was the campaign for the 'M' Flash...

If the bloody car was there last sunday then I could have checked the exact CalID with sCANalyser. And did some logging of the MAF etc. :(

Cheers,
Hymee.

Bloody this Bloody that, bitch, bitch, bitch. How do the Missus stand you. ;)
She just knows when she has a gold mine or you'd be alone bloke. :D

That was the campaign for the 'M' Flash...


Then that was what had before today. :confused:

Yeah Richard, you will have whatever the dealer had in his WDS at the time. Probably the "N" flash. You really shoulda had the car there for Hymee....... ;). You weren't fair dinkum and it just wasn't cricket.

Gomez.

There's that "fair dinkum" again..

Get the car back and see if the injector stumble has been addressed. After that we can see if something else needs to be done.

It's 1:27 and I'm out like a the fat kid in dodgeball.

You weren't fair dinkum and it just wasn't cricket.

Gomez.[/QUOTE]



Translation please. :confused: :confused:

I don't think it is injector stumble. You said that was secondary "tip in".
I thought the secondarys came in somewhere in the 3800 or so range.
I didn't think the aux ports had their own injectors.
Truth is I don't remember where the hell the injectors are.

It is just so obvious that this happens at exactly the point of aux action that it can't be anything else. Or can it?
Do they have this intake so finely tuned that it falls off right there if it doesn't get more air? I mean it drops not tapers off.

Hell, I'm just going to get some rest and not think about it until I pick it up.
This is usless mental masterbation since I haven't driven the car since they worked on it and they could have fixed it without telling me.

This is usless mental masterbation since I haven't driven the car since they worked on it and they could have fixed it without telling me.

Judging by the majority of the Mazda techs I've come across (no offense to snap-on and others) they could have fixed it without even knowing it themselves.

Sorry this might be rediclously obvious. But, my car bogs after 6200 whenever its low on oil. You might try checking your oil level, if not drive it for a while and see if it consuming the adequate amount of oil for a rotary.

Just a thought.

I still think it's an auxillary port problem. It might not be though. The dyno plot just backs up my suspicion though. It seems to explain it this way. Who knows though. Maybe it could be something different. I still think it's real easy to check.

Got my car back, still the same. :( We are going another direction to get it solved.
I'll not comment untill we see how it turns out.

The hint is that there are some functions that do not give codes. Don't depend on codes unless they are emissions related. 'Nuff said, read between the lines. ;)

I am afraid I may not like what I read between lines.....
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=50513&stc=1 :p

I am afraid I may not like what I read between lines.....
:p



Check your glasses ;) :)

I guess what he means is a fault in the ports doesn't necessarily come up as an ODBII emmisions fault.

Richard, was it checked at a Mazda dealer with the WDS?

Cheers,
Hymee.

I guess what he means is a fault in the ports doesn't necessarily come up as an ODBII emmisions fault.

Richard, was it checked at a Mazda dealer with the WDS?

Cheers,
Hymee.


The factory does not flash a code for locked closed only open.
Check your E mail in a few min.

When is it going to get looked at again?

When is it going to get looked at again?

Mazda is going to have someone with a little more technical expertise look at it next week. I'm very confident that it will get fixed. :)

We need more posts! Give us more pictures or something. Take a picture of the supercharger resting on the engine cover. Tease us a little! We are only about 23 or so posts away from regaining the lead over the Greddy thread. Come on. You can do it.

We are only about 23 or so posts away from regaining the lead over the Greddy thread. Come on. You can do it.

I agree :D

http://images2.fotopic.net/?iid=y5d2oz&outx=410&quality=70&original=1&noresize=1&nostamp=1

That picture reminds me of an airplane...

Nothing bumps the post count in this thread like a little aviation thread hijack. Unless it technical details of the AFS.

Just to keep it somewhat relevant, check out the fan blades on the latest engines from GE: http://www.geae.com/

Those sexy lines would look right at home in the engine bays of our RX-8, don't you think so Richard? Nothing a little CNC can't handle. :)

That picture reminds me of an airplane...

Nothing bumps the post count in this thread like a little aviation thread hijack. Unless it technical details of the AFS.

