looks pretty amazing if you ask me.

on a side note, how much would this kit cost anyhow?


What are you worried about? Its too cheaply made anywho.. :lol2:

..........


show a little more respect in this thread please :icon_no2:

........no offense but this thing looks fucking cheap

let's see you design something.

^ ??? your point is?

... that your choice in "performance parts" discredits your opinion about quality craftsmanship. You clearly have no idea what it takes to develop what is essentially a piece of art under your hood.

Bottom line, show some respect... many of us subscribed to this thread before you had a drivers license... you just sound like a spoiled shit.

absolutely, thanks for the complement, you unspoiled pathetic life-sucker

and cody, foils? :)

looks dirty+ in pieces

I'll give you the fact that it doesnt look like it'd been cleaned. If you're talking about the pieces being the unassembled SC, then that's to show what it looks like on the inside seeing as it's not a typical design. I cant say what my opinion would be had I not read this thread, but I know a lot of work went into making this product reliable and of high quality. It is your opinion, but many people have been waiting for this SC for a reason.

^ ??? your point is?

I think their point is that you're a dumb A-hole.

I might be an A-hole, but I am in no way dumb, maybe stupid, but alot smarter than you, which is good enough for me

8 maniac, I'm not saying that it won't work, or it sucks, because quite frankly, I don't even know the product, and have never used it, so for me to say that would be plain ignorance

I'm just saying that, from what I've seen at SSX AT THEIR BOOTH, ALSO THE ONE ON THEIR CAR, it looks.........well, crap, to explain my word "crap" would be dirty, wierd looking, and well, dirty, which is why I'm saying that it looks REALLY freaking cheap, aside from the fins and turbine inside which is pretty cool, the outside just looks like crap, I'm not saying the quality is crap, the appearance looks like it though, god I thought you guys were smart

are you my father? if you aren't I suggest you shut the hell up

on a side note, how much would this kit cost anyhow?

.

I might be an A-hole, but I am in no way dumb, maybe stupid, but alot smarter than you, which is good enough for me

8 maniac, I'm not saying that it won't work, or it sucks, because quite frankly, I don't even know the product, and have never used it, so for me to say that would be plain ignorance

I'm just saying that, from what I've seen at SSX AT THEIR BOOTH, ALSO THE ONE ON THEIR CAR, it looks.........well, crap, to explain my word "crap" would be dirty, wierd looking, and well, dirty, which is why I'm saying that it looks REALLY freaking cheap, aside from the fins and turbine inside which is pretty cool, the outside just looks like crap, I'm not saying the quality is crap, the appearance looks like it though, god I thought you guys were smart

This is by far one of the most innovative products that will ever be released for the RX-8. And because it's "dirty" it's "crap"?

You should re-read many of your own posts before making such comments.

I take it back, I just saw some of the pics that people took of the axial flow at SSX, hmm sorry, it doesn't look bad at all, maybe I was smoking or some shit on that day

and mac11, you are a fucking retard my friend, I'm just an idiot, you are beyond help

I take it back, I just saw some of the pics that people took of the axial flow at SSX, hmm sorry, it doesn't look bad at all, maybe I was smoking or some shit on that day

and mac11, you are a fucking retard my friend, I'm just an idiot, you are beyond help

I'm dumb, yet you - who saw this piece in person - called it crap until you saw pics of it? :hahano: :beer05:

yep man, I'm sorry for what I've said, however because I am an idiot, I will not erase my former posts so people who read the entire 206 pages can laugh at me lol,

btw, give me a break, I was up all night washing and waxing my car for SSX with my buddies and it fucking rained right after I finished, and I didn't get sleep, +no coffee, no wonder that I'm seeing things

...And so it came to pass that the Axial Flow Supercharger thread erupted in a vicious flame war to end all flame wars... or maybe just a mild tiff.

...popcorn anyone?

half sweet half salted please

^ I actually would remove my post realizing I made a mistake because I didn't get any sleep.

Glad you like it now.

WOW Taja: ***remove foot from mouth***

Do me a favor: walk out to your car, pop your hood, and let me know if anything under there is dirty. :rofl:

no I won't it would remind me not to do it again, and I love having people laugh at me, :)

btw razz, nice meetin u at SSX :)

WOW Taja: ***remove foot from mouth***

Do me a favor: walk out to your car, pop your hood, and let me know if anything under there is not dirty. :rofl:

there I fixed it for you, I'm very sorry because I have no clue what you are saying jedi, my brain is not working at the moment, please just say it

btw, my hood is massively dirty

Maybe RP needs to start drinking Jack in the morning like Hymee to get 'er done.

despite everything, I must say this thing is very very small and is amazing if it is putting out 15+psi

It needs to be put out on the market!

It needs to be put out on the market!

Not until the tuning is completed by Cobb.

It needs to be put out on the market!

+1

If I have my AFSC by this next summer you can colour me very happy. Just don't colour me green. If I didn't have such faith in ol' RP, I'd be calling "vaporware." I'm sure there's just some technical hitch somewhere.

I believe the technical hitch is with Cobb, not RP and the AFSC.

Maybe Cobb needs some Jack then - LOL

despite everything, I must say this thing is very very small and is amazing if it is putting out 15+psi

7.5

I was sort've hoping taja would edit that post before anyone else saw it yesterday (I almost sent you a pm) but then I figured you're entitled to your opinion just as much as some of the other people here. I'm glad you see you changed your mind - though I hope it was of your own free will.

This is a lesson to all of us not to judge things before we understand them!

I'm hoping this is in the market when I'm really ready to evaluate going FI (soon). If it performs well, I wouldn't have much problem kicking you a few bucks.

I'm also waiting for the Cobb unit to come out to see how it stands up to the other EMS's anyway. So blocking on it's release isn't too bad [for me]~

RP and his products are awesome!

it was of my own free will, I must have been drunk that day, come to think of it it doesn't really seem that bad at all, I can't say it looks good, since honestly I think pettit supercharger looks better, and hymee's looks wayy better, but they all still get the job done........

I am evaluating all FI options, reading long ass posts in these threads which are mostly either useless random comments or ass-licking

I do not regret saying that it looked like crap, because how I remembered it was, but looking at the pics from jedi's and other's, I guess sleep deprieviation took it's toll, because I also thought that lady at falken's booth was also ugly, but john went in for an autograph, so.........

7.5

7.5 psi? thats not too bad........... for that small little thinging

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but waiting for Cobb would only be a personal decision on RP's part.
Boost is boost. The EMS situation is such right now that people can make their own choice between the EMU, the Int-X, the PowerMod or whatever.

If Richard is waiting for a "magic bullet" with regards to EMS, the Cobb may be it - but it won't make any difference to the function or design of the AFSC.

