Hello,

What would you choose a rx8 or a is300 if you were in a market for a automatic tranmission, luxury and the sporty look, and power and it has to be smooth and reliable. I heard that the RX8 is only a 1.3 liter and when you compare to the is300 is a 3.0 liter. So the lexus should be quicker right? Thanks for your help

You need to do some homework :)

The RX-8 is a rotary engine, the Lexus is a piston engine. The RX-8 should be faster, handle better, and be just as reliable.

Prices I believe, are also similar. I'd give you a whole spiel but I got class :)

Sorry if I wasnt clear. But I was comparing the RX8 automatic version which has 210hp with the is300 automatic.

That depends on what kind of car you want. As a matter of fact, I was just a my Lexus dealer yesterday looking at their stock of IS300s.

The question you need to ask yourself is, "Do you want a sports car that can seat four, or do you want a car that pretends to be sporty?" The RX-8 can outgun and out perform the IS is every aspect (Speaking of the 250 hp/6spd. of course, the lesser RX isn't much of a thought to me.) The Lexus was designed to get younger buyers into the granddaddy showrooms of Lexus, by putting it up against the BMW 3 series, Audi's A4, etc., Lexus officials told us that soooo many times. As I looked at the IS300, I kept saying to myself that I want a car that is origional, the IS isn't. To me it's still a little kid trying to compete with a bunch of men. It has still missed it's mark on BMW and Audi. But......the RX8 has has hit the Bimmer and Audi square in the A#@. Don't get me wrong I love the Bimmer 3 series, just that where I live, they are more common than rain water. But even though, I would take one of them over a Lexus IS. The Lexus it too trendy for my tastes, it's design is liveable, but not loveable, the interior gauges are a joke. I'll never forget talking to a Lexus representative when the car was first introduced and he said, " The IS300's gauges are race-inspired." C'mon you tell me what kind of racing cars gauges look like that. They were inspired from my Guess chronograph.

The RX8 is a well thought out and packaged vehicle. It had to be, or Mazda would sink into oblivion if it failed. When I first learned of the RX coming back, I was excited, but when I learned that it would have four doors, I was pissed, but as the car evolved I understood Mazda's thinking. It's a new way of looking at what a sports car is or what we think it should be. The Lexus is an OK car, considering it's first time out. I think when it's redesigned for 2004/05, Lexus would have made the car grown up. After all, you have to be original and not be so much of a copy cat. Mazda has too much talent to copy anyone.

If your going to get an automatic -- just get a Civic or Mazda 6 :(

This is an interesting question. If you asked me to compare a manual RX-8 against any kind of IS300 there is no question that the RX-8 is way better, but the auto RX-8 might make a valid comparison to an auto IS300 (same price as well - can get IS300 at invoice similar to RX-8 at MSRP).

I have an auto IS300 and it's a good car - not a single problem in 42k miles, fast enough, great steering feel and reasonably comfortable. I would expect the RX-8 auto to be about as quick in straight line acceleration (0-60 in 7.3 or so) and faster around a track (lighter and better balanced). To me the RX-8 has much better styling (and that's saying something as I prefer the IS300 inside and out to a BMW), more interior space for 4 adults, and an incredibly smooth high-revving engine (the rotary should be even better than my I-6).

The only worries I have about the RX-8 is the quality of materials (I am not one of the lucky ones that have touched the inside of an RX-8 yet) and the reliability (I am used to perfection) and Mazda service (Lexus has - and charges for - exceptional service).

I was very close to getting an Intensa Blue Pearl IS300 2002 5 Speed, but in Canada, you have to get the fully loaded model (Dealers are reluctant to order a basic IS300 with cloth seats). My budget was around the 37,000-40,000 range, and for a top model IS300 I would be looking at around 48,000. Dont get me wrong, its a very nice car and the inline-6 5 speed shifting rocks, but bang for the buck wise I gotta go with the RX-8. Im not really a big fan of luxury add ons, just performance!

first of all you should get a 6 speed manual rx8, but its your choice man. I would go for the rx8, that car is so hot!

ive been driving a IS for the last year and it is a grrreat car. It is really fun and the performance is great too. Its is my brohters car so I have to get a new car(Rx 8 or Z). All I have to say is if i had a IS already i wouldnt buy a rx 8. But if I had to choose for the first time i would probably get a 8

The IS is a pretty good car... my brother has one and it rides very well and handles good... it might not compare to the 330i, but for considerably less, the IS holds its own... i really love the rx8, so i am biased and would say that the auto 8 would outperform the IS... the one drawback to the IS is that it already looks dated and if you were on the fence for the IS or the 8, wait a year or 2 for the new one... i fyou need a car this year, i would take the 8 hands down.

If you're looking for an automatic, you should get the Lexus. No question.