Just to keep it somewhat relevant, check out the fan blades on the latest engines from GE: http://www.geae.com/

Those sexy lines would look right at home in the engine bays of our RX-8, don't you think so Richard? Nothing a little CNC can't handle. :)



That's a cool site. Need a lot of time to go through it. But when veiwing the many engines I could have have my choice of I wonder what I could do with one. So I think I will take the engine from the M1a1 Abrams tank. I can't possably see myself ever getting a flying machine that I could use an areo engine in. But I think we could find a use for 1500 hp ground powerplant. :cool:
It's probably a lot less money then the Aero engines and GE will not think I'm greedy, so they will be happpy to send one over. :D

Actually, in my (apparently unsuccessful) attempt to remain somewhat on topic, what I was suggesting was that your AFS would have increase sex appeal if your blades had the funky curve in them like the latest GE engines for the 777 and 787.

But you would have to have to make the casing out of transparent aluminum so we could see them. :)

That's a cool site. Need a lot of time to go through it. But when veiwing the many engines I could have have my choice of I wonder what I could do with one. So I think I will take the engine from the M1a1 Abrams tank. I can't possably see myself ever getting a flying machine that I could use an areo engine in. But I think we could find a use for 1500 hp ground powerplant. :cool:
It's probably a lot less money then the Aero engines and GE will not think I'm greedy, so they will be happpy to send one over. :D

Those engines are pretty cool. I remember Jay Leno built a hot rod around one of them. You'll need to get the automatic :( transmission from the tank too.

Leno's "Tank Car" was made from a very old WW2 era tank engine; a V-12 from an M-47 Patton. Quite a bit of difference between that and a modern turbine. He did race it against the M1A1 though.

Actually, in my (apparently unsuccessful) attempt to remain somewhat on topic, what I was suggesting was that your AFS would have increase sex appeal if your blades had the funky curve in them like the latest GE engines for the 777 and 787.

But you would have to have to make the casing out of transparent aluminum so we could see them. :)


Yes, I have always wanted some of that transparent aluminum. We know it is possable because "Scottie" spec'ed some out in Star Trek movie number ? :confused:
He made the tank that held the whales to save the earth out of it.
He had to go back in time to give the foundry the formula to produce it. ;)

Isn't that stuff called Unobtanium . . . you know that super rigid, flexible, clear, opaque, dense, light, self sheilding, cunducting metal . . . that stuff is great. :rolleyes:

Isn't that stuff called Unobtanium . . . you know that super rigid, flexible, clear, opaque, dense, light, self sheilding, cunducting metal . . . that stuff is great. :rolleyes:


That is a brand name from a company that is no longer in buisness. In order get some we need the industry standard number. :rolleyes:

Tsk tsk. I catch up on the boards and sadly see how out of date some people are in regards to materials science.

http://www.rense.com/general20/transparentalum.htm

This is from last year guys. Focus! FOCUS!

Original link is in german so I found one of many english pages.

How cool would it be to have a sword made of that stuff.

Aluminum isn't the greatest material for making swords because of its ability to hold an edge, brittleness, etc.

How cool would it be to have a sword made of that stuff.

The stuff mentioned in the article said it was stronger than steel. either way it would look cool ;)

Yes, I have always wanted some of that transparent aluminum. We know it is possable because "Scottie" spec'ed some out in Star Trek movie number ? :confused:
He made the tank that held the whales to save the earth out of it.
He had to go back in time to give the foundry the formula to produce it. ;)

It was Startrek IV. As a bonus answer, the plexiglass used to make the tanks was 6 inches thick but the transparent aluminum would only have to be 1 inch thick to do the same job.

Not to dampen the enthusiasum for this material, I'll wait for the rest of the spec's. Things like in what way is it stronger?? By mass? Aluminum can already be said to be that. By hardness? Bend resistance.
Tensile strength? Yield? Notch test? Elongation? fatique? Work hardening?
And a bunch of other things that define a matirial.
The other thing that they elude to, This is more ceramic then metal.

RG you are right, I forgot. They couldn't make the ali fast enough but he traded the formula in order to get the guy to do the plexiglass right away. :)
As another bonus, he was shocked that he could not talk to the computer, he had to type. See if that was only this many years later he could have just spoken to it. :eek:

According to a post at Slashdot (News for Nerds) this is not transparent aluminum but transparent Alumina, which is aluminum oxide - Al2-O3..

This thread is turning into a general trash forumn

RP,

We can sure tell Mazda is in bed with FoMoCo, their dealership service SUCKS.

But, then what do you expect when you pay a fella $12 to diagnose and repair something that takes well over an hour when the door rate is $115 for that hour.