I believe the technical hitch is with Cobb, not RP and the AFSC.

but it's still a technical hitch! ha! victory for zim! ^_^

If Richard is waiting for a "magic bullet" with regards to EMS, the Cobb may be it - but it won't make any difference to the function or design of the AFSC.


that was very polite.

that was very polite.

Well, I have an unhealthy amount of respect for Richard!

He has his reasons, I'm sure, for not believing the current crop of engine management solutions to be satisfactory.
As far as I can tell, however, the actual AFSC device isn't going to see any significant further development. It is installed on the car and in its same form as it was the previous year.

That coming from someone with K&N Typhoon intake? on an automatic no less? Now that is funny...

hey hey hey ! Im part of the Typhoon Version 2 family. but I am not AT, can I get a cookie ? :) taja took his word back, so ...

Well, I never had a chance to get to SS, but after all these years(pictures and details), I can tell the AFSC is the result of quality craftsmanship.

Seriously speaking, I want to go FI right now, screw the warranty, but Im waiting for more options. Turbo or SC, and better engine manganment

Now for Turbo we have Greddy, Mazsport, DNA motorsport(correct me if wrong on this one)

SC we have Blitz (does it work with LHD rx8?), Petitracing SC, Hymee(coming soon), and AFSC(coming soon).

and Im waiting for more people to blow their engines up .... I mean err test them out more before I jump on the bandwagon. :cwm27:

Mazdatrix has the new Procharger SC. (look at my SS pics thread)

Mazdatrix has the new Procharger SC. (look at my SS pics thread)

yea yea yea, I think thats the one. from aus right ? (Mazdatrix is just reseller)

^that would be hymee, procharger is a centrifugal type right? and i think hymee is a roots type?

Yeah, Mazdatrix resells the DNA system.
http://www.dnamotorsport.com/ProCharger/RX-8_Kit/RX-8.htm

Who has DNA Procharger installed ? Im talking in the North America.

Not that I dont trust them, but I dont think I seen anybody got this kit installed.

Well that added a couple of pages. Still I like the attention and the "love."
Now I know to polish and chrome everything. I've always been just a tech guy and the flash stuff is extra. The real reason is I'm a racer from birth and race cars and their engines don't live long enough to even rust, so why bother.
There is one race engine builder I know who said why paint the block? "If it lives long enough to rust it wasn't being used hard enough."

"Shiny stuff is for show cars." " Tricks are for kids."

Yes MM there are reasons beyond "will it work."
Not everyone can just whip these things on like you can.
Just so everyone knows MM put the EMU into my car. Therefore he knows the kind of work it is yet he still took many hours to do it. And it's going to take a first time user twice as long. MM knows where to find the holes and where the power sorce is etc, etc. His installation will not rub wires into sheet metal and fail, first timers may not see that just yet.

Then there is cost, I need to keep the addition of he controller reasonable. I can't even mark it up. But what I said before is the real reason I like the Cobb. The Rx8 has all the hardware it needs for the job, not to use it is really poor design.
A guy just having a hand held box and hooking it into the OBD port, transfering a new Map is so much more reliable and easier. If it cost less that's just a bonus.

Also don't blame Cobb it's my fault the car is not up there yet. I offer my normal excuse about having to keep the company running by doing customer parts first. Also we will never make our money back on Rx8 kits ther has just been to much time invested in this one car. We should have started with another car first. But we didn't so be it. Hopefully down the road there will be another car we can use this blower on.

Not to say we didn't learn alot and have some fun doing it. Fun is where it's at or we wouldn't be doing anything with cars. You've seen some of the cars I've done in my life so you know it must be for fun because I never was in it for money.

Remember back when I was racing there was no money in it.
You can tell this is almost done because we are designing a V8 size one right now. Hot Rods live. I thought they were dead, they were only resting getting their energy up.

Hopefully down the road there will be another car we can use this blower on.

Maybe a little more lbs/min flow and this will go on that new rotary 15C that has been spoken of...

Mazdatrix has the new Procharger SC. (look at my SS pics thread)

If I remembered correctly, that thing was equally as small as this one, but is fitted in the middle of the car right? and I saw their 3 module thinging, wtf, I must be on crack that day, can someone please rewind sevenstock? I cant remember jack shit, my memory seems to out focus right when we parked at the staging area, and then it flashed forward to me talking to charles r hills, that it.....wtf

The procharger will weigh a lot more.

wahahaha...that's the spirit, RP. :)

The Pro charger was there and installed.

If AFSC can only get the boost corrected you'd see a better system.

no I won't it would remind me not to do it again, and I love having people laugh at me, :)

btw razz, nice meetin u at SSX :)

That's the best charater trait! Being able to laugh at yourself.

I wonder if MM does that? I don't know him well enough. :SHOCKED:

Wow....I leave the forum for a few AFSC pages (old-skewl time 1.75 months)...and I miss SSX, taba-ho being a ho...and RP reliving the good ol days...

*sniff* good to know all is well in the world...

BTW, it took me a little bit to read thru all the new posts as I kept having to go back and fap to the new pictures...

If it wasnt for all the friction blisters I dont think I would have ever stopped to post...haaa

OMG, Twinx is alive!!!!
slaughter some pigs, grab the local virgins, a celebration is in order.

Ha...Just barely...slowly getting reacquainted with:

1) Sunlight
2) The living
3) Reality

I don't think I'll ever get back in touch with reality tho...but somethings are simply better that way...haa...

Now I have to get back to thread-jacking, kitten posting, AFSC fapping, and MM avatar oogling...Oh and change my oil...

and his new avatar with the chicks in the tub is stunning- wish i had the rest of that shoot.

Ok I'm listening to Pink Floyd.

Do pigs fly?

They did at the San Diego concert.

that makes 2 of us charlie.
Tell MM he needs to PM them or we'll BAN him to the Lounge for a whole week. ;)

:shocked:

and his new avatar with the chicks in the tub is stunning- wish i had the rest of that shoot.

Haa...if you know where on the internet to look, you can have what you seek...

Altho...I dont recommend you look too hard unless you want to start questioning why you cannot have sex with jello...

you cannot have sex with jello...
LIES

Heh...not that I gave it much thought...as I dont really have much of that left after the recent ordeal...

But...you end up with stain and nothing but stickiness and disappointment...

The worst part...none of that stickiness is your own...and it shall never be...

Haa haa

OMG, that was classic?

Where ya been twinx? (PM if you want)

and his new avatar with the chicks in the tub is stunning- wish i had the rest of that shoot.

Stay tuned.

