Richard I think I found your fuel controller/ignition computer.
http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GREDDY-15500500&Category_Code=GReddy-ECU

"With the use of our "Optional Injector Harness" and the software, the unit has the ability to control an additional 16x16 injector duty cycle map and the controls for adding up to 2 additional sub-injectors. If the "Optional Ignition Harness" and the software are used the unit has the ability to control a 16x16 ignition timing map."

thats teh emanage. he will not be using an emanage.

Why wont he??
From the manuals it would appear to be very easy to program the MAPs
and they can be locked to prevent tampering if one was to use the EMS Ultimate.
Greddy even makes a pre-wired harness for the RX-8.

He could use it on the prototype designs to prove that this blower will work/what HP/TQ gains are to be expected until Richard designs his own controllers.

the emanage doesnt control , it only fools. richard needs actual direct control

This unit not only fools the Factory ECU it also has the capability to control up to 2 addition injectors, and can directly control spark timing.

The end result would be the same.
I can see wanting to fix the problem instead of putting a band aid on it.
If Richard wants to control everything that would mean the entire ECU would need to be replace with stand-alone. Which would drive up the price of the kit.

The Greddy unit can be password locked to prevent tampering. That way only Axialflow engineering can modify the controlling parameters and the factory ECU would remain in place keeping cost down.

ALSO
If something in the vehicle was to brake one could just unplug the piggy back unit remove the supercharger and take the car to the local dealership of service.

My dealership is cool with aftermarket products they will even put them on for a flat rate/hr and warranty there install.

A. there are several options available right now that take direct control of the fuel and timing that are better than the emanage solution and just as easily removed.

B. the greddy units supplied by greddy to the turbo kit owners a"locked" too. that lasted maybe a month once people got their kits.

if something were to break that didnt have anything to do witht heSC then there is no reason to take it out. If it has to do witht he SC why would you take it to the dealer instead of a Reputable rotary shop? If you take it out and go to the dealer they cant properly diagnose what is wrong with only half the info.

A dealership when I lived in GA would not look at my car when I had an ABS problem (Honda Accord) because I had a CAI on the Car. Took it off and went back talked to a different service person and even the manager when they pulled my records I got a look at the screen there was a big warning on the screen stating “The vehicle has had customer modifications performed all warranties are void.” They said they would not warenty the ABS system. Pissed off I left and went to another dealership in the next town the next day and got the same story when they pulled my records based on my VIN number. :mad:

I finally got it fixed by a friend and put the CAI back on.
No problems for 2 years but when it happened again after moving to FL I went to my local dealership and they fixed it under warranty even with the CAI. They also had the warning about customer modifications pop up on the screen. They said that that was a cop out that dealerships do not make money on warranties only on full all out repairs.
Its another way they try to screw the consumer.

I know there is laws out there to protect us form that sort of thing but the only way to enforce it is to go get a lawyer.

Back on topic.
To Richard just get the AFSC working so I can buy one. :)

Magnusson Moss act. you dont need a lawyer all you need is a phone call. what they did was illegal period. you shoiuld not have walked away from it.

Here's why the eManage is not a good choice and why som many are alerady having issues with it. You need to know the difference between a piggyback ecu and a standalone. The eManage is a piggyback

Let's say your engine is a puppet. Your ecu is a puppet master. It has control of the puppet by pulling on the strings. Simple enough. A piggyback ecu is the annoying little kid that is trying to alter the puppet's performance by pulling on the strings midway down. The problem is can you do it without the puppet master knowing it and how long can you keep it up before he finds out? This is what the eManage is doing. It is modifying the signal from the ecu to the engine. The problem is that the stock ecu has a way of altering it's performance to account for yours' In other words, it figures out that there is an annoying little kid playing with it's strings and it changes the way it plays in order to get the puppet doing what it wants to again. No you have to go back and make another change so it works your way until it figures this all out again. There is no point in locking out settings on it. They won't stay tuned and will need changing again. A piggyback system is fine on a car where the ecu never compensates or learns what changes have been make. This car however, it is not a good choice for.

A standalone ecu is like taking those puppet strings and cutting them away from the puppet master. Then you hook up your own and control it however you want. The puppet master can try all he wants but with strings connected to nothing, he can't do anything about you. He can complain all he wants. He has no control. However on the RX-8, the puppet master stock ecu controls far more than just the engine. We need to find a way to make him happy yet still do what we want. That takes us to the next scenario.

Let's say that the engine fuel and igntion control are only 2 of the strings in the puppet that the ecu is controlling. The piggyback system we know will be detected so that option is out. How about cutting only these 2 strings and installing our own. That's the best option right now. The factory ecu can still control the drive by wire, emissions control devices, abs, traction control, etc, but we have control of the ignition and fuel. This is how my Megasquirt project is working and also how Mazsport's system is working. As long as we tune the engine within a certain range (which is actually a very wide range btw), the stock ecu sees nothing wrong with the "performance" and doesn't care. Everything else keeps working just fine on the car but we control the engine.

Richard wants to try one more option but I personally think this is going to be difficult. He wants to control ignition but just add fuel on top of the stock ecu. In other words he wants to cut no strings from the fuel side of the puppet but wants to add an additional one to add more fuel at the same proportions according to the additional air the supercharger is providing. This means a standalone type of control on ignition but an added factor on the fuel.

Hope that helps explain why the eManage is not suited for this car and why there are so many better alternatives.

This is similar to a nitrous application, correct?

Richard wants to try one more option but I personally think this is going to be difficult. He wants to control ignition but just add fuel on top of the stock ecu. In other words he wants to cut no strings from the fuel side of the puppet but wants to add an additional one to add more fuel at the same proportions according to the additional air the supercharger is providing. This means a standalone type of control on ignition but an added factor on the fuel.

Hope that helps explain why the eManage is not suited for this car and why there are so many better alternatives.

hehe guy thats exactly what i said to fred last week:)

More or less but controlling the timing is the hard part of it. The fuel part is easy. You can't even apply a nitrous timing computer as we need the ability to control leading and trailing timing and then do it away from the prying eyes of the factory ecu. Since the leading and trailing timing split are constantly changing with different loads and rpm's, just simply retarding it when under boost isn't the best idea. We really need it's own ignition map when under boost. I just don't like the idea of a piggyback trying to do this.

I am not against the idea of running the extra injectors where he wants them and I am not against his control idea in theory. I am having a hard time figuring out how it could all be made to work in practice.

Ive been silent on this tread for a while but I have been keeping up with it. RP you have it going on dude.
NOW THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!
I see the light at the end of the tunnel. TKeep doing what you have been doing ---dont rush it. And when it's done it will be right.
Getting rid of the plastic manifold huh--lol.
I know this is probaly already been talked about but what type of lubrication will this unit use? Will running a pre mix through it be ok?
I am proud to be in your generation man!
olddragger

From what I remember he has said that it will need to tap into the engine oil system much like a turbo or some other superchargers would.

Thanks RG. I figued that but I have been reading about some atypicals with sealed lubrication systems and I was wondering.
What do you think about premix? It would probaly be easier just to fix the dang omp but I'm still wondering if the pre mix might still have advantages.
Olddragger

Philodox, your history. ;) :cool: :p

We will oil the blower from a plate sandwiched into the oilfilter. These are on the market already for tapping oil.

Thanks RP. That advitar(sic) is downright hypnotizing(hic!)
olddragger

136,945 views of this tread :eek:
The pressure is on RP ! Any update? I cant wait to see pics of that sexy compresser IN a 8 !

What kind of increases are you shooting for Richard? Any idea what we are looking at with one of these on an RX8?

What kind of increases are you shooting for Richard? Any idea what we are looking at with one of these on an RX8?

Both RP and the Hymster are shooting for higher figures ?????but so far we are being kept in the dark and only given bits of tantallising information ;)


B...free
michael

Both RP and the Hymster are shooting for higher figures ?????but so far we are being kept in the dark and only given bits of tantallising information ;)


B...free
michael

Its driving me crazy, I want one NOW!!! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it!

Waaaaaaaa!!!

end rant.

the emanage doesnt control , it only fools. richard needs actual direct control

Thus the eManage Ultimate...

Emanage Ultimate seems like overkill for what RP wants.

emanage ultimate still fools

Does it? It didn't appear so on the JP website. I haven't read the US one, so I can't comment on that...

What is the difference between an alternator and a generator? Do they create current/power in different ways? Or is it that the alternator is not independent like the generator? :confused:

Alternator makes AC (Alternating Current)
Generator makes DC (Direct Current)

Alternator has a recitifier in it that converts to DC so your car can use it.
Generator doesn't have to do that because its already making DC.

Generator is good at making voltage in a small rpm range.
Alternators have multiple phases, ususally 3 for cars, that each make power best in a certain rpm range so it makes more consistent current throughout the powerband.



Richard, I stopped by a couple months ago to buy a short shifter and love it. I live close by and if you ever need to you can use my car for comparisons once you get the SC on your yellow 8. Once your SC gets CA smog EOD# count me in, I want one!

