I used to think bureau13's avitar was the best looking on the forum until I found out about Kari. :D That is no milk bone. ;)

Kari looks better in person than in her avatar!

We've deviated from the main topic again. :)

small price to pay. ;)

Mr. Paul, congradulations on 100 pages. Did I see in your last post that you are making this "carb" legal. If so that's great!!! I didn't know you had a short shifter. Guess I'll have to do a search for it. I'm guessing it's been getting great reviews since others are recommending it. BTW, I'd also like to say thank you for investing so much on this project. I can't wait till it's done and one of these is in my RX8. :cool:

It is weird how something so small can make such a big change in how the car drives and feels. No matter what I end up doing with this car, I think Richard's shifter will be one of the best things I will have done. If you want a quick, easy mod that makes a huge difference, this is the one.

Richard... I had a good feeling on the Mega Millions here in Tx the week. Thought you were going to get my car and some Sponsorship for the AFSC....Damn my luck!

Well I don't look better than my avatar, but the dog certainly does!

jds

Kari looks better in person than in her avatar!

We've deviated from the main topic again. :)

It is a paradox, I love dogs but I love women more. Yet my brain tells me that the dog will always be more loyal to me. He will always love me, always tell the truth, never cheat on me. He will spend very little of my money. In his eyes I will always be the most fabulous human there is. His biggest demand is to scratch his ears. :D

TexasKyle, You're supposed to post that on the shifter installed thread. We need some publisity, I didn't sell any today. :mad:

I met kari too, definitely a cutie there!

Kari looks better in person than in her avatar!

We've deviated from the main topic again. :)

Well I've never met her but she is the only woman I could look in the eye and tell her I love her for her brains. :cool:

intelligent, articulate and attractive. in that order. the horror.


beers

Forget the dogs and women, let's get back to superchargers. :)

Richard, you mentioned that the bend inside the AFS was the critical design factor. Comparing the AFS to the compressor section of a jet engine, I can't see where there are major bends in the airflow. Except for being mashed by the rotor blades and getting straighten out by the vanes, the air flow goes in the front and comes out the back. Where in the path does the internal bend come in?

When it goes out. It can't go where the pulley and gears are. It has to make a turn and go out the side. So a ramped anular groove is cut around the gear case then out the side. This outlet can be timed in any of three places.

http://www.osmos-wheel.com/images/big/moto_p3435.jpg
If the axle wasn't in the center then the belt and gears could all be outside and then you wouldn't need a bend. :)

I'm sure that setup has less polar moment, doesn't run out more then .001, is cheaper and takes less room. And the axial clearance is less too, right. ;) ;) :rolleyes:

Richard,

Thanks for the explanation. When I read this thread, I think I'm looking over Frank Whittle's shoulder watching something historic happening. It is fascinating and exciting.

You may now return to the dogs and women discussion. I have one of each. One is a loyal, intelligent blond beauty who greets me by covering me in wet sloppy kisses. The other is... I think I will quit while I'm ahead. :)

Good thinking. ;)
Is the welcoming blond a Golden retriver or a Yellow lab?
I take it the other doesn't read the forum. It's good, mine doesn't either.

This brings up a question, should we be reading whatever forums they write into??? Hhhmmmm!!! Pondering the universe. :confused:

Everyone at once, check on your womans computer while she in the shower. If it is password protected, demand to know why. :(
This may prevent war. I know we really don't care, unlike they, but just this once for survival of the species. :eek:

be scared very scared.

turns out they are all hot lesbians.

in a good way.

beers
Good thinking. ;)
Is the welcoming blond a Golden retriver or a Yellow lab?
I take it the other doesn't read the forum. It's good, mine doesn't either.

This brings up a question, should we be reading whatever forums they write into??? Hhhmmmm!!! Pondering the universe. :confused:

Everyone at once, check on your womans computer while she in the shower. If it is password protected, demand to know why. :(
This may prevent war. I know we really don't care, unlike they, but just this once for survival of the species. :eek:

That would be OK as long as they brought their freinds home rather then go to their freinds house. ;)

I just finished reading the threads about Mr. Paul's short shifter. I'm sold. I didn't think that such a simple mod would be that significant to our already incredible driving experience. :eek: Too bad I'm all the way in Iraq or else I'd buy one of these today. :( It's a good pacifier until the AFSC is finished. BTW Mr. Paul are you going to design anything else for the RX8, ie...exhaust, header, flywheel ect...?

Blacklist, Thank you for serving our country. Don't forget to ask for military discount when you do order.
As to other Rx8 parts, besides the SC my next trick is a four way strut brace. I think I have a good idea that hasn't been tried yet. Then some anti wheelhop parts. Don't know what that will consist of though as we haven't studied it, just know it needs to be done.

Ooh, anti-wheel-hop parts! The FD guys' ears may perk up too, I wonder how different the design effort would be for the two cars.

jds

I think you will find the 8 is harder to fix. Justtake a look at the shell with the large openings for the doors. What you have is a shoe box with the sidewalls cut out. Not much of a structure. We know Mazda was aware of this when they designed the car. They put alot of work into it to get as far as it is. But whats good enough for the normal owner isn't up to performance work. This will always be the case with production cars. No factory will make the effert and spend the money to overbuild a car.

The consumer will always find a way to exceed the limit. Itis just that the limit isn't very high on the 8. The only real fix would be a roll cage that links everything together. This means front to rear suspension, just like a NASCAR entree. This will not be practical for most owners. So the fix is somewhere in between. Bracing the shock towers seems to help. But there needs to be more conection, frame togetherness so to speak. The undercarrage braces I have seen don't look like they are going to get the job done.

I'm not saying I have an answer, I just understand the problem and will look at it.
There may not be any aftermarket cure short of the rollbar install. Body reinforcement is not practical unless you strip down to a bare shell and weld in more sheetmetal. That would be a case for the pro rally car. They then would add the cage and have a real race chassis.

There has to be something we can find to stop at least some of the wind up.
Some high speed camera work might help find some points. Sounds like something for Charles Hill to try. He has all the temperment assets for such a challange. But anyone can do it and we might have to be the ones.
Anyway I think once our own car is supercharged we are going to have to solve some body problems.

Is it just my computer, or have there really not been updates on any of the major horsepower upgrade threads for 6 days or so?

Richard, I have a few questions...

1, homogenization. Will there be any issue involving the fact that the pre-SC portion of fuel will be homogenized, whereas the stock injectors' fuel will not be homogenized? For instance, how much of the final chamber mixture will remain homogenized after passing through the injector spray?

I'll save the other homogenization question for later

2, ignoring for a moment whether the unit is rear or front inlet, is placement mostly determined by the belt?

Is it just me, or is this a AFSC thread.....or is it about MIlk????

More than would if it was not prehomoginized.
2. ??????????? the belt is in front. The inlet can go front or rear, at the design point.

So could a rear-inlet unit be placed where the stock airbox is located, so that the rear inlet is facing forward and the front of the unit is facing the rear of the car? It seems like you wouldnt have to move the throttle around that way. on paper at least.

Wouldn't you have to move the TB further? It would be in front of the car on the inlet side. Remember this is a draw through system. Plus there would be no room for the MAF which is before the TB. On top of all that there is a need to have straight tube for a certain distance before and after the MAF so turbulence does not effect the readings.

Life would be easier if all that large tube was not nessasary.

hey richard- do you have any pics of and AFS installed in a car? i know you dotn have the exact intallation in the rx-8 worked out - but im jsut trying to visualize how it might go.

^- Or do you have one in your own car that you can share a pic of? :)

The only cars that are running around with my SC on them are V8 style with the big unit. I posted that blower before but maybe not on a car. I'll post the engine again now and look for some auto installs. I bought a scanner so I guess I could hook it up and scan some in.

Now what you really want is coming soon. I will be installing one in my own 8 shortly. That blower is about to be assembled maybe even today. for sure this week. We have a new test bench about to be assembled, the new motor is to be here this week. It has a vari drive that will help us a lot during testing. It is 20 hp with an output speed of 5000 to 11000.

So the first order of buisness is to build a bench to hold and drive things. Then mount the test instrements. This setup will allow endurance testing to be done without puting it in a car. Nothing beats actual in the car testing of course but here is the difference between me and the others. I have to develop the compressor also, not just the kit.

To me the kit and car come as the easy part. Let me get the hard part over with. If you think about it I'm not doing that bad. I've only been working on this design for less then a year. I know to you it seems that it is taking forever but it is really quick.

It should have a car fitting in the next month to six weeks. As soon as I can get a mock up I'll feed the sharks with some pictures. That seems to work, it gave Hymee a break for awhile. Say, he's about due for some cage rattling isn't he??
His car is always clean too. Ihatethebastard. ;) ;) :p

thanks richard:)

Yeah, thanks for the update!