I don't now which tech you've been talking to that gets paid $12/hr, unless its a rookie, in that case I don't want him touching my car.

True it's not true aluminum as one would hope, but hey, ya gotta start somewhere.

What with man made diamonds getting bigger we might get nanomachines working sometime soon and then any material imaginable is possible.

uhh guys they've been using something very similar to the tranparent aluminum link above for some time on certain aircraft and on tanks blast shields..

Just so you know Aluminum oxide (alumina aka sapphires and rubies ) is one of the hardest materials known to man. diamonds are 4 times harder though. but nowhere near as durable. Alumina has been being formed with boron and tungsten carbides for a long time into "windows" and stuff for military applications. Aluminum doesn't "rust" because it encases itself in aluminum oxide which is so very hard and almost impervious. Just don't get any liquid mercury near it ( or just about any other metal.. as it will turn to powder in very short notice.

enough of that though, where's this supercharger already :)

Ohhhhh, :eek:

Is this thread about Axial Superchargers? :rolleyes:

Ohhhhh, :eek:

Is this thread about Axial Superchargers? :rolleyes:

You mean there are two yellow 8's in Oz? :confused:

There will be supercharger news in the next few weeks, we are going to put some time into it starting now. :D Now that the test bench is about to run there can be real endurance testing and the ability to step test and hold readings. This was something we lacked. We tested the RPM range and it will duplicate the 8's rev range from 3500 to 9000 without a pulley change. :cool: Big help.

Thanks for the update RP.

Yeah not many of us own Yellow RX-8's glad to see you got the colour choice correct though. It says a lot about a man by the colour car he chooses ie; bold, creative, aggressive, fun etc, etc.

Joe

Has this even been mounted on the car yet i lost interest when we got to the thirty something page :p Anyways i remember the unit was posted and it looked great i would really like to see this thing in action SO RICHARD GET TO WORK !!!!! :D

smrx8 --
You recently installed nitrous, right?

Look forward to your supercharged/nitrous setup.

Thanks for the update RP.

Yeah not many of us own Yellow RX-8's glad to see you got the colour choice correct though. It says a lot about a man by the colour car he chooses ie; bold, creative, aggressive, fun etc, etc.

Joe

last one on the lot.... also happened to be the cheapest deal. but It's grown on me so much. I like it now. I like not blending in and standing out... usually.

now all we need is the supercharger and a hood like that white mazda speed prototype and I'll be set.

http://images.rotarynews.com/images/MazdaSpeedRX-8/images/dsc01564.jpg

smrx8 --
You recently installed nitrous, right?

Look forward to your supercharged/nitrous setup.



yep just not interested in turbo yet .the only one i wanted was the ssr one but there over there head on the price money is not a problem but to me its just not worth it.looking into supercharger again if the price is right.

My main reasoning on holding out for a supercharger is that we'll see all the idiots blow thier engines on cheap/crazy turbo kits now. We'll have a good handle on what the engine can take and we'll start having some engnes with significant mileage by the time a handful of superchargers hit the market. Hopefully by then the ecu will be settled out and fully hacked and tuned. About this time next year things should fall together nicely.

last one on the lot.... also happened to be the cheapest deal. but It's grown on me so much. I like it now. I like not blending in and standing out... usually.

now all we need is the supercharger and a hood like that white mazda speed prototype and I'll be set.

http://images.rotarynews.com/images/MazdaSpeedRX-8/images/dsc01564.jpg
Not to derail the thread too much, but if you find that hood+body kit, PLEASE PM me and let me know! I've been drooling over it since I saw it...if I had the money I'd find a customizer to create a mold and then maybe even try and sell them.

are you calling Greddy turbo owners idiots??????? :eek:
Cuz that's the only "cheap/crazy turbo kit" right now.
I don't know about blowing engines with Greddy will be that easy, as most of them are running low boost.


My main reasoning on holding out for a supercharger is that we'll see all the idiots blow thier engines on cheap/crazy turbo kits now. We'll have a good handle on what the engine can take and we'll start having some engnes with significant mileage by the time a handful of superchargers hit the market. Hopefully by then the ecu will be settled out and fully hacked and tuned. About this time next year things should fall together nicely.

are you calling Greddy turbo owners idiots??????? :eek:
Cuz that's the only "cheap/crazy turbo kit" right now.
I don't know about blowing engines with Greddy will be that easy, as most of them are running low boost.


no I mean the inevitable fools who boost way more than they should and blow them up.