RP do you have a kit ready to bolt on? I have the plug and play ECU. If you have a efficient design and I can provide the ability to control the engine management what are we waiting for? Scott

RP do you have a kit ready to bolt on? I have the plug and play ECU. If you have a efficient design and I can provide the ability to control the engine management what are we waiting for? Scott
I'm sure Richard would love to go ahead and try that, but there is a problem with that. Richard wants to sell the kit at a reasonable price. Your product looks awesome, the only thing is, it will add 50% on to the price for Richard's kits(or somewhere around there). If you guys could work out some sort of price agreement I don't see why Richard would be against it. Personally I think your system would work quite nice, giving full control with an awesome system like this, but the money is a big barricade :(

He likes the product but he doesn't want to spend $1600 just on engine management. He doesn't want a $7000 kit that gives 300 hp. He is searching for a cheaper alternative to include with his. It's nothing personal against your ecu so don't take it that way. When he gets the system mocked up on the car, you'll have to see if he'll sell you one without the engine management. I know you aren't terribly fond of superchargers but you might just like this one!

Seems like it would make sense to form an alignment at a much discounted price. Its better to recieve lets say 30% or so of your wanted price on thousands of units then your full price on dozens.

Really, if Richard was to source MazSport's unit, or some derivative thereof, it would probably be a tiny fraction of the cost of buying the unit seperately. The fixed cost of a piggyback are very very small, everything above and beyond that is profit and goes towards the months of R&D involved and any expenses that involved.

If MazSport doesn't do it, it's loss money right off the bat. RP will find another way to do it on his own. If they do do it, they can at least make a moderate profit off every kit sold. That's better than nothing.

The business decision for MazSport comes down to whether or not they believe sufficient enough people will buy their ECU in addition to RP's supercharger, and whether providing it in the kit at a lower margin to everyone is better or worse than selling it at full margin to the number of people that would buy their ECU anyways.

I'd say it's a safe bet to give it to RP at a low margin. I imagine that most people going the supercharger route are going to be more conservative than your turbo guys and aren't likely to buy his ECU on their own in large quantities. And it has the benefit of getting their ECU out there and generating reputation with all the SC buyers on top of the big reputation boost it gets simply by being sourced for use in another company's product.

^^ well put. The volume market for MazSport's unit is alongside mods like this, so they need to price it right so it's a no-brainer for RP

You guys are assuming that Mazsport doesn't pay much for these. It is very possible that they pay more for it themselves than Richard is willing to pay for one at all. That is highly likely. We don't know what that amount is. Richard is interested in the Megasquirt concept. Not because he will actually end up using it but because it shows that you can get the desired control for a very low cost. All he would have to do is buy the raw parts, hire a couple of part time hourly people and have them make ecu boards and harnesses all day. He could have a couple hundred dollars in raw parts (and that's assuming he doesn't buy in bulk) for each unit and then have maybe $50 labor devoted towards assembling each one. That is cheap. I guarantee that is MUCH cheaper than what Mazsport is paying for each system themselves and why they couldn't work out a good enough deal with him. I seriously doubt they make these on sight. Now I only use that as an example of what Richard's goal is for a solution in terms of cost. It isn't to say that he will use a Megasquirt. He'd have to work out a deal with the designers of it to sell in with a large kit since he isn't a lone hobbyist building one for personal use.

Even if Mazsport was paying only half of what they are selling it for, and I suspect it is much more than that, we are still talking about $800 or so. This is just an example I made up so don't think they are ripping you off. Whatever Richard has to pay is going to show itself in the kit as more than that amount added on it's own to a kit price. He does want to do it right but he also wants to give people more affordable solutions. Right now people are paying $3500 for turbo kits that have unreliable control. Then those people need to spend $1600 or more just to get it to run like it should. We are talking about well over $5000 when it is all said and done. He doesn't want a $5000+ kit that performs like everyone elses. He wants a cheaper kit that at the very least least performs as well or but hopefully outdoes them. Electronic parts are cheap. Why does putting them all together into one box have to be so much more costly than buying the CNC machinery, designing a product from scratch, and then paying for the material to make a product, develop a kit, and then market it? If anything the supercharger should cost $4900 and the control for it should be $100. That would be more accurate of how much they are worth. I also made those numbers up. That's why he doesn't want to pay alot for an ecu option. His work and product is very expensive already. He doesn't want the ecu to be what pushes the price point so high that only 2 people on the planet will buy one.

The Mazsport ecu is a great unit that can definitely do everything that Richard needs it to do. Not insulting them one bit. They have given the community something it needs and has wanted and we should all thank them for it. It just isn't going to be cost effective to supply it with Richard's supercharger. Those that are willing to could use it with his unit if they were to purchase it on their own but suddenly I think that many will feel it isn't worth all the extra money at that point on top of his unit. That would push the price up to what he would probably have to charge if he included it so you can see iwhy t wouldn't sell well.

Richard, if you need labor I have experience with soldering and electronics. I'm willing to work for dirt cheap and I really mean dirt! If I can get a discount on your SC kit. I'm still in college so I am available for fall break, winter break, or spring break depending on your timeframe.

Altenators need outside voltage to excite a field.
Generators have fixed magnets and are self excited.

The plane I fly has 3 phase 115v ac generators.

John

Zoom44, I'll PM you in a little while about some stuff.


just saw this as i was reading back thru. did i miss something richard? i havent received a pm from you.

OMG, what a fucking nightmare. Bought an engine and having it removed from the car, so I need the computer stuff and the loom, right. Cheeezzz, what a mess of wiring. And all of it goes together. I have to take everything in the damn car including the fuse box and gas pedal. Do I need to take the glove box light too? Or maybe the wiper switch.

When I get it on the shop floor I'll take some pictures complete with the loom.
Anyway I can see why Hymee says he will test his on the dyno with Motec. There is no way I'm going to hook all this shit up on the dyno my own self. I wondered why Racing Beats dyno had all those fuse boxes and wires hanging throughout the room. But they have a reason as they are trying to work on the stock ECU.

This should speed things up by having an engine on the stand. To make RotaryGod happy I'm redesigning the blower to have an inlet at the front and axial discharge from the rear. Thanks to Fred this is a lot of work. The whole thing needs to be redesigned, only the compressor section itself stays the same. It will take some time now but the install will be easier and look better. Plans are for a 40 degree inlet with injectors on the other side. That should package nicely. It will not work for the S2k though so now there will be two different blowers. Not exactly economical for us though.

Car specific blowers makes for higher prices. You guys better wait for this because I need to sell a few to cover this cost. :rolleyes:

Zoom check your PM

Can I just trade you my first born? He'll make an excellent indentured servant!

Thank god I just got a new position....30% raise isn't bad. Too bad in CA the highest tax bracket is so low compared to what income you need to actually get along out here.

I'll be waiting RP!

OMG, It will not work for the S2k though so now there will be two different blowers. Not exactly economical for us though.

Car specific blowers makes for higher prices. You guys better wait for this because I need to sell a few to cover this cost. :rolleyes:

Zoom check your PM

thanks richard i read the pm. and i wondered about those s2k guys too. thanks for the extra effort that damn Fred is gonaa cost us all money
:rolleyes: ;)

but you're selling one to me thats for sure:)

Woohoo, I'd had a say in something!!! It's even more fun when it's a pain in the ass!!! :D

Woohoo, I'd had a say in something!!! It's even more fun when it's a pain in the ass!!! :D
And I was going to buy you a beer at 7stock.. and here you go costing us all more money! You bastard!

Now that i really think about it, we all probably owe you several beers anyway for making our lives more convenient..

but you're still a bastard!

Which one of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?

And I was going to buy you a beer at 7stock.. and here you go costing us all more money! You bastard!


If he'd have done it right the first time, it wouldn't have cost anymore! ;)

oh you did not say that:eek:

[B]

To make RotaryGod happy I'm redesigning the blower to have an inlet at the front and axial discharge from the rear. Thanks to Fred this is a lot of work.

PM

Make us all happy and finish this project heck i dont care if its doggy style or missionary :D

B...free
michael

Make us all happy and finish this project heck i dont care if its doggy style or missionary :D

B...free
michael

Reverse cowgirl? :p

since this is closer to becoming reality I gues I might need to sell a guiter and my oridginal hank williams album---damn!
I cant believe you are doing what RG wants ! Just get him to talking about syntetic (hell I cant even spell it!) oil and he will forget about everything else! Go Dude!
Can I be a bastard too?
Olddragger

Can I be a bastard too?
Olddragger[/QUOTE]


Anyone who hangs out with Hymee and/or Gomez can be a Bastard no problem. ;)


Reverse cowgirl? :confused: At my age there is something I haven't tried????
Call Kat Girl, she's coming over from Hawaii in a few days. Tell her to supprise me. :)

Reverse cowgirl? :confused: At my age there is something I haven't tried????