Tell MM he needs to PM them or we'll BAN him to the Lounge for a whole week. ;)

You would only be punishing yourself.

Haa...if you know where on the internet to look, you can have what you seek...

Altho...I dont recommend you look too hard unless you want to start questioning why you cannot have sex with jello...

I just sent Lauren a bunch of new ones, so they will probably be up soon.
I can't comment on the Jello thing...

Jedi: I had to "work" strangely enough...and it required my absolute attention...looks like I might have to go to asia soon so I might vanish yet again...however until then...its back to slacking about as hard as I work...which means mas spam...

MM: Some things never change...praise jeebus! Keep up the damn fine work...Unfortunately I couldn't make SSX so no beer for me...however I might just drop by for no other reason than to get beer and retry to convince you for the millionth time that you need a fluffer...even if you dont...haa

All: If you haven't had your way with a Jello mold consisting of a 4:1 ratio of gelatin and water...you haven't lived...ballistic gel "feels" lifelike...if lifelike means that the person melts due to all that heat from jiggling...haaa

the only jiggling I wanna see is from MM's avatars

Who has DNA Procharger installed ? Im talking in the North America.

Not that I dont trust them, but I dont think I seen anybody got this kit installed.

Well, on looking at the website MM posted, I am not sure I trust their math.... All of their percentage claims are way off. The first "stage" kit produces 247 hp @ 6 psi.... nothing to sneeze at, but it is not a 60% increase over 170-180 Hp for a car that is only running 170 stock hp, a 60% increase would be about 270ish hp. The rest of their calculations are off in a similar manner. If anyone has an explanation for this, I am interested. Otherwise, even though it is a seemingly innocuous mistake, it leads to an overall distrust and dislike for the company.

Yeah I'm not sure either, I hate when companies say 60-70%, etc. Just show a dyno and say we made 43.7% at the wheels on ____ psi. The results do look impressive and I know that prochargers are pretty reliable from people who I've known who had them. It's selling for $10k (aus, which is like $8,700 us) So I'm not sure if thats worth it but the numbers on 10psi is what I'm looking for. If it could price around $5k, I'd probably go with it but it doesn't look like that will be the case, guess we will see.

Actually they claim 274 at the wheels not 247.

I had the brochure but it got soaking wet.

The DNA dyno graphs are marketing junk, anyway.
They look like someone double-clicked the MS Paint icon and went to town.

axial flow unit is actually pretty interesting if anyone wants to compound charge because of it's small size.....:)

The DNA dyno graphs are marketing junk, anyway.
They look like someone double-clicked the MS Paint icon and went to town.

Are you referring to the lack of data below 60mph?:) I noticed thats just about when it starts making less than stock power and torque.

It's probably a good racing solution but not really that great for the street especially compared to the Pettit SC, Hymee SC or GReddy turbo if you think about stop and go or passing power below 4K rpm.

Looking at Richard's SC up close I wondered if his intake opening to the SC was large enough to flow the air needed. It's seemed pretty small relatively speaking but I didn't take any measurements and haven't done the math.

the pipes seems small, but that big ass box in the front would probably do the job and he got a turbine fin sucking in air

Sorry to confuse. I meant the opening to the supercharger itself. Not his custom intake manifold. Is the opening to his supercharger properly sized to the requirements of the engine at max load?

Originally Posted by eviltwinkie http://www.rx8club.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2069549#post2069549)
you cannot have sex with jello...

LIES

That is some sick twisted info that Bill Cosby would most likely defend.


:icon_no2:

Also don't blame Cobb it's my fault the car is not up there yet.


Richard, any idea when Cobb will actually get the car to work with and any guess as to how long it will take them to write the maps, etc.

His crystal ball is currently missing

Well, on looking at the website MM posted, I am not sure I trust their math.... .

nothing wrong with the math - its just that we tend to use Dyno Dynamics dynos in this part of the world and they read low .

Richard, any idea when Cobb will actually get the car to work with and any guess as to how long it will take them to write the maps, etc.

I know!! Richard told me at SevenSTock but not sure if I'm allowed to say... :SHOCKED:

I know!! Richard told me at SevenSTock but not sure if I'm allowed to say... :SHOCKED:

:Eyecrazy:

Richard, any idea when Cobb will actually get the car to work with and any guess as to how long it will take them to write the maps, etc.

They are too busy tunning Subaru's haha, I saw it on tv the other day.

Cobb does have it working. They've got it figured out. I heard a potential reason that's holding them back but I'm not sure how true it is and I don't want to have a simple rumor turn into something that everyone believes when there's no proof.

I saw the man Trey himself on TV the other night where they interviewed him. He must certainly have his plate full even thou he's a youngish guy. Why? Show was about Cobb and them building their new subie race cars (all CF), new build facilities on some race track, new subies to outfit. It's no wonder other cars don't get the dedicated effort needed for quick turnaround, he'll need a lot of help looks like!

Cobb does have it working. They've got it figured out.

Wow thanks for the update Rotary.

Seems things are falling into place and may mean this will soon be a reality.

I still can't forget the short ride I took in Pettit's 'charged 8.
Even without an intercooler in yet the thing was rocket on the low end at least.

OK, for my 6000th post, I will honor Richard Paul. I have waited till the Sun has risen and shined for many a day now, in anticipation of the Worlds first Axial Flow Supercharged Rotary Engine to make it to the general public. I will wait until next year, and then it is either this or a turbo.

So, make my day RP :40oz:

Congratulations on 6000 posts!

6000...that's a LOT of mucking about this place! nice! :D

do want

Why is it getting dark in here?

Oh, it's because the window of opportunity is closing.

Why is the window closing? If you're assuming there's a finite supply of people wanting to go FI and that supply is drying up going with the other options, then perhaps.

But I don't think (don't hope, at any rate) that Richard set a deadline for completion and it's approaching?

it's going to be a while before I can get a decent modification anyways. still patient... :)

Exactly! I don't even have the stinking car yet. Which is really sad when you look at when I joined up...

But there's hope on the very near horizon!

OMG Aggie!
IT buys an RX-8 SOON or it gets the hose. ;)

It had a kid at an inopportune time and found itself broke. :(

On the bright side, two jobs are now pumping money into reserves and a new car is on the horizon. The missus is down with the 8 but really has her eye on the upcoming Mini Clubman. Next year should be interesting...

*But enough about me, back to the AFSC!* :lol2:

The missus is down with the 8 but really has her eye on the upcoming Mini Clubman.
:spank: :banghead: :icon_no2: :uhh: :puke: Negative Ghostrider; ditch that option. w00t for the 8!

bump :scratchhe

Hump? :ky:

any updates on the product?

its dead
olddragger

You know for a fact it's dead?

wow, i've not seen OD to be much of a jokester before.... i hope he is now:uhh:

Words to that effect from the man himself. Coulda just been feeling defeated for the moment but who knows?

that would be very disappointing :sad:

Words to that effect from the man himself. Coulda just been feeling defeated for the moment but who knows?

