The software interface from my understanding...they hired some developers to create the gui...more than likely we will not see the access port hand held unit but instead a software package on a PC via a cable.

The software interface from my understanding...they hired some developers to create the gui...more than likely we will not see the access port hand held unit but instead a software package on a PC via a cable.

Well, that sucks if its not going to be the access port hand held unit. Software development can be very tricky and full of bugs.... Software developers are famous for delays, bugs, and more delays...

I'm not understanding why it would be an advantage to go the PC and cable route. Obviously, there might be things that the accessport can't do, but the PC and software can.... but what is it???

I think that if they really can't make this year (which is close to half over), that the AFSC should be released anyway. At least people with the Int-X can play with it, until Cobb finally releases their solution (via Accessport or PC w/ cable).

Richard never intended for this to be a play with it/tuner type of kit. From my earlier understanding in the thread this is going to be as close to a set it and forget it kit as you can get. Which is just fine by me :)

The software interface from my understanding...they hired some developers to create the gui...more than likely we will not see the access port hand held unit but instead a software package on a PC via a cable.

I shouldn't need to post this for you, since you're on the Cobbforum and have responded, but again, straight from Trey:

Not too long after we release the AccessPORT for the RX-8 we hope to have the professional and street Tuning software available. That way you can have the car custom tuned to your particular setup, extracting maximum gains. Our mapping will work very well on most cars, but in order to do so we have to consider the averages. Not all cars are the same so if we tune for absolute maximum power on one car, those settings will likely not be ideal for another.

There's been no indication from Trey, or anyone that works for him, that it will not be the AccessPORT. The only exception to this is members on this forum claiming that they are in-the-know and that it won't be (I'm not specifically referring to you).

Yep I saw that...and hopefully I am wrong. The info I have gathered leads me to believe that we will be seeing a dongle+software package first. But since I dont work for them and no one really knows what is actually going on...we'll just have to see. The handheld tuner would make life easier for sure.

Richard never intended for this to be a play with it/tuner type of kit. From my earlier understanding in the thread this is going to be as close to a set it and forget it kit as you can get. Which is just fine by me :)

Yea except that it would be helpful to sell the units to tuners and let them worry about it. Mazsport I bet could get it to work pretty well and then sell it as a kit. It would be higher priced than the final product from Richard, but at least you could get SOME market traction and installations going. Why just sit on your thumbs and NOT make money when you could start selling the units NOW and make money while your waiting for COBB? Makes financial sense to me...but then again when I make products I usually try to sell them.

Personally i would much rather see a software/dongle package kit first and foremost. This will really keep the price down.

if they decided to develop a handheld unit later that is fine, as long as it doesnt delay the release of the initial software/dongle package for the rx8.

Yea except that it would be helpful to sell the units to tuners and let them worry about it. Mazsport I bet could get it to work pretty well and then sell it as a kit. It would be higher priced than the final product from Richard, but at least you could get SOME market traction and installations going. Why just sit on your thumbs and NOT make money when you could start selling the units NOW and make money while your waiting for COBB? Makes financial sense to me...but then again when I make products I usually try to sell them.

When it comes to a new product sometimes a first impression is all you get. I can't blame Richard for wanting to be 100% sure of the quality of his final released product.

New? RP's first post was 05-28-2004 @ 02:26 PM. On the 28th of this month, it will be it's three year anniversary.

The clock doen't start ticking untill the sale of the first unit. You can't exactly start counting the life sapan of a product from the start of it's R&D. If you could the RX-8 would be about 8 years old, not 4.

I'm pretty sure that the AFSC itself has bugs worked out. It's the EMU/Tuning that is said to be the hold up. We KNOW that other people out there have the experience to tackle that problem. And while I understand that he cant focus his time on this because he has other things to do which make him money...well that problem can be remedied...sell the units themselves to anyone who wants them with NO warranty...I am POSITIVE a tuner will pick one up...and sell it as a (albeit more expensive) kit. He sells units...keeps his focus on the other things...and makes money both ways until COBB releases and he can devote some time to this project to finally sell it as he intended as a kit for a lower price. You then have two options...the "standard" plug and play kit...or the "High-Power" (cause you know thats what will happen) kit from a third party tuner. Any way you slice it...he's is selling UNITS and turning a profit.

I miss anything?

Richard knows that there are many here, sitting on their hands, waiting for him to release. They aren't willing to accept anything else.

^ I know, I'm just frustrated that he does not post anymore here.

I'm pretty sure that the AFSC itself has bugs worked out. It's the EMU/Tuning that is said to be the hold up. We KNOW that other people out there have the experience to tackle that problem. And while I understand that he cant focus his time on this because he has other things to do which make him money...well that problem can be remedied...sell the units themselves to anyone who wants them with NO warranty...I am POSITIVE a tuner will pick one up...and sell it as a (albeit more expensive) kit. He sells units...keeps his focus on the other things...and makes money both ways until COBB releases and he can devote some time to this project to finally sell it as he intended as a kit for a lower price. You then have two options...the "standard" plug and play kit...or the "High-Power" (cause you know thats what will happen) kit from a third party tuner. Any way you slice it...he's is selling UNITS and turning a profit.

I miss anything?If he supplies someone else as a oem , they go aggressive and make more power (with their tune) than he does, then he sells less units for less money. He also looses controll of the unit. If engines blow, who gets the blame?

I'm just talking about making money. Plain and simple. He's got units...he can turn a profit. Hell I would probably want to only buy the SC itself so I can build my own setup anyway. Sucks I have to wait for a "kit" only to dismantle it to get what I wanted out of it.

If he supplies someone else as a oem , they go aggressive and make more power (with their tune) than he does, then he sells less units for less money.

Umm...he is the ONLY supplier of the units so if they sell more of thier kit, he's still turning a good profit and reducing liability on his part. The more THEY sell, the more HE sells.

He also looses controll of the unit. If engines blow, who gets the blame?

How does he lose control of the unit? I do not understand that statement. It's his and he holds the patents/rights to prevent others from copy-cat's.

If a third party tuner sells the kit and the engine blows...you go back to the tuner. It's like purchasing a turbo kit from mazsport. If the kit blows your motor do you go back and bitch out turbonetics since it was THIER snail? No...you go to the vendor of the kit.

I just got my computer back from a week in the sick computer hospital. I havn't tried all the programs but everything is supposed to work. Maybe I can put in pictures now.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.

At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.

As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.

It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.

As always thanks for the update! :)

I just got my computer back from a week in the sick computer hospital. I havn't tried all the programs but everything is supposed to work. Maybe I can put in pictures now.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.

At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.

As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.