Now this is GTG. I was having a bad day today and this just made me feel 200% better. Mr Paul I thank you. Seeing as how I'm not going anywhere for a while I guess I'll grab a snickers, sit back, and wait for those pics and some results. Again Mr. Paul you have no idea of how much this has made my day. Thank you. :)

Richard, did you finally get your car?

Hmmm interesting both supercharged system albeith different will be completed around the same time .

The HYMSTER /Dr PHIL TWIN SCREW SUPERCHARGER / Or the RICHARD PAUL AXIAL FLOW SUPERCHARGER . :cool: decisions decisions ;)

Richard is hymee going to be your agent for your system here in Australia ???or would that be construed as a conflict of interests as your both going for the same market / buyers .

So far on name alone id have to go for the TWIN SCREW TYPE :D J/K

CHEERS
MICHAEL

So far on name alone id have to go for the TWIN SCREW TYPE :D J/K


Axial is more like a rim job whereas twin screw sounds like 2 porn stars.

Axial is more like a rim job whereas twin screw sounds like 2 porn stars.

Id rather have two FEMALE PORN STARS giving me a rim job :cool: then bending over biting a pillow and getting up the rear orifice by a male with or without a big Dildo :eek: :o ouch ouch ouch

cheers
michael

So would I!

I have my fingers on two cars right now, we shall see which one comes through.

As to selling in Oz, I feel that you guys down under are such a band of brothers that one of you would have to pissed at Hymee to buy from someone outside your island. :rolleyes:

Just from interacting and reading your jabs and nit picking with each other I don't think an outsider has a chance. :rolleyes: I have become quite freindly with Hymee over the last many months and would almost feel guilty if I sold a blower there. Notice I said ALMOST, so don't rule it out. ;)
Hymee and I are going to have a few drinks together in a couple of months and if something comes from that (other than hangovers) we will let you know.
Hymee is curently selling the shit out of my shifters down there. Yet I doubt that would be the case if he were making a competetive product. :cool:

My personal philosiphy on buisness is that I fight like hell to get the sale but once the sale is made it is to everyones advantage to help see to it that competetors sale was satasfactory. That means it is to no ones advantage for me not to help out aftersales for the other guy. So if Hymee has a problem with his stuff here in the states I will be happpy to help out.

I'm not going out and saying his junk is better then my high tech beautifull turbine technology and workmanship. Just to give him some help with all the failures. ;) ;) ;)

Here's one for you yarumswiggingbastard.

"As to selling in Oz, I feel that you guys down under are such a band of brothers that one of you would have to pissed at Hymee to buy from someone outside your island. "(quote) RP

Like a song by Normie Rowe says says "It aint necessarily so "while we have a obvious loyalty to a home made product there is plenty of members that have bought swaybars from racing beat , brake pads and exhaust systems from other well known brands .Japanese , American etc

We all admire and respect the HYMSTER/Dr phil for what they have done and doing for our RX8 here in Australia however id say most of us would consider every product on its own merrits .

The old Australian adage of giving everyone a fair go would apply. ;)

Also dont forget there are a lot of potential customers who have never heard of Hymee Enhanced products who dont frequent the forum but drive RX8'S

cheers
michael

What is all that dirty, dirty talk about? How can anything be more sensuous sounding then Axial Flow. It has such romance, so smooth, it flows from the tounge almost Itailian like. :D

While Twin Screw does infact sound like a porno show. They both have there place but some of us need to raise our class out of the 42nd St. pit.
I'll be the first to admit that they might reconize my face on 42nd but not in later life. I just used up all my credit down there and they will not renew my visa. :o

Thus I became the smooth, clean, craby old man that I am. :cool:
Dirty mouth and dirty fingernails are a thing of the past, just like positive displacment blowers. :p

Michael, it's all tounge in cheek. Jest. I just want in on some of the fun you Aussies have with each other. :D Life is to short to allow commerce to interfere with humor and fun. Don't beat your head against the wall when you could be enjoying yourself, for the sake of a buck. :)

That's probably why all my bucks have left me. But I have the old storys, the pictures and the tee shirts.

Richard

I spent 23 years in real estate chassing the $$$$$ it nearly killed me , i have been semi retired for 12 years playing Landlord , luckily for every 50 properties i sold i would try and also buy one 15 -20 years later inflation has taken care of the rest . :D
So now i have nothing to do but play with my RX8 , GET TEMPTED BY YOUNG PUSSY AND DRINK RUM AND BEERS ;) I KNOW ITS A HARD JOB BUT HEY SOMEONE HAS TO HAVE FUN . :D

cheers
michael

twin screw = Pamela Anderson

axial flow = Angelina Jolie

thats just my opinion, i could be wrong.

beers

twin screw = Pamela Anderson

axial flow = Angelina Jolie

thats just my opinion, i could be wrong.

beers
I'd give Angelina a go over Pamela any day of the week :p

Thanks for the updates Richard, can't wait for some pictures :D Good luck with the car purchasing.

So what your saying Michael, is that you are where Rotarygod is aspiring to be. :cool:

Swoop, I think you have the idea. I might have picked different examples but they would repesent the same faction. :rolleyes:

So what your saying Michael, is that you are where Rotarygod is aspiring to be. :cool:

Swoop, I think you have the idea. I might have picked different examples but they would repesent the same faction. :rolleyes:

hey there is an e in swoope, and i would love to see your names for what i put forth. btw, damn you and the bad gas mileage. THANKS!!!!!

beers

So what your saying Michael, is that you are where Rotarygod is aspiring to be. :cool:


I'm not quite sure how to take that youcrankyoldbastard!

Micheal, I think you have the wrong idea as to the activity that term rim job represents.
I don't know what book you can look it up in but someone else must know the reference manual to find.

The terminology we use is rimming , thats when a nice obliging young lady does a porting type of job ;) with her tongue on your anus :D unkess you have had these pleasures bestowed upon your virgin anus you havent fully lived .

cheers
michael

This thread has truly hit a new low!

sorry for not reading the last 100+ pages...
when is it ready and how much?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rim+job&r=f

There you go Richard :p

twin screw = Pamela Anderson

axial flow = Angelina Jolie

thats just my opinion, i could be wrong.

beers

In that case, I would like an axial flow driving a twin screw while I do whatever :D

axial flow super dis-charger?

Absolutly nothing shocks or embarases me but we are getting into real virgin underbelly fraternity house personality deveopment. I'm guilty of particapating in it's growth on my own thread. I'm going to go back and see if I can edit some of my entry so as not to be on the record here.

L&L and RG did it. :p

Fred, I ment your working your ass off in the RE market making alot of money so you can later in life relax and have some fun with your toys. It was ment in a good way, not negative. Just using the same road as he did. :cool:

Aoshi, I didn't need the reference, it was a joke. I helped write that book.
I also helped develop cast iron.

Glad I haven't missed much.

Hehehehe. Youdeviotbastards.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Absolutly nothing shocks or embarases me but we are getting into real virgin underbelly fraternity house personality deveopment. I'm guilty of particapating in it's growth on my own thread. I'm going to go back and see if I can edit some of my entry so as not to be on the record here.

L&L and RG did it. :p

Fred, I ment your working your ass off in the RE market making alot of money so you can later in life relax and have some fun with your toys. It was ment in a good way, not negative. Just using the same road as he did. :cool:

Aoshi, I didn't need the reference, it was a joke. I helped write that book.
I also helped develop cast iron.
I know Richard, but I felt I needed to contribute it anway. It seemed right to me, plus that damned website is hysterical. :p

L&L and RG did it. :eek:

Shucks "Dobbed in" again :D

cheers
michael

Now that Racing Beat is going to release their intake, I figured I'd invest in one. I'm also figuring that Richard Paul will come out soon with his SC. Now the question is am I waisting my money on the RB intake? Will it be superceeded by something from RP and the SC?

Yes it does look like we need the space where the air box goes. The aircleaner will have to go someplace else. When supercharged these intake systems become unnessasary and ineffective. I think that RB is going to include a new MAF with their kit. That might be a good thing as they must know something we do not, to go through all that trouble. All the talk about the srtock one causing the various power deltas experianced by 8 owners.

I have no real knowlage of these things, just repeating what has been reported here. We will be doing no testing of stock or aftermarket intakes. Our only concern will be with our own final results. If we find a new MAF is of value then we will make a determination as to the value vs cost at that time.

There needs to be some undisturbed air both before and after the MAF so room becomes a premium. That room has to come from the airbox. Another design airbox may be needed so as to fit someplace else for intake sound reasons.

We don't know yet how much noise an intake will make on the other side of the SC.

no new maf on the rb intake richard. you wouldnt happened to have found any pics that you could post? maybe you've been doing some sketching of the layout in the 8 on napkins or something that you could scan and post?

let me see if i have this straight. please richard correct me where i go wrong.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19275

in the above photo the "front" of your sc is where ther pulley is at the top of that pic. the rectangular opening is the air outlet. the "front" of your sc would face aft in the car. air would go in from the "bottom" in this pic and out the rectangular opening correct?

in this pic:

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19277

we are seeing the "rear" of your afs but it is the air inlet and would face forward in the car. there would be some type of flange attached to it which would then be attached to the mafs tube by probably a neoprene sleve and and clamps yes? you're going to draw thru the mafs, right?