He may just be sick of people asking for updates when he clearly has said the product is pretty much finished he is just waiting for the AccessPort to ship.

its dead
olddragger

I hope that is not true, that would be a huge dissapointment, I really want this supercharger in my rx-8.

Trust me on this one, Mac.

RX-8 Club:
Dammit! This always happens! We think we're gonna score parts,
and then we never score! It's not fair! We've been waiting um, a
mil-... a hundred years, just because we thought we were
gonna score! But now it's not gonna happen! Dammit!

Richard:
Hey, buddy! Sit down!

RX-8 Club:
Shut up, ass-wipe! We're sick and tired of this! We're
never gonna score parts! We're probably gonna get old
like those honda people, but they've probably scored!

Richard:
Hey! I'm warning you! Sit down!

RX-8 Club:
It's like subaru's are sluts... and look at the evo!
It's not old, but they've probably scored parts a million times...!
But not us!
We're never gonna score!
We're never gonna score!
We're never gonna score!

RX-8 Club:
Dammit! This always happens! We think we're gonna score parts,
and then we never score! It's not fair! We've been waiting um, a
mil-... a hundred years, just because we thought we were
gonna score! But now it's not gonna happen! Dammit!

Richard:
Hey, buddy! Sit down!

RX-8 Club:
Shut up, ass-wipe! We're sick and tired of this! We're
never gonna score parts! We're probably gonna get old
like those honda people, but they've probably scored!

Richard:
Hey! I'm warning you! Sit down!

RX-8 Club:
It's like subaru's are sluts... and look at the evo!
It's not old, but they've probably scored parts a million times...!
But not us!
We're never gonna score!
We're never gonna score!
We're never gonna score!

reposT...repoST...repOST....rePOST...rEPOST...REPO ST!!!!!!

Here is the problem with the AFSC :

...we will never make our money back on Rx8 kits there has just been too much time invested in this one car. We should have started with another car first. But we didn't so be it. Hopefully down the road there will be another car we can use this blower on.

btw...its from "Beavis and Butthead: Do America"...

I actually have confidence that Richard will deliver eventually...

I just used that in the AccessPort thread and found it funny enough to reapply here in jest...

;)

Tuning technology isn't........oh, forget it.

I have too many experiments waiting for this thing. I'm holding out hope that the olddragger was just in a mood...

(awww man, now my post count went up to 124! boo! XD)

hump?

Chopin's Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-flat minor, Op. 35 plays softly in the background.

http://www.catwack.com/pics/398.jpg

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/piano.jpg

It isn't over until the fish jumps!

hope we hear from RP, 'cause...well... it looks like folks are actually giving up. o.o;

I would say this project is dead.

Wow this would suck if it is really dead. This thread was opened on 5/28/04 so that is a long time and I am sure a lot of work put into the supercharger.

I wonder if he will sell off the design to someone else to see if they can bring it to market?

Razz was at SSX, so I bet he knows what I am talking about.......

would you mind explaining? it would be a waste to hold ones breath only to realize that this wont happen....

This would be a good issue with which to see if the "search" function is of any value around here. I am not sure that it is.

Ha...ok...here's what I know...since I've been lurking here for a while and have actually kept up with the story...

The SC itself is ready...the engine manglement has been the issue...
The "magic" bullet here being COBB's AccessPort...
Then its competitively priced, and makes install post-support easier...

Because we would be the "first" group to get this new type SC, he's opting to wait UNTIL after the COBB AP...

You only get ONE shot at making a first impression...and he wants it to be the way he wants...perfect...

It's ultimately his baby, and he's not obviously driven by money because as I debated several "AFSC Pages" ago...

Then he would have been selling it to anyone with an Interceptor and letting everyone potentially blow things up (Because they will) ruining precious credibility...

So...if you want to wait...then wait...if not there's other solutions out there NOW.

Personally...The inner devil's advocate tell's me to wait for COBB...then come back to bitch because then there is NO Excuse...

Till then...I can respect the man and his decision...It's his, and so far why would I distrust someone because I'm impatient? Petty reason...

If I run into something better when its blow my refund time...I at least will ultimately be happy...one way or another...heh

Anyone say anything about warm/fuzzy/aww...I'll find you and make you suck muh harbls...

I think I was reading somewhere (else?) that RP's AFSC wasn't going to work well on a rotary. I don't know the reason. I hope I'm wrong.

What is it the Cobb will have that the E-Man Blue, E-Man Ultimate, and Int-X didn't?

...the ability to setup the factory ecu to work in a new environment with all the factory sensors, only throwing the appropriate CEL's when something is actually wrong with no added dongles or re-wiring. It makes the car as if it came in the new configuration from the factory. Re-flashing the ECU is absolutely the only way that should be acceptable.

If it weren't so good, it wouldn't have taken the domestic markets by storm the way it did and there wouldn't be such a demand for cobb to expand to so many new markets.

If you want proof of how good it is just go talk to the scoobie guys.

You're missing my point. The Pettit S/C runs well for many people with the Int-X and Pettit has used the Ultimate in the past. What is it that makes the AFSC so difficult to tune with the same engine management? Three of the forum's best tuners have tried to help RP, to no avail.

You're missing my point. The Pettit S/C runs well for many people with the Int-X and Pettit has used the Ultimate in the past. What is it that makes the AFSC so difficult to tune with the same engine management? Three of the forum's best tuners have tried to help RP, to no avail.

You will notice that Pettit wanted to do the same thing with their engine management and only released early due to (1) the continued delay of the AP to the market and (2) popular demand by the RX8 community for his product to come to market. You will also notice that first, Pettit stopped using the EMU, and second they are working on getting all their future kits up and running on a flash based engine management so they can move away from the int-X. There must be some compelling evidence for Cam to go in this direction.

Nothing makes anything so hard to tune. The proprietor of this machine decided he ONLY wanted to use what he sees as the best engine management option. If I remember correctly from many many pages ago Richard was running his RX8 with one of these piggyback systems (don't remember which - and it was working, but he was not satisfied with it for something that would be ready for mass distribution. I think it is you who is missing some points.

Richard was using the Int-X AND the Greddy E-manage for some time (this was about a year ago). He was having issues getting it to boost at the right RPM range. I can't remember if it was NOT boosting until 6K or if it was only boosting UNTIL 6K. (richard told me when I was at his shop but I must be losing my memory in my old age...)