It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.

smart like tuna.. thanks rp.

beers :beer:

I just got my computer back from a week in the sick computer hospital. I havn't tried all the programs but everything is supposed to work. Maybe I can put in pictures now.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.

At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.

As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.

It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.

You suck for making perfect sense...haa haa...

Good to know that your planning on selling it bare. Thanks for the update.

smart like tuna.. thanks rp.

beers :beer:

If tuna were so smart then why do they get caught in nets?!?!

Hopefully there will be a website or somethign with specific specs and pricing when this reaches its release date? For someone who has not forged through 325 pages up until now... the info on the kit is like a needle in a haystack.

At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work.ooo- can we go also?

j/k - good luck to both of you, and sorry for getting pissy about you not posting. PC's are at times just like women, can't live with them and you can't live without them.

:D:

Which is why I have at least three PC's availible to me at all times...ALL times...

Which is why I have at least three PC's availible to me at all times...ALL times...

LOL Does that go for women too?

If tuna were so smart then why do they get caught in nets?!?!

yep they get caught in nets, but they dont say its done till it is in the can..

beers :beer:

LOL Does that go for women too?

I tried that a while ago but found that it creates too many system interuptions/conflicts when in close proximity to each other. I am also not Jeff (MM) so unfortunately it was only two at any given time. Finally it was waay too easy to catch a virus or randomly crash on you forcing you to perform maintinence all the freaking time. More trouble than what its worth my friend...haa

they dont say its done till it is in the can..

beers :beer:

Thats what she said....<Symbol hit here>

Tip your waitress I'll be here all night..

Thats what she said....<Symbol hit here>

Tip your waitress I'll be here all night..

and bartenders.. duh. we make the product. they just ship. :spank:


beers :beer:

ooo- can we go also?

j/k - good luck to both of you, and sorry for getting pissy about you not posting. PC's are at times just like women, can't live with them and you can't live without them.

:D:

Or in the eternal words of Bundy: "Can't live with 'em, can't herd 'em to Canada."

New? RP's first post was 05-28-2004 @ 02:26 PM. On the 28th of this month, it will be it's three year anniversary.

Maybe 4yearstoSupercharge knows something we dont!?

:cwm27:

I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.

It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.

Just keep in mind that no matter how bullet proof you make it, some dipwad will screw it up and will blow their engine.

Even if it is perfect, and installed correctly, someone will still blow their engine due to some unforeseen issue, either a mechanical defect or something else.

Greddy is known for popping rx engines, but you don;t really see a huge backlash agains them here, it's oh well blew my engine.. time for a rebuild and make more power..

The only thing rx8r's hate and constanly whine about is delayed products and vaporware.

The amount of customer support and service that comes with the axial flow shifter is simply amazing. If he throws half that effort into supporting the supercharger he will be light years ahead of some of the other forced induction companies.

Maybe 4yearstoSupercharge knows something we dont!?

:cwm27:


:rolleyes: I'll never tell....

:rolleyes: I'll never tell....

Dont ask dont tell? :ky:

Just keep in mind that no matter how bullet proof you make it, some dipwad will screw it up and will blow their engine.

Even if it is perfect, and installed correctly, someone will still blow their engine due to some unforeseen issue, either a mechanical defect or something else.

Greddy is known for popping rx engines, but you don;t really see a huge backlash agains them here, it's oh well blew my engine.. time for a rebuild and make more power..

The only thing rx8r's hate and constanly whine about is delayed products and vaporware.

Like a fine wine, some things just take time.

Right now, thee EMU is Int-X, but that adds a lot of cost. It can do a damn good job, but its plain expensive.

I'm waiting around for ECU flashes for the SC kits (which by the way should be easier to do than for a turbo kit because the math for MAF/Air/Fuel is easier) or the RX-8 AccessPort by Cobb. I'm not going to make my move until then, and I suspect so will a number of other people.

The AFSC with cheap EMU or ECU flashes, should be a good deal.

I could not agree more. The differance between 4500 and 6000 or 5500 and 7000 may not seem like a lot for some of the more wealthy members of this forum. But for a law school student and new grad, those numbers can be night and day. Additionally, anything that is more easily reversible back to stock is ALWAYS going to attract more buyers.

Or for a college student... You know how hard it is too hit a 0-60 time of less than 5 secs when your side job in waiting?

I've been debating between this type of FI or nitrous... Before then I'll have the AcessPort, because that surely seems like a good idea were all waiting for...

I hope this thing goes into creation though, I remember when I was 18 and reading up on these forums when I didn't even own an 8. I saw this thread and saw a good promising idea, but it's been three years! :/

For the poor college student type of person, the most logical choice to go faster on a small budget is nitrous. You just can't do forced induction cheaply unless you source all of the parts and do it yourself. If you want a kit you either will pay for one done properly or pay for a cheap one that isn't.

The axialflow.com website now has some picteres of the new facility.
We're testing a new compressor this afternoon and I swear it will be the final design if it passes tests.:banghead:
In the future someday I will run across all these test blowers and shoot myself for having done this. Of course at that time I will know all the answers and wonder why it took me so long.:Eyecrazy:


BTW I have a new Nilon D80 and my computer has been fixed. I just have to figure out how to shrink pictures so they fit the forum rules. Then we can place pictures all we want.:)

BTW, I have heard from Hymee and he is finally feeling better and wants to get back to work. We are all happy to hear this Hymee.

I need three more posts:lol2:

The new facility is awesome and your machine shop is very impressive. Best of luck with everything.

Paul.

^Woah - nice and clean looking for sure! Congrats

that place is really nice.

You can try a free hosting service like:

http://www.imageshack.us/

it does resizing.

Cool stuff RP.

I like how you parked the yellow RX-8 out front in your facility picture just for us! You're the best RP :)

You can use Microsoft Power Toys Image Resizer. Download it, install it, then right click the image and select a size and place to store it.

Can't beat the price.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

Or you can use Picasa from Google (to share your photos online for free - resizing is automated too):

http://picasa.google.com/

Very nice shop:Eyecrazy:

good luck with the new design RP. :)

good luck RP,
I think I have saved enough $ for this SC and just in time for it s about to reach production.

what kind of shop is this!!!????--no dang girlie calenders, no shop rags, no greasy work bench, no open containers of gasoline with people smoking unfiltered camels close by, no chain hoist----no dang wonder you aint done yet!
olddragger

stripper pole, duh...

how do you make a living?????

and btw, looks good..


beers :beer:

That isn't a garage! THIS is a garage:

http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/stills/clutter.jpg

I think Jimmy Hoffa might be buried in there...

i knew jimmy hoffa.. and you are no jimmy hoffa...

btw if you have a pole, they will come....

beers :beer:

I can't wait too hear the price and numbers on this kit... Once it's actually done...