The bottom picture is the rear of the supercharger where the inlet is. However, it faces towards the firewall and not the front of the car. Yes the maf and throttlebody will be drawn through.

i had the idea for some reason that it was going to blow at the TB. but that doesnt make sense when i say out loud. so it goes between the TB and the intake manifold.

Yep

Richard mentioned having to possibly moving the TB. so the TB may very well be bolted to the rear/inlet side

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19277

much like hymee's set up

http://www.hymee.com/rx8/images/dscn7060.jpg

yes?

Yes, RG has it right.

Didn't I read in the last update by RB that they were getting delivery of the MAF from a vender? Maybe I mis-read it.

Wait not to long my freinds I will get something to feed your hungry minds soon. :rolleyes:

I saw an eaton setup for the LS1 engine, and to keep the inlet at the front, near the normal TB position, they mounted the S/C "backwards" with the pulley to the rear, and had a lay-shaft run the length of the S/C!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Richard

Your home made designed S/C looks f$%^ng awesome i am sure its making the Mazda engineers envious :D man that looks small and neat as , :cool: now stop reading this tread and get back to work youoldcrankytalentedbastard.and finish it off ASAP.

cheers
michael

A layshaft, very British.

Hymee what is the extra TB on the rear of your blower? I take it the stock one is mounted more toward the center of the engine then there is a billet unit that seems to be diaphram operated??? :confused:

Bypass valve just like the Eatons.

Duuhhh

this was too far down the page and i found an interesting post from richard:

Hey Taka how far do you think that would be for me to go? I'd like to go with you guys. I could try out my products. Do they do those things around here?

In case you didn't get the hint, I found a car. All the hagaling and paper works not done yet but it looks close. I'm gona pay him his price if I have to 'cause I really want it. I like yellow and it's yellow. Has 6200 miles on it. 3 months old, guys getting a divorce. Fully virgin car, still has paper plate on it.

And they stoped making yellow, right. So it's rare, yes. I have no shifter to put in it, all out again!!!

Also bought a big drive for a new blower dyno, I'll get some pics. This thing was a hell of a find, a real 100% duty cycle unit. It has 20 hp with vari drive, two spindle out put, the high speed one goes 5000-11000 rpm. All in one big cast iron base, 1400lbs. The gearbox even has water jackets for coolant. I'll just build some brackets on it to test blowers. To bad your so far away Hymee or i'd let you borrow it. Be real interesting to see the difference between the two blowrs on the same test rig.

Do I sound excited??? Lots of projects now. Most of all Got to get myself a shifter built real quickly.

OOps! did I in my excitment hyjack your thread Taka? I'm sorry but I had to tell someone.

hehe

It is good isn't it? A race off between Hymee blower and AFE blower on the track. I will be the photographer on the day no doubt. I DO do good picture. Or at least I can get a pro to go there (he is a car nut too).

How exciting if RP is racing with Hymee LOL :D

It would be nice to have some results to take with me when we get together again next month Richard. :)

Cheers,
Mark.

Richard Paul

Great to hear you have got yourself a rare Lightining Yellow RX8 :cool: , to play around in , i have always been defending the Yellow as the best colour for our RX8 .

cheers
michael

So then the yellow is rare then? Is that why they dropped it, 'cause no one but L&L and myself wanted one? I know I don't see to many around here. The bad news is that the cops see it better. I've had a yellow 308 Ferrari and two yellow Corvettes. The Ferrari and the '81 Vette were really exceptionally good ones. I kept the 308 for 9 years and the Vette for 8 years. I gave the Vette to my oldest son for a wedding gift. The other yellow vette was just OK it was a '91. Vettes are good or bad and I've had an equal amount of each. 4 and 4. Actually that's debatable it might be 5 and 3, the good being 3.

So I think the yellow is lucky. Also I had a drag boat in yellow. A 1970 Hondo. That was a good boat, converted it over to a ski boat and still have it. Unfortunatly it needs full restoration now.

It also attracts bees, not to much problem in a car but in a boat it is, because your out in the wild sitting on shore of a lake. Don't know why that is but it is true.

Thanks guys, Richard

PS This means I'm official?

It is my understanding that Mazda traditionally only makes yellow in the first year (for sports cars) of a new model. They replaced the yellow with white for year 2.

You all must remember those little station wagons of the '70's. Seems they were all yellow and they made a couple of million of 'em. That's why they must have run out of yellow paint.

This means I'm official?
Yes, Richard is official!!!

While I didn't get an RX-8, I did get another (my 3rd) RX-7 today!

You all must remember those little station wagons of the '70's. Seems they were all yellow and they made a couple of million of 'em. That's why they must have run out of yellow paint.

pintos? pacers? vega wagon?

ha i was looking for a pic of the vega and i found this one of jungle jims car. he was a family freind back then. we used to go by his house sometimes and catch him at the track on weekends in the pits. my uncle turned wrenches for him for a while

love it.. I had a Very nice Vega !! hehe .. it was a V8 eater all the way.. except i buitl the Hell out of the $ banger and stuck side draft carbs on it.. man that was a fun car.. I finlly retierd it when the unibody starting showing sigens of streess.. Funny thing is.. the Vega and the Rx8 have lots in comment.. Body size .. Weight.. I always wanted to put the 280 z suspension in the vega and mid mount a Rotery !!

now i dont need to i have an rx8 hehehe..

where'd everyone go?

where'd everyone go?
I guess nothing new to talk about, at least for now. I'm sure Richard'll stir it up sometime in the near future with some random physics and blah blah that I don't quite understand :p Maybe he's playing with his 8, who knows? I guess time will tell. Richard, I don't know if you already have done it, but maybe you could post some pictures of your 8?

He created a wormhole effect and was sucked into the nexus

^^^ I hate it when that happens.

Let's see... Richard has a new RX-8 and a supercharger custom designed for it. And he's not on his computer.... What *could* he be doing?!??

I know what I'd be doing!! :D

And I wouldnt be back till monday...if only i had a supercharger..I would be doing the same thing!!

Come out Come out wherever you are..........

any estimates on when the supercharger will be ready for sale?

Late summer is my guess

have they posted any dyno #s now that they have a working product to play with?

also any word on price?

Sorry if it has already been posted, but I can't read through 106 pages to find out...not in the mood to make my eyes bleed!

No and No.

As far as I know, he's still working on designing how the device will fit under the hood, after that he'll have the fuel management to worry about.

Price, I don't think he's given any estimates. I wouldn't expect it to be 3k (too cheap for his R&D) and I wouldn't expect it to be $15k (too expensive to sell any units) :D

This should end up being more costly as compared to other FI solutions out there. However, you'll get a unique, custom designed product and excellent craftmanship.

you guys keep this up and richard's never going to see the yellow vega and jungle jims car i posted on the previous page :(

so whats the news then?

I got a yellow car, and i like the sound of a supercharger!

No and No.

As far as I know, he's still working on designing how the device will fit under the hood, after that he'll have the fuel management to worry about.

Price, I don't think he's given any estimates. I wouldn't expect it to be 3k (too cheap for his R&D) and I wouldn't expect it to be $15k (too expensive to sell any units) :D

This should end up being more costly as compared to other FI solutions out there. However, you'll get a unique, custom designed product and excellent craftmanship.

i would also guess that the supercharger is an easier install, so money would be saved there...

another perk would be the fact that the supercharger has a better chance of passing emissions than the greddy.

do we have any idea as to how much boost is going to be run? will we hopfully see similar power to the greddy?

Also, if the SC wont pass emissions (which it may not here in houston), it should be a lot easier to put it back stock to get past the inspection......We have to do it every year here.

anyone have any idea on how many hours the install would take?

Also, if the SC wont pass emissions (which it may not here in houston), it should be a lot easier to put it back stock to get past the inspection......We have to do it every year here.
It is very easy to pass emissions here. They don't do a visual inspection. All they do is plug the car into the OBDII port under the dash. If there are no CEL's, you pass.

I was just discussing passing emissions on the phone today with a well-known shop. I was informed that with any forced induction on the 8, it will trip a CEL and therefore passing emissions in regards to the OBDII plug-in will be very difficult. The mass air sensor was specifically mentioned in the explanation.

I thought so far everyone with FI has not had lasting CEL issues and if there is no visual inspection, there shouldn't be a problem passing emissions?

Can anyone explain this?