Reverse Cowgirl: Shes on top facing away from you and you'd be the bull :D

Reverse Cowgirl: Shes on top facing away from you and you'd be the bull :D



That's so old as to be boring. If you told Kat Woman that she'd laugh you off the forum. She has tricks there are no names for. At least I don't know them. Then again I didn't know that cow girl name either. :o

Just remember Richard that if she's riding you but facing away from you, she's probably pretending she's on someone else!

ok can we get away fromthis subject please?

ok can we get away fromthis subject please?


Lighten up a bit, or you'll grow old and grey.

RG, Guess I'll have to learn to live with it.
Have to give something up when she's 16 years younger then me.
I'm just greatfull I'm in good enough shape to hang in till the end.

I hope the cowgirl reference has no relationship to an 8 second ride. :eek:

Just remember Richard that if she's riding you but facing away from you, she's probably pretending she's on someone else!

She could pretend all she wants, its a mutually beneficial activity. :p

But in your case RP the "END" only takes about 15 seconds! :D

But in your case RP the "END" only takes about 15 seconds! :D


Wrong John, at my age the problem is the other way around. It now takes all night to do what I used to do all night. :rolleyes:

I sleep all night, thats about all i can do...ALL night! :D

Now, get back to work ya bastard, I'm waiting for the pic. of the loom! AND I'm dyin' for pics of that SC. IN a car! :p

Where ya at Richard??????? Still with us?

I'm still here. Just got the engine up on a stand last night. I'll be designing the front bracket today and tomorrow. That'll give me a starting point for the manifolding and front volute design. also the belt drive and rear bracket.
All the little hoses and vacuum hook ups. Smog stuff has to be figured out.
Oil feed and drain back system. Looks like we may cast a new pan so that we can get proper drain back.

So there is going to be more pattern work then I thought there would be.
I'll keep you posted as this goes along. It will go much faster now that I have an engine on a stand.

There is yet another new blade design about to be cut. That means another set of bench tests but we are that much closer to the right flow.

RAP

I'm still here. Just got the engine up on a stand last night. I'll be designing the front bracket today and tomorrow. That'll give me a starting point for the manifolding and front volute design. also the belt drive and rear bracket.
All the little hoses and vacuum hook ups. Smog stuff has to be figured out.
Oil feed and drain back system. Looks like we may cast a new pan so that we can get proper drain back.

So there is going to be more pattern work then I thought there would be.
I'll keep you posted as this goes along. It will go much faster now that I have an engine on a stand.

There is yet another new blade design about to be cut. That means another set of bench tests but we are that much closer to the right flow.

RAP
Sounds good Richard. Is it possible you could upload some pictures of all three blades next to each other? I'm kind of interested in how this piece could be changed so many times :eek: Not criticizing, I'm no expert, just curious. Thanks very much.

doh! did you have to fab an adaptor to mount the engine to the engine stand? i actually have an extra one i have no need of sitting on my workbench. i won it at a raffle. its one of these from pineapple racing-

http://www.rotaryengineillustrated.com/parts/images/1a.jpg

http://www.rotaryengineillustrated.com/parts/pineapplestand.php

actually if anybody wants it......

Thanks for the update Richard. Was just curious as to the goings on over yonder. Maybe I missed it, but what happen with your car? As far as getting Mazda to do anything about it?

There is yet another new blade design about to be cut. That means another set of bench tests but we are that much closer to the right flow.
RAP I remember earlier in this thread monster that you said you were creating too much flow. Is that still the case?

I realize the goal is to have a perfect fit supercharger for the RX-8/S2000, but have you ever thought of making different sizes of these things for people who want to scale a bit for engines that have been ported to flow more air or do these things just flow so far beyond what we would need now that the potential is already there and could just be unlocked at a later date?

Ajax

doh! did you have to fab an adaptor to mount the engine to the engine stand? i actually have an extra one i have no need of sitting on my workbench. i won it at a raffle. its one of these from pineapple racing-

http://www.rotaryengineillustrated.com/parts/images/1a.jpg

http://www.rotaryengineillustrated.com/parts/pineapplestand.php

actually if anybody wants it......

Hell yeah I want it!

watch out for that adapter. it doesn't push the engine out far enough, so dropping the intermediate is an absolute BITCH!!!

you should be cool if you use about 1/4" worth of washers as spacers between the adater and the engine though. but i usually use a 5 gallon bucket :D

Sounds good Richard. Is it possible you could upload some pictures of all three blades next to each other? I'm kind of interested in how this piece could be changed so many times :eek: Not criticizing, I'm no expert, just curious. Thanks very much.


I guess I could take some rotors and put them side by side. That would just show some bldes are longer then others, you cannot see the changes in geometry with your eye. In fact each stage is a different size and shape. They get shorter going back. Plus a whole bunch of other things about the blade change that are invisable but important.

Ajax, there will be excess flow available in the design. It just isn't the best thing to do to make one size fits all. This is basicly a wing machine and need the air speed and AOA to match what it is lifting and how fast it goes. To make it worse then just a wing it has close turbulence from it's static stator blade and the twist from the prior stage. Then you need the stages to work together and in the case of our unit it has to work off design most of the time.

It's a challange to get the right combination of things to work with an engine which becomes a positive displacment reciever for the exiting air.

TexasKyle, They never gave me any satasfaction on this and I guess as we go along I will find it myself. If I never get it fixed It's just the right color, I'll have the painter detail like a lemon and park it in Orange County. ;)

About that bracket, no I didn't need to build to much to get it to work. It just took a set of bolt on fingers from an old stand put to a new one. They had the adjustment in the fingers and were deeper. So deep that I couldn't find bolts that long in 1.25 thread. I had to get threaded rod and make studs. :(

Thanks anyway Zoom. Give it to RG. I'm sure he'll figure something out.

If I forgot anyone post again and I'll catch it.

As an update, I got the posterboard cut out of the front bracket done last night. As soon as my computer will let me draw I'll make a solidworks drawing for the shop. Then it still takes some 3D parts added to it which in production will get cast. It should get a first try bracket and mounted this coming week. When it gets mounted I'll take pictures. :cool:

I'll have the painter detail like a lemon and park it in Orange County. ;)

As long as you do this on October 8th, I'm happy.

As long as you do this on October 8th, I'm happy.

Prey tell, what is Oct 8 :confused:

"I'll make a solidworks drawing for the shop" Paul, do you have a 3d model of rotary engine???
Thanks
Ted

Prey tell, what is Oct 8 :confused:

Sevenstock 8! :D

yay!

the sound of progress

Richard, many of us are going to be in Irvine October 7-10th. Sevenstock 8 is on the 8th. Get a mockup in the car and show it off! It doesn't matter if you don't even have a belt on it. Let's just see it.

"I'll make a solidworks drawing for the shop" Paul, do you have a 3d model of rotary engine???
Thanks
Ted


No, do you? Hell I'm just happy I can draw a bracket. That's not true I draw the supercharger. That is something that comes from my head though not an engine I would have to copy every detail and do an assembly drawing. That is a lot of work, someone would have to be paid to do that.

RG, that couldn't work because all the manifolding is changed. I'll try and get it on the engine though. Do I call someone to get a spot to put my engine???

If you can get it in the car just show up, get in line with all the other people looking to park their car on the grounds, and just open your hood up. That's all Pettit did last year. They didn't set up a booth. If you want a booth or a spot, you will have to ask someone. Try talking to Bern at Rotarynews.com. He might be able to help out. You could also see if Racing Beat or one of the other people would let you have a corner of their booth as well.

Paul,
Unfortunately I don't have it... I just thought that may be some one did my homework so I don't have to ;)

Thanks
Ted

Fred - ill bring the engien stand adaptor to 7stock

Richard- if all else fails and you have it in the car drivable by 7stock just show up. even if you arrive a little later int he day im sure one of us that is in and has a spot early wouldnt mind moving to give you the space.

Also i asked around and have not found a SEMA connection yet.:(

Just found this on wiki, I ran a search to see if anyone had posted it and it didn't return any results http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial-flow_compressor

I especially like this part. "is an improvement on the centrifugal compressor". Damn straight.

Also if you click on the compressor link it had further information on Axial units.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_compressor is especially good.

I'm too lazy to go through the 156 pages on this thread, so can anyone tell me what target date Richard is going release this?

I'm not trying to be an ass by saying this but he is going to release it when it is done. There really isn't a target date. He has a goal in his head but we don't know if it will happen or not. He not only has a car but also an engine on the stand right now. He is currently working on the mounting for it. This shouldn't take him too long to figure out. He has also changed the blade configuration again as he's made some fine adjustments. I know he'd probably like to have it all mounted up by November but that doesn't mean the kit will be done and ready to sell that soon. He'll still have to test it and get the ecu option completely worked out. That might not be that big of an issue. Realistically it'll be an early '06 kit.

Cool. Thanks RG. I was already at the 3rd page until I decided to check if someone has replied to my post :D

xyntax, I have been following this tread since it open this guys have it all under control just sit back and enjoy the ride

So anything new on the AFSC front? Inquiring minds want to know.