Has anybody from AxialFlow Engineering talked to Mazda about using this kit for a Mazdaspeed RX-8???

Plus, Mazda should be able to do ECU magic and get an ECU flash that works with a Mazda endorsed FI kit.

I think the reason we don't see a Mazda Speed 8 is NOT the lack of FI options. There are plenty now.

It is more likely two causes, one the driveline would need to be beefed up in order to keep reliability at an acceptable level for a production car.(In addition a redesign of the intake) And two, ensuring emissions still are acceptable.

These take quiet a bit of money. To produce a car whose base cost would probably be in the low 30,000'a (As opposed to the low/mid 20,000's we have now.)

Not to mention the decreased reliability rating and increased costs as people over boost an FI solution released.

I don't expect them to do anything before the next update for the 8.

Does the "Lobby" = your desk? looks like my desk at work on a good day. right now it's a bad day and I have hard drives and papers stacked 3 feet high.

That isn't a garage! THIS is a garage:

http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/stills/clutter.jpg

AWWWW the old MX...*sniff* *sniff*....meeeemmmmooorrriiieesss...of the way we used to beeeeeeeee....

My desk is hidden in an office that is not photographed.:rolleyes:
I have to search for it.

MM, the one good thing about your garage is that you know where everything is.:Eyecrazy:

You know RP, I was thinking the other day about all the talk and people wanting your compressor now. I was attempting to see both sides of it; "give it to us now", and "not until i'm done." I came to one conclusion. Whatever your reasons are, tuning, management, compressor design; none of that even matters, this is YOUR project, and your apsiration. Only you are in the position to make any decisions about this project. And as hard as it is to swallow sometimes, I can respect that as I'm sure the others do. We will be patiently waiting. BTW the new shop looks great!

MM, the one good thing about your garage is that you know where everything is.:Eyecrazy:


Well, thankfully, that was the old garage. It did yield a few surprises when I moved out. All kinds of parts. I think there might have been an Ethiopian family in there somewhere, too.
The new garage is a bit more orderly.

http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/misc/garage.jpg

OT: I love the look of that MS kit........

WTF did the MX3 go?!? ohhh yeah...the way of the dinosaur...

Nice garage MM

so.. how long until i can buy a supercharger? just asking :)

I think no-one knows not even RP. We are waiting on COBB, last I heard, for engine management. Once that ships (supposedly later this summer) RP with have to finalize the tune with a COBB unit and then it would be ready to ship... I think.

I was taking a look at the picture of your garage and I kept wondering to myself. Where does he keep the naked women? I was expecting to see some Halogen Lamps, a Sofa, some cameras, maybe a green screen..

Oh well.

Keep up the good work RP! Can't wait to get screw'd.. oh wait, maybe this is the wrong supercharger thread for that.

Cant' wait to be charged! Yea, that's more like it.

This is not the same garage I saw a couple of weeks ago. I couldn't even walk in it.


http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/misc/garage.jpg

that's after a fresh cleaning, Erick. Last Sunday is was in walk-able condition!

Yeah, it looked like 1989 in Beirut for a couple of days there.
Amazing what a broom and some determination can accomplish.
Still no casting couch and disco ball, though...

you did not just say disco ball did you........

Disco ball.... enter the way back machine......

Yeah, man! Still hip! Gotta lava-lamp, too! Groovy!
Chicks dig it!

install that lava lamp in your RX-8... :D:

I actually got an old disco ball from a skating rink that shutdown...a few missing mirrors but still in pretty good shape...

Makes me wonder where in my garage it is now...I should definately get it installed...pretty F'n heavy tho...

disco balls are grooooovy, man.....

(random thought: we're almost at page 100 ! )

disco balls are grooooovy, man.....

(random thought: we're almost at page 100 ! )
Here you go. A disco ball for you.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=101051&stc=1&d=1180564221

all I see is a red X.
:fruit:

eviltwinkie: I think you should mount it in your garage. so when you're coming up the driveway, your headlights will hit it and blind everyone! :D:

I can take it one step further...set a relay to trigger funky disco music, a spot light, and a fog machine to go off when the door opener goes off...

"This is the garage that FUNK built!"

I can take it one step further...set a relay to trigger funky disco music, a spot light, and a fog machine to go off when the door opener goes off...

"This is the garage that FUNK built!"

I double dog dare ya... :fruit:

"This is the garage that FUNK built!"

Do i detect another Groove Armada fan??

Groove Armada FTW!!!

"This is the garage that FUNK built!"

http://filexoom.com/files/2006/12/23/49910/Groove%20Armada%20-%20I%20see%20you%20baby%20%28shaking%20that%20ass% 29%20%20%28Fatboy%20Slim%20mix%29.mp3

LET IT LOAD!!! its worth it!! Or better yet, right-click, save it so you can go on with your reading here.... but just remember twinkie's comment when you listen to it

Do i detect another Groove Armada fan??

Groove Armada FTW!!!

Amongst others...but of course!

Bluegrass also!
olddragger

so enough about the garage and new building..

how about some afsc news and some new pics for us to drool over :)

Richard you missed my birthday last october, how it looking this year?

Wow - I'd love it if my post tipped my old mates thread into the 200th page :)

Wow - I'd love it if my post tipped my old mates thread into the 200th page :)

Bugger - not that time. :(

try again

My turn :)

If you set the display to 40 posts per page we are only on 125... =)

Hah, nothing beats the default settings :p:

Here goes page 200!

EDIT: Dang. :(

Who will it be? :suspect:

Would be kinda funny if it was RP.

I'm about to move this thread to the lounge. There hasn't been anything relevant to the original thread title for over 100 pages now.

sad day---------------:)
olddragger

I'm about to move this thread to the lounge. There hasn't been anything relevant to the original thread title for over 100 pages now.

How about I send you a case of beer or bottle of whatever, and you prune/split all the crap out of this thread one night and keep the good stuff in a short thread.

Then it's not 5 pages of what's going on every other day.

How about I send you a case of beer or bottle of whatever, and you prune/split all the crap out of this thread one night and keep the good stuff in a short thread.

Then it's not 5 pages of what's going on every other day.
It would be easier to take the relevant posts and send them to a new thread but even then it would take a week to sort through 200 pages to find them. I spent a couple of days and deleted 13 pages a while back and no one even noticed.

Is it me?

Probably not.

Off to more trolling untill this becomes relevant again

I think Rich will start a new thread when it becomes "relevant" again.