I'd get a turbo, but the price/performance just isn't there yet. There's much more to be made from this mtor and I'll wait until the aftermarket is there.

Not to derail the thread too much, but if you find that hood+body kit, PLEASE PM me and let me know! I've been drooling over it since I saw it...if I had the money I'd find a customizer to create a mold and then maybe even try and sell them.My 15y/o resident car expert assures me that it's a one off by MazdaDesign of Irvine, CA, so no joy. Seems like the Knight Sports or Amemiya come the closest. I'd bet that having a quality MazdaDesign knock-off couldn't hurt sales of the AFS, though! (How would you deal with those integrated fog lamps?) I'd be first in line for both, now that we've been assured that our off-supercharger mileage won't suffer, much!! :D Isn't that hood scoop right out of "War of the Worlds"?!!

not to be a stick in the mud.. but is thread ever gonna get back to being about the AFS??
Btw.. how is it going RAP??

LittleJohn--
Post 1966 gives you an update which is only a few days old.

LittleJohn--
Post 1966 gives you an update which is only a few days old.
Yeah... I read that one..
I was just shit stirring a bit :D

Patience is of the virtue, besides it's not like i have the cash to buy it atm :o

Once he gets the car fixed, he'll get back on the project. Until the car works, there is no point going any farther. It is supposed to go back in the shop tomorrow and hopefully be fixed by next week.

not to be a stick in the mud.. but is thread ever gonna get back to being about the AFS??
Btw.. how is it going RAP??

Richard, did you ever get a confirmed diagnosis on your car's HP problem?

Yeah... I read that one..
I was just shit stirring a bit :D

Patience is of the virtue, besides it's not like i have the cash to buy it atm :oI do have the cash to buy it, plus the custom body kit, if someone makes it available.

The car goes in today, I think. That means if my appointment stays valid, waiting to hear from my man right now. Well maybe not yet it is a little early here.

My 15y/o resident car expert assures me that it's a one off by MazdaDesign of Irvine, CA, so no joy. Seems like the Knight Sports or Amemiya come the closest. I'd bet that having a quality MazdaDesign knock-off couldn't hurt sales of the AFS, though! (How would you deal with those integrated fog lamps?) I'd be first in line for both, now that we've been assured that our off-supercharger mileage won't suffer, much!! :D Isn't that hood scoop right out of "War of the Worlds"?!!
:( I don't like those body kits...and the hood is the best part of that car. The fog lights do look bad ass as well, however. I don't think they be hard to deal with, though, just fab the front end of the kit to have the mounts. It would cost more, however...I'm sure its doable, I just don't know who to go to. Hell, if I could get some sales lined up, maybe I'll hit up a bank, find a fabricator, make a deal and get a loan to do it....maybe I'd even make some cash in the process or at least pay for my own kit. Hummmm...ideas, ideas....

Anyone in the Jersey area know of someone who could pull this off?

Sorry thread...back on topic :(

Hi All,
I'm sorry for asking that stupid question - I'm sure it was discussed before but I just can't find it in 100+ pages...
What is the power and torque targets of this axial flow supercharger kit?
What is the target price?

Thank you
Ted

Ok, just to back up the dyno runs I bought a new G tech and made some runs with it. I didn't have the room for a q-mile but did some 0-60 runs. the best I got was 7.37 sec. What is the standard number for others? I'm sure this is slow, I could improve it a bit with driving style once i get used tio the car. BTW I had to shift way low to get this number. I can't say exactly where I shifted but just from instinct it was low, maybe 8000 or less. When the car stops pulling I can't make myself keep going I just shift. It's built in after a lot of years of racing. In fact when racing except maybe for top gear you don't use the tach.

I don't know how the G tech compares to magazine times so I'd rather know what other 8 owners get with their G tech. I think magazine times are about 1 second less then what I got.

It was slower with the traction control on. Is that normal?

Hi All,
I'm sorry for asking that stupid question - I'm sure it was discussed before but I just can't find it in 100+ pages...
What is the power and torque targets of this axial flow supercharger kit?
What is the target price?

Thank you
Ted



I'd like all of them to be high. ;) :D

My car doesn't "stop pulling" until it hit the limiter. The may power right to redline. In fact, unless I am a total tosser, my instinct is they feel so good up top like they just keep wanting to go, and you hit the limiter when you feel like it could keep going. I guess it is a rotary thing ;)

I reckon there is a problem. They should do 0-60MPH in the low-mid 6's.