So anything new on the AFSC front? Inquiring minds want to know.
He'll be back when he's got something worthwhile. I really hope to see some engine bay pics. I think it will be teh secksy :p Richard, keep up the good work. When you've finished the supercharger I will patiently(I'll try anyway) progress on your next endeavor. :D

I have some pics of the blower on the engine. Just one problem, my computer. It's been giving trouble again, this time there is no start button or icons. When I first start up they flash on for a split second then never again. My background is the only thing I get. I hooked the camera up and it is suppossed to transfer automaticly but the screen never comes up. :(

If someone can help me here I'll get the pictures on.

send me the camera?;):) hold on ill get ajax on it:)

I have some pics of the blower on the engine. Just one problem, my computer. It's been giving trouble again, this time there is no start button or icons. When I first start up they flash on for a split second then never again. My background is the only thing I get. I hooked the camera up and it is suppossed to transfer automaticly but the screen never comes up. :(

If someone can help me here I'll get the pictures on.
Sounds like you need a reinstall..
For the moment try this though:

ctrl + shift + escape
File -> New Task (Run)
type explorer.exe and hit enter

If the start bar comes back, i'll be surprised..
Also make sure you dont just have it on auto hide. You can hit the windows key to check.

I have some pics of the blower on the engine. Just one problem, my computer. It's been giving trouble again, this time there is no start button or icons. When I first start up they flash on for a split second then never again. My background is the only thing I get. I hooked the camera up and it is suppossed to transfer automaticly but the screen never comes up. :(

If someone can help me here I'll get the pictures on.


Be sure to boot the PC up without the USB device (camera) plugged in. Once its in windows, then plug it in.

Sounds like you need a reinstall..
For the moment try this though:

ctrl + shift + escape
File -> New Task (Run)
type explorer.exe and hit enter

If the start bar comes back, i'll be surprised..
Also make sure you dont just have it on auto hide. You can hit the windows key to check.

None of that works. The new task thing is how i'm getting to outlook and my mail.
I'm not sure what a reinstall is. I tried some of the discs that came with it but no usefull help. Don't know which disc it is or if I have it.

None of that works. The new task thing is how i'm getting to outlook and my mail.
I'm not sure what a reinstall is. I tried some of the discs that came with it but no usefull help. Don't know which disc it is or if I have it.
reinstall = wipe out the operating system and reinstall your software
running explorer doesn't help then you've got a problem.

What kind of PC is it?
Did it come with a "Restore CD"?
Restoring would take a long time though.

You can run your camera software the same way if you know where it is.
You can also try booting into safe mode or when the computer is booting, push F8 a few times before the loading windows screen comes up and see if it works with the "last known good settings" option.
There's also system restore if you're running XP.

It's a Dell with XP
I'm going to try some more, but I've rebooted many times trying to get it to run right.
The idea that the start and icons are not set on top is the most likely. How would I look for that, I can't find control panel.

It's a Dell with XP
I'm going to try some more, but I've rebooted many times trying to get it to run right.
The idea that the start and icons are not set on top is the most likely. How would I look for that, I can't find control panel.

try run.. explorer

if that works, that try rightclicking in the backgraound and go to arrange icons.. make sure show desktop icons is selected..

if it stil messing up try running msconfig, go to the 'services' tab, find the 'Background Intelligent Transfer' service.
Disable it, apply the changes & reboot.

good luck..

Had exactly this problem.

after your desktop comes up do the three fingered salute and select task manager. on the menu hit file and click run. type in the sfc "/scannow" (without the quotes.) have your XP cd ready.

Tried those and with explorer the start button appered for a flash a few times. I tried to catch it with the arrrow but it did nothing. I tried the SFC and something flashed for a micro second and that was it.
Keep em coming, I'll try anything once, maybe twice.

What do you see when you ctrl+alt+del?

And how are you here when your computers broke?

You may have a virus or bad spyware infection. Can you boot to safe mode? push F8 when the system boots and select safe mode. If you can see the start menu, etc. then it may be a program (like a virus) that is causing the problem. I have seen many that have similer symptoms as you describe.

Sounds like you have a graphics card/setting problem.

Use the sfe mode.

Tried those and with explorer the start button appered for a flash a few times. I tried to catch it with the arrrow but it did nothing. I tried the SFC and something flashed for a micro second and that was it.
Keep em coming, I'll try anything once, maybe twice. not to question you, but did you type SFC? if so just type /scannow (that is a forward slash) and nothing else. Good luck. Stupid computers.

doh, progress foiled by the damned computers again!

Richard, if you're doing the malibu drive Sunday, I can take a look at it for you. I'm heading to Northridge after the drive to fix another computer.

I'll try to take the simplest approach.
Maybe the task-bar is set to auto-hide.
Try moving the mouse cursor to the very bottom of the screen and see if it "springs" up for you.

You can also try pressing the windows logo key on the keyboard if you have one. If you don't, try pressing ctrl+esc it does the same thing.

What do you see when you ctrl+alt+del?

And how are you here when your computers broke?


That is how I'm talking to you.
I have found a way to the programs through I386 and I went to SFC it flashed for a second but was so fast I couldn't even see it.
Got any other things I could try and bring up from 386, there are a bunch of things in there I don't know what they are. In fact I don't know what most of them are.

I have found a way to the programs through I386 and I went to SFC it flashed for a second but was so fast I couldn't even see it. Fasinating. Do you have something like Nortan system checker? Honestly, this sounds over my head and I am just guessing, but you could have a registry error (use the reg checker for this) or a virus/spyware problem. Adware makes a good free spyware fixing program. IS folks at a company would just delete everything and reinstall. You do get a boost in performance afterward when you do a clean install. Kinda like after wiping the memory on the 8!

Tried the F8 trick asked for last known good sertup. got nothing. Not even the flash of a start button this time. Tried running one of my virus programs, didn't come up. :confused: :confused: :mad: :mad:

Tried the F8 trick asked for last known good sertup. got nothing. Not even the flash of a start button this time. Tried running one of my virus programs, didn't come up. :confused: :confused: :mad: :mad:
Try F8 and safe mode and then doing a system restore.
For info on system restore:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q306084

Try F8 and safe mode and then doing a system restore.
For info on system restore:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q306084

Ok I tried that and the start button came up but non of my stuff was in there. I had to go back to the old way just to get this back so I could complain about it.

I may have made one mistake when trying to restore settings. I'm going to try it again.

If your keyboard has a windows button, what happens if you hold down the Windows button and "e" Doe WIndows Explorer come up? also if SFC is just flicking away, type in "cmd" first, press enter. You will have a "Dos" screen come up where you can now use SFC /scannow.

Andrew

OK, I can bring up safe mode but can't get my settings into it. Therefore I can't use internet or e mail. Probably other things that don't work. I tried the transfer wizard. Took forever and got me nowhere.

So I'm using this setup with no start button or icons, or safe mode with no settings.

I've spent most of the day on this and almost shot it a couple of times. The only thing that stoped me was I didn't want to have to clean my gun.

I've spent most of the day on this and almost shot it a couple of times. The only thing that stoped me was I didn't want to have to clean my gun.


RFOL :D ah, well....I hoped you called it "yabastard" a couple of dozen times ;)

If WC Fields was still alive, I'm sure he'd add computers to things he refused to act with (along with animals and children)

RP just go get a teenager somewhere to come over and it will be fixed or at least diagnosed in an hr!
Olddragger

Richard. If you can get on line try spysweeper from downloads.com will take out must of spyware/adwares even worms and some trojans

Richard. If you can get on line try spysweeper from downloads.com will take out must of spyware/adwares even worms and some trojans



Tried ad aware and spybot, no help.

Looks like time for a clean install.....a pain in the ass i know but sometimes its the only way...

RP... why don't you guys have an IT guy for your shop? One of those could fix this and open up a ton of new avenues for you...

RP... why don't you guys have an IT guy for your shop?

He's let me in twice! I even ran the whole shooting match for a while when he went looking for Torque.

To the best of my memory, I didn't leave a time-bombed virus on it specifically designed to disrupt him the very same weekend we got the screw going :)

BTW - I found some torque myself ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Richard you said this was Dell laptop , why not just give them a call save yourself a lot of stress ?

Yeah Hymee.

whats your pet called.... "Sabotage"?
:D

Tried ad aware and spybot, no help.

Ok, do this:

When your computer boots, hit F8 to enter into "safe mode" like you've done before.

Once your system loads, run explorer by using your Start menu and selecting Run. In the box that pops up, type "explorer" (without the quotes).

In the left pane of explorer, browse to your C: drive, then to "Documents and Settings". What folders are listed there for you?

Open "All Users" -> Start menu -> Programs -> Startup and tell me what's listed there.

Ok, this next part is tricky but it's no big deal and no reason to be afraid of it.

Use your Start menu and select Run. In the box that pops up, type "regedit" (without the quotes).

In the left pane you should see a "folder" called "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE".
Click the "plus" icon beside it to expand it.
Click the "plus" next to "Software".
Click the "plus" next to "Microsoft".
Click the "plus" next to "Windows".
Click the "plus" next to "CurrentVersion".
Click ON the word "Run" down in the list.