I haven't done this yet so take what I say with that in mind. I'm speaking for my system only, a draw through. The MAF itself has no way of knowing that there is a supercharger on the car. It only flows the air that the engine demands. Only if it is programed to yell if more mass goes through the they thought would, will it report a CEL.
I have to believe that some sensor or combination of sensors will detect something askew. That will have to be something we trick it into forgetting about. I can't say what it will be because like I said we haven't done it yet. But The way I plan on doing it the stock maps will remain intact. If this method works then there will be no CEL and the car will run exactly the way it did until it goes positive in the manifold.
My SC is the only one that can do it this way as we will not bother the stock injectors. By using two new injectors on the inlet of the blower we will get the advantage of exceptional mixing and distribution. Added to this we reduce the temp of the intake charge without an IC. These things will not be viable with other types of blowers. In fact the turbos are push through, only Hymee and myself use draw through.
Hymee's is a screw type and not condusive for passing fuel. It can, but it will not homonginize it with the air. Too much surface area to sheet the fuel on.
They do it on dragsters but efficincy is not the goal in a drag race. They like to burn up 7 gallons every quarter mile. :eek:

Wouldn't it work to also remove the drive belt and reset the ECU for purposes of emissions tests only?

CRH

richard, any ballpark idea of what kind of intake temps we're looking at?

Wouldn't it work to also remove the drive belt and reset the ECU for purposes of emissions tests only?

CRH

No! The SC is idling in the partial vacuume that exists between the TB and the intake ports. The ECU does not know it is there. Nothing has changed as far as it is concerned. I'm not planing on changing the ECU programing.
This may not work exactly like I plan but it is my target. So far no one can come up with a reason why this will not work. In fact the extra nozzles don't come on until boost is there and most of the time that will be in open loop. If not that might be something to change. But I think the point of open loop is designed to fit the EPA cycle.

Now the CARB tests do not exactly match the EPA. They couldn't because there is a lot more requirments like cold start and evaporation.
I'm real excited over this style of tune as it gives me that advantage. I' m just looking for a controler that is not to pricey. I had hopes for the E manage with the optional nozzle harness but they don't seem interested in talking to me.

That Australian unit that Hymee runs on his car interests me but it is too much money. Plus they are in some sort of reorganization. Of course if price didn't matter we could use the Motec. It might be that I build a unit myself, copying what I likeabout each of the others. I have a racing freind who is capable of doing that.

What the hell did I just say? That's the sort of thinking that gets me in trouble. If I don't like it, I'll do it myself. Now I know everyone does not wait around for me to develope another product. I've come to realize that now. Just thinking out loud, don't worry.

Intake temps?? Well my units normally add about 70 F. On this system I'm looking at getting under ambiant. I have to run the caalcs on the latent heat of evaporation fo this set up and when I do I'll give you the answers. We were just going over the equation for this today. Still need to look a few more things up to finish it. Then estimate the mass flows. Since it's not really something we need to finish the product it is a minor priority.

At the moment we are building the new blower dyno. I took some pictures today but they were not good enough. I'll try again tomorrow. All you can really see right now is the basic drive unit. But it is impressive, weighs 1500lbs by itself with the speed adjuster and gearbox.

Richard Paul

"That Australian unit that Hymee runs on his car interests me but it is too much money. Plus they are in some sort of reorganization."( quote)

Hmmm was not aware that the Hymster had put a $$$$ value on his system , maybe you can fill us in :D

He is allways reorganizing something or someone ;) especially when hes playing pocket billiards j/k ;)

cheers
michael

i'm just really really curious to see what this would do on my fd. turbos are cool and all that, but i wanted to try something a little different.

If intake temps become a slight problem under load there is always water/alcohol injection which has come back in vogue(?). And why the emphasis on the "No!", Rich?

J.K.
CRH

L&L I ment his piggyback controler, not his SC system. I think it's called TSI.

CRH, I don't know why I wrote it that way but there is nothing to be had by taking the belt off. I mean really nothing. It can't change a thing. The engine has no idea that it is there. By running in a vacuume it consumes no power, it is not blocking the exhaust or intake in any way.
Besides it will probably be running off the same belt as the AC. I know that is the losded belt but I believe it turns off when the engine is fully loaded. It reads that load by manifold vac. So when it goes positive the belt is only running the SC. :cool:

Port hacker, You and Rotarygod both. :cool:

Richard Paul

especially when hes playing pocket billiards j/k ;)

cheers
michael


Yes, I heard that about him. :D

...but I believe it turns off when the engine is fully loaded. It reads that load by manifold vac. So when it goes positive the belt is only running the SC. :cool:

So the AC compressor has a clutch that is controlled by manifold vac?

Port hacker, You and Rotarygod both. :cool:
Port hacker?

he was addressing his comment to guitarjunkie i believe since he's the one that has been "hacking" at ports:)

Port hacker?


Check out Guitar Junkies avitar. And you expect everyone else to pay attention to yours! :rolleyes:

Like what the hell does that latest sub title mean?? FRED

In essence it will be similar to a wet nitrous kit? So without an ECU you could run enough boostup to only the point where you'd need to retard ignition?


I haven't done this yet so take what I say with that in mind. I'm speaking for my system only, a draw through. The MAF itself has no way of knowing that there is a supercharger on the car. It only flows the air that the engine demands. Only if it is programed to yell if more mass goes through the they thought would, will it report a CEL.
I have to believe that some sensor or combination of sensors will detect something askew. That will have to be something we trick it into forgetting about. I can't say what it will be because like I said we haven't done it yet. But The way I plan on doing it the stock maps will remain intact. If this method works then there will be no CEL and the car will run exactly the way it did until it goes positive in the manifold.
My SC is the only one that can do it this way as we will not bother the stock injectors. By using two new injectors on the inlet of the blower we will get the advantage of exceptional mixing and distribution. Added to this we reduce the temp of the intake charge without an IC. These things will not be viable with other types of blowers. In fact the turbos are push through, only Hymee and myself use draw through.
Hymee's is a screw type and not condusive for passing fuel. It can, but it will not homonginize it with the air. Too much surface area to sheet the fuel on.
They do it on dragsters but efficincy is not the goal in a drag race. They like to burn up 7 gallons every quarter mile. :eek:

he was addressing his comment to guitarjunkie i believe since he's the one that has been "hacking" at ports:)
He did mention me.

Like what the hell does that latest sub title mean?? FRED
It is actually my fraternity slogan. I wanted to see if there were any other members from around the country on here. Guess not. They'd recognize it. The only person that has known it so far looked it up on google out of curiosity. It means, "justice, our foundation".

i'm just really really curious to see what this would do on my fd.


i believe he was comparing the thought above to your's;)

It is very easy to pass emissions here. They don't do a visual inspection. All they do is plug the car into the OBDII port under the dash. If there are no CEL's, you pass.

Emissions???? Harris coutny does emissions testing too.....Or am I completely loopy?

Ok, I musta missed something out there. Am I hearing correctly that the Greddy kit will not pass emissions, and that it may well be an issue for other FI kits?

i believe he was comparing the thought above to your's;)

i'm lost.
fred, did you port the engine you have?

Haven't touched anything yet.

hey richard, i know it's generally not a good idea to send fuel through an intercooler, but do you think it might work to use maybe a pwr wta barrel intercooler with one of these s/c's?

ah okay am i not speaking english or are you guys playing me? junkie said "id like to put one of these in an fd" richard said " yeah you and fred both" capische? :) insinuating that fred had suggested trying one of these in an rx-7.

ah okay am i not speaking english or are you guys playing me? junkie said "id like to put one of these in an fd" richard said " yeah you and fred both" capische? :) insinuating that fred had suggested trying one of these in an rx-7.
is that how you spell capische? i've always wondered..

its how I spell it;)

i wonder if we can run one through an intercooler for the flow and boost pressure, then run maybe a single or dual blade after the intercooler for the atomisation/homoginisation?

I didn't think I was giving out any secrets, I thought RG had already stated his desire for doing his 7 with the Axial Flow. It might even be on this thread. If I did give something away, shoot me.

The big drawback with IC on a fueled system is all that volume full of atomized fuel under pressure. An in manifold IC would be OK, just ducting it all the way around the front of the car is not attractive.

A liquid to air radiator installed in the intake manifold would be a good thing. You could use a smaller unit that way as liquid to air is a lot more efficient the air to air. It requires more componants though. Yet it is easier to get liquid transfer hoses in and around the engine compartment.

Any of you NJ guys know a car hauler that would bring my car out here?
Yes, I bought one in your state, shoot me again. But it was brand new for used price. If anyone has a some contact with indepenent haulers let me know. Or any other ideas. No, you can't drive it out here for me, thank you for the offer though.

i wonder if we can run one through an intercooler for the flow and boost pressure, then run maybe a single or dual blade after the intercooler for the atomisation/homoginisation?

Well now, that would be a true intercooler. Think you invented something only to find out someone else has done it. In this case the expense of two blowers or two cases would preclude any use.

Can you forget the romance with the IC for awhile until you see what my blower can do without it? I know it is hard to embrace the thought after all your experience with turbos. But consider some of the heat that you are use to getting rid of came from the exhaust. After all it has to go someplace.