I agree that Lexus makes a superb 5-speed auto (perfect kick-downs, smooth changes when you want to relax). Note the e-shift (steering wheel butons) is a gimmick that most people won't use after the novelty wears off (i.e. after 1-3 months). I forgot to mention the killer standard sound system in the IS300 as a major plus.

I don't know how good the 4-speed in the RX-8 will be, and personally I would test-drive the manual even if I wanted an auto, just to see what a near-perfect manual transmission felt like. Perhaps it will change your mind...

Seems to me like the Mazda6 is a better comparison car to the IS300 than the RX-8.

The engines are very similar, the 6 has slightly more power and slightly better gas mileage. The 6 is a little bigger, but looking at cars.com, they seem to be very comparable. Except, of course, a fully loaded Mazda6 costs $5K less than the base IS300.

If I drove an automatic, I would definitely choose the Mazda6 over the RX-8.

Two words ---- Powerhouse Racing. I know that you said nothing about the tunability of either of these two cars, so this may mean absolutely nothing to you, but the IS can be built like crazy. It makes sense considering the DNA it shares with the last gen Supra. I know nothing about what the potential of the 8 will be, but there are some CRAZY IS's running around.....

The only worries I have about the RX-8 is the quality of materials (I am not one of the lucky ones that have touched the inside of an RX-8 yet)
No one has. They haven't been produced yet.

We have to remember to take articles from C&D , Automobile, etc. for what they're worth. One of my biggest concerns is the interior materials (I ordered cloth seats). We have no idea what they will be like. That's why it is so important to have a refundable deposit.

Originally posted by jimbotomy
Seems to me like the Mazda6 is a better comparison car to the IS300 than the RX-8.

The engines are very similar, the 6 has slightly more power and slightly better gas mileage. The 6 is a little bigger, but looking at cars.com, they seem to be very comparable. Except, of course, a fully loaded Mazda6 costs $5K less than the base IS300.

If I drove an automatic, I would definitely choose the Mazda6 over the RX-8. The Mazda6 is FWD and the IS300 is RWD. That's enough difference to make the RX-8/IS300 comparison valid. Also the IS300 is now selling at invoice, not MSRP.

Neither!

If you are looking for automatic, then the RX-8 isn't for you. (Look at the torque figure and imagine pairing that up with an automatic tranny) The IS300 is a nice car but it's time is over and done with. I would recommend an Accord sedan/coupe over the IS300 at this point unless you are in love with the IS300 style.

FWD vs RWD?

I don't care if the car does 0-60 in half an hour I wouldn't go back to a FWD car over a RWD car.

As per the original question.. I'd take the Lexus auto over the RX-8 auto. Just my $.02. I don't know why in the world anybody would take an Accord over either though.

Torque is not necessary to have fun. The Miata is a perfect example.

This guy is thinking about getting an AUTOMATIC RX-8, I seriously doubt FWD/RWD would make too much difference in THIS case.

Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
This guy is thinking about getting an AUTOMATIC RX-8, I seriously doubt FWD/RWD would make too much difference in THIS case.
Yes, it would.

Most people that are purchasing the Mazda RX-8, Miata, Protege, do so to get maximum 'smile per mile.' For some people the issue of power in a straight line arises, but this discounts the fact the Miata has been for the last 7 or 8 years, RATED the 'most fun car to drive' by more than a few big publications.

Power does not equal fun, at least not to a lot of people (and moreso percentage wise on a Mazda forum hehe). RWD driving dynamics and FWD driving dynamics are hugely different and as a result you'll definately get more 'smile per mile' with a RWD than FWD car.

Just because a car is automatic, and thus slower, doesn't mean it will be less fun. Being that you own a G35 I don't think you know where the Mazda community's love lies :) But stick around, you'll see... *wink*

I understand what you are saying regarding FWD and RWD, but I still think someone who wants an automatic RX-8 probably won't benefit from the RWD nature of the car. A high peaking engine like the renesis should be coupled with manual tranny or an very efficient CVT. Doesn't 'fun to drive' usually hints 'manual transmission'? I can see an auto on a 350Z because of the horrific torque, but RX8? I'd definitly go with manual~

I have a hard time answering this question for one ear piercing reason:

1. HE WANTS AN AUTOMATIC!!!


I personally think he shouldn't get either of the cars disccussed. I would have to agree with SkylineManiac on this one.

The very first time I sat in an IS300 (months before it was released in June 2000) was at a Lexus driving event. There were two autocross tracks - one where you got to ride shotgun with professional drivers, and the other where you could drive yourself (and check out competing cars - BMW 328i auto and A4 2.8 quattro auto)

My driver was incredible, and a real racing driver (off to compete in Malaysia the following week). Within 10 secs I realized I would never own another FWD car again - the things he made it do (with an automatic - all IS300s were autos in the first year) put a HUGE smile on my face. The best FWD cars I had owned up to that point (Prelude and A4, both manuals) were nothing in fun factor terms.