200 pages! I'm waiting for the AFE SC if it is anywhere as good as the shifter. I'll be happy.

BTW j/k on the 200 pages thing. sucks mang.:uhh:

200 pages!

Almost.

mm i will give you the pleasure.. i know it is the one after this.. jump on it..

beers :beer:

mm i will give you the pleasure.. i know it is the one after this.. jump on it..

beers :beer:

Don't tempt me.






Ooops.

don't move this thread RG, you'll KILL Richard's poor post count. With his typing, we know how long it'll take him to regain those. :)

I'm sure he'll start a new thread when his 'test' car has logged some miles on it.

I'm about to move this thread to the lounge. There hasn't been anything relevant to the original thread title for over 100 pages now.

Thats not true on page 196 there was a relevant post. And that means that only the last 2% of the pages dont have relevant posts on it and that aint bad.


I just got my computer back from a week in the sick computer hospital. I havn't tried all the programs but everything is supposed to work. Maybe I can put in pictures now.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.

At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.

As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.

It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.

Thats not true on page 196 there was a relevant post. And that means that only the last 2% of the pages dont have relevant posts on it and that aint bad.

Thats because you dont see the 100+ pages that have been deleted.

Is there a new AFSC thread somewhere of is this one still active?

this thread is as active as it gets for now

Again, everything seems to be on hold as we wait for COBB to finish their engine management.

I havent been able to check up on this thread in a bit and I am just wondering where Richard stands on the whole project now.

Thanks.

Here's the latest from Richard:

I just got my computer back from a week in the sick computer hospital. I havn't tried all the programs but everything is supposed to work. Maybe I can put in pictures now.
Anyway I will confirm that we are talking with Cobb Tuning. I don't have much more inside info then some of you have so I will not call out dates.
I will say that I think this is a great match for the AFSC.

At this moment we have plans to ship our car up to Utah at the end of the month for some match up work. Trey tells me he can tune the car right now but the suppling of production type hardware is waiting on some fine componant rework and vender interface parts. They are a proven commodity and I beleive them.

As you guys know I am out of water when it comes to computer work. I can tell you the reason why we will not release the SC before we have our own electronics. If we give it to someone who blows an engine or just has poor results it will damage the image even if it is not our fault.

It's would be bad enough if we did something wrong but at least we would be getting because we screwed up. This doesn't mean that we will not sell it bare after the kit is out. Then we could always defend ourselves by pointing to good installationss. I'm not saying someone can't do it better, maybe they can but we need to be conservitive.

we're at around 90 days and counting until SevenStock....the pressure is ON!

^Is he revealing at 7stock?

i hope to see this at SS10 if it does

I'm no expert but I fail to see how the stock ECU can be configured to control fuel and spark when it has no idea what is the most important parameter is - Boost .
I await with interest to see how this will work with the AFSC .

^Is he revealing at 7stock?

He already "revealed" it at SevenStock IX.

I'm no expert but I fail to see how the stock ECU can be configured to control fuel and spark when it has no idea what is the most important parameter is - Boost .
I await with interest to see how this will work with the AFSC .

The PCM understands airflow. So far, even at 14PSI or so, it seems the MAF doesn't run out.
So, that is how its done. No mystery.

Interesting - has this been done before ?

What do you mean? Do you mean has there been a vehicle that operates in positive manifold pressure using only a MAF to measure air flow?
Of course.

Sort of . Has an NA car been converted to F/I then had the ECU reprogrammed in this way .

Next question :) does it work well ?

Sort of . Has an NA car been converted to F/I then had the ECU reprogrammed in this way .

Next question :) does it work well ?

According to Cobb, the MAF is good to 500hp+ and that it will work very well.

Cobb has had the "Coming Soon" image up for us going on a year now. If they can do it as well as they claim, there's no excuse for that. Load the RX-8 specific Firmware into the GP unit and start shipping.

Sort of . Has an NA car been converted to F/I then had the ECU reprogrammed in this way .

Next question :) does it work well ?


sure- i can point you to at least 2 examples ; 1 turbo and 1 supercharged. a blue car and a white car. several of us; including myself ,brillo, ajax, rg etc had conversations with the guy who did the tuning. (we have also held the supercharge in our hands) he had no problems setting up the tuning and changing the flow tables for the MAF to work exactly as you would want it too. coincidentally he was hired from where he was working at the time to go work on a certain t-charged crossover program.

There's also a factory MAP sensor in there. It may only be single bar sensor, though.

There's also a factory MAP sensor in there. It may only be single bar sensor, though.

Uh, no.
You might be thinking the BARO sensor, but it is outside of the engine and doesn't have nearly enough granularity to be used for anything other than checking the relative altitude of the vehicle.

Uh, no.
You might be thinking the BARO sensor, but it is outside of the engine and doesn't have nearly enough granularity to be used for anything other than checking the relative altitude of the vehicle.

Esp. after installation of coilovers...it really comes in handy...:icon16:

^^smart A$$:)

Esp. after installation of coilovers...it really comes in handy...:icon16:

now I know how you got that gap in your teeth evil . Or is it DOCTOR EVIL ? :rolleyes:

now I know how you got that gap in your teeth evil . Or is it DOCTOR EVIL ? :rolleyes:

Brettus: What are you?
EvilTwinkie: Oh, I have so many names...
Brettus: Satan.
EvilTwinkie: Call me Dad.

Devil's Advocate FTW!

Soooooooooooooo....

Richard...heard anything back from the boys at COBB?

you know the reason i bought my 8 is because it was different, from the engine to the doors.....just different.....i like different. the same intrigues me about this SC. but ive been waiting and waiting .....with large time lapses between updates and really no time schedule. i keep hoping richard will popup one day with it for sale and purposly didnt tell us just so we could have a suprise.

good luck richard

rick

86 days till SevenStock...

I would just like for at least a...

COBB is making progress on the car...

OR

COBB blew the car up...

OR

Hay the COBB boys really dig the AFSC...

You know...SOMETHING...

The car will be going up to Cobb in a couple of weeks.
We are all going to work hard for SSX.

I'm still working on the new test bench, got lots of new instrements to go on it.
We have 4 airspeed indicators two use hot wire the others use vanes.
So many pressure and temp gauges I lost track.
We have a frequency controled 40hp motor.
Two digital tachs.

All we need is for me to build the drive and the bench, add the dashboard and run some more power over to the right spot.:banghead: :banghead:

Ask and ye shall receive Twinkie :)

The car will be going up to Cobb in a couple of weeks.
We are all going to work hard for SSX.