Street blowers are running at relativly low pressure and if you compress it efficintly then run fuel in it there is no heat rise. I can tell you in a few days when I get time to run the calcs about what the intake charge will be. It might be lower then ambiant.

Think about this for a moment, dragsters probably have 600f+ air coming out of the blower, yet the temp readings are 200f. They run about 20% of the fuel through the blower. That of course is a huge amount liquid, maybe a gallon in 4.5 sec. They by weight run .8 to 1. Or at least 1 to 1. Someone should call and tell the Pentagon. :rolleyes:

since you're the one doing the research, i'll take your word for it. i owe you at least that much trust.

is there any way we can talk on the phone? i wanna pick your brain for a few minutes if at all possible.

since you're the one doing the research, i'll take your word for it. i owe you at least that much trust.

is there any way we can talk on the phone? i wanna pick your brain for a few minutes if at all possible.


Check your PM

nice talking to you. thanks for the info :)

You forgot to mention "youcrankyoldbastard" ;) Hehehehe.

just kidding :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Who rattled your cage yourumswillingbastard? ;)

See ya soon, RAP

Cant wait till this product comes out spend the last 2 hours reading the 100 odd pages

you've got more patience than i do :)

Thank GOD you aren't a whiney ass bastard that is too lazy to read and wants everyone to bend over backwards to tell you what the deal is!

Cant wait till this product comes out spend the last 2 hours reading the 100 odd pages

i take offense to that as a whiney ass bastard that is too lazy to read ehehe. not everyone has hours to read others online conversations...some of us need the cliff notes version, just like highschool ;)

Took me 35 minutes to read all of the pages when it was at 100. =(

If you feel like not reading it fine just don't expect people to always answer. I'm not sure if you fall into the category. Asking is not a problem. However, asking AGAIN after 2 minutes because no one answered you is. :)


Also, most of the time there's a "cliff notes" version every 2 pages or so... so you really don't have to read the entire thread.. Unless you like aviation .:D
i take offense to that as a whiney ass bastard that is too lazy to read ehehe. not everyone has hours to read others online conversations...some of us need the cliff notes version, just like highschool ;)

i agree, clutering threads with the same question over and over is a pain in the ass...

lets just say i didnt ride the short bus due to being a spead reader ;) jk, but i do wear a helmet around town for when i fall down and go boom...

take it easy there guy...watch your blood pressure.

Me? :) My bloodpressure is fine.. Im alot less anal than you may think :)

:)

Test car. If this picture shows up it will be the first time I got it to work.

yay pictures! :)

yay pictures! :)

You were to fast, the first pics were wrong. Took a while to get it right. Look again.

Hymee Enhanced stickers look better than them big white stickers ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

(email coming your way in a few ticks...)

RP

Seeing those pics brings a tear to my eyes :) now all it needs is a supercharger, and some clear corners.

cheers
michael

Hymee Enhanced stickers look better than them big white stickers

Hmmm still waiting for mine :p

cheers
michael

now all you need is a big yellow sticker like the mustang cobra i saw today had.. it said "Eaton Inside"

Bwahahaha.. eaton..

now all you need is a big yellow sticker like the mustang cobra i saw today had.. it said "Eaton Inside"

Bwahahaha.. eaton..

Wash your mouth out with soap. :eek:

Hymee Enhanced stickers look better than them big white stickers

Hmmm still waiting for mine :p

cheers
michael

He will probably get one before you do! :p :p

Remember what you said one time?? :D Bahahaha

I should have gave Mikeyr one to give to you this morning when he was at my place. Oh well. He has 3 now. Sort of gets him into Gold Class status, hey? ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Wash your mouth out with soap. :eek:

mmmm.. soap! :b

RP

Seeing those pics brings a tear to my eyes :) now all it needs is a supercharger, and some clear corners.

cheers
michael



It's you and me all the way L&L.

I guess clear corners means those front side markers, yes?

Yup, just looked at it again, they should go clear. Amber looks like hell.

He will probably get one before you do! :p :p

Remember what you said one time?? :D Bahahaha

I should have gave Mikeyr one to give to you this morning when he was at my place. Oh well. He has 3 now. Sort of gets him into Gold Class status, hey? ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.


I am seeing him in about 2 hours hes picking up his swaybars from my place , he gets about for a kiwi .j/k

Maybe he will give me one .should give me at least a 3kw performance boost :D

cheers
michael

It's you and me all the way L&L.

I guess clear corners means those front side markers, yes?

Yup, just looked at it again, they should go clear. Amber looks like hell.


YES SIDEmarkers in your language

Cant help but smile knowing that the Grumpyrumswigglinginternationaltravellingbastard Hymster will be driving around in our favourite coloured RX8 when he visits you :) LOL there is justice .

cheers
michael

richard, you know you can call me anytime you need someone to push boxes around or turn a wrench... i'd be more than happy to volunteer some time to get things moving faster...cause i really want one for the fd :D

latham inside?

latham inside?


I think you need "clear corners" for your avitar.

richard, you know you can call me anytime you need someone to push boxes around or turn a wrench... i'd be more than happy to volunteer some time to get things moving faster...cause i really want one for the fd :D


You may live to regret that offer. ;)

Test car. If this picture shows up it will be the first time I got it to work.

shoulda used an auto.. :\

Test car. If this picture shows up it will be the first time I got it to work.

<HIJACK THREAD>

Thanks for the pictures, RP. For me they are a bit of a revelation.

That stick-on shipping cover Mazda uses finally explains the scratches on my headlight lenses since my car was delivered to me. Both headlights had identically shaped and placed marks, yet the car had less than 3 miles on it when I took possession.

I never felt like I got the straight story from the dealer. My (white) car came from an out-of-state dealers inventory, and was trucked to my dealer. They said the original dealer (or the shipping company) must have damaged them.

Sorry for the off-topic post...

</HIJACK THREAD>

It is actually my fraternity slogan. I wanted to see if there were any other members from around the country on here. Guess not. They'd recognize it. The only person that has known it so far looked it up on google out of curiosity. It means, "justice, our foundation".

Actually, I did that a couple weeks ago...when I first noticed it. ;)

I think you need "clear corners" for your avitar.
You know how often I get told to get clear corners? LOL.
I don't think they look good on Ti Gray.
So I'm keeping my amber corners :b

Plus.. clear corners make your car suffer a 5hp performance hit.. PER CORNER!! :eek:

No matter what color car, amber corners look like shit. Get clears. It's how Mazda intended the car to look, hence why every other region has clear corners.


You know how often I get told to get clear corners? LOL.
I don't think they look good on Ti Gray.
So I'm keeping my amber corners :b

Plus.. clear corners make your car suffer a 5hp performance hit.. PER CORNER!! :eek:

No matter what color car, amber corners look like shit. Get clears. It's how Mazda intended the car to look, hence why every other region has clear corners.


Well, that's one opinion, I guess. :rolleyes: I prefer the amber, but I guess we'll save that discussion for it's own thread...

Yeah - we wouldn't want this thread to go OT now would we ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Yeah,

we better start talking about jets again!! :D

Yeah - we wouldn't want this thread to go OT now would we ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Still waiting for the Axial flow super charger.

still waiting here also.

You may live to regret that offer. ;)

seriously--hit me up anytime. the fd should be done in a month or two...it's either this, or just a gt35/40 like everyone else.

Speaking of Jets, RP I did talk to someone who knows your friend in Ocala. I have not met him yet. Currently, I am in Johanesburg, South Africa, picking up a jet.

John

Who cares if you are waiting?


Thanks for the info.



Still waiting for the Axial flow super charger.

Speaking of Jets, RP I did talk to someone who knows your friend in Ocala. I have not met him yet. Currently, I am in Johanesburg, South Africa, picking up a jet.

John


Thanks, have a safe flight back. Don't forget to stop for fuel.

Sweeet testing time :)

We have some stops in Europe to do, but this thing can go nonstop back to the us. I figured out that we carry enough fuel to drive an RX-8 110000 miles, even with it bad gas milage.

John

We have some stops in Europe to do, but this thing can go nonstop back to the us. I figured out that we carry enough fuel to drive an RX-8 110000 miles, even with it bad gas milage.

John

Yes, but even supercharged the Rx8 could not even move if it hauled that much fuel around. It might be able to power the fuel pumps. Or the APU. That's if it could run on Jet fuel.

Hope you're not paying 3$ a gallon

Interesting you didn't say "lookee my new car everyone!" but instead introduced it as "Test vehicle." Sounds like you're already planning on blowing it up. ;)

Ok, I musta missed something out there. Am I hearing correctly that the Greddy kit will not pass emissions, and that it may well be an issue for other FI kits?But is no one going to answer this question??? :(

It may very well be able to pass a sniffer test but it will not pass a visual inspection since it is not carb approved. Here in Texas it would be no issue. I don't know what it would be like in your state.