I went with that same driver 4 more times that day (queued for 30 mins each time) and did about 15 laps myself in the IS and BMW 328 and Audi A4 trying to emulate what he could do (maybe got to 5% according to my wife who rode with me on my last attempt). Other events I attended (Edmunds, BMW, Cadillac, Mercedes etc) also demonstrated that any RWD car is a lot more fun than a FWD on a track whether its auto or not.

Just writing this reminds me of how much fun I had with the Lexus the first two years - sadly I've hit the mileage limit on the lease so its been sitting at home for my wife to use for short trips during the last 9 months. The steering is pin-sharp and perfectly weighted, the brakes are fantastic, it's easy to slide the back when you turn traction off, the car is perfectly sized (but a little heavy), the interior quality is very good (get the fake suede ecsaine seats for grip, not the full leather) and the equipment levels are very good. Reliability and service will never be a question. Leases start at $399 a month for 36 months/36k miles most of the time. The only downsides are poor fuel economy (around 20mpg), the dash is not to everyones taste (I love it) and how common they are becoming in certain areas (about 70,000 in the USA so far, but RX will eventually catch up if it sells 30,000 per year as intended).

What I am saying is get the IS300 auto (a great 5-speed auto) instead of the RX-8 auto (at best a passable 4-speed auto from what I've read), or consider the RX-8 manual to top them both. And on a personal note, when I get my RX-8 I will definitely take up autocrossing (wife has given approval) - just hope I am not too old to learn how to drive 'properly'.

Originally posted by 1.3 liter
That depends on what kind of car you want. As a matter of fact, I was just a my Lexus dealer yesterday looking at their stock of IS300s.

The question you need to ask yourself is, "Do you want a sports car that can seat four, or do you want a car that pretends to be sporty?" The RX-8 can outgun and out perform the IS is every aspect (Speaking of the 250 hp/6spd. of course, the lesser RX isn't much of a thought to me.) The Lexus was designed to get younger buyers into the granddaddy showrooms of Lexus, by putting it up against the BMW 3 series, Audi's A4, etc., Lexus officials told us that soooo many times. As I looked at the IS300, I kept saying to myself that I want a car that is origional, the IS isn't. To me it's still a little kid trying to compete with a bunch of men. It has still missed it's mark on BMW and Audi. But......the RX8 has has hit the Bimmer and Audi square in the A#@. Don't get me wrong I love the Bimmer 3 series, just that where I live, they are more common than rain water. But even though, I would take one of them over a Lexus IS. The Lexus it too trendy for my tastes, it's design is liveable, but not loveable, the interior gauges are a joke. I'll never forget talking to a Lexus representative when the car was first introduced and he said, " The IS300's gauges are race-inspired." C'mon you tell me what kind of racing cars gauges look like that. They were inspired from my Guess chronograph.

The RX8 is a well thought out and packaged vehicle. It had to be, or Mazda would sink into oblivion if it failed. When I first learned of the RX coming back, I was excited, but when I learned that it would have four doors, I was pissed, but as the car evolved I understood Mazda's thinking. It's a new way of looking at what a sports car is or what we think it should be. The Lexus is an OK car, considering it's first time out. I think when it's redesigned for 2004/05, Lexus would have made the car grown up. After all, you have to be original and not be so much of a copy cat. Mazda has too much talent to copy anyone.


Im new to this site and i just want to say this kid has no idea what he's talking about. i work for a mazda dealership, i drove the rx-8 long before you people even spotted one. the things that i can say about the rx-8 is that they are a great car. the automatic is slow. really slow. the power band takes for ever to kick in. long than the manual takes. yes i know that both version of the rx-8 suck of the line because of no power band. but anways moving on, i have to say i was looking for a new car and i stumbbled accross a deal i couldnt pass up. a lexus is300, i paid half of what you guys paid for yours. not only that this car has the toyota supra motor in it. and it doesnt have half the lag the rx-8 do. im not saying the car will beat it all around considering the rx-8 have wider tires. but i do know the lexus will beat it. without a doubt, going straight at least. but a simple rim and tire upgrade. it will beat the rx-8. i understand the the rx-8 will have good potential in the future with the speed version coming out and all the aftermarket companies making stuff for them. but remember that the is300 has the supra motor. its has more potential for after market.

to top this all off. i get way more girls checking me out in my car then i ever had while doing my pdi test drives. but this might not matter to you guys because im 20 years old.

Again this is my own opinion you do not have to take this to the heart. im saying my side because i know both cars very well, since i work on mazda myself and my father is a toyota master technician.

wow, big deal if it has a N/A supra engine made in the 90s or watever.. didnt the old supra engine make at least 240? the IS only puts out 215, weighs more than the rx8, and is supposed to beat the rx in the straight line? well, dont want to flame this "kid" too much, but hardly doubt he works for a mazda dealership with a troll posting like this..