I'm still working on the new test bench, got lots of new instrements to go on it.
We have 4 airspeed indicators two use hot wire the others use vanes.
So many pressure and temp gauges I lost track.
We have a frequency controled 40hp motor.
Two digital tachs.

All we need is for me to build the drive and the bench, add the dashboard and run some more power over to the right spot.:banghead: :banghead:

Thank you for the cookie...I apologize for being a pest...you have my respects and gratitude...

More importantly...you also still have my money...

Cheers!

Ask and ye shall receive Twinkie :)

mmm ... Twinkies

Thanks for the update Richard. Any chance some of us locals can see the bench in action?

Ask and ye shall receive Twinkie :)

I Can Has Twinkie?

icanhascheezburger.com (http://icanhascheezburger.com) FTW!

This may be out of left field, but I have a Canzoomer unit sitting around.

Any thought of loading the correct maps into that and using that to control fuel and timings needed to get the AFSC working?

There is probably alot of those units sitting around.

( I guess this is about as on topic as we get for now.)

This may be out of left field, but I have a Canzoomer unit sitting around.

Any thought of loading the correct maps into that and using that to control fuel and timings needed to get the AFSC working?

There is probably alot of those units sitting around.

( I guess this is about as on topic as we get for now.)

For now I'd assume he cant back out of the deal with cobb. He's tried a few units, forgot which though. The deal with cobb seems to be in process so unless that doesnt work out, he has no reason to change his mind on what to use. Using cobb seems like a good deal to me though.

Friday bump!

I can't wait to see this supercharger come to fruition. Now, if only Cobb would hurry up. :)

This may be out of left field, but I have a Canzoomer unit sitting around.

Any thought of loading the correct maps into that and using that to control fuel and timings needed to get the AFSC working?

There is probably alot of those units sitting around.

( I guess this is about as on topic as we get for now.)

Richard has tried them, both the emanage ( what a canzoomer is ) and interceptor X. He's going with cobb so he can do a reflash, keep prices down and keep the flexibility of the stock pcm.

So will there be a kit going out with the super charger? How is it powered? Cost? Cost of install? etc ?

There is alot of chatter but can I get a sumation please?

Nice first post.

There will be a "Search Kit" going out with every supercharger, powered by your finger for free.

one day time will be measured in AFSC thread pages rather than those silly minutes, hours, days, weeks... :P

Ricahrd- any new pics you can share? maybe of the intake or Upper manifold?

I should be picking up an RX8 soon, this is something I'm most interested in, my last car had an aftermarket procharger, but having something that is tuned by cobb and a new compact SC design? That sounds like fun to me :) as long as the power output is good.

Have you guys heard of the new Jackson Racing Rotex superchargers? Supposed to be some sort of breakthrough...don't know enough about blowers to understand why.

http://www.jacksonracing.com/home.htm

Have you guys heard of the new Jackson Racing Rotex superchargers? Supposed to be some sort of breakthrough...don't know enough about blowers to understand why.

http://www.jacksonracing.com/home.htm

Rotex isn't something new, it's not jackson's design, it's rotex (which is a company) HKS uses a Rotex supercharger.

Basically the main advantage is they are compact, and if you go to the rotex website you will see how they are advantageous compared to the traditional centrifugal supercharger type.

sniff .. when ohh when can I get one:( sniff

not any time soon

^^you guys suck...>:(

I am not coming back here anymore unless the poster's name is RP

bump

The car is/has been at COBB by now hasnt it? not really expecting too much info, just an update if they're working on it and if there have been any issues that are slowing things down at all. Just wondering cause both COBB and this thread have shown no indication about this project recently and it was my understanding that COBB had received the car. Keep up the good work! Hopefully I can buy one of these sometime when they're released.

Hey RP, are you going to Irvine in September?

Charlie, will this thread be closed and a new one started, now that we are over 200 pages?

Charlie, will this thread be closed and a new one started, now that we are over 200 pages?

I'm at page 101. You gotta change your setting to 50 posts per page. :)


RP was at SS last year, I would imagine he'll be there again

(in best Borat voice) making fingersex in hopes of Richard Paul update upon Sevenstock yes? :fingersx:

Dear seller of an axial turbo .... u giv now! ... or die.
can this be the last post :)

T_T I want updates!

I'm at page 101. You gotta change your setting to 50 posts per page. :)


RP was at SS last year, I would imagine he'll be there again

why'd you have to remind me about that... I hope richard isnt mean enough to not update us till then... at least I hope we'll get some specifics before SS

I'm at page 101. You gotta change your setting to 50 posts per page. :)


RP was at SS last year, I would imagine he'll be there again

:spank:

LOL - your right.

Hast the RP forsaken us? -returns from the depths of hell...where he decided satan would make an excellent test subject-

^ Nah he's just in his shop fitting an AF TC to his cat. Poor Kitty, will need bigger paws to keep traction.

^ Nah he's just in his shop fitting an AF TC to his cat. Poor Kitty, will need bigger paws to keep traction.

-cackles!- just what we needed, turbo kitties! -cracks his knuckles and pops his neck- well, I guess I'd better get to work on those jet-powered rats... those thing's will need SOMETHING to chase, after all!

oh, yeah... post 100! wahoo!:yumyum:

What and more importantly when is this SS?

Jet powered rats? so does that mean we'll have to make rocket propelled cheese as well?

What and more importantly when is this SS?

Jet powered rats? so does that mean we'll have to make rocket propelled cheese as well?

SS = SevenStock

look it up, i guess this year will be Sevenstock 10 AKA SSX

Rotex isn't something new, it's not jackson's design, it's rotex (which is a company) HKS uses a Rotex supercharger.

Basically the main advantage is they are compact, and if you go to the rotex website you will see how they are advantageous compared to the traditional centrifugal supercharger type.

Did a google could not find them. Got a sit?

Richard, are you going to be at SevenStock?

Did a google could not find them. Got a sit?

Its Rotrex (not "Rotex") and HKS has canceled their deal with them.
This is why they aren't making the RX-8 SC at the moment because they needed to concentrate their energy on updating the VQ kits with their new, in-house SC design.

Thanks

why would you want a centrifugal supercharger anyway? worst aspects of a turbo combined with the worst aspects of a supercharger - nice and small, but thats about it.

I know I've been ignoring you guys for a few months now but I've had to do something real kinky, work. I don't like it either, but the bank does.

We will be at SS and have some good stuff to show off. I'll have to go back and read all the posts to see if there are any questions that need answers.
The shop is almost available to make parts for me next week.
They just had to finish a run of 185 shifters last week and there are a few left to complete.

There will e a new "Competition Shifter" at SS. This is a race only unit and if you compete on the track and have it you're going to slow.