I am pretty sure that led him to change some of the physical characteristics of his AFSC and has brought us to where it is today.

I defer to your genius, Mac. I guess the stories I was told by Mr. Paul himself and those tuners who tried to help him were figments of my imagination. Keep up the good work.

You will notice that Pettit wanted to do the same thing with their engine management and only released early due to (1) the continued delay of the AP to the market and (2) popular demand by the RX8 community for his product to come to market. You will also notice that first, Pettit stopped using the EMU, and second they are working on getting all their future kits up and running on a flash based engine management so they can move away from the int-X. There must be some compelling evidence for Cam to go in this direction.

Nothing makes anything so hard to tune. The proprietor of this machine decided he ONLY wanted to use what he sees as the best engine management option. If I remember correctly from many many pages ago Richard was running his RX8 with one of these piggyback systems (don't remember which - and it was working, but he was not satisfied with it for something that would be ready for mass distribution. I think it is you who is missing some points.

It will help the Pettit setup with the CARB certification they are striving to achieve.

I think I was reading somewhere (else?) that RP's AFSC wasn't going to work well on a rotary. I don't know the reason. I hope I'm wrong.



Your wrong...dead wrong...



http://www.catwack.com/pics/791.jpg

You're missing my point. The Pettit S/C runs well for many people with the Int-X and Pettit has used the Ultimate in the past. What is it that makes the AFSC so difficult to tune with the same engine management? Three of the forum's best tuners have tried to help RP, to no avail.

I argued the same point...

The reason...It WILL be available AFTER its on the market for anyone to do anything they want with...

But the first sales shall be in kits...turn key fool proof kits...

If you screw it up on your own...its your fault...but at least he can say that it works as designed if you use the kit...

;)

Thank the Gods you came along! I've driven two RX8's, and came this close to buying an '05 Shinka. What a perfectly sorted chassis, with the best turn-in and balance you can get! So what's my beef? You guessed it - power. But, adding high-end/low torque power to a rotary by turbocharging just doesn't make sense (I had a modified '82 RX7, naturally aspirated). Where's my supercharger? Now I have found it. Tell you what - I'll give you a little time for R&D if you'll give me a little time to budget for your coming axial kit. Deal? Hey, I've got to buy the car first! Thanks again! I've added your website to my favorites.....

^^ Lol.

Thank the Gods you came along! I've driven two RX8's, and came this close to buying an '05 Shinka. What a perfectly sorted chassis, with the best turn-in and balance you can get! So what's my beef? You guessed it - power. But, adding high-end/low torque power to a rotary by turbocharging just doesn't make sense (I had a modified '82 RX7, naturally aspirated). Where's my supercharger? Now I have found it. Tell you what - I'll give you a little time for R&D if you'll give me a little time to budget for your coming axial kit. Deal? Hey, I've got to buy the car first! Thanks again! I've added your website to my favorites.....

ummm....yeah.

We luvs our newbs!

Reflashing the ecu is already happening.
This is a beautiful system by a really great guy(a legend in a way)--but i am afraid that the complexity of the build(not the install), and the fact that even with a cobb unit (that will not solve all things) this kit will not happen for the mass market. Hell, i held out 3 yrs! I would love to have it but, I have come to realize that these cars are too individualized for a generic map to work well for them. Individual tuning is the key to make FI work properly on the renasis. Sure you can have all the factory sensors and the stft/ltft, barometic pressures etc etc, stuff but to still get the power that people want, imho, you have to have control of the parameters. Dont get me wrong--a flash will work, but it will not work as good as an individual tune. And since people when looking at a major mod such as FI will not want an "average." and the fact there will be a large learning curve with an axiel flow compressor, i say for all intents and purposes --unfortunately and with a tear in my eye i admitted to myself that this project is dead
i hope i am wrong.
olddragger

Reflashing the ecu is already happening.
I would love to have it but, I have come to realize that these cars are too individualized for a generic map to work well for them.

I strongly disagree. With a modern ecu (NOT the int-x by any stretch of the imagination...), you have temperature control, barometric control, and fuel trims actually referencing a WBO2 sensor to keep or get your car in tune.

...not to say any reasonable tune wouldn't have a margin of safety built in that some over anxious person who has a death wish for their engine couldn't get more power from an individual dyno tune

Reflashing the ecu is already happening.
This is a beautiful system by a really great guy(a legend in a way)--but i am afraid that the complexity of the build(not the install), and the fact that even with a cobb unit (that will not solve all things) this kit will not happen for the mass market. Hell, i held out 3 yrs! I would love to have it but, I have come to realize that these cars are too individualized for a generic map to work well for them. Individual tuning is the key to make FI work properly on the renasis. Sure you can have all the factory sensors and the stft/ltft, barometic pressures etc etc, stuff but to still get the power that people want, imho, you have to have control of the parameters. Dont get me wrong--a flash will work, but it will not work as good as an individual tune. And since people when looking at a major mod such as FI will not want an "average." and the fact there will be a large learning curve with an axiel flow compressor, i say for all intents and purposes --unfortunately and with a tear in my eye i admitted to myself that this project is dead
i hope i am wrong.
olddragger


You can individually tune all the parameters in the ECU using the Cobb unit.

You can individually tune all the parameters in the ECU using the Cobb unit.

Maybe I'm missing something but I understood the post by olddragger to be talking about a generic flash. How did the Cobb unit come into play? Your causing me to go back and reread the Cobb forum cuz I don't remember them saying that all parameters will be available.

I think the issue with reflasing will come up when people need to change their fueling. Right now, nobody is attempting to use a reflash for more power than the stock fuel system can support. What happens when people need more fuel??

Maybe I'm missing something but I understood the post by olddragger to be talking about a generic flash. How did the Cobb unit come into play? Your causing me to go back and reread the Cobb forum cuz I don't remember them saying that all parameters will be available.

I assumed when we were talking about flashing for F/I we would be talking about Cobb. You sure wouldn't want to get a Racing Beat flash that is specifically setup for N/A and try to get that to run a F/I system. Maybe I'm missing something here?

And between the street tuner software, the upcomming advanced street tuner software and the pro tuner software you may not have control of *everything* but you have control of *everything you need or would matter*. Better?

I think the issue with reflasing will come up when people need to change their fueling. Right now, nobody is attempting to use a reflash for more power than the stock fuel system can support. What happens when people need more fuel??

With the Cobb software you can tell the AP what size injectors you are adding and it will adjust accordingly. At least this is the way it is for the scoobie community. I can't see it being any different for us.

...unfortunately and with a tear in my eye i admitted to myself that this project is dead
i hope i am wrong.
olddragger

Maybe someone who knows RP could ask him to reply to the rumors.