Until you get a turbo kit, you own a nice sedan that is sporty (not fast) that will never outhandle a RX-8 no matter how wide your tires are. It's a nice car, but nothing to brag about like you seem to, it's pretty sad when you think having a detuned NA supra engine means something. Even more sad when you have to bump a 9month old thread from before the RX-8 was even released to do so...

stupid n00b bumping 6 month old thread... tsk tsk tsk...

oh im so sorry that the cool kids are in town, i know my cars faster because i know the facts of it, i know my car has way more torque than the rx-8, and thats where the real power is bud, thats is what makes your car pull, not the hp of it. so yeah i may have detuned supra motor, but does that mean a chip wont bring it back up there? as far as im concerned you people dont know sh*t about the car your driving you just like to tell yourselves that.

And i dont give a f*ck how old a thread is. your just jealus because you own a piece of sh*t

look at this flaming troll.. did people mess with you in HS? no one said the IS 300 was a bad car, but an IS that is not modified will not beat the rx on the track, or even in straight line.. if you can get 30 hp out of the chip, then it will be pretty close... but if you read any comparos with the 8 and the IS, it wont be that close... IS is a very nice car, but performance wise not like an 8

test drive a is300 then you will understand, i drive both cars everyday, im not going by any people that beleive everything they read is true

I traded in my IS300. Had it for 2 years. I liked it. Then came along the RX-8. It blew the IS away; in every category.

Originally posted by DoWnAqT@aol.com
And i dont give a f*ck how old a thread is. your just jealus because you own a piece of sh*t
Show of hands - anyone think this is a troll? :D

my older brother has a 5 speed, 2003 yellow IS 300.. no modifications... my other bro has a 330 Ci... in that comparisson, the IS doesnt even cut it... i am very very familiar with the IS... have only driven the 8 a couple times, and those few times, the 8 blew the doors off the IS..

Originally posted by DoWnAqT@aol.com
i know my cars faster because i know the facts of it, i know my car has way more torque than the rx-8, and thats where the real power is bud, thats is what makes your car pull, not the hp of it
You should learn a bit about torque and horsepower before making a statement like this, if torque was all that mattered then a big diesel would be the motor of choice for every sports car with several hundred ft. pds. of torque.

The IS300 is a nice car but it won't compare to an RX-8 in any performance category without some work. period.

Downaqt@aol.com <oh im so sorry that the cool kids are in town, i know my cars faster because i know the facts of it, i know my car has way more torque than the rx-8, and thats where the real power is bud, thats is what makes your car pull, not the hp of it. so yeah i may have detuned supra motor, but does that mean a chip wont bring it back up there? as far as im concerned you people dont know sh*t about the car your driving you just like to tell yourselves that.

And i dont give a f*ck how old a thread is. your just jealus because you own a piece of sh*t>


YAWN, lmao

first of all, my car is in the IS300 class as far as power.. And I am not even going to talk about the RX-8, first of all my SVT contour has easily..and still does outperform the LEXUSis300, it has, always will. By my top end. Im gone. its simple, there is no argument, and that was before the Vortec. Now my car sits around 310 hp, and its light agile and without my blizzaks..a monster on the road. So this kid has no idea what hes talking about. my stock 2.5 L SVT duratec whipped the $%$# out of the is300..but hey? i guess its the driver right? LMFAO get outta here troll

oh yah, and another thing. I think the 2003 Cobra needs to be pulled out of storage. ...... lets see where your straight line is now. And thats only to make ur SUPRA wannabee engine feel good. lmao. So stop talking like your the man, big pimp daddy, get outta here troll. Go back under the bridge where u came from. And those women that see your car? Are actually talking about how slow it is for the price you paid.

get both, i have one of each and love each one for different qualitys. Glad i dont have to choose between the two.

my IS300 is auto ( going to be replaced with IS430 when comes out, V8 power oooooooooo )

my RX8 is manuel.

all i have to say is hp is multlication of torque you dumbasses, the reason we dont use diesals for sports cars is because they dont have the high revs, but we do have trucks with durmax turbos that run 10s in the qtr? pretty sad to say that will beat the shit out of all of or cars.

as for the buddy that thinks his cobra will beat the shit out of lexus, well lets hope it does comsidering that you have a v8, and you want to race straight line, i have just the car that would make your look like a fucking piece of shit ford it is. my 70 camaro would eat the fucker up. all i have to say im certified GM Techncian so yeah i know my shit and dont live under fucking bridge you dumb shit. if you were a real man you would buy something better than a fucking contour. or a mustang. or is it the mustang is put in storage because your to welfare to afford the car?