Cheers,
Hymee.

My car doesn't "stop pulling" until it hit the limiter. The may power right to redline. In fact, unless I am a total tosser, my instinct is they feel so good up top like they just keep wanting to go, and you hit the limiter when you feel like it could keep going. I guess it is a rotary thing ;)

I reckon there is a problem. They should do 0-60MPH in the low-mid 6's.

Cheers,
Hymee.




And with your exhaust it should be a sec quicker still, right? ;)

Really though the thing just doesn't want to pull to redline. That brings up another point, you'd think the dealer would notice that. If they drive them every day they should know where the power is. That brings again the point, how many owners are out there with less power then even what they are shipped with. How do they know? I can assume there are no owners on this forum who would not notice the power falling off before redline. At least they haven't said anything.........wait a minuite....there is a thread on that. Loosing power at 7000 or something like that. It's under problems section, I think. Hmmmmmmmm

Talking about exhausts... For those of you who didn't see the other thread Richard started...

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=62693

Thanks, Mate!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Ok, just to back up the dyno runs I bought a new G tech and made some runs with it. I didn't have the room for a q-mile but did some 0-60 runs. the best I got was 7.37 sec. What is the standard number for others? I'm sure this is slow, I could improve it a bit with driving style once i get used tio the car. BTW I had to shift way low to get this number. I can't say exactly where I shifted but just from instinct it was low, maybe 8000 or less. When the car stops pulling I can't make myself keep going I just shift. It's built in after a lot of years of racing. In fact when racing except maybe for top gear you don't use the tach.

I don't know how the G tech compares to magazine times so I'd rather know what other 8 owners get with their G tech. I think magazine times are about 1 second less then what I got.

It was slower with the traction control on. Is that normal?


Gtech Pro RR gave us some quite nice numbers in 0-60 time....
Many many runs and some 8s with catalytic converter+pipe+catbacks hit some good 6.1-4...I have some sheets if someone wants to see...The 8s who made that times had both trust titanium catbacks,n flash,both ms flywheel,the one ms disks and one rmagic catalytic system and the other supercat if i remember correctly..
They both made same numbers in a couple of runs..

Hay rp what mods on the 8 you run with???It seems low..Have you calibrate your gtech right???

Hey i am going to forget the na soon and i really like to know when this sc will hit the market....????
And can we get more than 60whp and good torque gain in the low with that kit??Just estimate rp!!

Sorry i only read 50 or so pages...Don't flame me!! :D

From what I understand, boost comes on linearly with this supercharger. So the overall feel of the car (linear power climb) should remain relatively unchanged. There'll just be progressively more power throughout the rev range. While some torque down low would be very nice, the size, weight, apparent ease of installation, and efficiency of this unit are what attract me to it. You could probably say that the boost curve would be somewhere between a positive displacement unit and a centrifugal one. The first being a flat boost curve and the second being exponential. So you get an easily usable power band and a decent gain up top. And with the atomized fuel delivery through the blades, efficiency can be very high.

For a smaller thread and a good explanation of what's going on inside the sc'r. Visit s2ki.com and search for axial flow.

Richard
over 7's are in the automatic rx8 territory.
I know what you mean by shifting! Now with the light flywheel the tac in the lower gears is almost useless---it winds up to fast---ahead of the tac!
Listen and feel the car dude.
Olddragger

Almost a week without a post from Richard. Getting AFS thread withdrawl syndrome... :(

Richard, are you:

A) Having a blast thrashing your 8 around (assuming your hi RPM power issue is sorted out)

B) So dissatified in the 8's power that you're spending night and day getting the AFS hooked up.

C) In jail, for performing grevious bodily harm to a Mazda service representative you told you "All RX-8 do that. It's perfectly normal"?

D) Given up and moved to Australia, destined to spend the rest of your days drinking beer and watching 8's whiz by with Hymee Enhanced stickers on them.

Let's get this thread back up on the top of the page where it belong with an nice update from Richard.

Almost a week without a post from Richard. Getting AFS thread withdrawl syndrome... :(

Richard, are you:

A) Having a blast thrashing your 8 around (assuming your hi RPM power issue is sorted out)

B) So dissatified in the 8's power that you're spending night and day getting the AFS hooked up.

C) In jail, for performing grevious bodily harm to a Mazda service representative you told you "All RX-8 do that. It's perfectly normal"?