Picture?????///// An axial blown rotary!!! Almost 20 years ago a custom Latham.
The things I've done in my life that I've forgotten about is begining to scare me.

There will e a new "Competition Shifter" at SS. This is a race only unit and if you compete on the track and have it you're going to slow.

Care to tell what is different about it as compared to your original AFE SS?

I know I've been ignoring you guys for a few months now but I've had to do something real kinky, work. I don't like it either, but the bank does.

We will be at SS and have some good stuff to show off. I'll have to go back and read all the posts to see if there are any questions that need answers.
The shop is almost available to make parts for me next week.
They just had to finish a run of 185 shifters last week and there are a few left to complete.

There will e a new "Competition Shifter" at SS. This is a race only unit and if you compete on the track and have it you're going to slow.

Picture?????///// An axial blown rotary!!! Almost 20 years ago a custom Latham.
The things I've done in my life that I've forgotten about is begining to scare me.

The shifters look great but what we all want is an Axial Super Charger, is there any progress on it?
There are too many threads on here for me to read throught them all, I read a lot of the first 4-5 pages.

MM,
Do you have cameras in the ASU gym?
At least you share.

The difference is in the bushing material.
I know, BFD. But that's the real world of sales.
It's a usefull upgrade for real racers.
We use the same material as they make Merlin and Cosworth valve guides from.

MM,
Do you have cameras in the ASU gym?
At least you share.

I only have a camera there if I am standing behind it.

The difference is in the bushing material.
I know, BFD. But that's the real world of sales.
It's a usefull upgrade for real racers.
We use the same material as they make Merlin and Cosworth valve guides from.

Ahh. So we go from a real firm "thack-thack" to a rock hard "klack-klack"?
I take it that bushing is pressed on? Is it available as an upgrade part to the original?

I only have a camera there if I am standing behind it.



Ahh. So we go from a real firm "thack-thack" to a rock hard "klack-klack"?
I take it that bushing is pressed on? Is it available as an upgrade part to the original?


Do you get wet?


It is pressed on but you can do that yourself also. You will need to break the old one off or make a fork to fit under it. I break them off, but then again I get them for free.

Did a google could not find them. Got a sit?

Ah shit it's rotrex, I just caught my spelling mistake my bad =/

But what about the supercharger? Any news?

But what about the supercharger? Any news?+1

By the time it is released most of us will have purchased something else, it's been almost 3 years now. Their funding must be going primarily toward something else, like Honda's and shifters or something.

^^You sure do whine a lot...

He can always go and buy the Hymee supercharger. Oh. Sorry. I forgot. He can't.

I'll wait until next year. I just spent all my money on my home renovation. At least now I have a new garage for the 8 :D:

Hey, I don't know about you, but this is still the big addition I'm waiting for. I'm willing to be patient. I have a feeling it'll all be worth it for all the development mr. paul's done. ( I can has discount for being nice? :lol2: )

yeah, but seriously. it's been a while, folks are all begging for an update, and I have to admit curiosity too. good to see you again richard. ^_^

^^You sure do whine a lot...

Lol!

Yeah until I have some sort of FI on my car the RX-8 has prompted me to whine very much.
My whining has stopped now with the introduction of a fair priced turbo system (Esmeril Racing)that is producing the same numbers as all the rest. Thank god for competitive marketing now they all will be getting cheaper. Look at the SFR already.

Mazsport is like a mile and a half from my house, if they compete in price with the others I would drive down and make a deposit. $6500 is a big drop for them though. I dont know how much they spent on research or if they have to send out for a lot of parts and pay more than the rest, hopefully not and they can compete so I can stay local.

I don't mean to be negative about the product in my past posts.
I read about the Axial SC 1 1/2 years ago when I bought my car and I liked what I saw, so I waited for it to come out thinking it would be 6 months or something. It has to be funding, they must not believe there will be a big market for it or it would be on the road by now. Or it just isn't producing the power they hoped it would. The high rpm motor may be giving this type of sc problems. With out any info we can only speculate.

Tottally out of topic but how shorter is the new shifter richard cause i have your first kit of short shifters..Will this have a big difference but being drivable also??

Rocket, RP posted that the supercharger is basically done and he is just waiting for the finalized engine management with COBB.

All you have to do is go a page or two back to get that info.

EDIT: Made my point, deleted this paragraph.

And after thread crapping you had best post pictures of your FI install within 3 months (6 months max) if you don't want to seem pretty ridiculous.

Yea but $6500 for the same hp as the Greddy is not reaally worth it, maybe when they release there high output version, but that might be in the same price range as the mazsport turbo and I would rather have that. On dragtimes.com the 2004 rx8 with pettit sc ran a 14.1, not quite what I am looking for. Maybe just a really, really bad driver...

I will be getting my turbo, I will not live with out a turbo on my rotary. 6 months max, sooner *when* I sell my investment property real fast. I wouldn't keep this car if I was never gonna put a turbo on it.

** don't want to say if

Whew, took a very, very long time to read all this and must admit I skipped a lot of the misc stuff. I was so hoping to finish and see how people were liking/disliking the s/c. I really am interested in this and seems like it will come out w/ a lot of the bugs already worked out (unlike some other products I have read about). That being said reality says that even after it comes out it will probably be another 6 months to a year before it is reliable enough to allow a mechanical novice, such as myself, to feel comfortable buying it. Hope I am wrong. Man I am anxiously awaiting futher word or how it's going.

Yea but $6500 for the same hp as the Greddy is not reaally worth it, maybe when they release there high output version, but that might be in the same price range as the mazsport turbo and I would rather have that. On dragtimes.com the 2004 rx8 with pettit sc ran a 14.1, not quite what I am looking for. Maybe just a really, really bad driver...

I will be getting my turbo, I will not live with out a turbo on my rotary. 6 months max, sooner *when* I sell my investment property real fast. I wouldn't keep this car if I was never gonna put a turbo on it.

** don't want to say if

That time was for an experimental version of the Pettit SC 3 years ago and does not reflect the current model. Furthermore, the turbo guys are not publishing their times??? Wonder why??? lag?

I dare say the Pettit supercharger would do better than many of the turbo kits on a track with turns as result of consistent boost. The Pettit supercharger should also do well in stop and go traffic situation, because of the low end boost its providing.

Furthermore, they are coming out with higher psi kits from the present 6psi to 10psi, so there will be more HP there. From the data, the Pettit SC should do better/well against the Greddy turbo at the same psi... Right now they are comparing an higher psi greddy kit to a lower psi Pettit kit.