Another thing is the rx-8 is a sweet car, im not putting the car down, alot of people where i dont live dont like it becuase its not a practicle car to drive everyday and the suck balls in the snow. i prefer the is300 over that car because its power band is right there and you can drive it as fast as the rx-8, not to mention look like a pimp in front of the ladys, i also know that me in a countour wouldnt get shit for respect around here. or a mustang cobra. Keep telling yrouself that your the man, but when you run into my cars, be prepaired to look like a dumbass with pieces of shit cars.

DoWnAqT@aol.com

You are making us (ex) IS300 owners look bad. You are new to the forum, so don't automatically assume you know more than everyone else here - there are some very bright or knowledgeable people here when it comes to discussing engines and performance. They could write books on torque and HP and gearing and tire behaviour etc...

The IS300 is a great car and a lot of fun, but a lot of cars under $30k are faster than it in a straight line - including RSX- Type S, RX-8 6MT, Accord V6, Nissan Maxima etc (but so what - the IS300 is subjectively very fast and put a smile on my face). The IS300 is also a very good handling/braking car (better than almost any other $30k sedan I've driven), but the RX-8 is much, much better IMO.

You have a great car - talk about why it is good or different or mods you are planning etc rather than belittling other vehicles which may be just as good or even better in some areas. You may also want to check out IS300.net or clublexus.

i have to disagree with the rx-8 being the faster car, it handles better, but not faster. when my is300 was stock (auto) it ran 15.3 - 15.6, while my friend who recently just bought his rx-8 manual ran 15.2 - 15.5 when i test drove his car, it feels identical to that of manual is300 in term of speed, but with less low-end power.

i find it a little bit funny when people mentions that rx-8 take the is300 in all category because they dont (potential, reliability,etc). the is has been around for more than 5 years (toyota altezza), of course it doesnt fare as well to the newer cars, but imo it still hold its own ground pretty good.

the is300 is also lexus's first try at this entry level sport sedan segment. in fact, as the toyota altezza, the car wasn't even designed for it. i bet for the next model, it will be designed from the ground up with Lexus requirements in mind. This puts a lot of pressure on lexus and hopefully, they will step up to the plate.

Ok, I wasn't familiar with the IS model, but IMO they are ugly, they look like Camry's and it looks like they upped the price on them (the Camrys) just to make someone feel good about themselves because they have a lexus badge. As far as it having Supra ancestory, my best friend has a N/A '95 Supra, (he's found to put turbos in and some other things he needs will cost about $10,000.00 for 655 bhp, and he's still paying on it, bought used) and the RX-8 will totally beat it in our friendly (safe) races-will post pics of both our cars later. Also when we convoyed to the Mountains, I blew him away on the curves because the handling is so much more refined. (note: if you are in the southeast USA, go to the Dragon's Tail and drive, it's like being in another country.)

BTW The Dragon's tail is US 129 between the Tennessee and N.C. border, in Tennessee the speed limit is about 40-45, then the main part of the tail is in N.C. and it raises to and insane (except for motorcycles-still insane) 55 mph.

Astor, dunno wat ur talkin about but an IS looks nothing like a camry.. THe ES does, but not the IS.. totally different car

im gla im actually geting people that can understand where i am coming from and no the is doesnt look anything like the camry. like i said many times before, the rx-8 is fast. its is a bad ass car for the money. but i cant imagine that it can take the is off the line because it has nothing for take off. all of you taht own one know what im talking about. but im not coming in here and putting everyone down i have equal respect for everyone except that kids that call me a troll, whos says that these days? yeah people may think they are better because they have big l on the front of the is300, but i think its more pride because of its name on reliability and clean looking. The other thing that gets me mad about other people on here is that they believe almost everything that a magazine publishes. for those people that do think this, you got to remmerb taht companies dont just hand them the cars to beat the crap out of, they do it with the best drivers out there and they pay them big money so it will make their car sound the balls, so people that do believe everything that is read, that its true. when really its a big scam. i would have to say the two cars that we are talking aboutare a very close match.

one more thing is, if you dont have anything nice to say, why dont you keep it to yourself. i stated how i felt in the first one. and i simply said it was my opinion. and everyone is now writing some pretty nasty stuff. even people that think their contour is the road king. i didnt ask for nastyness of all this, you could simply state what you think and thats it. thats only if you know alot about cars like myself and im sure like alot of other people that work on cars.

IS300 does not look like a Camry. I looks more like a Civic to me IMO. I am trying to decide on a E-Shift IS300 or a RX-8(hopefully 5 sp auto or 6-speed SMG). If there isn't a 5 speed auto for the 2005 models, I will get the IS300 instead.