The reason he wants to wait for the AP is because its the best thing to use to reduce the complexity of pre/post install...

You get the AFSC+AP...and you get a base tune which according to the unspoken "plan"...Richard was to send his RX-8 with the AFSC up to Cobb so they could create a base map.

But if you do ANY FI...you should ALWAYS get it tuned...never rely on the base map to be what you should be running...but I digress...

So if you get the "kit"...you can also retune after install...because you will already have the tools needed to do it...

Again...the whole thing simply "makes sense"...which is why he has won this round with me for now...

Waitin on Cobb...

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :patriot:

Richard was using the Int-X AND the Greddy E-manage for some time (this was about a year ago). He was having issues getting it to boost at the right RPM range. I can't remember if it was NOT boosting until 6K or if it was only boosting UNTIL 6K. (richard told me when I was at his shop but I must be losing my memory in my old age...)

True. It didn't make boost until around 6K or so. It was up there somewhere. This can not be due to poor tuning as boost is based off of engine speed. There was nothing wrong with the ability of either ecu tried. They were just too pricey and didn't fit the "package" in a way he wanted. The Cobb solution won't make it work any better than the other ones did in regards to boost. Charles is correct. Put two and two together along with above information.

Cobb forums are down btw...

Due to the influx of RX-8 complaints...heh

Thank the Gods you came along! I've driven two RX8's, and came this close to buying an '05 Shinka. What a perfectly sorted chassis, with the best turn-in and balance you can get! So what's my beef? You guessed it - power. But, adding high-end/low torque power to a rotary by turbocharging just doesn't make sense (I had a modified '82 RX7, naturally aspirated). Where's my supercharger? Now I have found it. Tell you what - I'll give you a little time for R&D if you'll give me a little time to budget for your coming axial kit. Deal? Hey, I've got to buy the car first! Thanks again! I've added your website to my favorites.....

... and this is why I'm ignoring the drama and speculation. :)

True. It didn't make boost until around 6K or so. It was up there somewhere. This can not be due to poor tuning as boost is based off of engine speed.

aha... as an engineer I can see /very/ costly mechanical solutions for this. that's the thing isn't it? that'd be a lot of trouble to fix... glad we're still waiting then instead of dealing with a lackluster product.

As a twinkie...I can see...another twinkie...

As a twinkie...I can see...another twinkie...

And it is Evil!


An Ceiling Cat sed im gonna pwnz all teh ppl An aminals what i has maded on teh urth; ppl An moo cows An creepy crawlyz An burdz ov teh skyz An burdz liek ostridges An stuf who cant flyz; cuz i so sry i maded them.

But Ceiling Cat liekd noah alot.

This is story about noah. noah wuz rightchus d00d, An liek mor rightchus then any1 els. noah hung out wif Ceiling Cat alot An lissend 2 tunez An played pokemons An stuff.. An sum tiems Ceiling Cat even letz him winz cuz he liekd him alot.

^^^And the longest streak in recent memory of staying on topic for this thread just ended. :p:

There is no "on-topic" for this thread.
The subject is effectively vaporware and all of the relevant information about it was imparted 150 pages ago.

We've seen the device. We've seen it operate. We know, more or less, what it is capable of. Hell, I had it in my garage for a week - I know it exists.
However, its creator has not positioned himself to make it available to the masses. So, until he decides otherwise, its done. Nothing to see here.

Mac is officially the forum genius now.

Why can't someone just hire a bunch of strippers and take Richard on a lascivious night out on the town? It will work, trust me.

AFSC is back in business!

I think Phil gets dumber and dumber with every post...

I guess too much to expect that someone would do the obvious and phone Richard. He was across from us at SSX andHe told me he was too busy to go on line for the forum. He avoided questions from me on the s/c. This caused my feeling that it's gone away. One of you must have his #. That would end all this speculation.

I speak not speculation...I speaketh truthes....

http://www.catwack.com/pics/439.jpg

As a twinkie...I can see...another twinkie...

As a twinkie you will never go bad thanks to all those preservatives, as well as being nearly indestructable until eaten! XD

I have his phone number. I know what he has said he is going to do which he hasn't really expanded on here. It's not my place to repeat it without him doing so first though.

rotarygod...pfft...more like...rotaryskank...

Fred's got everyone's number...

Heh...

Fred: Why not a little call from you asking him to post. I already have my s/c so if it is history, which I think it is, then other people can make their plans accordingly.

He really wants to get back into V8's if that tells you anything. Is the RX-8 project totally dead? I don't know but nothing has changed in over a year which isn't a good sign for the future. He will never make his money back on the 8 and he knows it.

yeah, Richard kept talking about hotrods and big blocks while I was chatting with him at Sevenstock.

**hint hint** **wink wink**

Guys, just let it go.

^^^^ I wish SHE would let go...

^^^^ I wish SHE would let go...
Ur full of these today Jorge huh? :lol:

^^^^ I wish SHE would let go...

She CANT let it go...The mind is willing but the flesh is weak...and squishy...and quite possibly has a shattered pelvis...

I think Phil gets dumber and dumber with every post...

Uh, nice "lowrider" comment in Taja's for sale thread. It might be prudent to delete those divisive comments, brainiac.

Uh, nice "lowrider" comment in Taja's for sale thread. It might be prudent to delete those divisive comments, brainiac.

This post is worthless without links...

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=126823

Posts #29, 30, and 31. Those are racist comments.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=126823

Posts #29, 30, and 31. Those are racist comments.

OK Dude...STFU...wow I can't believe I wasted my time...

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=126823

Posts #29, 30, and 31. Those are racist comments.

this has nothing to do with this thread, please take your grudge outside of it.

Actually, they are Nationalist (Fascist) since a "Mexican" may be one of many different races, just like an American.

The very fact that you think it is racist makes you a racist.

We are closing in on 5300 posts here and no real info is forthcoming.

Uh, sorry, MM, but you are simply and merely wrong...in two ways. Why couldn't you just be wrong once? But you had to be wrong twice in one ridiculous comment. Impressive intellect.

wow classic...

Via PM

Re: kids, retards, and dummies

Originally Posted by Phil_Hendrie_is_back
Regardless of what your little brain thinks, those are by definition racist comments. Even a retarded kid should be able to realize it.

Reply:

Whine Whine Whine...* * *...

Get the stick out of your * you pompous *...

There I think that solves it...haa haa haa

BTW mod clean up...isle here...

kthxbai

"rx8club, your punching bag after having a bad day."

haa...

Impressive intellect.