Also, there is that 300whp to 350whp "barrier" which will require you to start upgrading a lot of engine parts and many people may not want to go that far. Turbos pushing 350whp and up, will require many other upgraded parts and that will add to cost.

As for price, the Cobb AccessPORT will mean more for the supercharger kits than turbo. With the supercharger kits, you should be able to flash your ECU. I'm not sure you could do this with the turbo kits, if not, than you are stuck with the expensive Int-x or have to use the Greddy EMU.

That time was for an experimental version of the Pettit SC 3 years ago and does not reflect the current model. Furthermore, the turbo guys are not publishing their times??? Wonder why??? lag?

I dare say the Pettit supercharger would do better than many of the turbo kits on a track with turns as result of consistent boost.

I don't want to thread crap, so I'll make just one post on this -

1. No lag.

2. Full boost at around 3k rpm.

3. Greddy makes more hp and torque than the pettit over 4k rpm.

So unless you're on the race track under 4,000 rpm, there's no way the pettit would do better.

I don't want to thread crap, so I'll make just one post on this -

1. No lag.

2. Full boost at around 3k rpm.

3. Greddy makes more hp and torque than the pettit over 4k rpm.

So unless you're on the race track under 4,000 rpm, there's no way the pettit would do better.

maybe - but with all that heat built up the turbo will blow , the header will crack and the motor will overheat at about lap 4 giving the win to the SCd car .

ducking for cover now :)

I don't want to thread crap, so I'll make just one post on this -

1. No lag.

2. Full boost at around 3k rpm.

3. Greddy makes more hp and torque than the pettit over 4k rpm.

So unless you're on the race track under 4,000 rpm, there's no way the pettit would do better.

Every situation I have seen a turbo vs a sc the turbo kicks the sc's butt in acceleration.

There is a black rx-8 with gold rims on you tube that has the greddy and he dyno'd in the 270's rwhp and he ran a 13.1 in the 1/4 mile. He even says that he's not that good at dragging and he could do better. With the pettit sc you make 188 torque, not a lot more than stock, with the greddy its 210+. Sc's run off your pulley which robs some of the motor hp, turbo's are free spinning. Most cars at the drag strip, (the big boys) are now using turbos and abandoning the sc, even nitrous is dwindling down a bit.

I don't think this is the right thread for TC vs SC.

But I do think AFE should give us some sound and video clips of their prototype in action :)

I was thinking that a couple days ago. I knew there wasnt a video but didnt remember if the sound had even been described. Would be nice to hear a sound clip sometime, even if it isnt the final version.

Yea but $6500 for the same hp as the Greddy is not reaally worth it, maybe when they release there high output version, but that might be in the same price range as the mazsport turbo and I would rather have that. On dragtimes.com the 2004 rx8 with pettit sc ran a 14.1, not quite what I am looking for. Maybe just a really, really bad driver...

I will be getting my turbo, I will not live with out a turbo on my rotary. 6 months max, sooner *when* I sell my investment property real fast. I wouldn't keep this car if I was never gonna put a turbo on it.

** don't want to say if

You'll never be a 1/4 mi queen without big, fat slicks on the rear tires. Even with my ported Renesis & GReddy sh*t-kit, I break loose on the 1/2 shift every time, the 2/3 shift most of the time, and have to feather like a MoFo to hook up when I launch it.

It must be absolutely comical trying to launch it and keep traction with a lot more than 300 WHP and street tires.

Definitley not a straight line car.

I have to launch at 3500, anything higher and it wheel hops all the way through 1st gear. I started messing with power shifting it on the street and it wheel hops even hitting 3rd gear. It needs a fully adjustable suspension so I can lighten up the front end and stiffen up the rear, and it will still probably hop. If its this bad with my tiny 189 rwhp 136 tq I can't imagine 340 hp :eek:

I think you ought to start reading up in the "Wheels, Tires, Brakes & Suspension" People who have been having your problems have made headway with the suspension. Maybe upgrade you suspension before you FI.

EDIT: Made my point, deleted this paragraph.


Damn it, that's it I'm done talking about other kits in RP's thread. Sorry RP.

Good luck!

I don't think this is the right thread for TC vs SC.

But I do think AFE should give us some sound and video clips of their prototype in action :)

Waiting on video clips :eyetwitch

You'll never be a 1/4 mi queen without big, fat slicks on the rear tires. Even with my ported Renesis & GReddy sh*t-kit, I break loose on the 1/2 shift every time, the 2/3 shift most of the time, and have to feather like a MoFo to hook up when I launch it.

It must be absolutely comical trying to launch it and keep traction with a lot more than 300 WHP and street tires.

Would an upgraded rear diff alleviate this problem?

OK, someone bring a good video camera to SSX and we will make a sound video on Fri night.

I do have a movie camera but they don't make film anymore.:rolleyes: :lol2:

I do have a movie camera but they don't make film anymore.

So, while you were filming Charlie Chaplin, did your arm ever get tired from all that cranking?:lol2:

OK, someone bring a good video camera to SSX and we will make a sound video on Fri night.

I do have a movie camera but they don't make film anymore.:rolleyes: :lol2:
Someone say camera? Video? Yes I'll take up the offer. :D: :p:
Anyone who was in the SS9 socal caravan last year, or has been to the LAX meets, and especially who went to the rx-8 socal dyno day will attest that I'd be happy to take video(s). ^.^ And now that my file formats work on youtube there's no stopping me MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!

So, while you were filming Charlie Chaplin, did your arm ever get tired from all that cranking?:lol2:



Hey, don't knock Chuck, he was still making babies in his late '60's.
Before Viagra.:lol2:
Makes him a hero to guys like me.:)

And I had lots of upper body strength back then from starting my car.

I have to launch at 3500, anything higher and it wheel hops all the way through 1st gear.No wheel hop here. I have HKS hypermax II coilovers with front and rear racing beat sways. Those killed all the wheel hop. I later went to 19x265's in the rear and still have no wheel hop.

The back end of the car is simply setup to soft.

I'm just tired of screwing with rotarys.
Solved all the problems by swaping in a small block Chevy with Latham Supercharger and a carb.
Everything now is simple and FAST.

Nice

Oh, by the way, I just spent all my free cash. I have to wait until next year now...

Just kidding. It's my 928 after I made a good car out of it.
Double the HP and Tq. That's what was needed.
I bought it new and it had 9000 mi on it when I could no longer take it.
Turboed the Porche engine but it blew a cyld wall and they wanted $5000 for a bare block. Screw them!
First I put a NA 383 in it then when I started to build the Latham blower I used it for a test car with a 350 LT.
Lots of magazine coverage on that baby.
I put another 40,000 on it before it was sold to one happy guy.

RP, I know details are sparse but can you tell us if your little yellow project ever made it into the hands of Trey over at Cobb?

Just kidding. It's my 928 after I made a good car out of it.
Double the HP and Tq. That's what was needed.
I bought it new and it had 9000 mi on it when I could no longer take it.
Turboed the Porche engine but it blew a cyld wall and they wanted $5000 for a bare block. Screw them!
First I put a NA 383 in it then when I started to build the Latham blower I used it for a test car with a 350 LT.
Lots of magazine coverage on that baby.
I put another 40,000 on it before it was sold to one happy guy.

Very nice gotta love the 928's, a 944's Dad on steroids:)

Very nice gotta love the 928's, a 944's Dad on steroids:)



No, this is a 928 on steroids!

Where were you in '68? Yes that is me as a kid with a blown BBC in an Avanti.
I've been doing this stuff for awhile now. V8 in an Rx8? I don't know yet.

So, for my next act I will put a Merlin into a Mini Cooper.

Then just so I can die happy I will put a pair of GE 90's on a Lear 35.

Where were you in '68? Yes that is me as a kid with a blown BBC in an Avanti.
I've been doing this stuff for awhile now. V8 in an Rx8? I don't know yet.

So, for my next act I will put a Merlin into a Mini Cooper.

Then just so I can die happy I will put a pair of GE 90's on a Lear 35.

I want to test fly that so long as I don't have to do a V1 cut at rated power.

Then just so I can die happy I will put a pair of GE 90's on a Lear 35.

I imagine that would look like Woody Allen motorboatin' between Ann Nicole Smith's boobs.:lol2:

Where were you in '68? Yes that is me as a kid with a blown BBC in an Avanti.
I've been doing this stuff for awhile now. V8 in an Rx8? I don't know yet.

So, for my next act I will put a Merlin into a Mini Cooper.

Then just so I can die happy I will put a pair of GE 90's on a Lear 35.

I was a twinkle in my mom's eye:rolleyes:

Are you on salt flats in that picture?

SSX in a few days and no one's talking! RP, I expect you'll be looking for that "Renesis 2" so you can start working on your next SC for that :p: Cant wait to see the video. Whoever's going, keep us updated!

I'm bringing my camara and video too!

+1 on a video camera. RP PM me if you still need a camera and we can meet up Friday night and do some video. Heck we could all take a bunch of shots and someone could edit it all together. Thinking inside and outside driveby shots. I'd be more than excited to help out. It records onto digital tape but I have some RCA out cables we can use to run it to someone's computer or VHS player etc so we can get it on youtube or an electronic format.

Richard, are you gonna be at SevenStock? (we don't even care if you show up as a vendor, just show up to shoot the breeze with us_

I'm posting this message in several threads. If you are attending SSX, please go to the SS section of the forum. There is a thread so you can sign in so we'll know to look for you. We want to get everyone together if possible this time. Times and locations of where I'll be are there.

We'll be there and hopfully set up next to Hymee so everyone can see how much better ours is then the one from down under.
Hymee thought he'd get to stay over for free but I made him fix the plumbing in the guest bath before he could go to sleep.
This morning he made me serve him an Aussie breakfast with Jack.
He claims it's normal.
Now he's off to my shop to try and make his parts fit an engine. He wants to borrow some big hammers, for whatever that means.

Again like last time he has those big suitcases with wheels on them.

He can't be all bad, the dogs like him.

haha golden retrievers like everyone though...

Still waiting to hear more details from others, but so far it sounds like not much happened with the AFSC at SSX. I'm assuming something is holding it back, but just wondering if there's any new issues or if it's still similar issues being worked on from before (tuning and such). I understand RP is busy and is trying his best, but just interested in hearing an update, even if the update is no progress. I still have high hopes for the AFSC and hope to see one under my hood in the future.

Is that the new version of the AFSC?

See it in front. It's larger and provides more boost.

RP said it was for a differant application.

Is that application for the RX 8?

........no offense but this thing looks fucking cheap

........no offense but this thing looks fucking cheap



Well if what you make in 2 or 3 months is cheap, then it is.
So that doesn't offend me.
BUT it does not look cheap.
If it looks cheap to you then look inside a jet engine before you fly next, you will not get on.

Is that the new version of the AFSC?

See it in front. It's larger and provides more boost.

RP said it was for a differant application.

Is that application for the RX 8?



The one in the forground is for a 500-600 inch engine and 20 psi boost.
It is for a 600" V-12 aircraft engine.
I don't think the Rx-8 engine can eat that much air.
If it could, it would be putting out 1200 to 1400 HP.

........no offense but this thing looks fucking cheap

I'm sure no offense would be taken since your opinion is ridiculous.

Break out your Dremel and some aluminum billet. I'm sure you will come up with a far less "cheap" looking alternative...

........no offense but this thing looks fucking cheap

wow, are you freaking kidding me?! You obviously didn't see this thing in person... :icon_no2:

rofl

I did........at their booth...........I was comparing it to hymee's that probably why, should have made it clear.....srry

even compared to hymee's unit, the Supercharger itself is of GREAT quality! Taja: you gotta stop smoking those funny cigarettes...


What part of this isn't GREAT quality??? :scratchhe




http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/Jedi54/SevenStock%2010/P1000160.jpg

looks dirty+ in pieces + the weld job.........maybe it was those funny cigarettes, I saw a buncha wierd shit that day, like that 1 rx-8 with like the most hideous front bumper I have ever seen which was parked like the 1st one from the food "court"
I still don't know whether that was a joke

or that 17k swap job for a 13b-REW in an rx-8.........from some company..can't remember

yea, maybe I was imagining stuff......

7stock was pretty interesting, im kinda bummed i didnt get to hear the afsc fired up, i fully understand that the afsc is still a prototype, cant wait to see the final results!

I think it looks great! I still don't see how you are cutting that out of bar stock. Looks too complicated for that.

Did anyone get any video of the AFSC in action? All I saw was one small segment of it shutting down. I'll bet it sounds awesome!

Is that the new version of the AFSC?

See it in front. It's larger and provides more boost.

RP said it was for a differant application.

Is that application for the RX 8?


You can now officially stop displaying your intelligence.

........no offense but this thing looks fucking cheap

That coming from someone with K&N Typhoon intake? on an automatic no less? Now that is funny...

^ ??? your point is?

^ ??? your point is?

That your 'custom hyper chrome' should NEVER critize the work of a very well respected builder of a FANTASTIC product.

are you my father? if you aren't I suggest you shut the hell up

on a side note, how much would this kit cost anyhow?