List what all appears in the fist column in the right pane.

Basically, I want to get a list of all the programs that run automatically when your computer boots up to see if you might have a virus running or something else going on.

Basically, I want to get a list of all the programs that run automatically when your computer boots up to see if you might have a virus running or something else going on.

there's a much easier way to do this... hijackthis (http://www.majorgeeks.com/download3155.html), picks up almost everything, not just "run".

RP, i would recommend starting a thread in the lounge to help you get through this instead of cluttering this thread with this info.

if i lived in CA, i'd come down and set your stuff straight, but alas, i'm on the east coast :)

Doesnt sound like a virus or anything to me. Sounds like a porked registry.

Just to mention, though you may have tried.

Sometimes you can drag the task bar down until there is just a thin strip there. If you see a small line down there, you may be able to drag it back up.

If none of your icons are there, then it could not be loading your user profile.

Try creating a new user if you can get to the control panel. Sorry I dont know another way.

I think the best thing to do though would be to call Dell. The problem though, is they just may have you reinstall the OS.

I really think a new user account may fix it though.

If you can access safe mode then try system recovery in the help and support. It will default your computer to a time when it was running perfectly.
Help support found in start menu.
Windows based program
just tell it to restore to an earlier time when your machine was working perfectly.
i also have a dell is there no recovery icon from dell on the desktop? I guess not just prompting the obvious :D

i think the best thing to do is SEND ME THE MEMORY CARD FORM THE CAMERA:) so i can get the pics posted.:D:D

RP... why don't you guys have an IT guy for your shop? One of those could fix this and open up a ton of new avenues for you...

To survive in this majestic technical world, you have to be knowledgeable or hire someone else to do the work for you.
Keep it simple, go to walgreens , have them print the pics. Mail it or email it to the administrators of this forum. Go to compusa,best buy, egghead, computer city, have them look. Can you do a factory default reset? Read the owners manual on how to do it. It is easy an the Computer runs like new!!!!
Pictures are priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To survive in this majestic technical world, you have to be knowledgeable or hire someone else to do the work for you.
Keep it simple, go to walgreens , have them print the pics. Mail it or email it to the administrators of this forum. Go to compusa,best buy, egghead, computer city, have them look. Can you do a factory default reset? Read the owners manual on how to do it. It is easy an the Computer runs like new!!!!
Pictures are priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will NEVER suggest that anyone EVER take a computer to compUSA to get it fixed or best buy. Let me explain this:
My sister had a laptop
My dog managed to knock 4 keys off the keyboard
She took the laptop to compUSA to get it fixed.. they told her it would be 1000 to replace the keyboard (more than the cost of the laptop).
She took it to best buy. They charged her 60 to put 3/4 keys back on.
She brought it to me. I had a new keyboard shipped to me for the notebook in 5 minutes costing me $15 and I installed it myself in less than 10 minutes.
I took the computer over to compUSA and told them to stop trying to scam people.
End of story.

If you need computer help, find someone you TRUST who knows what they're doing to help you with it. I fix so many computers for free for people and I would just wonder if i could charge anywhere near what BB and CUSA did. It's just ridiculous.

On the plus side, if he can't get it working in the next 3 weeks, he can see alot of us at Sevenstock and let us take the pictures to post them. Better yet just let us take our own pictures of the unit to post. Easy enough and cool to see.

On the plus side, if he can't get it working in the next 3 weeks, he can see alot of us at Sevenstock and let us take the pictures to post them. Better yet just let us take our own pictures of the unit to post. Easy enough and cool to see.
3 weeks!?!? :eek: :eek: :eek: The suspense will kill me by then. :p I hope everything works out for Richard, but I'd sure like to see pictures sooner than that. If that is not possible, I guess I'll live. Don't let the computer keep your from progress Richard. Hope everything is going well. :)

Or you could've come along on the Malibu run this past Sunday and seen one in real life. I had one on hand and showed it around to a few of the drivers there.

On another topic, we had a great time in the canyons and I have a new view of the Rx8 shortcomings. Gonna have to do some work on the rear end of this thing.
The shocks suck for sure and I'm looking for an adjustable front swaybar. I don't know if strut braces help but it's an easy thing to try.

I admit most driving will not need these things but if you make even one of these runs you will want them. Of course that goes double for tracking the car.

I'm taking a break from thrashing the computer so as I don't kill it.
Maybe I can take the camera to the office and do it there. Just have to find the software disc.

richard most modern computers with XP will recognise a camera if u plug it in anyway.

If it doesnt just DL some drivers from the net.

I dont guess anyone else took offence...but the comment regarding Richard's computer skills directly reflecting on his ability to build a SC was just absurd to me.....

He sucks at computers because he's always designing and building superchargers! Sounds good to me. He knows anything I say about him is just picking on him.

weird....the post i was referring to in my last post is gone now.......hmmm

Well, frankly I'm worried about Richard's state of mind by now. I mean, he's been wandering through the wastelands of Microsoft's helpline for a week now. That'd screw anyone! ;) :D

I'm still trying some things but I believe it is something simple that I must have done.
It's like this: Honey, I can't get the childproof cap off my pills, go get one of the kids would ya.


So I'm going to take some pictures with my 35mm, run them over to get them printed to disc. Then take the disc to work and mail them to Ajax who will shrink them and post them.
The things I go through for you guys. :rolleyes: It's not easy having grown up before computers. What am I suppossed to do with all the thousands of $$ worth of Nikon 35mm stuff? :confused:

I've decided that a new computer is in the near future. I'm at this moment looking at the Dell catalog.

Richard.. Get a Nikon digital body (if you can afford it).. all your lenses should still work (unless they are esoteric ones). I got a D70 when it first came out... very happy with it.

I'm still trying some things but I believe it is something simple that I must have done.
It's like this: Honey, I can't get the childproof cap off my pills, go get one of the kids would ya.


So I'm going to take some pictures with my 35mm, run them over to get them printed to disc. Then take the disc to work and mail them to Ajax who will shrink them and post them.
The things I go through for you guys. :rolleyes: It's not easy having grown up before computers. What am I suppossed to do with all the thousands of $$ worth of Nikon 35mm stuff? :confused:

I've decided that a new computer is in the near future. I'm at this moment looking at the Dell catalog.

get an alienware.

they are top top notch.

www.alienware.com

yea,
if you are gaming, and dell will do everthing richard is likley to with a computer.

btw richard if you need something to work with while testing drop me a pm and i will send you my shuttle box that i use in my car. it will have something on it that i think would be very usefull to you.

beers

get an alienware.

they are top top notch.

www.alienware.com

DONT get an alienware, there service is TERRIBLE now that they have grown so much so fast, plus they are always a step behind the other computers they compare to. If you would think about getting an alienware, you may as well get a Sager, exact same design (as they are all made by Clevo anyway) but more modern and far superior tech support. Just my $.02 after getting the run around by alienware. And as far as just for gaming, you will be able to get that model from Sager (and others I am sure) with an AMD dualcore processor and a QuadroFX video card so it will be an excellent workstation for CAD and Rendering.

FFS, get a Mac! :rolleyes: :p

I would second the Sager reccomendation.

Richard the shifter came today. Too bad I don't know if the shop or anything else will still exist the next time I have a chance to get it installed. Rita has her eyes set on us. :(

I own a small business and we have 2 Dells running Windows 1Gateway runnin Windows and 2 Mac's. 98% of the problems come on the Windows machines. If your not IT savy, get a mac!

Richard the shifter came today. Too bad I don't know if the shop or anything else will still exist the next time I have a chance to get it installed. Rita has her eyes set on us. :(


Yes, I'm watching the traffic jam of cars leaving your area now. That's onea biga storm. 212 MPH winds now. Damn thing looks about half the size of Texas, and we know how big that is. Gonna be some good surfing if your nuts enough.
Got under 900 milabars last night. :eek:
Oops, it just made a little turn east. That might help you out. Maybe it wants to go to The Big Easy like it's sister.

All you guys with computer advice thank you but we're cluttering up the thread with it and I still get complaints that it is too long. At this point I don't know what I'm going to do about it but I'll let you know. Thanks again for your help. The sun looks about right just now to get those pictures with film. Going to do it.

It looks like we are going to be on the much nicer west side of the eye wall. We only expect to get winds of about 80-85 mph sustained up here. I'm about 70 miles inland. Last night when we thought we were going to be on the east side of the storm, we were expecting to get 110+ mph sustained winds. It's been good news but it's still scary. I went from expecting my roof to blow off and alot of property to be ruined down to just cleaning up a big mess of landscaping debris.

I'm still trying some things but I believe it is something simple that I must have done.
It's like this: Honey, I can't get the childproof cap off my pills, go get one of the kids would ya.