Thank you.
At least you are rational enough to recognize that.

keep it up phil - this could be a great way to close off this thread .

why can't people stfu inside this thread, and only things related too the item on topic are talked about. I'm not the first person too be such a bitch about it, but I really really want too hear this god damn s/c with a rotary engine. two unique ideas driving as a DD would please my days forever... What's the point of life?

I think Phil gets dumber and dumber with every post...

Sorry about that Keef, I agree with you completely.

Everything was on topic until Jedi posted this about my humorous and practical suggestion that someone take Richard out on a night with a bunch of strippers.

Aside from getting the Cobb AP done or getting a billionaire financier, my suggestion is the only practical one given by anyone here, including all the people bitching about the current situation. You make problems, I solve them. I'm a problem solver. What ideas do you guys have to save the AFSC?

Anyone who knows Richard knows the immense influence strippers can have. Hey, if Richard finds that offensive, then I'll recant, but I wasn't trying to offend him and I happen to think he'll be happy about it. Because it's the only thing even a little bit positive around this thread lately.

Rich has enough problems with his current girlfriends - I don't think strippers are going to motivate him additionally.

Rich has enough problems with his current girlfriends

HA! You say that like it ever changes!:rolleyes:

Enough Already! Warning! That goes for you too Phil- RG

Sad to see that this project is basically dead. :(

Enough Already! Warning! That goes for you too Phil- RG

whoa... the RG possessed the twinkie. why couldn't a certain other god-like being do a miracle that cool? o.o;

^yeah, I know what you're saying. this is the item a lot of us were waiting for for a long long time. AFSC + rotary would = utter neatness.

Enough Already! Warning! That goes for you too Phil- RG

Haa...Funny cause I had just PM'ed abbid for mod cleanup....

Then I felt a finger in the back of my brain...next thing you know...I have Fred running all thru my body...

Told you he was skanky...haa

:lol2:

Everything was on topic until Jedi posted this about my humorous and practical suggestion that someone take Richard out on a night with a bunch of strippers.
Phil, you knuckle head, that wasn't even me. :rofl:
Oh, and as for the "racist" remark I made in Taja's thread....those in that thread who have met me, know that I am hispanic! I'm pretty sure that means I'm not racist towards my own people. :lol2:

-Jorge

^^^ there, that help?

Phil is gone, and won't be back.

S

Haa...Funny cause I had just PM'ed abbid for mod cleanup....

Then I felt a finger in the back of my brain...next thing you know...I have Fred running all thru my body...

Told you he was skanky...haa

:lol2:
:biggthump

And meow for something different...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3JCESdFNyw

Afterwards I think you can join me by saying...WTF...seriously...I'm still confused...

This thread reads like a Soap Opera...

This thread reads like a Soap Opera...

ok...so... Taja will likely get a brain tumor and RP's evil twin's gonna show up. Twinkie's having an affair with Dominion until RG shows up and discovers their dirty little secret... TUNE IN NEXT WEEK! XD

edit: I'm considering actually starting a thread like this out in the lounge now. let folks just toss in on it. XD

ok...so... Taja will likely get a brain tumor and RP's evil twin's gonna show up. Twinkie's having an affair with Dominion until RG shows up and discovers their dirty little secret... TUNE IN NEXT WEEK! XD

For another episode of The Powerless, the Raceless and the Racist

Sad to see that this project is basically dead. :(

Its not dead - its pining for the fjords!


edit: I'm considering actually starting a thread like this out in the lounge now. let folks just toss in on it. XD

Do it! That'll be farking hilarious!

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2115399#post2115399

for those interested in more soap! let the hilarity commence! XD

-Jorge

^^^ there, that help?

not really that looks scandanavian- like Jorge Jorgesson:mdrmed:

:rofl:

[QUOTE=MazdaManiac;2115294]Its not dead - its pining for the fjords!



yeah but it's got a beautiful plumage. . .

this forum needs a forum vendor for midol ...

(and no, its not for me...)

Now were making racist remarks against Scandinavians? :)

No, no.....No, he's stunned!

mm this is one of your best avatars thank you

Now were making racist remarks against Scandinavians? :)


yea here is one.. they tend to be really really hot... the guys not so much.

beers :beer:

lol

This is not official or anything, but I just received an email from Richard, he says the project is not dead and they are working on the efficiency. Not much news, but it gives me some hope.

Well that's good.

... the project is not dead and they are working on the efficiency.

I have had touble following this latest twist and turn. What gave someone the perception that the project status had changed for the worse?

I have had touble following this latest twist and turn. What gave someone the perception that the project status had changed for the worse?The project status has not changed in 2 years.

i believe its dead because it doesnt add a decent amount in horsepower.

this wouldn't be a modification to add a mass amount of HP, instead, think of it as something to give it just that little extra bit of kick. some of us aren't looking for a huge boost...if we were we'd just bolt on some huge turbo or somesuch. ^_^

this wouldn't be a modification to add a mass amount of HP, instead, think of it as something to give it just that little extra bit of kick. some of us aren't looking for a huge boost...if we were we'd just bolt on some huge turbo or somesuch. ^_^

I guess that depends on how you define "mass amount", "huge boost" and “little extra bit of kick". For me "little extra bit of kick" would be between 25 and 50 HP, and in that case, it would not be worth installing, "mass amount" would be something 150 to 200 HP, which would probably require upgrades to the drive train and would be a larger project that I would be willing to tackle. The right amount of boost for me would probably be round 100 HP.

It’s all about the numbers...and of course price is one of those too. So hopefully the numbers RP finely release will be in the right ballpark for a lot of people so he can recoup his expenses on the project and make some money for his effort.

Unfortunately the window of opportunity is closing...

The turbo kits are all starting to come down in price...

For example...

$5k gets you either a turbo kit, or a supercharger...

SC ~ +80-175 WHP
TC ~ +100-400* WHP (*theoretically if they solve the ignition issue)

So for the same money the real question is...what is my long term goal?

A few AFSC pages ago...the rough estimates were that the AFSC kit would be ~$5k.

So....if it is ever released I am sure a few people would purchase it....but a majority will purchase whatever is going to give them the biggest "number" which unfortunately I do not think the AFSC will provide.

It would have to priced lower or have a compelling feature in the face of the current competition. And that problem is only going to get worse as time goes on.

Well there is another variable that is often overlooked.

Drivability...

How easy will it be to drive?

How comfortable?

How smooth?

To me drivability is an important aspect.

I have a tough time adding something that is going to make me not like my car half of the time.

A good example is stiff coilovers or springs, yes they can add performance but on rough roads they ask the question: "Should I have left it stock?"

That and ease of install. Theoretically a supercharger is safer than a turbo.

I saw the pure advantage of this sc being packaging.