D) Given up and moved to Australia, destined to spend the rest of your days drinking beer and watching 8's whiz by with Hymee Enhanced stickers on them.

Let's get this thread back up on the top of the page where it belong with an nice update from Richard.


Good group of answers. :D
A) As you say, no hi end power makes a little less fun. :(

B) I'm unhappy but still can't put a SC on it until the base is correct. :mad:

C) I've learned restraint in my old age. But just bearly. :rolleyes:

D) Now this makes the most sense, I think I could learn to like that rum Hymee is so fond of. The beaches, The bitches, lots of fun drinking mates what else could I really want. :D :cool: :eek:

I just don't think I could keep up with their alcohol intake.
And they have tons of shellfish to excite my gout. :eek:
I could lay around on the beach in major pain the rest of my life.
I couldn't walk or move any major joints. I'd be the life of the party.

Just for everyone else who asks the question: how much compression.
This is the factory graph, it takes into account leakdown by knowing cranking speed. There are other things to know, like it takes a special tool to get the comp for each seal. Use it if you can.

Richard,
The other day I found a book at my parents house written by Pat Ganahl about supercharging (I must have bought this about 15 - 20 years ago, but didn't remember). Anyway (to my surprise) it mentioned you with the axial flow supercharger and that you were involved with Formula 1. Is this true or did that guy mix something up?

Richard,
The other day I found a book at my parents house written by Pat Ganahl about supercharging (I must have bought this about 15 - 20 years ago, but didn't remember). Anyway (to my surprise) it mentioned you with the axial flow supercharger and that you were involved with Formula 1. Is this true or did that guy mix something up?


I think that at that point in time Pat didn't know the difference between open wheel formula cars. I actually ran F/Atlantic here and the Canadian series as far as Newfoundland. I drove other road race cars on a one off ride basis though.
Also I raced drag cars, boats (Drag and Endurance) and Bonniville. On top of that I built almost all of them and the engines. Exceptions for the one off rides that is.

Today I doubt a person could do all that as things are so specialzed with chassis and engines it takes a development team for each to be competetive. Even the Atlantic circut these days takes a crew of 20 and a full back up car. There was no way that kind of money was available in the '70's.

Gilles Vellenuve was the best funded driver when I ran and he shared a back up car and a crew of maybe 5. No semi just an open trailer stacked with two cars.
They've come a long way. For the best, I don't know. Hard for a little guy to get started now. For sure no one who runs his own shop and builds things. I helped fund my racing by making parts for others. I even made my own wheels, bodies, wishbones, halfshafts, radiators, dry sumps and more.

I even built my own tub twice. I used March bulkheads and modified their design.

So if Pat was confused it is understandable, he had seen all the stuff in the shop.

Well, I thought you could have been involved in Formula 1 as a supplier of parts, but I doubted it, since F1 was always more a British/European than an American thing.

Considering the fact that you were racing on your own budget is actually more impressive.
In addition, you survived. Gilles Villeneuve and many others didn't make it, as car racing back then wasn't obviously as safe as it is now.

Bonneville is that land speed record thing, right? What speed records did you aim at?

Any updates Richard?

Are all the regulars on vacation? haha

Until the engine issues Richard's car has get fixed, we won't see much. The blower is waiting to go on the car for mockup and testing. The engine isn't being very cooperative and Mazda isn't being terribly quick to find the answer.

That's right, what RG said. I can't use this car for development until it is right. Mazda knows who I am and what I intend to do. Therefore if they wait long enough I'll void my warrenty all by myself. So this car is usless to me right now.

If I SC this car and have less then the best results due to it's organic problems how can I advertise it?
Since the compression is down below spec it does not lend itself to supercharging. If there is seal leakage now what happens when I increase the pressure?

The whole ball is in Mazdas hands now. I have made progress though but it will never get up to where it should be. I have it reving now but not real willingly.
Even giving it all the credit I can the power curve is still wrong, it doesn't look like everyone elses.

I have a dyno from a forum member who used this same dyno and it makes more power and the curve looks right. So it's not the dyno. I've run it twice and have seen better numbers but it still is down and doesn't curve right. And it's intermitant.

Fred, I'd like to find a way to get this curve to you. My scanner doesn't work, do you have a fax?

Damn...sounds like you need a volunteer to trade cars with for a while. If I didn't live so far away...I could drive the banana for a while :D

^^^Well....post 2005 :D If we started at 0...and posted once a year ....we'd be where we are today :D