So I'm going to take some pictures with my 35mm, run them over to get them printed to disc. Then take the disc to work and mail them to Ajax who will shrink them and post them.
The things I go through for you guys. :rolleyes: It's not easy having grown up before computers. What am I suppossed to do with all the thousands of $$ worth of Nikon 35mm stuff? :confused:

I've decided that a new computer is in the near future. I'm at this moment looking at the Dell catalog.
Richard,
Here's what you do with all your nikon 35mm stuff... You get one of these:

Richard,
Here's what you do with all your nikon 35mm stuff... You get one of these:

Hehehe - he already had one of them in his shop. I used it to steal all the cranky-old-bugger's trade secrets when was looking for Torque. :p

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hehehe - he already had one of them in his shop. I used it to steal all the cranky-old-bugger's trade secrets when was looking for Torque. :p

Cheers,
Hymee.
LOL. Digital SLR's = teh win.
This one isn't mine, but after the first 10 minutes I used it, I was like.. "I have got to get one of these!"

LOL. Digital SLR's = teh win.
This one isn't mine, but after the first 10 minutes I used it, I was like.. "I have got to get one of these!"

Just picking up my F3 and shooting a few pics felt good to hold a real camera again. Is there any reason to keep shooting film?
There must be something better about it.

Anyway the pictures are in Ajax mail file so it's up to him.
I think we have to wait for him to get home from work.

Just picking up my F3 and shooting a few pics felt good to hold a real camera again. Is there any reason to keep shooting film?
There must be something better about it.

Anyway the pictures are in Ajax mail file so it's up to him.
I think we have to wait for him to get home from work.
Sweet deal. This kind of reminded me of the movie Road Trip. "Could you at least describe the video to us?" :p

Just picking up my F3 and shooting a few pics felt good to hold a real camera again. Is there any reason to keep shooting film?
There must be something better about it.

Anyway the pictures are in Ajax mail file so it's up to him.
I think we have to wait for him to get home from work.
I hope you didnt send them to that old email address..
It's gone you know..
PMing you now.

Here's Richard's Pics!

http://ajax.completelyfreehosting.com/images/9-21-2005-2E.JPG

http://ajax.completelyfreehosting.com/images/9-21-2005-4E.JPG

http://ajax.completelyfreehosting.com/images/9-21-2005-6E.JPG

and might I say, damn that thing is tiny!

i guess i should've resized them a little, haha.. *reinstalls photoshop*

i guess i should've resized them a little, haha.. *reinstalls photoshop*[/QUOTE]


Well I guess. :rolleyes: It's hard to see this way. Besides it really shows how dirty that engine is.

wow. nice work, Richard

looks very good.

keep it up.

beers

Wow, that looks really good. It's such a small thing to be blown up so huge on the photos. Way to go Ajax :rolleyes: :eek: :p Thanks for the updates Richard and thanks for posting the pictures Ajax, you da man.

Wow, that looks really good. It's such a small thing to be blown up so huge on the photos. Way to go Ajax :rolleyes: :eek: :p Thanks for the updates Richard and thanks for posting the pictures Ajax, you da man.
LOL. I'm installing photoshop now. They'll be resized in a few minutes.
Sorry bout that. Went out drinking with some friends.

better? :b

better? :b


Thanks, it is easier to see the way it sits now. :cool:
Myself and Hymee will always forgive you for going drinking with freinds. Include RotaryGod in that too. :rolleyes:

Thanks, it is easier to see the way it sits now. :cool:
Myself and Hymee will always forgive you for going drinking with freinds. Include RotaryGod in that too. :rolleyes:
RG isnt here yet. He's prolly still stuck in traffic on his way from houston but we shall see fred soon enough and i'm sure he'll want to party with us as we're all a bunch of lunatics.

Beer = gud.

You guys stay dry on the outside anyway. :D

Richard, is the inlet on the front top in the photos?

Richard, is the inlet on the front top in the photos?


No, that is the old design. The new design will have a 40 degree side inlet and rear axial outlet. The one you see has the outlet in the front. This doesn't package well in the 8. (Don't even say it Fred)

Since the new one does not exist yet we used the old one for mounting. It doesn't matter since the change comes after the nose piece. The legnth is made up for by adding a stage to this one to make up for the added space the new front volute will take up.

Since I'm designing it I can make the new part the same added legnth as a stage.
That way I can be lazy and not have to make a spacer. :cool:

Now comes the manifold which is going to be fabricated from ali tubing and machined flanges. This is a little bit of work, the kind we don't normally do in house anymore. In order to gear back up for this sort of work we have to build a few fixtures and get a new heli-arc. We don't have enough amps to weld thick ali flanges. :(

I never saw those photos until now. I hope to see the supercharger in person in less than 2 weeks Richard. Remeber it's Sevenstock time. I'll be in LA the morning of Friday the 7th. Bring it out on the 8th.

I never saw those photos until now. I hope to see the supercharger in person in less than 2 weeks Richard. Remeber it's Sevenstock time. I'll be in LA the morning of Friday the 7th. Bring it out on the 8th.

I ment about the front inlet you always said would fit better. Geeezzz you can't even take a left handed complement. ;)

I'll be at sevenstock with a blower to show. And some single stages to view.

I ment about the front inlet you always said would fit better. Geeezzz you can't even take a left handed complement. ;)

I'll be at sevenstock with a blower to show. And some single stages to view.
Fred! Takes lots of pictures please! :D

Lots . . . he means LOTS

damn Richard, that is one small blower. combine that with a air to water IC like pettit has and your kit is still smaller than some twinscrew S/C's :)

how did you find a Renesis engine in a junk yard? I didn't think that was possible yet. What did that cost?

I have one question.. isn't that going to get SUPER hot there? Oil cooled?

damn Richard, that is one small blower...
Talk about weight savings :)

What does it weigh?

damn Richard, that is one small blower. combine that with a air to water IC like pettit has and your kit is still smaller than some twinscrew S/C's :)

how did you find a Renesis engine in a junk yard? I didn't think that was possible yet. What did that cost?
I think he bought his own RX8, I don't remember him finding an engine in a junkyard :confused:

mazmart has engines if you want one

how did you find a Renesis engine in a junk yard? I didn't think that was possible yet.

because there haven't been any rx8s wrecked yet, right? ;)

^^^mazmart is an mazda specific auto salvage. :)

I found the engine local not 10 miles from here. It is a bone yard specializing in high end imports. They had at least three there. Plus one they were puting back together. They had a bunch of WRX's too. Says they get more money for WRX engines then Rx8's.
This one had 7000 mi on it and I got it for $2500 cash.

It wouln't get any hotter there then anyplace else in the engine compartment.
It is oiled for the gearset in the nose. It is cooled by the air going through it.
It's hottest time is after you shut it off, heat soak.

Don't know the final weight yet but around 11lbs. 12 max.

Out of all the blowers, yours has me the most intrigued. The weight savings and small size is a plus in my search. I'll wait for this one - heck it will aleady have a friend in the car - my shifter!

How about cold air intakes? I have the Racing Beat REVi with CIA, so I assume that has to go with your setup?

I like the idea of being able to use the RB and espically its CAI with this blower.

I like the idea of being able to use the RB and espically its CAI with this blower.
Wait, we will be able to use these with Richard's blower? That would be sweet, but I thought he said he was going to do a whole new intake manifold? :confused:

At this point I think we are going to need that area for the MAF. Then we might have to use behind the grill for the aircleaner. But I don't know yet. We will be including a new MAF housing similar to but not the same the RB unit. (Since I make that one for them anyway)

It's just a matter of finding room for stuff. Also the tuned legnth of the whole system must be worked out. In unboosted operation we must keep it so as to run like stock.

Bottom line is keep your RB kit intact so you can sell it. You will not have any trouble finding buyers.

At this point I think we are going to need that area for the MAF. Then we might have to use behind the grill for the aircleaner. But I don't know yet. We will be including a new MAF housing similar to but not the same the RB unit. (Since I make that one for them anyway)

It's just a matter of finding room for stuff. Also the tuned legnth of the whole system must be worked out. In unboosted operation we must keep it so as to run like stock.

Bottom line is keep your RB kit intact so you can sell it. You will not have any trouble finding buyers.
Ah, that's what I thought. Didn't know you made stuff for RB though, that's pretty sweet. Does that mean you're working with RB to make anything else? :eek:

Ah, that's what I thought. Didn't know you made stuff for RB though, that's pretty sweet. Does that mean you're working with RB to make anything else? :eek:


Nope, we just do some production machining for them. They send us plans for bid.
They send us the raw castings. We build the tooling, make the programs, machine 'em and ship them back.

We are whores, want something made? Just send a plan and money.

Nope, we just do some production machining for them. They send us plans for bid.
They send us the raw castings. We build the tooling, make the programs, machine 'em and ship them back.