Originally posted by DoWnAqT@aol.com
im gla im actually geting people that can understand where i am coming from and no the is doesnt look anything like the camry. like i said many times before, the rx-8 is fast. its is a bad ass car for the money. but i cant imagine that it can take the is off the line because it has nothing for take off. all of you taht own one know what im talking about. but im not coming in here and putting everyone down i have equal respect for everyone except that kids that call me a troll, whos says that these days? yeah people may think they are better because they have big l on the front of the is300, but i think its more pride because of its name on reliability and clean looking. The other thing that gets me mad about other people on here is that they believe almost everything that a magazine publishes. for those people that do think this, you got to remmerb taht companies dont just hand them the cars to beat the crap out of, they do it with the best drivers out there and they pay them big money so it will make their car sound the balls, so people that do believe everything that is read, that its true. when really its a big scam. i would have to say the two cars that we are talking aboutare a very close match.

one more thing is, if you dont have anything nice to say, why dont you keep it to yourself. i stated how i felt in the first one. and i simply said it was my opinion. and everyone is now writing some pretty nasty stuff. even people that think their contour is the road king. i didnt ask for nastyness of all this, you could simply state what you think and thats it. thats only if you know alot about cars like myself and im sure like alot of other people that work on cars.

1.) Many many cars will get more HP than your IS will with a chip.

2.) Torque will not make a car pull harder or faster, get a clue.

3.) It's hardly clean looking, it has a chrome grill and the tailights make me want to puke.

4.) I've driven the IS300, it's a nice car but it gets a big yawn from me.

5.) You threw the first stone and several others after that, so don't back down with this "if you don't have anything nice to say" nonsense.

6.) I wouldn't let you anywhere near my car, some 2 year tech college certificate that says you can change oil for a living hardly makes you an expert, and you ignorance in this thread proves that.

7.) The IS300 and the RX-8 are not a close match, your car is heavier, slower, and doesn't handle as well. I've seen 60' times for the IS, and you do not have any advantage on the launch, if anything you have a disadvantage due to weight.

8.) I hope english is your second language.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
1.) Many many cars will get more HP than your IS will with a chip.

2.) Torque will not make a car pull harder or faster, get a clue.

3.) It's hardly clean looking, it has a chrome grill and the tailights make me want to puke.

4.) I've driven the IS300, it's a nice car but it gets a big yawn from me.

5.) You threw the first stone and several others after that, so don't back down with this "if you don't have anything nice to say" nonsense.

6.) I wouldn't let you anywhere near my car, some 2 year tech college certificate that says you can change oil for a living hardly makes you an expert, and you ignorance in this thread proves that.

7.) The IS300 and the RX-8 are not a close match, your car is heavier, slower, and doesn't handle as well. I've seen 60' times for the IS, and you do not have any advantage on the launch, if anything you have a disadvantage due to weight.

8.) I hope english is your second language.

i have no grudge, but i have some little clarifications for your point 1, 2, 3, 4 and 7.

is300 will not support any chip, suckie yes, but a chip wont provide any improvement for the is300.

torque will not make your car pull harder or faster ? no offense, but you really need to get your point straight before critisizing other people.

its kinda funny how you can say that the is300 doesnt look good when you own a wrx :p the is300 has been around for more than 5 years in its toyota altezza form, it has sprout the crazed trend of altezza look-a-like lights to many cars including rx-8. the car won best car of the year in japan during its first 2 year of launch. and for his age, is300 sure still look fine in the face of today's competition imo.

it might not handle as good as rx-8 given the pure sedan form and extra goodies, but is300 is rated as one of the best handling sedan (scaa d stock class, same as the 4wd wrx) it has identical 1/4 mile time with the rx-8 (even though, like you have mentioned heavier) it easily outperform the wrx on the highway, and there are currently over 100 turbo/supercharged is300. i wont really count that as boring :)

Originally posted by Rendezvous
i have no grudge, but i have some little clarifications for your point 1, 2, 3, 4 and 7.

is300 will not support any chip, suckie yes, but a chip wont provide any improvement for the is300.

torque will not make your car pull harder or faster ? no offense, but you really need to get your point straight before critisizing other people.

its kinda funny how you can say that the is300 doesnt look good when you own a wrx :p the is300 has been around for more than 5 years in its toyota altezza form, it has sprout the crazed trend of altezza look-a-like lights to many cars including rx-8. the car won best car of the year in japan during its first 2 year of launch. and for his age, is300 sure still look fine in the face of today's competition imo.

it might not handle as good as rx-8 given the pure sedan form and extra goodies, but is300 is rated as one of the best handling sedan (scaa d stock class, same as the 4wd wrx) it has identical 1/4 mile time with the rx-8 (even though, like you have mentioned heavier) it easily outperform the wrx on the highway, and there are currently over 100 turbo/supercharged is300. i wont really count that as boring :)


DoWnIQ was the one that was talking about a chip... so talk to him about that one, I was just refuting his bragging about getting a chip, but you did a much better job than I did :p

I was a bit strong with my statement, but Torque will not help the IS once you're in the powerband, HP makes a car pull, torque gets it going. He was talking about a car pulling, which often refers to a race from a roll, so that was my frame of reference. In a race from a roll torque will not help much if any.