No intercooler, and it's compact size and light weight would have made it a great addition for track cars. And without the intercooler, there's nothing fighting the radiator and such for air coming through the nose.

It may not have offered the most hp, but rarely do I see any track guys on this forum cry about how they need more hp. And for the extra 80-90 bhp that this SC would have offered, that would be enough I'm sure to move the RX-8 from NASA TTD class car to maybe even as high as a TTB.

I saw the pure advantage of this sc being packaging.

No intercooler, and it's compact size and light weight would have made it a great addition for track cars. And without the intercooler, there's nothing fighting the radiator and such for air coming through the nose.

It may not have offered the most hp, but rarely do I see any track guys on this forum cry about how they need more hp. And for the extra 80-90 bhp that this SC would have offered, that would be enough I'm sure to move the RX-8 from NASA TTD class car to maybe even as high as a TTB.

Right, and for all those reasons I was willing to wait for it...

But...tis the season...and as soon as I get my money...the cash isnt the only thing thats gonna get blown...

Quite possibly the motor in all likelihood...haa

A Swiss axial flow compressor from 1964:

http://www.equipnet.com/browse/asset_view.asp?listid=78274&custid=17&acro=MKT

Rated: 108500CFM @ 14.3Psig, discharge, 50Psig, feeding a secondary axial flow compressor, rated 38000CFM @ 42Psig, discharge 120Psig @ 85 deg F.

theoratically a supercharger is better than a turbo charger in there is less to maintain and less parts that can go wrong, easier install

but I would prefer a turbo over a supercharger in the modability and fun factor :)

108,500 cfm would be more than 14psi on the renesis, if my math is correct.

A couple more!

theoratically a supercharger is better than a turbo charger in there is less to maintain and less parts that can go wrong, easier install

but I would prefer a turbo over a supercharger in the modability and fun factor :)

Please don't open that can of worms again...:wallbash:

108,500 cfm would be more than 14psi on the renesis, if my math is correct.

Actually it is 108,500 cfm, 50 psi (1st stage)
and 38,000 cfm, 120 psi (2nd stage)

but what I found most interesting: 120 psi @ 85 deg F !

(14.3 psi is atmospheric pressure at intake.)

Sorry to get off topic (as if it hasn't been done already) but is there any word from Hymee? He kind of dropped off the planet after SSX.

This is interesting. Novidem centrifugal kompressor for RX8 @ 320ps. Novidem's kompressor has low end grunt plus top end to boot.

http://rx8-ff.boards.sunhost.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=1636&sid=27372145a76c913ef58b2940ffa6d597

Have you guys seen the Jackson Racing rotrex s/c for the S2000? They are claiming 400hp 280tq 10psi @ $6495, ecu flash et al.

They also have a 5psi 300whp @ $5495 with piggy back CARB certified.

to unsubscribe or not, that is the question.

to unsubscribe or not, that is the question.

I'm ready to unsuscribe. Now were down to talking about s/c for other cars. Family talk, air planes, sex and lack of response was fine but other cars - I'm done.

What differance does it make?

i miss the old twin turbo setup for the rx7

Have you guys seen the Jackson Racing rotrex s/c for the S2000? They are claiming 400hp 280tq 10psi @ $6495, ecu flash et al.

They also have a 5psi 300whp @ $5495 with piggy back CARB certified.

+20Whp per psi is very common on the S2000. especially when a equal length turbo manifold is used.

SO 400whp @10psi is attainable with the OEM header is still in place and a upgraded exhaust is used with the Rotrex

3 years and 1 less rx8 and still nothing. maybe when i lease another rx8 in 2010 their will be some progress.

3 years and 1 less rx8 and still nothing. maybe when i lease another rx8 in 2010 their will be some progress.

And almost two months since RP has made a post to this thread. :(

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone !

*unsubscribe* :(

Axial Flow Supercharger...R.I.P.

fixed
Mazda RX-8Axial Flow Supercharger Project...R.I.P.

Shoo..... My car is not even out from under warrenty yet... I for one am still 'in'.

My car just ran out. I would have done this while it was still in warranty, but now I am waiting to see if a new Mazda is coming out or I may have to move to Cayman S. I have been buying Mazdas for over 20 years, but I am liking the new Porsches.

Ah I think the Axial Flow is waiting on the COBB AccessPort, so that is why its quiet. The COBB seems really close to releasing it for the NA RX-8 MTs.

However, it would be nice if RP teamed up with Pettit as they have an ECU flash for their SC kit.

Yeah Pettit is a supercharger competitor, but they have an ECU flash, and if the Axial Flow is going to be released there is nothing they can do to stop IT. So it makes sense to team up. Like the way Mazsport hooked Pettit kits up with the Int-X, until they got their ECU flash finished.

Ah I think the Axial Flow is waiting on the COBB AccessPort, so that is why its quiet. The COBB seems really close to releasing it for the NA RX-8 MTs.

However, it would be nice if RP teamed up with Pettit as they have an ECU flash for their SC kit.

Yeah Pettit is a supercharger competitor, but they have an ECU flash, and if the Axial Flow is going to be released there is nothing they can do to stop IT. So it makes sense to team up. Like the way Mazsport hooked Pettit kits up with the Int-X, until they got their ECU flash finished.

Don't hold your breath. Ain't gona hapen. The only sure thing is Cobb releasing on their own.

True Phil--besides the flash would not work with the axial flow--boost parameters are different. It would be nice though if it would.
oscd

True Phil--besides the flash would not work with the axial flow--boost parameters are different. It would be nice though if it would.
oscd

Huh? "Boost parameters"? What is that?
Air is air. If the flash will only work with one form of FI, then there is something wrong with it.

what happened to the AF supercharger? ever since SSX seems like nothing happened?

Huh? "Boost parameters"? What is that?
Air is air. If the flash will only work with one form of FI, then there is something wrong with it.


Turbo boost is diff than supercharger boost.

i figured the master would know that

duh


haha.

maybe he is saying that the flash is tuned for only a certain psi.
either way a flash is a flash.

Turbo boost is diff than supercharger boost.

i figured the master would know that

duh


haha.

maybe he is saying that the flash is tuned for only a certain psi.
either way a flash is a flash.

Pettit = Supercharger
Axial Flow 'Supercharger' = ...

:wallbash:

As far as the engine is concerned FI is FI, how it gets there matters little at that point.

Hmm - PSI from a turbo-supercharger is different from an axial-supercharger is different from a screw-supercharger???

I'll ask this... What does the ECU know about the "boost" (i.e. manifold pressure?). Think about that one. :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Turbo boost is diff than supercharger boost.

Oh yeah, I forgot!

Supercharger boost is made with the tears of Ugandan children.

^^^ :rofl: