I think maybe Richard could be waiting on the Cobb gadget to resolve the electronics part of this?

Whats up with the electronics, having trouble talking with the ECU? And what does this cobb unit fix?

It allow you to make custom ECU reflashes, so there would not be any problem with talking to the ECU because it would be the ECU controlling the SC.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/

Funny thing about Cobb, I have emailed him twice and called twice. He never calls back. He must not like me or has to many sales already. I wanted to look into his product because it fit our objectives well.

Mmm, they say in their page Mazda forum that they're intested in working with RX-8 turbo a SC providers. Maybe they first want to have a usable generic product before starting to tune it for different providers?

The RX8 computer is supposed to be extremely similar to the Subaru that they have experience with. I don't think that they are providing a generic product for our car. They are just selling to Subaru owners first, then they will begin with others once they are caught up.

don't know what a beta tester is but I'll sure as hell be a better tester !

Why not take the Petit approach - offer maps for various piggybacks already on the market ?

beta tester.. everyone that got the greddy kit..

not very pretty..

beers :beer:

Funny thing about Cobb, I have emailed him twice and called twice. He never calls back. He must not like me or has to many sales already. I wanted to look into his product because it fit our objectives well.

to bad, that is a win, win, everyone wins. situation..

beers :beer:

I used to know Trey pretty well when he worked at Rotary Performance. I'll have to call him up to see if he remembers me.

I used to know Trey pretty well when he worked at Rotary Performance. I'll have to call him up to see if he remembers me.


Who could forget?? :Wconfused :dunno:

if he phones up and says "Hi, Im Rotary God!..."

The guy may well think hes dealing with a nutter, haha!

I hope you do look into Cobbs product, as its the one I lean to wanting for the AFSC when I buy one.

Ok I called Cobb tuning and got an answers. First off, Richard call and ask for Chris. He wants to talk to you about your project and how they can help. 801-713-0035.

The Accessport for the RX-8 has no official release date yet. It only has a vague timeline guess as to when it will be available. That "best guess" right now is 3rd quarter this year so probably not until the fall at the earliest. It's not happening very soon. Sorry. They od have the ability already to talk to the ecu and change things. They still need to work many other aspects out as well as integrating it into the Accessport product. Just because they can talk to it right now does not mean it's actually being done through an Accessport.

OK - that sounds way too far into the future - Richard I would like volunteer to be one of your Beta (or better) testers . You need to get this into a foreign climate to see what its like under different conditions :yesnod:

I have the Int-X that Richard was using anyone interested?

:D:

maybe this partnership could speed things up for the tuner for the RX-8 :) If the AFSC ships with the Cobb unit, the sales of the tuner will go up for sure.
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Ok I called Cobb tuning and got an answers. First off, Richard call and ask for Chris. He wants to talk to you about your project and how they can help. 801-713-0035.

The Accessport for the RX-8 has no official release date yet. It only has a vague timeline guess as to when it will be available. That "best guess" right now is 3rd quarter this year so probably not until the fall at the earliest. It's not happening very soon. Sorry. They od have the ability already to talk to the ecu and change things. They still need to work many other aspects out as well as integrating it into the Accessport product. Just because they can talk to it right now does not mean it's actually being done through an Accessport.

hmm... trey mentioned earlier this week they were looking at end of spring to early summer. I know that the move from acessport1 to accessport2 has been kicking their rear ends a bit more then anticipated though.

... they do have a few cars out there running on their flashes

Thats ok, I am more than willing to wait for both these products.

same here i have a 04 with 20,000 more mile to go. a year or so wont be to bad

same here i have a 04 with 20,000 more mile to go. a year or so wont be to bad

I have an '04 with only 14K on it :).

05 w/ 19K and begging for FI...BEGGING...

So if I understand this right, we are most likely going to see the Axial SC w/ a Cobb AP unit?

I was definately going to get the Cobb AP as soon as it was released, so hopefully we can either purchase both the SC+AP as a bundle or be sold the SC components w/o the AP...ASAP else if the SC is MIA I'll be doing KP...

The Cobb thing is still up in the air. RP attempted to contact them but apparently wasn't very successful.
Think we'll just have to wait and see....

The Cobb thing is still up in the air. RP attempted to contact them but apparently wasn't very successful.
Think we'll just have to wait and see....
I think Cobb is the hold-up on that one. This is what Trey of Cobb has said over the last few months:

8-21-06: "We'll begin posting dyno results and MPG testing..."

9-01-06: " Currently we are in the initial development and testing stages of the AccessPORT for the RX-8. We can use this thread to post updates about development, and so you can ask questions or give..."

9-05-06: "Absolutely, we're already at that point. We can currently control when the radiator fans operate, Closed Loop to Open Loop logic, the MOP, redline and other limiters, MAF (intake sensor) calibration,..."

9-20-06: " Thanks for the show of support everyone. Things are going well on our end, just working on completion of some hardware development for the production parts and of course continuing to improve the..."
Sounds like everything is going well up to this point. Product can't be to far off could it? Two months go by...

11-07-06: "Yes, I can confirm we're on schedule for a 1st quarter 2007 release. A lot of the work has been done and tested. Once we get in some of the new Mazda specific hardware we need to make this..."

11-29-06: " Things are still moving along nicely. We're still without the communications cable which is what we'll need for a release, but development goes well. All focus right now is finalizing and releasing...
Sounds like they are wrapping things up and ready for release. Two more months go by and ...

2-2-06: "Things are still progressing on this front. We've been flashing RX-8s for awhile now and learning quite a bit about them. Our own RX-8 has officially passed the 100 reflash mark actually.

And I think I've touched on this but I want to do so again... we're still not looking to have anything available until Spring/Summer timeframe. I understand being anxious, we are as well.

I've personally been overwhelmed recently with projects that I haven't had the time to troll the forums and post minute by minute updates. I apologize for that. I'll do my best to jump on here more. I just don't want anyone to think we're leading them on when we're still several months away from the ability to release anything.

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB"
No, Trey did not "touch on" a spring/summer time frame. Trey "touched on" a "1st quarter" time frame 5 months ago.

Another one bites the dust. The RX-8's ECU is a bitch and Cobb's learning it the hard way. Honestly Trey seems a little aloof in his posts. I think he/they need to gather a little more information from RX-8 community before trying to tackle the beast.

I give them a 50/50 chance of releasing anything by the late summer.

-Mr. Wigggles

^^^ Nice play by play.

The waiting game continues... (not so much on Richard's part but for who ever is doing the reflash)

FYI, we are in contact with Cobb tuning after a little help from Fred. I am at the moment drafting a proposal to Trey Cobb. On the surface it seems like it could be a match for the two products. Other then that I have no information about their reflash to offer you.

We currently have 40 Rx-8 compressors in the production line. That means parts are coming into existance that will eventually become superchargers. They are all configured for Rx-8 installations.

We also are building a new test bench with electronic controls. We have all the componants and just need the time to build the thing.

The shop is busy with outside (read paying) jobs right now so there isn't all the room you would like for the Rx product.

I still haven't gotten up to Tahoe for the cold test because there is just to much snow. No one has given me any advice on what to do if I need chains. Some of you guys must live in the snow, do you put your cars away in the winter?
I'm not about to get winter tires for my car that lives in So Cal. Then drive up the 5 at 80mph+ on those horrable noisy non grip things.

Where is John from Woodland Hills, I want to talk to you.

Excellent update. Makes my decision to wait for Cobb-AP/AFSC at least worthwhile.

Will there be any pre-orders or group buys availible? Discounted beta (no-warranty) units?

Sorry about the chains thing...I'm in Texas...snow only lasts about 12hrs for a few days...in Febuary...every other year...if it ever makes it to the ground...so I cant help you there...

RP: I used to live in Norcal; many trips to Tahoe for skiing. I've never driven a RWD car in the snow so I can't comment on that respect but I would say that bringing a set of chains is your best route, no sense in snow tires. Best bet would be to plan your trip around using the main highways like I-80 and whatnot because they are good about getting the main arteries clear. Check a few sources for road/weather conditions like the radio and sites like this: http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/roadinfo/ That's what I used to do, hope that helps :)

I talked to someone from Baltamore today and he told me that if it snows at all he drives his truck. He claims the 8 is useless in the snow. Even a little snow. He knew of no way to get around it. :Eyecrazy:

Drive my truck? Don't think that will help doing a cold test on the Rx8 installation.
Then again if no one else can drive in the snow what's the problen?
It gets cold without snow, doesn't it? :hahano:

I talked to someone from Baltamore today and he told me that if it snows at all he drives his truck. He claims the 8 is useless in the snow. Even a little snow. He knew of no way to get around it. :Eyecrazy:

Drive my truck? Don't think that will help doing a cold test on the Rx8 installation.
Then again if no one else can drive in the snow what's the problen?
It gets cold without snow, doesn't it? :hahano:

The '8 is okay in snow as long as the snow tires can touch the ground.
I also can verify that it does get cold without snow.

I'll see if I can get some NE peeps to chime in, they do plenty of snow driving...

Drive my truck? Don't think that will help doing a cold test on the Rx8 installation.
Then again if no one else can drive in the snow what's the problen?
It gets cold without snow, doesn't it? :hahano:The 8 does great in the snow with snow tires. Ground clearance is the main issue. Stock tires are summer tires, and therefore crap in snow.

So far, I've driven my car in consistent 10-15 degree temperatures, and have started it as low as 7 degrees.

I recommend buying a used set of snow tires and wheels from someone, and then reselling it come next winter (heck, you may come out ahead moneywise).

I'd be concerned that chains may rip up your wheels, but I guess they will give you that traction.

So long as you have some snow tires and you don't drive the same as you would in the summer, it will be just fine. I drive a company truck in the winter mostly (Cheap buggers wouldn't spring for 4x4) and the 8 handles better :D

Live in Northern British Columbia, Canada btw.

I confirm with the recent snow in NM, the OEM tires are down right worthless.

It was scary to say the least. Never again.

Literally going 45deg sideways at about 5K RPM, on about a 30deg uphill. Never again.

The worst position I have ever been in a car.

I wouldn't bother with snow tires or chains. Just watch the weather forecast and pick a day where it hasn't snowed for a few days and isn't going to snow. Then stay on main roads and you should have no issues as they should be basically snow free. But no, I don't drive shinka in the winter.

BTW, I've driven a mustang with bald rear tires(threads showing) through a couple of winters (WI). It's doable if you know how to drive.

Honestly I just wish somebody, anybody, would get any FI setup working without tons of CELs, etc. Then I could be a paying customer too.

^ Umbra, EMU operates without cels.

:Freak_ani Boy we have been off topic before but this is seriously a new low for this thread. :crazy:

ok disregard my last....

I just read the last couple of pages and I see why we are talking about snow tires.


Cold weather AFSC testing with all the snow lately a set of snow tires are going to be a necessity.

Here's and idea...

Anyone have snow tires to LEND just so we can get this thing moving? Maybe richard would be kind enough to provide a discount or dibbs for the person?

Richard...willing to provide an incentive?

I talked to someone from Baltamore today and he told me that if it snows at all he drives his truck. He claims the 8 is useless in the snow. Even a little snow. He knew of no way to get around it. :Eyecrazy:

Drive my truck? Don't think that will help doing a cold test on the Rx8 installation.
Then again if no one else can drive in the snow what's the problen?
It gets cold without snow, doesn't it? :hahano:

Hi Richard,
My recommendation would be to buy a set of 4 snow tires on rims from someone like Tire Rack. The dunlop M3's or the Blizzaks work very well. They'll get you up to the mountain just fine. Then you could put the chains on once you are up there in a parking lot or something. Get them on 17" rims with a slightly narrower treadpatch like a 215. The taller narrower tires do better in snow. A full set on rims is probably around $1200.00

You'll be fine in the snow like that.

Also I would be willing to lend my set of snows to Richard but we'll have to figure out how to ship them and how much it will cost. Richard if you'd be willing to pay for shipping out to you and back to me when you're done I could do it. I"m in Seattle. PM me if you're interested.

+1 for the Dunlop M3 Wintersports.

I also drive year round here, in Minnesota.

This thread has become like the Lounge for Major HP Upgrades :)
"Off topic" can't even begin to describe it.

Another one bites the dust. The RX-8's ECU is a bitch and Cobb's learning it the hard way. Honestly Trey seems a little aloof in his posts. I think he/they need to gather a little more information from RX-8 community before trying to tackle the beast.


umm, No... they already have it cracked 7 ways from sunday and have reflashed a handful of test cars. In case you didn't know, they are in the process of moving their entire Accesport line from version 1 to version 2... which means sourcing new compnents (which has become the biggest fiasco), writing new instructions/manuals, and dealing with new customer complaints/questions.

they are busy currently servicing their core Subey audiance

+1 for the Dunlop M3 Wintersports.

I also drive year round here, in Minnesota.


yea, last week i was driving around in 6" of snow/ice with them :Freak_ani

+1 for Pirelli Snow Sport.

As long as the snow doesn't accumulate higher then the clearance on the car I have no major trouble. We just had the first decent snow of the season. The snow doesn't stop me. I'd be happy to test in the snow :)

Richard, I have an extra set of 17x7.5 +30 mm offset aluminum wheels that fit, $150 (no tires). Wheels are straight and true, two are painted black. They are from a 350Z. No rubbing issues up to 235/50/17. All four are 17x7.5, not 17x8 (I'm keeping those). PM if interested. I'll even drop them off in Simi next weekend.


Hi Richard,
My recommendation would be to buy a set of 4 snow tires (#) on rims from someone like Tire Rack. The dunlop M3's or the Blizzaks work very well. They'll get you up to the mountain just fine. Then you could put the chains on once you are up there in a parking lot or something. Get them on 17" rims with a slightly narrower treadpatch like a 215. The taller narrower tires do better in snow. A full set on rims is probably around $1200.00

You'll be fine in the snow like that.

Also I would be willing to lend my set of snows to Richard but we'll have to figure out how to ship them and how much it will cost. Richard if you'd be willing to pay for shipping out to you and back to me when you're done I could do it. I"m in Seattle. PM me if you're interested.

This thread has become like the Lounge for Major HP Upgrades :)
"Off topic" can't even begin to describe it.

it's got to the stage that I click on the topic & start reading the posts then my brain says WTF - did I click the wrong thread ?

umm, No... they already have it cracked 7 ways from sunday and have reflashed a handful of test cars. In case you didn't know, they are in the process of moving their entire Accesport line from version 1 to version 2... which means sourcing new compnents (which has become the biggest fiasco), writing new instructions/manuals, and dealing with new customer complaints/questions.

they are busy currently servicing their core Subey audiance
Just give me a date baby...

Richard, did you get the impression they had it cracked 7 ways from Sunday?

-Mr. Wigggles

They haven't released it for any model car other than Subaru. They haven't said what the hold up is, but I believe it will happen.

They haven't released it for any model car other than Subaru. They haven't said what the hold up is, but I believe it will happen.

i don't know what they have released, but i work just down the street from cobb and they sure have alot of cars, besides suburu, in their parking lot with cobb racing stickers on them.

I have some questions regarding the product.

What will the benefit of the AFSC be in snow?

Is it a replacement for chains?

Since the AFSC has a jet like turbine, will it be more reliable
than a Jet Blue aircraft?

Is there any way I can adapt my Flowbee air powered hair cutting system to make more HP for the RX-8? Or conversely can the AFSC cut hair, or at least provide the vacuum suction
for the Flowbee system in case I need a trim while on the road?

Not that I can afford an AFSC anyway. I spent the money I saving for it on a turntable (that I am serious about!!!)

An afsc is absolutely a replacement for chains in the snow!

An afsc is absolutely a replacement for chains in the snow!

Who needs traction when you have a turbine?

An afsc is absolutely a replacement for chains in the snow!
thats going in my sig :rofl:

im the one who talked to richard about the snow in baltimore. i had to go do a couple things and there was probobly 2-3 inches on the ground and the 8 didnt like it one bit. even on compacted snow if you come to a stop be very careful, when you go to start again the wheels will just spin. if your having trouble in the snow or if you have to move foward from a stoped position i found it easier to start off in second. and if you get stuck try moving around with the dsc off and then on. plus rocking from reverse into 1st. DO NOT go into snow deeper than a soda can with out a cell phone and a shovel. i bought my 8 in november and the first snow within minutes i realized my truck was the way to go

RP and the rest of you FI guys---please look at the fuel starvation thread in the aftermarket section. 1st set of studies on the fuel pump are in. There is a huge difference in the flow rates between the pumps (a symptomatic one at 36K and a new one). The FI REALLY need to know this. The study is not complete as to the causation but it is either the pump itself giving out or maybe premix causing the filters to clog. Too repeat--final studies are not complete but Houston we do have a problem.
olddragger

... i bought my 8 in november and the first snow within minutes i realized my truck was the way to go

Just a friendly reminder ...

A stock 8 will have problems in the snow because the "summer only" tires that come with it have a problem in the snow. I bought a set of snow tires along with a set of wheels from TireRack and have no problems in the snow - as long as it's not too deep. This is my 4th winter with my car and I get around OK. It's obviously not as good as my wife's Rav4 but, with snow tires, it's better than the front-wheel drive eclipse that I used to have (it just had all-season radials).

At the time when I bought mine I didn't have alternative transportation and had to drive my car in the snow. Since it sounds like you already have something else to drive, I would just stick with that.

I am sure this does not belong in this thread but I've got to say something about driving in snow. After moving from TX to NY my first winter was crazy! Summer only tires would not allow me to start rolling and after I finally started I couldn't stop! I passed through red lights etc. So I bought all season sumitomo tires. I will tell you that with the perfect balance of RX8 I am passing SUVs, AWD, FWD and it is a blast to drive in snow!

Just give me a date baby...

Richard, did you get the impression they had it cracked 7 ways from Sunday?

-Mr. Wigggles

p0sted by Trey...
I don't know how accurate Q3 is, I personally think we're closer than that. That being said, we tend to give the guys that get hammered on the phone everyday with "When's this coming, when's that?" artificially long dates so we can beat expectations. I hate having them get those "But you said it'd be ready LAST WEEK!" phone calls. Patience is certainly something us Americans have no time for.

Right now we need resources. Reflashing and tuning the ECU is pretty much done on our end. We just need to finish the CAN cable for the Mazdas, and get more software written for the AccessPORT and tuning software. Its for those reasons we don't have a product out today. We could do bench flashes for any RX-8 (USDM AT/MT or otherwise) today. No problems. But putting together all that into an easily digestable handheld product that's still being developed for the Mazda takes a little more time.

r0tor... where did you get that comment from Trey?

Try here
http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31354&page=15
r0tor... where did you get that comment from Trey?

Thanks!

r0tor... where did you get that comment from Trey?http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=440552&postcount=148

r0tor... where did you get that comment from Trey?

actually he posted it here yesterday himself

Bump to keep our hopes alive!

the longer i help make this thread, the fewer hundreds of time i can read it all before this thing is done :Eyecrazy:

the longer i help make this thread, the fewer hundreds of time i can read it all before this thing is done :Eyecrazy:

wtf are you saying? that makes no sense whatsoever.

anyways :worship: RP..

Actually, it makes perfect sense. By increasing the length of the thread, he is increasing the amount of time required to read through it completely. Since it now takes longer to read through the entire thread, there is now less time available to read through it again.

Now, why anyone who's already read through it would want to start from the beginning is another question all together, and that does make no sense.

Patiently awaiting FI.

Damn. Looks like we've been beaten boys. The Pettit racing thread seems to indicate Cam's SC will be ready for ordering any week now as their casings are in stock.

Now I'm not saying that this is as signifcant as say, the Russians beating the US into space, but it's pretty up there.

I am taking a trip to Florida next week, and since I have visited Pettit Racing in the past, and gotten a ride in one of there charge'd 8's, I can easly pose as an interested customer, and sabbotage their opperation. I can' t gauarantee more than a few weeks setback time for their team, but it might just be enough to let Richard get his product to market first.

Damn this is close. Perhaps that's why I appear to have gone insane due to lack of HP.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. By increasing the length of the thread, he is increasing the amount of time required to read through it completely. Since it now takes longer to read through the entire thread, there is now less time available to read through it again.

Now, why anyone who's already read through it would want to start from the beginning is another question all together, and that does make no sense.

Patiently awaiting FI.


i'm glad you see my logic there... i re-read the entire thread on occasion out of sheer boredom, and lack of abiliy to retain some of the principles of this stuff for more than about 48 hrs or so. if i didnt re-read or at least skim throuhg on occasion i would be :Wconfused all the time

i'm glad you see my logic there... i re-read the entire thread on occasion out of sheer boredom, and lack of abiliy to retain some of the principles of this stuff for more than about 48 hrs or so. if i didnt re-read or at least skim throuhg on occasion i would be :Wconfused all the time

And when you re-read it how do you feel about the first sentence in the thread? "We are about to market a new supercharger."

"About" is a relative term. In the geologic timescale, humans have only been around for a few minutes!

Pettit's SC will most likely be on the market first since last we heard from Richard, he's still working on the tuning (aka flash) for the AFSC.

Being first does not always mean being the best. ie; Russians getting to space, and the ever so famous Greddy Turbo. ;)

Pettit's SC will most likely be on the market first since last we heard from Richard, he's still working on the tuning (aka flash) for the AFSC.

Being first does not always mean being the best. ie; Russians getting to space, and the ever so famous Greddy Turbo. ;)

I give Pettit way more credit than Greddy. I don't even consider the two to be in the same category.

Do you guys have any clue what thread you're yammering on in?

I give Pettit way more credit than Greddy. I don't even consider the two to be in the same category.

Do you guys have any clue what thread you're yammering on in?

you guys are taking my comments WAY out of context. Point I was making was... so WHAT if Pettit's SC comes out first. The AFSC will be out as soon as it can and it will end up being worth the wait.
I've seen the AFSC in person, seen Richard driving it, I believe in the product, and when it comes out I think there will be plenty of satisfied customers who will be happy that they waited.

Now....back to our regularly scheduled program.

^^^
Fair enough. I'm really looking forward to the AFSC also.

I think the AFSC will make the RX8 even more exotic that's for sure.

GO-RP-GO

:icon_droo

"About" is a relative term. In the geologic timescale, humans have only been around for a few minutes!

The geologic timescale is based off of relative time instead of absolute time. Therefore in the geologic timescale we haven't been around for a few minutes...since thats a measurement of absolute time in relation to a relative subject. Humans in geologic time have been around for merely one or two grand canyon dyke formations....there ya go ;)

Ive only read a few pages back (dont feel like reading what I missed) so I was just wondering where RP is at the moment. It seems that hes doing alpha testing if I am correct?

The geologic timescale is based off of relative time instead of absolute time. Therefore in the geologic timescale we haven't been around for a few minutes...since thats a measurement of absolute time in relation to a relative subject. Humans in geologic time have been around for merely one or two grand canyon dyke formations....there ya go ;)

thankyou

And when you re-read it how do you feel about the first sentence in the thread? "We are about to market a new supercharger."


ah, ya i know, its annoying... but its notlike i cant wait.. hell if he offered it to me today i couldnt afford it, so i can wait for sure

The geologic timescale is based off of relative time instead of absolute time. Therefore in the geologic timescale we haven't been around for a few minutes...since thats a measurement of absolute time in relation to a relative subject. Humans in geologic time have been around for merely one or two grand canyon dyke formations....there ya go ;)

I wonder how many human dyke formations my cat's life would be equivalent too. :cwm27:

I really shouldn't laugh so much at my own jokes.

hey everyone, i heard that once its out, installing a AFSC wont give you any more power, but WILL make it look like this....

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m144/paulmasoner/RX-7andahalf.jpg

god i am bored..

Wow, thats slick. Is that RX7 concept or a previous RX8 concept?

from what i read of the thread i pulled it from... photochopped

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m144/paulmasoner/RX-7andahalf.jpg

god it IS sexy though isnt it... looks like an orgasm on wheels. props to whoever did it, my photochop skills suck

there is a real Rx8 / 7 chop in the UK....

http://smart-corner.fotopic.net/p28129136.html

Uh hey.

Long time listener, first time caller. Hey RP, I'm rooting for ya. I really wanna see a completed product and hope everything on this goes well..


Okay so this doesnt fit into anything being discussed, but i just wanna let you know there are people here checking this thread and not saying anything. We're too lazy to type. I'm getting too lazy to click... almost.

there is a real Rx8 / 7 chop in the UK....

http://smart-corner.fotopic.net/p28129136.html

I want to do this but not sure if it will be worth it.

Uh hey.

Long time listener, first time caller. Hey RP, I'm rooting for ya. I really wanna see a completed product and hope everything on this goes well..


Okay so this doesnt fit into anything being discussed, but i just wanna let you know there are people here checking this thread and not saying anything. We're too lazy to type. I'm getting too lazy to click... almost.


Ha, first time i've ever seen you post on here.... seen a couple of your posts on http://irxhawaii.com/ though.. nice to know i'm not the only one on the island watching/waiting for this..

i'm SURE you've seen harry's plates by now, i just picked mine up today!!
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m144/paulmasoner/P3100231.jpg

This money I've saved up is burning a hole in my pocket. I check this tread everday without posting as well. Waiting waiting waiting waiting, but PATIANTLY!

damn all of you photobucket people! dont you know the navy doesnt like it (for some reason that i can't explain). Yah I know the Irx guys, but family/work/school/lack of problems with my 8 now has been taking up a lotta time so i havent done any cruises. I did get the craftsman powdercoat gun as wishful thinking for free time in the future tho.

i cant see the plate, attach the pic to the msg :D

I want to do this but not sure if it will be worth it.

I would expect that the car is a LOT less rigid. No longer has 50/50 balance. I [i]might[i/] even be heavier. (probably not, since the rear wont have all the safety reenforcement that modern cars do)

Though it does look pretty cool.

damn all of you photobucket people! dont you know the navy doesnt like it (for some reason that i can't explain). Yah I know the Irx guys, but family/work/school/lack of problems with my 8 now has been taking up a lotta time so i havent done any cruises. I did get the craftsman powdercoat gun as wishful thinking for free time in the future tho.

i cant see the plate, attach the pic to the msg :D

ya AF is the same way about the firewalls, except we cant even come near this forum, much less photobucket!! But that never stopped me :suspect: , long as they dont find out how i advert it!

Any how, ya, i havent actually been out with the guys much either. Seems like we do shit all week long, but then the first time someone wants to call it a "get together" or a "cruise", i cant make it for some reason. Any way, here is pics, Harry's are on the car, mine on the floor next to dog.

This money I've saved up is burning a hole in my pocket. I check this tread everday without posting as well. Waiting waiting waiting waiting, but PATIANTLY!

:D:

Would you rather have Richard posting or working on building and setting up for manufacturing systems?

What is the use of kicking out a partially tested unit only to have to support a bunch of whining, impatient customers that rag on the system for not being fully tested. :dunno: I wouldn't think of doing that and I would like to believe that Richard feels the same way. :rock:

awesome license plates, I thought about doing a vanity one, like OHPOOP or B YLO

My plate says ".5mvv"












.... ok, it really doesn't, but I'd really like it to...
just too lazy to ever get around to it

:D:

Would you rather have Richard posting or working on building and setting up for manufacturing systems?

What is the use of kicking out a partially tested unit only to have to support a bunch of whining, impatient customers that rag on the system for not being fully tested. :dunno: I wouldn't think of doing that and I would like to believe that Richard feels the same way. :rock:


Can't he call someone who is on this board give a quick verbal update and then that person could post for him. :scratchhe NO wait, that would be another 5 minutes he wasts not working. Get back to work Richard! what are you doing reading this?!?! And now your not allowed to use the bathroom, just use a mini porta-potty as your chair!

:Freak_ani
http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/rv-toilets-tanks/fiamma-rv-toilets.htm



:mdrmed:

Richard, will the AFSC come with permanent lubrication or will it need a source of oil?

Philodox, your history. ;) :cool: :p

We will oil the blower from a plate sandwiched into the oilfilter. These are on the market already for tapping oil.

Stupid 1 character post limits. :evil_laug

Can't he call someone who is on this board give a quick verbal update and then that person could post for him. NO wait, that would be another 5 minutes he wasts not working. Get back to work Richard! what are you doing reading this?!?! And now your not allowed to use the bathroom, just use a mini porta-potty as your chair!

mini porta-pottys! this is serious shit man.
if you read the whole thread on page 287 was when he first hooked up the colostamy bag.

Richard, will the AFSC come with permanent lubrication or will it need a source of oil?

as of late, it is using an oil line.

beers :beer:

does any1 know what page the dyno sheet is on for the afsc? id did a search but it doesnt tell you the page. also ive read alot but have reached my threshold for stuff i can teach myself from reading around in here....can you guys tell me why this sc is better than the petit......or say the mazsport turbo that spools up really fast at low rpm. at least thats what i got from all this superchargers are uniqe because there is no lag correct?

be nice im new

thanks

rick

there is no dyno sheet. it is not done yet.... not better or worse it is different...

a sc is run off a belt that runs off the motor.. a turbo spools off of exhaust gas...

beers :beer:



does any1 know what page the dyno sheet is on for the afsc? id did a search but it doesnt tell you the page. also ive read alot but have reached my threshold for stuff i can teach myself from reading around in here....can you guys tell me why this sc is better than the petit......or say the mazsport turbo that spools up really fast at low rpm. at least thats what i got from all this superchargers are uniqe because there is no lag correct?

be nice im new

thanks

rick

Don't think there is a dyno but it has been reported that peak will be a round 280hp.

there are some threads that answer your other questions . Bad form to discuss pros & cons of this SC vs others on this particular thread . I'll find some links for you ....


here's one

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=110388

there is no dyno sheet. it is not done yet.... not better or worse it is different...

a sc is run off a belt that runs off the motor.. a turbo spools off of exhaust gas...

beers :beer:

you are quick off the mark today swoope ....

thanks for the link ....i know the sc runs off a pulley and the diameter of the pulley determines boost. i think lol. i also know the turbo runs off exhaust so im guessing its a little hotter. i like the quick spooling turbos and just wanted an opinion if you think this thing is worth the wait. you guys know your shit and all input is appreciated.

thanks

rick

thanks for the link ....i know the sc runs off a pulley and the diameter of the pulley determines boost. i think lol. i also know the turbo runs off exhaust so im guessing its a little hotter. i like the quick spooling turbos and just wanted an opinion if you think this thing is worth the wait. you guys know your shit and all input is appreciated.

thanks

rick

well i would wait and get what you want.... no one knows how it is all going to play out...

read learn... might read the pettit thread and the mazsport section...

just right now the only things you can buy are the greedy and the mazsport.

you might start a thread and ask ?s there instead of in the afsc thread...

or you can pm me and i will do what i can..

beers :beer:

Depends what your goals are...

Personally I think 100+HP is all I would ever want...If this delivers +/- 25HP short of 100 then I'm still good with that.

If your trying to get "more" then turbo will probably be your best bet...

I am a fan of simplicity and this solution is elegant...turbos are going to be more complex but should deliver more bang if thats what your really after...

My 2 cents...of course I'm sure I'm about to be given back some change...

im all for the afsc and i did not mean to promote any other FI product. i was just wondering what all the hype is and what makes this sc the one everyones waiting for. as you can tell im weighing my options and want to know what makes this one the item everyone is talking about.

its unique
it gives you the high end performance of a centrifugal but with boost at lower rpm as well
it does not require an intercooler
its priced below a quality turbo kit (perhaps because of no intercooler)
its the nearest thing to bolt on horsepower
its unique

mini porta-pottys! this is serious shit man.
if you read the whole thread on page 287 was when he first hooked up the colostamy bag.

Oh I forgot about that! Now we just need to hook up a feeding tube so he doesn't have to stop to eat.

Now, how to eliminate sleeping...

Sleeping is for the weak...Any IT/programming geek will tell you...altho after about four days everything starts to get...wierd...I like to call it "technicolour"...by day five you can start seeing the other people which exist in the parallel universe next door...those guys are frackin wierd...

Sleeping is for the weak...Any IT/programming geek will tell you...altho after about four days everything starts to get...wierd...I like to call it "technicolour"...by day five you can start seeing the other people which exist in the parallel universe next door...those guys are frackin wierd...I agree sleeping is for the weak, except not sleeping for extended periods has it downside such as permanent changes in the brain. The changes make you want a sc even more.... :Eyecrazy:

I agree sleeping is for the weak, except not sleeping for extended periods has it downside such as permanent changes in the brain. The changes make you want a sc even more.... :Eyecrazy:

sleep who needs it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6083840.stm :Eyecrazy:

sleep who needs it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6083840.stm :Eyecrazy:

Yeah, that doesn't sound like something out of Jacob's Ladder at all. :uhh:

Haa...strangely enough I'm prescribed dexedrine...and apparently the us air force still issues that to pilots who are going to be awake for extended periods of time...I for one must say that it does work pretty well and doesnt really have much side effects... :crazy: :Drooling_ :suspect: :eyetwitch :scatter:

its unique
it gives you the high end performance of a centrifugal but with boost at lower rpm as well
it does not require an intercooler
its priced below a quality turbo kit (perhaps because of no intercooler)
its the nearest thing to bolt on horsepower
its unique


The biggest reason that I'm considering this kit as first choice is that it reflashes the ECU. I don't want to pay 1700 for an Interceptor-X like the Pettit kit. It makes for a cleaner and more efficient install/design.

anyone know the status of this? i've read through a few pages but there's no way i'm gonna read through all 300 of em

arnold, status is we are all waiting for ECU reflash developments......

So basically status unknown......

SC unit design is complete, pending patents, and should begin production in the near future. (RP is working on a few other products at the moment so no time to make the SC's)

The last piece of the puzzle is the engine management. Its coming in the form of an ECU flash (sort of like the RB flash). RP is in talks to have this made but we're unsure of its exact progress

.... no time to make the SC's....


wow.

the projects he's working on now are PAYING customers so they need to take priority for Richard. (especially since it does him no good to have a warehouse full of super chargers if there's no engine flash)
:fruit:

wow - looks like I'll just go RB flash and play with a port extractor for awhile. Hope everything works out in the end. Been waiting awhile to see the blower on the streets and performing with no probs.

and wait continues...

fyi: what I posted is basically just a summary of Richard's last couple of posts (nothing new) Just figured I'd get people caught up since this thread is quite long.

So, is RP no longer pursuing CARB certification or OEM status with the factory? (He'd only mentioned this in a few posts.) Looks like I'll be going the AFSC route, regardless, but I know these factors will mean orders of magnitude in sales, compared to not having them.

+1 for carb/oem status pleeeeease :wavey: Will still be getting AFSC if not tho ^^;

This is way off topic - but then again what isn't in this thread?

I rented a Lotus Elise today for a few days while on vacation in Fla.

What an amazing driving experience, and I didn't even really get a chance to
really find out what the car can do. This is truly what a car should be (as long as your idea of errands means returning DVD's to Blockbuster.)

I'm actually a little depressed now, as I will never be able to own an Elise,
considering that I'm extremely lucky to be able to own (and keep) a car at
all living in Manhattan. I guess the RX-8 is about as exotic as I'll be likely to have.
And one or 2 changes in my living/parking situation and even that could be gone.

I'm just hoping that eventually when I do get an AFSC that it will make the car
the slightest bit more Elise-like in terms of having more power to better be able to place the
car where I want it. The short ride I had 2 years ago in Pettit's SC car really whet my appetite.

If they rented the elise in NY, (which they don't) I actually could be happy just renting it a few times a year.

Any other 8 owners that have gotten any significant time behind the wheel of an Elise care to comment?

^^^I've valeted Exiges at work... the car begs you to drive. Was quite tempted to leave work right then and drive off with the car. :FIREdevil Might have done it if it was an Exige S :naughty:
Don't get me started on the Carrera GT that's based at the airport where I work :cwm27:

This is way off topic - but then again what isn't in this thread?

I rented a Lotus Elise today for a few days while on vacation in Fla.

What an amazing driving experience, and I didn't even really get a chance to
really find out what the car can do. This is truly what a car should be (as long as your idea of errands means returning DVD's to Blockbuster.)

I'm actually a little depressed now, as I will never be able to own an Elise,
considering that I'm extremely lucky to be able to own (and keep) a car at
all living in Manhattan. I guess the RX-8 is about as exotic as I'll be likely to have.
And one or 2 changes in my living/parking situation and even that could be gone.

I'm just hoping that eventually when I do get an AFSC that it will make the car
the slightest bit more Elise-like in terms of having more power to better be able to place the
car where I want it. The short ride I had 2 years ago in Pettit's SC car really whet my appetite.

If they rented the elise in NY, (which they don't) I actually could be happy just renting it a few times a year.

Any other 8 owners that have gotten any significant time behind the wheel of an Elise care to comment?

I haven't driven an elise yet, because I know I'll want to buy it ASAP. I have been planning to sell my 8 this summer and buy an elise. But I live in a suburb outside of DC so parking isn't an issue.

A friend of mine wants to sell his Elise. PM me if you are interested.

John

An update from RP would sure be nice.

Richard....PM sent

I usually drive my friend Elise at least once a week. With a little more power the RX-8 could be able to produce the same experience. But I do love the way the Elise is able to accelerate with no effort pretty much.

Juggy - wow - what a great friend to let you drive his Elise on a regular basis - that is probably better for lowering stress than meds. It's encouraging that you think a 'charged RX8 can provide a similar experience. The Pettit 'charged RX-8 I was in - I was only a passenger so I didn't get the full experience, but what I can say is thay it had instant throttle response and felt like being in a rocket - and that was a prototype with no intercooler. So I think the AFSC will be even better.

Back to the Elise - the funny thing is I kept redlining it by accident, hit the fuel cuttoff several times. I am just so used to driving the 8 that my instinct said I had more RPM's to go before shifting - and I don't even redline my 8 that much!!!

The other funny thing about getting back into my 8 after the ELise experience - is that the 8 felt like too much of a luxury car. In just 2 days of driving that car my preconception of what a car should be has been completely screwed up.

Back in my 8 -I kept feeling like "why do I want all this fancy dashboard stuff - these power seats, sunvisors, glovebox, etc."

Give me bare aluminum and a manual seat a few inches away from the road surface!

This weekend I was out in New Jersey and able to open it up a bit.

Maybe most owners don't have this experience - but to me the 8 is not a good putt around, 30 MPH car - it doesn't feel right unless you are semi (or better yet fully) pushing it.

It needs to go fast- rev high and hit corners at high loads to make sense (and come alive)

I think the low torque adds to this uninvolving experience in stoplight to stoplight traffic. The Elise was better in this respect. I am hoping the charged 8 will be a better car all around.

SC unit design is complete, pending patents, and should begin production in the near future. ..... The last piece of the puzzle is the engine management. Its coming in the form of an ECU flash (sort of like the RB flash). RP is in talks to have this made but we're unsure of its exact progress

Looks like we'll be running the a Red 04 Rx8 in the One Lap of America come this May. Sure wish Mr. Paul had managed to make it into production for us to have added a bit of bhp to the car. My suspicions being what they are, I'm pretty sure a lot of the other entries in the small bore 3.5 liter and under sports car class will be packing extra heat .... probably a lot of extra heat. I guess we'll just have to try and get by on good brakes, light tires and coil over suspension mods. :eyetwitch


Cheers

I've already lost the faith...custom snail in progress...hopefully this will see the light of day...it should be pretty nifty...

im with eviltwinkie. this is taking quite a while but mr paul seems to quite enough knowledge to pull it off. it may be coming quite soon though i stated that the corksport double din dash kit would never come and it looks like april 4th it will be released ...praise jesus lol

Guys the SC is DONE. The problem is engine management. The only available solution right now is $1000 - $2000 for JUST the management. And then a another few thousand for the SC. That's a big leap in price.

Check out ALL the thread start dates for all the super chargers or turbochargers. They have been working on them since the 8 came out.

All FI projects have moved this slowly. Because our car is tricky as hell to work with.

If you want to get FI now get a Mazsport kit. If $10,000 is to much then give RP a break. Part of what's taking so long is keeping the AFSC from being a $10,000 kit.

I'm curious what RP was running for management to road test the unit?

when I saw it last summer he had the Int-X (which he HATED with a passion). I think he toyed with one of the E-manages as well.

Right and I certainly think that hes doing the right thing by getting the engine manglement working properly and thus make the kit cheap for everyone. Again more power to him and I am sure the AFSC is going to rawk and roll...all night long...baby...

I just needed the juice yesterday and instead of going with a kit...I can do my own...for about the same price if not a touch higher. The main difference with me and the other joes is that I know enough to really screw things up and lack the wisdom to stop myself...haa haa

I am still rootin for the AFSC...I am just out of time...the antesys in the pantsesys got the better of me...

That's cool. Keep us updates (with picts) with what you end up doing.

Last I knew...based on heresay let me state...was that they wanted to go with the Cobb AP 2.0 for the RX. Again for a very very good reason. If you can tune w/o an aftermarket engine manglement unit it will make it much more affordable for everyone. Its a brilliant plan if you ask me. So to answer the question of whats the current status...

Ask Cobb...once they release...I would imagine that you would see the AFSC shortly thereafter...

All heresay and whatnot...

Somebody, anybody help the Cobb people to get their AccessPort on the RX-8... http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/Default.asp?id=3120&v=more It's half the price of the Int-X and would solve many, many problems.

Oh... They or somebody needs to come out with some type of in car mount option on the RX-8... Just a thought....

Somebody, anybody help the Cobb people to get their AccessPort on the RX-8... http://www.cobbtuning.com/products/Default.asp?id=3120&v=more It's half the price of the Int-X and would solve many, many problems.

Oh... They or somebody needs to come out with some type of in car mount option on the RX-8... Just a thought....


what rock are you living under?

http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31354

:dunno:

what rock are you living under?

http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31354

:dunno:According to the thread you posted, they still don't have all the software written, hence the holdup...

In this photo, is there really a need for the resonance chamber on the flex tube now that you are supercharged?

http://www.axialflow.com/images/en/06_afsc_install.jpg

Is this thread scheduled for closure also?

What is the resonance chamber's function anyway?

Resonance...tuning of the intake basically...

not sure if they're shutting this thread down...

We're not sure either. We're really targeting lounge and regional threads first and threads with good info (even if it is mixed in with tons of off topic stuff) should be spared for now. If we do, a new one can be started and this one will be linked to it.

Is this thread scheduled for closure also?

What is the resonance chamber's function anyway?
Noise cancellation at a certain frequency. It's not a power tuning device.

hmmm - I wonder what frequency? Maybe if I remove it it will scare off Hondas like the the deer whistles do - LOL

Probably a subsonic frequency...so yes...and it will also serve as an elephant repellant to boot!

ha...

on a more serious note...its probably an annoying one...

The world is a vicious cycle. I saw on the discovery channel that moths drink bear piss. Moths are being eaten by the salmon that swim upstream. Salmon are caught by the bears. Therefore, bears have superpowers in their pee.

Bears sleep in trees and can climb up ladders. Also, they are intelligent to open a door knob. A black female bear can smell about 8 times more sensitive than a blood hound. But, they are also the ones that defend their cubs from animals trying to eat their young.

The world is a vicious cycle. I saw on the discovery channel that moths drink bear piss. Moths are being eaten by the salmon that swim upstream. Salmon are caught by the bears. Therefore, bears have superpowers in their pee.

Bears sleep in trees and can climb up ladders. Also, they are intelligent to open a door knob. A black female bear can smell about 8 times more sensitive than a blood hound. But, they are also the ones that defend their cubs from animals trying to eat their young.
HAHA!!! That's extremely funny to me mainly because I know shazbot in "real life". And you guys thought this thread was 'Off-Topic' before... :wiggle:

Richard: any updates on the patents?

this project seems to have died ........ ???????

this project seems to have died ........ ???????

What's really sad is when a black cub dies from being eaten by a hungry grizzly bear.

Just another reason they are on the "Threat Down"

Just another reason they are on the "Threat Down"
Bears aren't just on the Threatdown list... they're number ONE! Numero Uno.

And this whole time I thought I was threat numero uno...bah!

And this whole time I thought I was threat numero uno...bah!
Sorry chief, bears have their superpower pee.

Any news on the superchager? Is it still in development? Its been a while since we have heard from RP. Is Richard on vacation or just very busy? Just a few words from Richard would be nice.

Me thinks thou prostest too much...

Any news on the superchager? Is it still in development? Its been a while since we have heard from RP. Is Richard on vacation or just very busy? Just a few words from Richard would be nice.Try this:
http://www.axialflow.com/contact.htm

beginning to doubt this is going to happen in the time frame of use for me. If this thing could be mass produced it could save the 8. We sure are loosing the performance war that is going on. Mainly hp. The rest of the car is absoulutly perfect for me. For me all I would need is 50 more to the wheel hp(total 250 to the wheels). Dont want turbo--my own reasons.
Mazda needs to wake up or the 8 is going to get left in the dust. Save the 8 Richard--save the 8!!!
olddragger

I'm with you OD - not looking for big numbers, and I don't want a turbo either.

:patriot:

phew.....finally finished reading the thread.....so....in the end...its not finished yet......sad

LOL- RP should update the FIRST post so nobody else does that...

Any news on the superchager? Is it still in development? Its been a while since we have heard from RP. Is Richard on vacation or just very busy? Just a few words from Richard would be nice.

I think RP is hanging out with the bears... or in a panda suit eating bamboo.

Those who work in a shop will like this:
click me, I'm super charged (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/10/video-supercharged-very-small-block-5-65-cubic-inch-v8/)

Hey all. Sorry, I missed this in the LONG thread. What type of reliablity would the AFSC offer?

Those who work in a shop will like this:
click me, I'm super charged (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/10/video-supercharged-very-small-block-5-65-cubic-inch-v8/)LOL - that is awesome :ylsuper:

(Someone please correct me if anything here is incorrect.)
Reliability ought to be fine, but since it isn't finished so no one knows for sure.

The supercharger is done and installed in his (Richard's) car and he has been running fine.

What's taking so long is engine management. I believe all the solutions out now cost +$1000 and don't work that well. And I believe RP hated working with them.

Part of what's taking so long is Richards efforts to keep the kit relatively cheap.

You can get Turbocharged now for ~$10,000 for the kit + install + tune

Soon-ish you ought be able to get super charged (I think Petite said ~$7000 + install + tune)

I believe RP is trying to keep the price a bit lower.

Pettits is starting at $ 4,995....Stage 2

+ $1500 for EMS = $6500

+ gauges, install, tuning...

I believe all the solutions out now cost +$1000 and don't work that well. And I believe RP hated working with them.
Actually every engine management system is more than capable of working just fine for the application. None of them "don't work that well". That wasn't the problem and it's not my place to get into it here. Price is a concern though as keeping it cheap has always been a goal. For some people that isn't a concern though as many already have an Int-X or emanage.

Those who work in a shop will like this:
click me, I'm super charged (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/10/video-supercharged-very-small-block-5-65-cubic-inch-v8/)
There was a booth at Sevenstock 8 that had these in it. There were several different kinds of engines and they all ran. Really cool.

And while thats all good and dandy...yes I said dandy...I cant help but feel like I got major HP-Blueballs...

COBB supposedly is around the corner...but nothing for sure yet...one day...one day...

Till then I'll be fapping away at rx-8 photochopped dyno pr0n...this time around I'll be sure to use royal purple to prevent blistering...

;)

Noise cancellation at a certain frequency. It's not a power tuning device.

"Downstream of the air cleaner is a resonance chamber that acoustically pumps in more air and adds a few more horsepower."

RX-8, Jack Yamaguchi pg 61

"Downstream of the air cleaner is a resonance chamber that acoustically pumps in more air and adds a few more horsepower."

RX-8, Jack Yamaguchi pg 61
helmholtz resonance

Like I asked before, do we need this if we are supercharged? I say no since it is for NA.

it is not on the K&N intake either

Richard,

Just wondering if you have checked out this thread:

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=105397

About this new EMU running about $900.00 + shipping USD

Product site:
http://www.haltech.com/interceptor.htm



(still expensive, but I might or might not be worth you time. figured I'd post it here for your convenience)

he doesn't want some early 1990's technology EMU that has to be tuned for each car indiviually and doesn't have any type of automatic fuel trims to keep the car in tune from changes with age/climate...

You know, it's time someone Officially connected with this project checked in. The silence is becoming deafening. I've been waiting patiently, but with the blower design supposedly finished we're still not getting anything resembling an estimate in HP gains, the possibility of making pulley adjustments for more extreme performance, or anything else of import. From all accounts this is a really COOL piece of kit, but COOL isn't enough to budget against.

So how 'bout it. You don't need a working flash to determine the available HP gains. Estimates should be easily mathed. If it isn't going to happen say so. Again, the silence is deafening.

t was said just below 300whp something between 280 and 290+ for the the first pulley maybe more later.

dont know if you guys havde tried to go to the axial flow website but ive tried all morning and im getting a "this page cannot be displayed" message....all my other websites are loading. either way its time to face the facts .....this isnt going to happen. i believe richard gave it his best but in the end couldnt put all the pieces together. its a shame i was really looking foward to his SC. you guys can bitch at me all you like for saying it but how long has it been since his last update? it doesnt take much to log on and let someone know whats up. hell i wanted this to happen as much as anyone else.

this sux

rick

I wouldn't call this dead untill well after the release of the Cobb tuning unit.....

Richard himself has admitted numerous times that he isn't very "tech saavy" so I wouldn't put too much stock into the fact that his website is down.

It has been a while since we've gotten an update though...

thats what im saying, hes knows were all waiting .......giving us an update only takes a second. even if he was having an issue and ran into a problem....just let us know, ya know?........but nothing.

You've never seen him type! He literally types one finger at a time and even then he takes a while to find each letter.

Richard uses dail-up and one finger types really slowly, so it takes him a while to type even a short reply. He has also gone "missing" before. So, there is no solid sign that it is dead.

Not only is the blower design finished, it has been manufactured and installed in his car. And he has been driving it around for quite some time now.

The supercharger is ready and waiting. It is waiting for affordable engine management.

he doesn't want some early 1990's technology EMU that has to be tuned for each car indiviually and doesn't have any type of automatic fuel trims to keep the car in tune from changes with age/climate...

In responce:

Haltech is/was the state of the art for a long time.
I haven't looked at this unit since it first went into development, but it is likely a better solution than the Microtech since it has more granularity in the software and more configuration options.
Microtech = Interceptor-X

If you have money now you have two main options:

Turbo for ~$11,000
get in line for supercharger ~$7,000

I believe these products and the AFSC have been in development from about the same time. It is pretty natural that something that performs nearly the same, but costs less, will take longer to develop.


thats what im saying, hes knows were all waiting .......giving us an update only takes a second. even if he was having an issue and ran into a problem....just let us know, ya know?........but nothing.


It DOESN'T take him a second. It takes him 30 minutes or more to sign on and write a short reply. And if he is waiting for Cobb then there is nothing for him to report.

EDIT: meant one finger.

thats what im saying, hes knows were all waiting .......giving us an update only takes a second. even if he was having an issue and ran into a problem....just let us know, ya know?........but nothing.

if he took the time to respond to every post like this it would never get done.

he has better things to do.. this is the same as the mazsport thread..

if you want to wait and learn, do. if not move along.

it will be done when it is done.. and my guess is he will post and tell us when that is..

beers :beer:

Remember that Richard's main job does NOT center around making superchargers. He makes short shifters, pullies, etc...

Does anyone know if Richard is off on Vacay or something I PM'd him and sent him an e-mail and still no responce. It's urgent.

I'll try calling him tomorrow.

One phonecall can prevent 10 emails...

Seriously though, I'm not sure I understand the rush to write this project off by some people? If you have the money and want to go FI RIGHT NOW, then obviously this isn't for you, but no need to be all doom and gloom. If you're willing to wait and you've waited this long, why not wait a little longer?

This just seems a bit negative, and we're here for info, 20+ page tangents on cool engineering, and to say things like "Looking forward to the release!"

And with that...

I'm looking forward to the release!

I know I've been ignoring you guys but the SC is in fact being worked on. We are producing the componants and updating some things. We have pretty much decided on a beta test person and will do that the instant we have a prototype of the ECU solution.
I don't want to heavy up for sympathy but my mother passed away two months ago and there is a mountain of legal mess for me to handle. This was neglected for years and I should have seen it coming. It's a time and money consuming thing. Get your shit together before you go.

Anyway I finally got a good digital camera that I can work with. A Nikon D80 and it is like working with a SLR film camera. Almost. In fact it is so smart there will be a lot to learn. Next all I have to do now is learn how to work pictures into the computer and size them for the forum.

Don't give up, there are too many parts already made. I'll take pictures. In fact I already went a little nutso and took a bunch of the new shop. Like I said I just need to work them around.

I can't give you guys dyno runs because it still doesn't run right and I'm not going to waste my time tuning the EMU when another product will soon replace it.

Like Rotaygod said we have other things we do to stay alive. That means beside the Rx8 parts. Believe it or not making parts for other industries pays a reasonable income. As much as I love making 8 product there will never be a profit in it. It is too hard and there aren't enough of them out there. These are facts, I'm not bitching. I knew what was going to happen when we started. That's a lie, I never thought it would take this much development. :Eyecrazy:

Thanks for the update RP .

I think you possibly underestimate the potential demand for a good SC solution for the 8 .Unfortunately I fear Pettit will beat you to it though .......

The Petite will still cost $7000+. Hopefully the AFSC will be less, though I have no idea how much. Richard is playing it smart and not letting the competition know exactly what he is doing. Unfortunately, that means we end up not knowing as well.

I think you possibly underestimate the potential demand for a good SC solution for the 8 .Unfortunately I fear Pettit will beat you to it though .......Yup, and the demand is even smaller if someone else's gear is already installed in many of the cars in the market out there.

I know I've been ignoring you guys but the SC is in fact being worked on. We are producing the componants and updating some things. We have pretty much decided on a beta test person and will do that the instant we have a prototype of the ECU solution.
I don't want to heavy up for sympathy but my mother passed away two months ago and there is a mountain of legal mess for me to handle. This was neglected for years and I should have seen it coming. It's a time and money consuming thing. Get your shit together before you go.

Anyway I finally got a good digital camera that I can work with. A Nikon D80 and it is like working with a SLR film camera. Almost. In fact it is so smart there will be a lot to learn. Next all I have to do now is learn how to work pictures into the computer and size them for the forum.

Don't give up, there are too many parts already made. I'll take pictures. In fact I already went a little nutso and took a bunch of the new shop. Like I said I just need to work them around.

I can't give you guys dyno runs because it still doesn't run right and I'm not going to waste my time tuning the EMU when another product will soon replace it.

Like Rotaygod said we have other things we do to stay alive. That means beside the Rx8 parts. Believe it or not making parts for other industries pays a reasonable income. As much as I love making 8 product there will never be a profit in it. It is too hard and there aren't enough of them out there. These are facts, I'm not bitching. I knew what was going to happen when we started. That's a lie, I never thought it would take this much development. :Eyecrazy:
Richard,

Please check your PM box it's urgent! I also sent you a message via your website.

Thanks

RP plz get in touch with me.

I am a former RX8 owner and now s2000 owner and have been watching this thread with a passion and have been updating the S200 community when info presents its self.


If we can set something up to get me a blower I am willing to design and build a set of prototype brackets and pulleys for the S2000. Even though you are not actively working on the S2000 this should help relive you of some of the design work for the next vehicle and may end up helping you recover some of your designing cost on the RX8. I am willing to sign a proprietary agreement you desire. In addition to the S2000 I am also willing to help you design mounting assemblies for a number of other cars if desired.

I also have some devices that could be put to good use on your blower to modify the pressure profile for increased flow/pressure at lower engine rpm while keeping the upper RPM pressure/flow rate in check.

sorry to hear about your mother. is that all ok now?

best of luck to you richard! i will be patiently waiting.. =)

I know I've been ignoring you guys but the SC is in fact being worked on. We are producing the componants and updating some things. We have pretty much decided on a beta test person and will do that the instant we have a prototype of the ECU solution.
I don't want to heavy up for sympathy but my mother passed away two months ago and there is a mountain of legal mess for me to handle. This was neglected for years and I should have seen it coming. It's a time and money consuming thing. Get your shit together before you go.

Anyway I finally got a good digital camera that I can work with. A Nikon D80 and it is like working with a SLR film camera. Almost. In fact it is so smart there will be a lot to learn. Next all I have to do now is learn how to work pictures into the computer and size them for the forum.

Don't give up, there are too many parts already made. I'll take pictures. In fact I already went a little nutso and took a bunch of the new shop. Like I said I just need to work them around.

I can't give you guys dyno runs because it still doesn't run right and I'm not going to waste my time tuning the EMU when another product will soon replace it.

Like Rotaygod said we have other things we do to stay alive. That means beside the Rx8 parts. Believe it or not making parts for other industries pays a reasonable income. As much as I love making 8 product there will never be a profit in it. It is too hard and there aren't enough of them out there. These are facts, I'm not bitching. I knew what was going to happen when we started. That's a lie, I never thought it would take this much development. :Eyecrazy:

my regards

Thoughts and prayers to you and your family. Obviously this is way more important than the AFSC. Don't worry about us whiney rotorheads, we'll manage!

Luke

Sorry to hear the news Richard, I hope you are doing well. Thanks for the update on the project. Hmmm, I wonder who this guinea pig RX-8 can be? Lucky bastard....

richard just email any pics you want up and i will be glad to re-size them and send them back to you so you can include them in your posts

Richard. My condolences on your mom's passing.

If you want to put some decent resolution pics up then get an account at imageshack.us.
The upload is free unless you want to do a bulk upload of many pictures.
The site generates code for thumbnail posts so the moderators won't get upset with the picture size.

I'm patiently waiting for the debut of the AFE SC. If it's as good as the shifter then you won't have any trouble selling them.

richard---damn man--sorry. Enough said.

Earlier I said that you could save the 8. i'm serious. Mazda would be supid NOT to jump on your product. It fits so well. new tech all around. Small, silent, (mass production---i dont know the details with that), effective and unique. Then there would be money in it--a good bit.
Who wouldnt buy an afsc mazdaspeed for 35K(thrown out figure) or so. I need to see Billy again so he can talk with his uncle!
olddragger

transfer the technology to a small block chevy and make millions!

dont get on me to bad guys....sorry for doubting the axial flow, but we hadnt heard anything in a while. alot of you were thinking the same thing i was. i want this product just as much as the next guy. and im thrilled that we have an update and are moving foward.

go figure i say something about the axial flow being done with, and now i have to spend the next couple of days trying to get my foot out of my mouth. sorry for doubting you rp. i am very happy we can still look foward to the release of the sc.

sorry everyone

rick

Sorry to hear about your mom, Richard. I can only imagine how rough that's been for you. Thank you very much for the update. I'll now place my hands back on the chair and continue sitting on them. ;)

Good luck Richard, very sorry about your mother. Best Wishes.

To Ricky356: (Hands him a crowbar)

hands back crowbar and proceeds with jaws of life

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We're pushing for as soon as possible. Spring may be a little optimistic at this point (we're in April already) but depending on your definition of spring and summer we should be inside that time frame. Obviously the earlier the better, for all involved.

We've had to address some concerns on the AccessPORT unit itself. Keep in mind its rather new for us as well, so we've wanted to work out some of the kinks in it before jumping out into new markets. We just had a few more kinks than we originally anticipated when we first started talking publicly about supporting the RX-8. Sorry about that delay.

Reflashing the RX-8 isn't the hard part, and not the reason for the delay. It's all down to getting the AccessPORT up to snuff and our CAN cable fully sorted. Once that's done, we'll be ready to get this out to you guys.

Thanks for your patience,
Trey @ COBB

Now that IS some SERIOUSLY GREAT news!

Get your shit together before you go.I'm on it. I always worried what would happen to my family if I left them with unanswered questions.

May your mother rest in peace.

:angel:

My condolences.

A question to other viewers:

Is AccessPort being developed only for High Power Renesis, any news on the possibility of handling the Low pow also?

The same goes for the SC.

If there is any positive clue, it could be an ideal combo for low powered EU versions.
Thnx in advance.

I THINK it can be used anyway you want. It's just a tuning tool. People have used different EMU's Int-x, Canzoomer, Haltech to tune our cars with and without FI.

The AP is simply a method of changing certain parameters and variables within your own car's PCM. It can be used with any version of a car provided it has support. They are treating all RX-8's as one car because fundamentally the computer is the same for all flavors, but the settings are different internally.

So to answer your question...yes it should theoretically work for the RX-8 low power, AT, etc..etc...

Thnx both for the concern. I appreciate it.

326 at the flywheel?

Nice peak power and torque, but being a centrifugal on a high rev peaky motor, there is not much of a usable power band there. I am not very keen on the torque band.

looks like flywheel?

Nice peak power and torque, but being a centrifugal on a high rev peaky motor, there is not much of a usable power band there. I am not very keen on the torque band.yeah I agree, but I would like to test drive it to see for myself :)

Do you guys want to start your own thread on this. We should keep this one focussed on the RP Axial Flow Supercharger.

Lennart - those results look good & are worth discussing - but not on this thread .
Please start another one .
Cheers

I don`t know how to open a "new thread" and move these posts, maybe someone else can do it.

just click on "major horsepower upgrades" forum . The "new thread" button in on the left half way up the page .

Charlie can help - paging Zoom44 paging Zoom44

Here is my result on Dynapack dynamometer. I live in Sweden and bought DNA Supercharger last summer, built it in this Winter and are on a testday this friday.
I have ReAmemiya spark plugg wires and header and Turbo X exhaustsystem for race. Engine is stock and ingood condition.


I wouldn't respond to this if it was not on my thread BUT:
First of all eu dynos are programed to read out an adjusted flywheel HP.
You should also state the correction factor.
Lets not argue that right now because the graph is wrong no matter what.
HP and torque are connected as in the equation: Tq x RPM / 5252 = HP.
Thus they do not follow each other and they must cross at 5252 RPM.
I didn't bother but you might try that equation at some points on the graph.

Other then that congradulations on your installation. I'm sure the car is alot more fun to drive.
BTW you didn't say who's ECU you're using.

Lets not argue that right now because the graph is wrong no matter what.
HP and torque are connected as in the equation: Tq x RPM / 5252 = HP.
Thus they do not follow each other and they must cross at 5252 RPM.


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could be because he has torque in NM and power in HP - different scales .....

this is the ecu that comes with the kit richard..

http://www.dnamotorsport.com.au/

beers :beer:

I wouldn't respond to this if it was not on my thread BUT:
First of all eu dynos are programed to read out an adjusted flywheel HP.
You should also state the correction factor.
Lets not argue that right now because the graph is wrong no matter what.
HP and torque are connected as in the equation: Tq x RPM / 5252 = HP.
Thus they do not follow each other and they must cross at 5252 RPM.
I didn't bother but you might try that equation at some points on the graph.

Other then that congradulations on your installation. I'm sure the car is alot more fun to drive.
BTW you didn't say who's ECU you're using.
Check your PM BOX.

IMO I would have liked lennart's dyno results to stay in this thread for future reference. (there is so much off topic stuff already)

I think it will be interesting to compare the results from other centrifugal superchargers like the DNA/procharger and the knightsports rotrex, with the axial flow.

the way I have viewed the reactions to the axial flow design, is that most followers are hoping for the axial flow supercharger to deliver good boost down low. possibly expecting a result similar to a positive displacement SC.

I'm not sure who posted that the axial flow's boost response was similar to a centrifugal SC. if it is indeed more akin to a centrifugal blower, I would like to make a comparison between them to see the advantages and disadvantages of both.

even if the axial flow ends up being very similar in performance to a centrifugal SC, the packaging and installation pictures of the axial flow SC are enough to make me choose it over the centrifugal kits out there already.

I'm waiting for RP :D:

I'm waiting for RP :D:

hope you are young .......

hope you are young .......RP could be my brother maybe... :Eyecrazy:

Have you devised a way to pull cooler air from the front of the car yet? Like maybe making use of the RB intake piece?

cut a hole in the bumper

I'm sure you're busy Richard. You have a lot of people who can't wait to be customers. Keep the midnight oil burning to get this product to market. I'm ready to order the day it becomes available or earlier.

Hey Richard. I used to work with David at Boeing (left 6 months ago) on the A160. Coolest and most knowledgeable boss I've ever had and now I can see where he got that from. I remember him telling me about the AFSC and how cool it was. Glad I found this thread. Can't wait to see the sc when it all done (and I don't even have a RX8)!

The holdup right now from my understanding of the situation is a proper EMU. In order to keep costs down and make the whole thing affordable (increasing market share) is to wait for the release of the Cobb Access Port which would allow us to utilize the Mazda PCM and tune it for the AFSC. Below is the current status as given by Trey from the Cobb forums. I for one would rather that the kit be sold w/o an EMU for those who already have an EMU (Interceptor) to install/tune thier own kits. When the AP is released by Cobb then make a kit which utilizes that. Anywho...moving on...


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As for release time, I've been discussing it quite a bit with our engineering staff and everyone is confident and willing to do whatever it takes for a summer release. For those that are software or electrical engineers, that time frame came from the developers...not their boss (me). So, that means it should be accurate, right?

Thanks for the patience, everyone!
Trey @ COBB

Actually...That usually means that they are going to shoot for the summer and probably end up being delayed until fall...you should always add fudge factor to a developer estimate...

can't wait to see the AFSC actually come out! Hmm, maybe have it ready by SevenStock 10??

On that note: I'll wait for a couple guys to buy it and be guinea pigs, then I'll weigh my options.

Off-Topic again:
I don't know what the hold up with Cobb is. The specs for the ODBII connector and the bus are a standard. Cobb stated that the EMU is very similar to that of the Subaru that they have lots of experiance with. They stated that they can do bench flashing of the EMU. They have had RX8s for testing and I have to assume create standard flashes for.
I must be missing something. What is left?