We are whores, want something made? Just send a plan and money.
Interesting, very interesting. Since your site doesn't look like it gets updated too often is it possible for you to let us know anything about pricing as well as different options for the kit? If you'd like to withold that information for now, I respect that, but inquiring minds want to know :p

Richard why can't you do a self contained oil system such as with the Eaton blowers or the Paxton units? Why couldn't you just use a nice industrial jet turbine oil (which would be appropriate btw!!!). I wouldn't think you'd need a whole lot. Even a 757's engines have a self contained oil system in each engine and they only run a total of 11 quarts per huge engine!!! If you could do this, it would really ease installation not to mention the fact that we wouldn't have that crappy hot engine oil running through it. I know it shouldn't really affect the air temps due to where the oil is flowing but it still doesn't sound like fun having to tap into an oil source and run a return line.

The fact that it is small is the problem. There isn't anyway to get an oil pump in it. I looked at trying to get a spinning bearing to pump oil. The shaft is moving so fast that putting an eccentric on it is out of the question. An external electric pump adds componants.

Be sure I don't want to run hoses and have to tap the pan. The tap will be easy because we are going to supply an oil filter sandwich. For the pan I'm not happy with tapping the stock one and may cast a new one. That much more money but it will be an option. It can't hurt to add a little oil to the sump and even some added cooling by putting some fins in the airstream. May as well as long as I'm casting it. Might even have some sales to NA guys who run on the track and can use better oil control. More oil and trap doors to keep it at the pick up. We do that all the time with piston engines. In fact I haven't built an engine without a custom pan in 25 years or more.

I'll be listning to any options anyone might have on this.

BTW we've got our own "storm" here in Chatsworth ours in the form of FIRE. :(
Sat and watched it yesterday going right through the hills not more then three miles from here. Today it's heading for the canyon where I have all my stuff stored in a semi trailer sitting at a horse ranch.
Which is also the exact area where we had our little drive two weeks ago. With another set for Sunday I don't know if it will come off.

Our engine already has an auxillary oil pump to meter oil from the oil pan into the engine. Could you use the following adaptor to run 2-cycle oil from a reservoir through the blower then into the engine?

Subject: Metering Pump Adapter for Renesis

Hi,

yes I have, and it is in stock. The price is $ 94.00, including shipping in the US.

Richard Sohn
8029 HWY 1087
DeFuniak Springs, FL 32433
unicorn@gdsys.net

The oil metering pump does not have nearly enough flow to be used for the supercharger.

Richard,

Hope all your stuff is OK after the fires. Since I have visited, I can sort of imagine what you describe.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I know you've been over boost levels and whatnot, I think you said something like 7 or 8 psi is what you are shooting for. Will you be tuning for higher boost applications? I know you'd like to keep things locked because you don't want people messing with things and blaming you, but will your supercharger compete with some of the recent FI applications?(PTP made 346 horsepower/ 13.2 PSI IIRC) Now on 8 PSI I don't think that is possible, but what do I know? Thanks Richard :)

I know you've been over boost levels and whatnot, I think you said something like 7 or 8 psi is what you are shooting for. Will you be tuning for higher boost applications? I know you'd like to keep things locked because you don't want people messing with things and blaming you, but will your supercharger compete with some of the recent FI applications?(PTP made 346 horsepower/ 13.2 PSI IIRC) Now on 8 PSI I don't think that is possible, but what do I know? Thanks Richard :)

We are not to sure of the problems that will come with those sort of boost levels. We don't know what had to be done just to get there.
Lets say I gave you that much boost, are you going to complain about needing $10.00 a gallon gasoline? Will I get a ration of shit from you when you need an overhaul at 30,000 mi? Or less.
There is no free lunch. Not here or over there.
Let's just get this out my way and then if you don't like it we can give you more. I'll wait until we see how much the trade off is.
IMO a 7-8 psi will be reasonable for a great street car. The proff is in the driving experiance. Not just boost gauge or dyno read outs. :)

We are not to sure of the problems that will come with those sort of boost levels. We don't know what had to be done just to get there.
Lets say I gave you that much boost, are you going to complain about needing $10.00 a gallon gasoline? Will I get a ration of shit from you when you need an overhaul at 30,000 mi? Or less.
There is no free lunch. Not here or over there.
Let's just get this out my way and then if you don't like it we can give you more. I'll wait until we see how much the trade off is.
IMO a 7-8 psi will be reasonable for a great street car. The proff is in the driving experiance. Not just boost gauge or dyno read outs. :)
I agree, I think it will be a great street car, but I know some people, like me, might be looking for a little more. Of course we need to wait and see what happens at these boost levels, I was just inquiring about whether there was a potential for you to do something like this. I also am not a whore to the dynos, I just use them as a base, not the be all end all. It's nice to see numbers, because for me, aside from driving, are all I can comprehend when stuff gets so intense like this :p I am waiting patiently to see what you have to offer, and as of now yours is still my top choice :)

Just remember with axial flow I can have all the pressure I want. Unlike other compressors these are staged and adding stages compounds the Pr.
In this case by about 1.11-1.12. So, how much pressure do you want?
Modern gas turbines run around 200psi plus. The B-1 bomber has almost 300!!

When you need more volume you just make the blades longer.
This of course is oversimplification. Not that ez.

You need a "build your own" type of kit. Choose the parts you want from tha available selection around and put it together like a puzzle. I know that's an over simplication and also not easy for someone to assemble either but you get the idea.

i am going to ask the obvious,

my guess is you can change pulley size (within reason) to increase flow.

what is the range of efficieny of the blower????

beers

You need a "build your own" type of kit. Choose the parts you want from tha available selection around and put it together like a puzzle. I know that's an over simplication and also not easy for someone to assemble either but you get the idea.



That's a joke, right?
Or are you in the habit of going up in a lot of planes where the pilot built the engine in his garage at home? :rolleyes:

Yes, there will be some range in the speed for further airflow.

Remember you're addressing the person that would probably fly in such a vehicle!!!

I didn't literally mean a build it yourself unit if that's what you meant.

i live in florida so over 300 horses is suicide with this rain. For a street car that's all you need or you 'll be begging to hit trees with sonny

Hey Richard, out of curiosity, what happens when you spin the supercharger in the opposite direction? How much different is the flow I guess is my question.

You go back in time I bet

Hey Richard, out of curiosity, what happens when you spin the supercharger in the opposite direction? How much different is the flow I guess is my question.
The real question is does it lower pressure with airflow in reverse through it?

The real question is does it lower pressure with airflow in reverse through it?
I dunno, but I find it excellent for making frozen margaritas!

It then becomes a true turbine. Not an efficient one though. You can put the energy into the air and have the work come out as shaft power. This way you get the air moving off the blades and taking the energy with it. To truly use this type of energy correctly requires a different blade design. Using the geometry of either for the other results in loss of efficiency.

So if the engine were to backfire the compressor will reverse direction. The energy put into it will be used to make the belt slip. It's that simple. :)

i live in florida so over 300 horses is suicide with this rain. For a street car that's all you need or you 'll be begging to hit trees with sonny


Weird. I drove my 400hp Eclipse through Florida rain and I never felt this desire. :p

I found it helps to not push the throttle all the way down.

I dunno, but I find it excellent for making frozen margaritas!


Funny story: One time I was in the the garage at the Indy 500 and ran into the late great Smokey Yunick, I had my little 5 inch (the new one is 4.4) unit with me and handed it to him. He looked at it for awhile, we talked back and forth, then he turned to his wife and said "Honey you want me to buy this for you, it will make a hell of a garbage disposal." :)

smokey grabbed your five inch unit and asked his wife if she wanted it? :D:D:D

smokey was one of the good ones http://www.smokeyyunick.com/

[QUOTE=zoom44]smokey grabbed your five inch unit and asked his wife if she wanted it? :D:D:D

But he knew he'd have to pay for it. :D

hahahahahahaa

LOL.... dirty old men... :rolleyes: :D

I am looking at water/alcohol kits.


Here is one of the kits I was looking at http://www.alkycontrol.com/page1.htm however I would use a larger reservoir to reduce fill up frequency.

Richard any thought on using something like this post AFSC to further increase the efficiency (lower intake temp/higher octane due to the alcohol) of the AFCS system??

The injection system above can be set to linearly increase the alcohol injection based on boost rise.
And I believe it can be set to come on at a predetermined set boost pressure. Say 5psi that way you can reserve the alcohol for the high boost times.

It would most likely be best to design the AFSC to work with out the injection kit (for fail safe reasons/you run out of water/alcohol mixture) and then add in the water injection kit to see how much additional power can be extracted due to the cooling of the intake charge and the increase of the octane rating.

Comments/ ideas????

Mark

A much better thing to do rather than get into bandaid systems like those is to just use an intercooler and then tune it properly. Yes those can work but unless you are running at a track, you don't have need for one.

And the way it's set up, fuel atomization through the blades from the extra injector already provides significant charge cooling, if I'm not mistaken. I didn't think an intercooler was even necessary with this SC (with the "out of the box" airflow increase).

What you suggest is a waste of money and you'll make less power.
If the engine is tuned to run on pump gas with X boost and does not get into detonation why add the coolant? It at that point lowers the heat discharge and you get less expansion. Less push on the rotor.