Say what you will about the WRX, but I never said the IS300 doesn't look good, I actually like it, but those lights and the grill are a freaking crime. The car and mankind would have benefited from them being left off the car.

Correct me if I'm wrong but IS300s run low to mid 15s stock mostly mid @90mph, with a good driver. With equal drivers that is NOT even close to identical, since a good driver in an RX-8 should run mid to high 14s.

I speak from personal experience when I say it does not out perform the WRX on the highway, nor will it the RX-8, the IS300 traps around 90mph and thats is not going to pull either car on the highway.

Lastly, they are nice when turboed and I wouldn't mind owning a turbo one myself, but doWN doesn't have a turbo now, and I bet he doesn't even have a MT. Just because you can strap an aftermarket turbo on a car does not make it a fast car in stock form.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
DoWnIQ was the one that was talking about a chip... so talk to him about that one, I was just refuting his bragging about getting a chip, but you did a much better job than I did :p

I was a bit strong with my statement, but Torque will not help the IS once you're in the powerband, HP makes a car pull, torque gets it going. He was talking about a car pulling, which often refers to a race from a roll, so that was my frame of reference. In a race from a roll torque will not help much if any.

Say what you will about the WRX, but I never said the IS300 doesn't look good, I actually like it, but those lights and the grill are a freaking crime. The car and mankind would have benefited from them being left off the car.

Correct me if I'm wrong but IS300s run low to mid 15s stock mostly mid @90mph, with a good driver. With equal drivers that is NOT even close to identical, since a good driver in an RX-8 should run mid to high 14s.

I speak from personal experience when I say it does not out perform the WRX on the highway, nor will it the RX-8, the IS300 traps around 90mph and thats is not going to pull either car on the highway.

Lastly, they are nice when turboed and I wouldn't mind owning a turbo one myself, but doWN doesn't have a turbo now, and I bet he doesn't even have a MT. Just because you can strap an aftermarket turbo on a car does not make it a fast car in stock form.

just playing with you on the wrx's look :)

from what i see on the board, and various magz (including my friend's) the rx-8 run an average of high 14 to mid 15 in stock form, they are slightly faster than the is300, but not even worth to be mentioned.

in regards about wrx on the highway, i too speak based on personal exprience, many people ( i think even you yourself) know that wrx is a killer from a stop, but they dont do really well on mid to high.

i personally would love to try to race the sti, but no luck as of today :(

Originally posted by Rendezvous
just playing with you on the wrx's look :)

from what i see on the board, and various magz (including my friend's) the rx-8 run an average of high 14 to mid 15 in stock form, they are slightly faster than the is300, but not even worth to be mentioned.

in regards about wrx on the highway, i too speak based on personal exprience, many people ( i think even you yourself) know that wrx is a killer from a stop, but they dont do really well on mid to high.

i personally would love to try to race the sti, but no luck as of today :(

Well you did say identical, and a car that traps 90mph and one that traps 94 or 95 mph is a big difference, as is a half to full second in the 1/4 mile.

I've proven to a few IS300s when I was stock that they will not take a stock WRX on the highway, I had to prove it to one guy about 5 times in a row... Given equal drivers the IS WILL lose, maybe 100+ the IS will start to walk the WRX due to gearing, but that's your only shot. Maybe you raced someone that was a bad driver, or maybe you were modded? I admit the WRX's strong point is not from a roll, but it's not pokey like some people seem to think. Once you hit overdriv... err 4th gear it takes a hit, but it opens up nicely with mods thank god.

Originally posted by DoWnAqT@aol.com
The other thing that gets me mad about other people on here is that they believe almost everything that a magazine publishes. for those people that do think this, you got to remmerb taht companies dont just hand them the cars to beat the crap out of, they do it with the best drivers out there and they pay them big money so it will make their car sound the balls, so people that do believe everything that is read, that its true. when really its a big scam.

Actually, that's exactly what the car companies do - they hand the magazines the cars, and the magazines take them away and do their own independent testing, with their own independent test drivers. It's no scam, and you've just demonstrated that you know absolutely nothing of how magazine test results are obtained - it looks like you're just making excuses for relatively poor IS300 test numbers? Why would you think that Lexus didn't also send their best test driver and pay them big money? (Your asinine theory, not mine!)

Regards,
Gordon

Originally posted by IkeWRX
1.) Many many cars will get more HP than your IS will with a chip.

2.) Torque will not make a car pull harder or faster, get a clue.

3.) It's hardly clean looking, it has a chrome grill and the tailights make me want to puke.