Interesting you didn't say "lookee my new car everyone!" but instead introduced it as "Test vehicle." Sounds like you're already planning on blowing it up. ;)

But is no one going to answer this question??? :(

No I'm not planing on blowing it up. It is just a little different then say your car is to you. Don't be insulted as I don't mean it that way but, this car is considered a test bench or tool for current purposes. You be sure and tell the IRS that if they ask.


I'll speculate. Probably not, as everyone has to tune it themselves you can bet it is out of the EPA specs. BUT, states vary in their testing. In calif there is no way as there is a visual test meaning if you put a aftermarket oil filler cap on it you fail.
Other states do tail pipe tests with who knows what speeds and load. Others still just plug into the OBDll and see if there are any CEL's if not you pass.

As we are in California we will attempt to get CARB exemption. How long and how much it costs I don't know. Whatever it is it has to be added to the price of the kit though. Now I hear guysin other state yelling that they should not have to pay for all the tree huggers in Ca but it is not my falt. In fact I'm on your side. I know that my SC will not make any extra smog but the smarter minds in our state capital know more about engines then I do. You do know that they are the smartest, most informed and caring people in the world. If Arni doesn't start doing something about it soon I'm going to go up there and punch him out.

No I'm not planing on blowing it up. It is just a little different then say your car is to you. Don't be insulted as I don't mean it that way but, this car is considered a test bench or tool for current purposes. You be sure and tell the IRS that if they ask.


I'll speculate. Probably not, as everyone has to tune it themselves you can bet it is out of the EPA specs. BUT, states vary in their testing. In calif there is no way as there is a visual test meaning if you put a aftermarket oil filler cap on it you fail.
Other states do tail pipe tests with who knows what speeds and load. Others still just plug into the OBDll and see if there are any CEL's if not you pass.

As we are in California we will attempt to get CARB exemption. How long and how much it costs I don't know. Whatever it is it has to be added to the price of the kit though. Now I hear guysin other state yelling that they should not have to pay for all the tree huggers in Ca but it is not my falt. In fact I'm on your side. I know that my SC will not make any extra smog but the smarter minds in our state capital know more about engines then I do. You do know that they are the smartest, most informed and caring people in the world. If Arni doesn't start doing something about it soon I'm going to go up there and punch him out.
You can't really say it doesnt produce more smog because in reality, it probably does. It's just not how you would think about it. Say you drive 12,000 miles a year and average 240 miles per tank. That's 50 fills per year.
Now you add the supercharger and like many performance mods, gas mileage will probably decrease. You're now getting only 200 miles per tank which means 60 fills per year.
That gas is being burned so you're producing 10 extra tanks of gas worth of smog per year to drive the same number of miles.
Not that I care cuz hey, you might get better gas mileage and if that were the case, the govt of CA should pay you for your technology!

On a totally seperate note... your shifter is outstanding. I installed it today and I'm extremely impressed at how smooth the car shifts now. This is how it should've come from the factory. It's a wonder car companies don't put a little extra cash into a part like this when they make a manual as I guarantee they'd have more manual drivers if they did. It's just plain awesome. Thanks!

Hope you're not paying 3$ a gallon

In Germany, It is over $6 US per gallon. No exaduration, I have signed a single fuel receipt for over $30,000.00 US.

I would like to get one of these shifters, as well. I am under the impresion it improves the reverse engagement. Can someone post a link to it.

John

Hope you're not paying 3$ a gallon

In Germany, It is over $6 US per gallon. No exaduration, I have signed a single fuel receipt for over $30,000.00 US.

I would like to get one of these shifters, as well. I am under the impresion it improves the reverse engagement. Can someone post a link to it.

John

I just might see it different. Of course the statment I'm about to make is BS, but it could be true. It really could be if I wasn't in reality helping you to go fast. Yet officially I'm not going to admit it. It's not company policy.

The SC does not use more fuel!! At least mine doesn't. You may use more due to your own devices. If you drive with the exact same performance usage then the engine is only using the same fuel it did before. Say you drive the freeway at 65 mph your car takes X HP to do so. Just because there is a SC on it doesn't mean it is being used, it can't be or the car would be going faster. The Axial Flow SC runs in the vacuume between the TB and the ports. It uses no power under those conditions.

The same holds true during acceleration, if you go at the same rate then the supercharge isn't in play. Same power requirment, same mileage.

Now if you by your own device use more power then it will use more fuel. But I feel no guilt, you did it, not me. My SC is capable of getting the same milage as before. Only you alone decide to use the extra fuel. :rolleyes:

On top of that if you messure it by BSFC my bet is that at full throttle my system with the nozzles before the compressor will get better milage. So if you could use that power to go faster with better mileage you would be on the road for less time and make less smog. I'm a hero, give me a drum roll from the tree huggers.
It's not my fault that they will not let you drive faster. It's their fault. We all know who they are. :D


Glad you liked the shifter. I can't wait for my own Rx8 to get here so I can install and drive with one. Of course no one is going to listen to my opinion so I will not give it. I already did by building it. Once I have that car who knows what I'll build for it. I know but I'm not saying. That is beside the SC.

In Germany, It is over $6 US per gallon. No exaduration, I have signed a single fuel receipt for over $30,000.00 US.

I would like to get one of these shifters, as well. I am under the impresion it improves the reverse engagement. Can someone post a link to it.

John


Try: axialflow.com :D

They couldn't have the same tax on air fuel as they do for road tax???
No one would buy fuel in their country. Just a splash to get over to the next country.

In Germany, It is over $6 US per gallon. No exaduration, I have signed a single fuel receipt for over $30,000.00 US.

I would like to get one of these shifters, as well. I am under the impresion it improves the reverse engagement. Can someone post a link to it.

John
www.axialflow.com

and yes, it does improve reverse engagement. The car slides easily into reverse every single time w/o fear of it popping out of gear either due to the shape of the "tang" as gomez referred to it. It's very nice. Since you're in europe though, hymee is your dealer. www.hymee.com/rx8

www.axialflow.com

and yes, it does improve reverse engagement. The car slides easily into reverse every single time w/o fear of it popping out of gear either due to the shape of the "tang" as gomez referred to it. It's very nice. Since you're in europe though, hymee is your dealer. www.hymee.com/rx8


His car is in Florida. From what I gather he almost lives on Ocala airport.

His car is in Florida. From what I gather he almost lives on Ocala airport.
well ok then :b

No I'm not planing on blowing it up. It is just a little different then say your car is to you. Don't be insulted as I don't mean it that way but, this car is considered a test bench or tool for current purposes. You be sure and tell the IRS that if they ask.I know exactly what you mean Richard, I just found it amusing the way you put it. And I have to note that very few tuners would be willing to purchase a $30000 "test bench" so more power to ya. I just hope you can enjoy the car a little bit too. ;)I'll speculate. Probably not, as everyone has to tune it themselves you can bet it is out of the EPA specs. BUT, states vary in their testing. In calif there is no way as there is a visual test meaning if you put a aftermarket oil filler cap on it you fail.
Other states do tail pipe tests with who knows what speeds and load. Others still just plug into the OBDll and see if there are any CEL's if not you pass.

As we are in California we will attempt to get CARB exemption. How long and how much it costs I don't know. Whatever it is it has to be added to the price of the kit though. Now I hear guysin other state yelling that they should not have to pay for all the tree huggers in Ca but it is not my falt. In fact I'm on your side. I know that my SC will not make any extra smog but the smarter minds in our state capital know more about engines then I do. You do know that they are the smartest, most informed and caring people in the world. If Arni doesn't start doing something about it soon I'm going to go up there and punch him out.Here in Colorado last I checked there was both a visual inspection and a tail pipe sniffer.

Assuming it can be tuned to pass the sniffer, what happens if if fails the visual? I don't expect the morons at emissions testing to be able to tell a FI'd rotary from a espresso maker, but maybe they can pick it out. So let's say I fail. Then what? Have I just made it impossible to drive my car? Never been in this (potential) situation before with a new car, so what do I do? Do I have to remove the FI every time I go to test for emissions?

In addition to what Omicron asked, how difficult may it be to uninstall? Could we just uninstall the actual blower piece and then we'd be safe? Could anything be hidden under the engine covers(they'll probably remove these anyway, right?)? I live in NY and I think we just matched the California standards for smog and stuff, but I'm very interested in this product. Thanks for solutions in advance. :)

Omicron, if there is a way you can get it registered in Summit County, or another county that does not do emissions testing you won't have to worry about it ever. And you won't have to get emissions for 5 years anyway since it is a new car it is exempt for that long. To get it registered in a different county, get a PO Box there and have some mail sent to it, all you have to have is some piece of mail with an address in that county sent to you to "prove" you live there. Or have a friend that lives up there you can have some mail sent to and use there address. I get my cars registered in Grand County as I have friends that live up there. That is the easiest way around the emissions in colorado anyway. BTW when I get back from Iraq and get my 8, I can show you some nice moutain roads to take a ride up on.