The only time you get anything out of water/alki injection is when you have abnormal combustion/detonation. It will make more power not detonating then detonating. Always remember that this is a heat driven engine, why put the fire out? :confused:

Ricardo had good results with the water/alki injection but there were very special conditions. Mainly called "War emergency power". This is when the pilot pushes the throttle past the stop breaking the safety wire and going into high blower under conditions not ment for it. Such a time is at a lower altitude then he should be but winds up in a dog fight. You may as well kill the engine then get killed.
So at this point because they had so much pressure the coolant proved helpfull. In fact it worked just like richining it up. Only didn't use all the fuel which can't be replaced until he is on the ground.

Can you get more power with this type set up? Yes. The key word here is can YOU get it. You'd be playing with excess pressure and very dangerous area of tune. If you accept that in order to find the right combination of things you will eat up a few engines. This is acceptable in racing and war but not for the hobby car guy. :(

If you have a few engines in the trailer and a crew that can change them in an hour or two then go for it. Every racer has that sort of attatude or he can't win. This is one of the things that keeps the little guy little. It takes amazing resorces to get more then the other guy. I once melted down two engines in one day on the dyno with the same stupid mistake. That's how you get more then the other guy. :eek:

There is no doubt in my mind that when I ship these someone out there will do better then I have with the setup. But he will have had a lot of experiance and may have blown up before he got there. The ones I want to avoid are the ones who just know they are better at it and blow up their engines and it is my fault. I have story to tell of this in the past.

Richard, what does your Axial Flow SC sound like?

Richard, what does your Axial Flow SC sound like?



Been to the airport lately. However with part throttle and aircleaner intact you cannot hear it at all. The further the throttle is opened the more SC sound comes out. Never will you get the whine of a roots though. If your buying a blower for the noise everyone can hear so they know you have one then this isn't it. :cool:

Nope - I want it quiet :)

but audible when running fast tho ?

Audible to you maybe but only audible to those who can keep up long enough to hear it!

Hehehe.

I've been fortunate enough to hear it. Like a Jet! I even felt it's PSI's and flow rate first "hand". I think it was my right hand, but I can't be sure :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hehehe.

I've been fortunate enough to hear it. Like a Jet! I even felt it's PSI's and flow rate first "hand". I think it was my right hand, but I can't be sure :)

Cheers,
Hymee. I still want one of the throw away prototypes for use as a blender.. i think it'd make a great smoothie!

Hell.. we could get Richard to do one of those crazy infomercials.. Richard Paul's 4 stage axial flow superblender and food processor!

I mean.. wow.. brilliant!

Hell.. we could get Richard to do one of those crazy infomercials.. Richard Paul's 4 stage axial flow superblender and food processor!

How many times has this happened to you? You have a bass, and you're trying to find an exciting new way to prepare it for the dinner table. You could scale the bass, remove the bass' tail, head and bones, and serve the fish as you would any other fish dinner. But why bother, now that you can use Rovco's amazing new kitchen tool, the Super Bass-o-Matic '76. Yes, fish-eaters, the days of troublesome scaling, cutting and gutting are over, because Super Bass-o-Matic '76 is the tool that lets you use the bass with no fish waste, and without scaling, cutting or gutting.

Here's how it works: Catch a bass, remove the hook, and drop the bass - that's the whole bass - into the Super Bass-o-Matic '76. Yes, it's that simple!Super Bass-o-Matic '76 (http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75qbassamatic.phtml)

wow,
high school flash back. very nicely done..

dont for get the bat o matic.

beers
http://www.rx8club.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1075862#
Big Grin





How many times has this happened to you? You have a bass, and you're trying to find an exciting new way to prepare it for the dinner table. You could scale the bass, remove the bass' tail, head and bones, and serve the fish as you would any other fish dinner. But why bother, now that you can use Rovco's amazing new kitchen tool, the Super Bass-o-Matic '76. Yes, fish-eaters, the days of troublesome scaling, cutting and gutting are over, because Super Bass-o-Matic '76 is the tool that lets you use the bass with no fish waste, and without scaling, cutting or gutting.

Here's how it works: Catch a bass, remove the hook, and drop the bass - that's the whole bass - into the Super Bass-o-Matic '76. Yes, it's that simple!Super Bass-o-Matic '76 (http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75qbassamatic.phtml)

Let's not date me, upgrade it the '05 model.
I went to see that guy what's his name who smashes the stuff with a big hammer. The first five rows get free rain coats. 'cause they get wet and worse. :eek:
I could give him one for promotion.
I think his best one was the smash-o-matic. But he had all sorts of toys.
Gallager or something like that.
No, I did not sit in the front rows. :p

gallager is correct as is the sleg o matic.

boy has this thread turned un tech like. nice change!!!

now back to work. hope it is going well rp.

beers

Ahhh, 166 pages and counting. Is there a semi-brief summary posted in this tome of wisdom with any kind of progress report or update? How far along to, or is it now with a working prototype? Any light at the end of the tunnel as far as shipping product? And if it has,or will metamophosize into a product, what pray tell might it's progeny look like, or produce power wise?

Just wondering in Colorado. I've done about as much as I can with brakes and suspension, now..... what I really am starting to need is a better power to weight ratio and I'd rather not gut the car or have to put my name on a P-car Cayman wait list just yet.

The path is the goal.

or how did Robert Louis Stevenson put it:
''For my part, I don't travel to go anywhere, but to go. I travel for travel's sake''.

;)

hehe i sat front row for gallagher once- he even picked on me:)

I only watched gallagher on TV :(

Ahhh, 166 pages and counting. Is there a semi-brief summary posted in this tome of wisdom with any kind of progress report or update? How far along to, or is it now with a working prototype? Any light at the end of the tunnel as far as shipping product? And if it has,or will metamophosize into a product, what pray tell might it's progeny look like, or produce power wise?

bump...I've been following this thread for a while, but lost track of it. I don't have much time to read at work :(

Anyone mind doin a brief summary?

Brief summary...
1. some talk of supercharger.
2. Discussion of WWII Convoys.
3. some more supercharger stuff
4. Dog gets lost
5. Hymee carries out industrial espionage.
6, Some more supercharger stuff.
7. RP PC blows up.... (see 5?)
8. Infomercials discussion (who is gallagher?)
9. Possibly some more supercharger stuff?

I hope this helps.

it helps to add comic releif to my day, but i was looking more for:

-approx. boost psi
-projected rwhp gains
-ecu piggy back, full system, or use stock
-cost
-release date
etc.

well there are no answers to any of your questions im afraid.....

im ok with that, these things take time....

thanks for saving me the time of reading 165 forum pages for nothing!

we'll pry some numbers out of richard this weekend- you know he has some in his head somewhere.

Sodium Pentothal anyone?

and pictures.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=29778&page=161&pp=15

beers



bump...I've been following this thread for a while, but lost track of it. I don't have much time to read at work :(

Anyone mind doin a brief summary?

It's real. It's real! I've seen it!

It's real. It's real! I've seen it!And where are the pictures ? :D

Here are the pictures :)

Modeled by Dazy:

Here are the pictures :) Cool ! http://yelims5.free.fr/TopOuNul/Applaudissements03.gif
The last one really looks like a mixer... :D

What's the B10 Bearing Life?

Modeled by Dazy:

thats a nice french manacure....

Are you sure this isn't a "Salad Maker"...?
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=60654 width=400

Tiny hun!

I spent several hours at Seven Stock 8 just looking for a Yellow 8 with the hood up so that I could see the s/c. I reconginize the table area so I know RP was there. I sure wanted to see his creation. I must have missed the post where he was going to be incognito during the event. Oh well I'm sure my questions would have been redundent.

Richard, what are the most important items to monitor with your SC through gauge readouts?

^^ Thinking about gauge pods are we :D :D

Richard, what are the most important items to monitor with your SC through gauge readouts?
The radar detector!

Richard, what are the most important items to monitor with your SC through gauge readouts?


As with any ho po installation the A/F is the most important thing to monitor.
The exhaust temp is not as important with a SC as with a turbo. I use one in the development process but it's just for that. If your a real geek about it then intake man pressure and temp are nice things to tune with. An aircraft gauge that has two needles for outside temp and man temp is fun.

But really when everything is set up you don't need anything, it should be a forgotten accesory. Only if your in constant development do you need tools like this.

In all a MAP gauge is all you need. Manifold absolut pressure along with the A/F is more then enough. If your trying to find a problem temporary gauges can be used.

BTW, when I drove FanMans car I noticed that the pillar gauges were useless unless you made a specific movement to look at them. It requires refocusing of the eyes to read them. This is of no use in high speed driving.

If you want it for style then go ahead and put in a full aircraft cockpit. Just remember to look up once in awhile.

Thanks - I have the AFR and will add MAP. They will be mounted in the ashtray and only used during tuning and geek meets :)

8 days since a post. Almost on the second page! Blasphemy!

I think my curiosity was quenched a little at SS8 when I got to hold it and spin it. but 8 days has been too much.. Need a fix in the form of some news or at least a little friendly banter :D