4.) I've driven the IS300, it's a nice car but it gets a big yawn from me.

5.) You threw the first stone and several others after that, so don't back down with this "if you don't have anything nice to say" nonsense.

6.) I wouldn't let you anywhere near my car, some 2 year tech college certificate that says you can change oil for a living hardly makes you an expert, and you ignorance in this thread proves that.

7.) The IS300 and the RX-8 are not a close match, your car is heavier, slower, and doesn't handle as well. I've seen 60' times for the IS, and you do not have any advantage on the launch, if anything you have a disadvantage due to weight.

8.) I hope english is your second language.



What makes you the expert? a magazine, and a two college isnt all i have for acert. thank you very much. i drag race on the side too, been around this stuff since i was born because my father build races motor that put out 1100 hp with 1258 tq just for his toys, and yes you dont know what the hell your talking about mr. smarty pants.

i didnt dish out the first rude name calling.

and yes that is what car companies do to magazines, and your right they did do that to my car. but do i care? no, im not saying that the times are right for my car too. all im saying for every car they are wrong.

No i dont have any mods done to my car, is a fucking lexus that i drive everyday, i put my monmey in to my camaro since that thing has way more power than all of your cars. as for the wrx yeah that thing is fast. my best friend used to have one and beat the sh*t out of it with my camaro, in the handleing catorgory too becuase mine is lowered with the ploy bushing and bigger sways.
but i got probs to ya on the car they are sick for the money. just becareful with that because it takes a lot to set of an air bag, my friend hit 8 trees with his and totaled the car and not one air bag went off. pretty scary

Also, my english sucks, tell me something i dont know.

one more thing, do some research on what really makes the car haul ass. i can promise it isnt hp. you need to get your facts straight? and if you dont beleive me ask someone who actually works on race motors or actually is really into drag racing.

For purposes of this discussion, we need to measure units of force from rotating objects such as crankshafts, so we'll use terms which define a *twisting* force, such as foot pounds of torque. A foot pound of torque is the twisting force necessary to support a one pound weight on a weightless horizontal bar, one foot from the fulcrum.

check out this link for all you smarty pants that think hp is what makes your car. http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html

First of all, from a driver's perspective, torque, to use the vernacular, RULES :-). Any given car, in any given gear, will accelerate at a rate that *exactly* matches its torque curve (allowing for increased air and rolling resistance as speeds climb). Another way of saying this is that a car will accelerate hardest at its torque peak in any given gear, and will not accelerate as hard below that peak, or above it. Torque is the only thing that a driver feels, and horsepower is just sort of an esoteric measurement in that context. 300 foot pounds of torque will accelerate you just as hard at 2000 rpm as it would if you were making that torque at 4000 rpm in the same gear, yet, per the formula, the horsepower would be *double* at 4000 rpm. Therefore, horsepower isn't particularly meaningful from a driver's perspective, and the two numbers only get friendly at 5252 rpm, where horsepower and torque always come out the same.

HP=(Torque)(RPM)/5252

Simple as that boys

Yes that would be the formula to figure out torque.......do i know you? PM me

ummm hmmm......you mean HP

yup

Originally posted by DoWnAqT@aol.com
check out this link for all you smarty pants that think hp is what makes your car. http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html

uh, did you read the rest of that article, beside the torque section you just copied and pasted off of???

you keep owning yourself like this, I won't have to say a word anymore

looks what hes comparing buddy, top speed as in salt flats. if your gonna go that fast. have fun. but it does say torque is what you feel and what makes your car take off

Originally posted by DoWnAqT@aol.com
looks what hes comparing buddy, top speed as in salt flats. if your gonna go that fast. have fun. but it does say torque is what you feel and what makes your car take off

*sigh*

either you're really good at reading this article out of context, or you just lack reading comprehension skill.

maybe learn how to read?

I think it's funny how you stopped talking about your mighty IS300 and now have moved on to the Camaro... What, did you realize the IS300 can't hang?


Forcedinduction: HP=(Torque)(RPM)/5252

DoWNwhoziewhatzit: Yes that would be the forumla to figure out torque

Forced Induction: You mean HP

DoWn: Yup


Classic!


By the way, I never said I was an expert, but I've been racing for about as long as you've been alive. Lastly, metal shop in HS + your 2 year tech college certificate still doesn't make you an expert.

LOL!
"DoWNwhoziewhatzit, DoWnIQ"


Forcedinduction: HP=(Torque)(RPM)/5252

DoWNwhoziewhatzit: Yes that would be the forumla to figure out torque

Forced Induction: You mean HP

DoWn: Yup

Classic!

Technically, it would seem that the formula could be reversed to calculate torque too, ie torque = (HP*5252)/RPM, but still funny.

never said i was the expert

Calm down guys .