Omicron, I can pretty well assure you that my system will pass a sniffer test. Because I intend to not alter the off boost mapping. There is no test cycle that asks for full throttle. They just test at idle and two cruise modes. Even the CAFE testing does not get into a power position that would get into boost. Although they do have a lot more testing cycles than a standard smog test. They do have a drive simulation that goes into acceleration and high speed cruise. I still can't see them getting into boost. My system will not be adding any fuel prior to boost. The stock system will have full control as long as there is negative pressure in the manifold.

The visual test is harder to beat. That does make a case for down grading the finish on the blower though. If it looks like just another engine componant they may not know what it is. They don't see to many rotarys anyway. I just don't think my sales would be as great if it doesn't look like a high tech part.

We've been kicking around carbon fiber ducting, now there is another reason not to.

As to what happens to you if they fail you on visual, I can't say. In California you probably get 20 to 25 years in jail. But the worst they can do is tell you to take it off. In that case I'd just "move" to another county like someone said. I guess Texas is also an option as they don't have the visual test. Montana has no test at all and no speed limits. That is attractive now isn't it?? :cool: Bad weather though.

I want to do the CAFE thing because I know it will pass easy. It is just the time and money it takes. Plus the limit on year models sucks. I don't want to have to go get a '06 model and then an '07 etc every time I need the exemption.

If they put this same engine into a SUV then it would not be covered by the same exemption, it would have to be done over. There is no common sense in government. You can't point it out to them they just point to the book.

SEMA has been the leader in getting the aftermarket acceptence. In fact the CAFE test place is next door to SEMA on SEMA property. I think they paid to build the building too. But it gives them oversite as to what is going on now doesn't it.

I'll be keeping you up on what we are doing with this in the future. Right now I'm waiting for my car to get here..............waiting, waiting, waiting. It's harder to wait when you've already paid for it and they tell you it might be another week or 10 days. I could've flown back there and drove it home but i'd probably wind up in jail someplace like Ohio. I did once in Wisconson with a rent-a-car. But they let me buy my way out. Nice of them. :(

florida has no emissions testing at all, and the cops drive their personal sports cars around with no cat all the time. ..and there is a speed limit in montana now :( too many people were going there just to speed.

Omicron, if there is a way you can get it registered in Summit County, or another county that does not do emissions testing you won't have to worry about it ever. And you won't have to get emissions for 5 years anyway since it is a new car it is exempt for that long. To get it registered in a different county, get a PO Box there and have some mail sent to it, all you have to have is some piece of mail with an address in that county sent to you to "prove" you live there. Or have a friend that lives up there you can have some mail sent to and use there address. I get my cars registered in Grand County as I have friends that live up there. That is the easiest way around the emissions in colorado anyway. BTW when I get back from Iraq and get my 8, I can show you some nice moutain roads to take a ride up on.Yep, I know about the other county thing. It's an option I'll pursue if I need to. Thanks for the suggestion. I also know I don't have to test it for 4 years, but I plan on keeping it longer than that. :)

As for the road trip/canyon road exploration - you're on! You should also hook up with us for our main (local) club meet coming up June 4th and 5th... we'll be doing some driving then for sure. You haven't lived till you've been a convoy of 20+ RX-8s carving up a canyon road in Colorado! :D

Omicron, I can pretty well assure you that my system will pass a sniffer test. Because I intend to not alter the off boost mapping. There is no test cycle that asks for full throttle. They just test at idle and two cruise modes. Even the CAFE testing does not get into a power position that would get into boost. Although they do have a lot more testing cycles than a standard smog test. They do have a drive simulation that goes into acceleration and high speed cruise. I still can't see them getting into boost. My system will not be adding any fuel prior to boost. The stock system will have full control as long as there is negative pressure in the manifold.

The visual test is harder to beat. That does make a case for down grading the finish on the blower though. If it looks like just another engine componant they may not know what it is. They don't see to many rotarys anyway. I just don't think my sales would be as great if it doesn't look like a high tech part.

We've been kicking around carbon fiber ducting, now there is another reason not to.

As to what happens to you if they fail you on visual, I can't say. In California you probably get 20 to 25 years in jail. But the worst they can do is tell you to take it off. In that case I'd just "move" to another county like someone said. I guess Texas is also an option as they don't have the visual test. Montana has no test at all and no speed limits. That is attractive now isn't it?? :cool: Bad weather though.

I want to do the CAFE thing because I know it will pass easy. It is just the time and money it takes. Plus the limit on year models sucks. I don't want to have to go get a '06 model and then an '07 etc every time I need the exemption.

If they put this same engine into a SUV then it would not be covered by the same exemption, it would have to be done over. There is no common sense in government. You can't point it out to them they just point to the book.

SEMA has been the leader in getting the aftermarket acceptence. In fact the CAFE test place is next door to SEMA on SEMA property. I think they paid to build the building too. But it gives them oversite as to what is going on now doesn't it.

I'll be keeping you up on what we are doing with this in the future. Right now I'm waiting for my car to get here..............waiting, waiting, waiting. It's harder to wait when you've already paid for it and they tell you it might be another week or 10 days. I could've flown back there and drove it home but i'd probably wind up in jail someplace like Ohio. I did once in Wisconson with a rent-a-car. But they let me buy my way out. Nice of them. :(Well thanks Richard. I''ll look forward to the updates, as I know we all will, regardless of the reasons. :D

Well how bout hooking for a meet in June of 06 as I will be over here till then haha.

Ok, I'm not sure if this has been discussed in this thread or not, but I'm not going through 100+ pages to find the answer. I was wondering if you could use this supercharger unit with an aftermarket intake...say Racing Beat's? I think the combo of the two would be nice, maybe a port also :D

Ok, I'm not sure if this has been discussed in this thread or not, but I'm not going through 100+ pages to find the answer. I was wondering if you could use this supercharger unit with an aftermarket intake...say Racing Beat's? I think the combo of the two would be nice, maybe a port also :D


I think that we need the space where the RB intake fits. Also any intake tuning would be invalid with the supercharger. We will be including the air inlet system with the kit. There will be no need for any extras. If you are thinking of mods that will be compatable with future FI keep them to the exhaust side.

We will be looking at the layout of the 8 very shortly and will know for sure what fits. Currently though I feel that the real estate in front of the engine is where stuff must go. I think the air cleaner may wind up behind the bumper like others have done.

While I am interested in getting cold air into the engine I am not likely to use a foward facing scoop. I think you will find the pressure the same if you turn it sideways. I'll get into the reason why when I feel more like typing.

While I am interested in getting cold air into the engine I am not likely to use a foward facing scoop. I think you will find the pressure the same if you turn it sideways. I'll get into the reason why when I feel more like typing.
Let's see if I can answer it very simply (not likely) without leaving out something important.

There is higher pressure in the region where the air filter will go. This pressure is no different no matter which way the filter is facing. It is location based. The filter is placed within the high pressure zone and that is all that is relevant as this high pressure air will still enter the filter. Air changes direction after it passes through the filter element anyways so it really doesn't matter which way it is facing as air is never blowing directly into the inlet tube.

every time i blink this thread gets a couple pages longer.

Thanks RG as you know I don't type and you're better with words anyway. Although we both ramble on sometimes. ;)

why is the test car disguised as a ghost?

??? I apparently missed something somewhere.

why is the test car disguised as a ghost?

Why did they call the Queen Mary "the ghost ship" in WWll?? :confused:


That is the way they come from the factory. It is a stick-on covering to protect the finish in shiping. The dealer removes it in new car prep. My car has not been prept. I don't think it has been to this day and it's on the truck to me now.
Guess I get to do it myself which I don't mind. The less people crawling around in it the better.

I am going to post a quote found in the fuel economy for supercharged/turboed 8's

Just wondering if the supercharger you are designing will have these same problems/characteristics.

The quote is from a turboed RX8

"The boost starts at 3000 RPM, and when you are cruising at 75-80 mph we are right around 4000 RPM, so the turbo is running. Not much but it is twirling so heat is building up. Since it was on cruise control, I was not giving it any throttle. Just went to high 70's set the cruise control on, & watched the EGT gauge. It steadily moved up about 200 degree C, and I decided to turn it off. It is the fact that our cars are running at 4000 RPM in 6th that the turbo is not good for the CC, unless you are doing under something like 65 mph. Like you said, we need a 7th gear, or we can't really use crusie control for the turbo."
:confused: :confused: :confused: :D :confused: :confused: :confused:

what was the actual egt reading though? and where was the probe?

Wasn't me or my car.
There might be more info on the thread, it is posted in this section of major horsepower upgrades, a bit down the page.
Heres the link
Here (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=57682)

RPM is not the only thing affecting the boost. When you are cruising, the throttle is only partially open. In fact, there is no "boost" at all, but probably some manifold vacuum.

As for EGT's, I'm not sure what he was measuring, but the cat gets up to 1000 degrees C without much problem.

Cheers,
Hymee.

This is typical of a blow through turbo system. You are still spinning the turbo even if your throttle is closed. There will be no manifold pressure as the engine is using more mass then the throttle lets in. Therefore vacuume. But you still are restricting the exhaust so heat will build up. There is in all likelyhood room for safe operation and you may be panicing early.
The point is made though about turbo heat, it has to go someplace. You need the heat, remember that is what is driving the compressor. But from this you see that it is not free energy as some like to claim.

If they were to use a drawthrough type system this action would be reduced somewhat. In my system this in not going to happen at all. We have no connection to the exhaust so we build no heat there except when we produce more power. During cruise with the axial flow system the engine acts just as it did before. It has no way of knowing there is a supercharger on board. Idling in the vacuume of the duct between the TB and the ports it takes no power, does not effect fuel mileage.

It is my intent to leave the entire fuel and spark system intact. It will control the engine just as it did before the SC install. When the manifold goes positive the auxilury injectors add fuel as needed for the extra air. The spark timing is something I haven't worked out yet. That will be the only place I see some sort of piggyback computer controls. At the present time I think we can use full timing with street boost.

The added homoginization of the axial flow blading is going to benifit the rotary more then it does the piston counterpart. Just think how much mixing can be done by hundreds of blades going hundreds of MPH. All reacting against static blades facing the opposite direction.

Back to your question, no this system will not do what your turbo is doing. :)

I tihnk because the Queen Mary did solo transatlantic troop runs, avoiding all the U Boats (cos she was so fast).

Just a theory tho.....

I tihnk because the Queen Mary did solo transatlantic troop runs, avoiding all the U Boats (cos she was so fast).

Just a theory tho.....


She was painted dull grey. And your right she was fast. But with British fog and all grey was invisable. Cut right through her escort once. The ship was zig zaging and in the fog crossed in front of the QM, tee boned him, cut 'em in half.

We are looking for a good name for the shifter.

One night she was passing Gibralter and a watch command came on the radio asking "What ship, what ship"? The captin insulted by not having the QM profile obvious radios back "What rock, what rock"??

I would use something like :
"Richard Paul Sport Shifter" or "Axial Flow Sport Shift"


as short shifter is kinda missleading, and i have seen / heard people saying "well it doesnt look much shorter." Emphasises the quick shifting. 'Race' might seem too hardcore and off putting.

how about "Richard Paul Enhanced Shifter";)

how about the "not for ricers" shifter :b

How about, I need a link for US delivery.

John

How about, I need a link for US delivery.

John
www.axialflow.com
it's under products at the top.

I keep finding myself visiting to see the exploded view of it. It looks nice. Top of it looks like a roulette wheel :D

how about "Richard Paul Enhanced Shifter";)

That has a familiar ring to it :D http://www.hymee.com/smilies/sm_driving.gif

Cheers,
Hymee.

That has a familiar ring to it :D http://www.hymee.com/smilies/sm_driving.gif

Cheers,
Hymee.

I don't get it!!! :rolleyes: ;) :D

ok ok..
how bout calling it the "makemyrx8shiftshorteryabastard" shifter

ok ok..
how bout calling it the "makemyrx8shiftshorteryabastard" shifter
So the acronym would be mmrssyb.
Ya can't pronounce it!

How about just "Short Strokes?"

How about just a short and sweet name such as "the stick".

"Precise sports throw shifter " ;)

Cheers
michael

"AF Quick shifter" ?

What ever you call it ,it's a great product

How about just a short and sweet name such as "the stick".

that name's already taken by a personal item of mine ;)

I'm going to err on the side of caution and guess that as a musician you have a Chapman Stick? I do have another guess though!

That should be called the "short stick" RP, well that is what she said anyway!

Rotary Precision Shifter

AKA Richard Paul Shifter

Sorry to keep going back to the original topic here. :rolleyes:

How is this project coming along, have you got your car yet? Have you decided on an ecu replacement or piggyback system? Have you got the intake system worked out? Is the placement of the supercharger still a problem? So many questions so little time.
:)
I am asking these questions because I have been following this thread since its creation and I am pretty sure these are still the unanswered questions around the project.
;)
Oh nearly forgot is there any news on what band of hp gains are to be expected.
I know this is the million dollar question, I know you don't want to report false claims, but an indication of where the band would lie would be benificial to some who are wondering which way to jump with FI systems.

Just to say again to all those involved with the project, this has been an exciting topic covering everything from superchargers to pulse jet engines and short shifters with the additional military history flung in for good measures, keep up the good work.

"It may seem like a thankless task, but remember, if it is worth doing then it is worth doing well."

Don't really know if this is an actual quote or one I just made up, but it does sound inspiring. :o

Positive throw sports shifter

Just to throw another one into the melting pot.

I know I dont have one of these shifters but I did buy the illuminated mazda one. :o

The stock system will have full control as long as there is negative pressure in the manifold.


doesnt that promote cavitation?

EDIT: sorry, i believe that is only in fluids...

I've shifted Richards stick! My idea for the name is: Richard A Pauls Incredibly Designed Shifter----aka-RAPID shifter. What do yathinkyabastards? ;)

I've shifted Richards stick! My idea for the name is: Richard A Pauls Incredibly Designed Shifter----aka-RAPid shifter. What do yathinkyabastards? ;)


I definitely remember you being excellent at shifting my stick, We will let the forum decide about your suggestion. I'm sure if they could see you work my knob they would vote for anything you wanted. :D

(Kat PM me) :)

now that there is just dirty :D

yeah.. get back to making us all superchargers!

I'll do the knob jokes around here!

I've shifted Richards stick! My idea for the name is: Richard A Pauls Incredibly Designed Shifter----aka-RAPID shifter. What do yathinkyabastards? ;)


i like that one.

beers

yeah.. get back to making us all superchargers!

I'll do the knob jokes around here!


Who was joking? :confused:

now that there is just dirty :D


And you're just jealous!

fair enuff....

Ill leave you two to it then....

hehe

I know this thread is about Axial Flow Superchargers but its been highjacked before for this type of stuff so I figured I would add it to the mix for fun. I found this sight and the first thing I thought of was Richard and this rather long thread. Many of you may have seen this or for all I know its been posted here (I got lost in the thread a while back and haven't caught up). Anyway enjoy.

http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/index.html

Hey Richard....get your car yet???

Hey Richard....get your car yet???

No! They've been stroking me day by day. The trucking Co that is. It is just a few miles away at their terminal and got there friday but they can't deliver it untill tomorrow. I tried to get it by picking it up yesterday but they claimed they were not open. Like a cross country trucking company ever closes??????

Man I'm antzy. I've waited for Ferrari's with less agony before. :confused:
Maybe it's age or maybe it's just that I want to put my shifter in it, then get on to the SC. I plan on putting a few hundred miles on it stock and getting a dyno run before I touch it. But then?????????? :D

We are ALL antzy Richard! Have you had the chance to log any real time with the 8? If not, drive that baby with the stock shifter a while before you slap yours in. Its a bad ass change IMO. Spend some time with the car, then get back to work! *cracks whip* hahaha.
Good luck with it from here on out Richard.

No! They've been stroking me day by day. The trucking Co that is. It is just a few miles away at their terminal and got there friday but they can't deliver it untill tomorrow. I tried to get it by picking it up yesterday but they claimed they were not open. Like a cross country trucking company ever closes??????

Man I'm antzy. I've waited for Ferrari's with less agony before. :confused:
Maybe it's age or maybe it's just that I want to put my shifter in it, then get on to the SC. I plan on putting a few hundred miles on it stock and getting a dyno run before I touch it. But then?????????? :D

so you are suffering with us, i feel your pain.

thanks for the investment.

beers

The trucking company called and said between 11 AM and 1 PM tomorrow.
So if there was someone there today why wasn't there yesterday?

Got some more work done on the blower test bench today. Dana mounted the oil pump and relief valve, got pulleys and fitted one to the output shaft. Blower mounting bracketry is also done. Waiting for the oil tank and filter assemblys. Ready soon and will get pics.

Awesome. Thanks RP. :)

Richard ... I remember reading some pages back some comments regarding the MAF and it's ability or inability to effectively report on the airflow under FI.

Clearly the MAF has to have some calibration to it to send a specific signal to the PCM for a given flow ... if you find that the calibration is not adequate for your application, there may be some help available from these guys:

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/

... or one of their competitors. Apparently they have some pretty extensive experience with re-calibrated MAFs, particularly on Fords. Don't know if it is of any interest ... but I just happened to come across their site one day. Just trying to help the effort ;)

you know i have sent like 5 emails to grannetelli asking about a different maf for the rx8 and they have never even replied to say they even got my emails. then their mailbox started bouncing back my emails with a "mailbox is full" message. grrr.... that was like 6 months or more ago... i think abbid even got on them for me and he got no response either.