This has happened to me twice recently. I order a cheeseburger of some kind, except i say that I only want lettuce and ketchup. Normally this is no big deal. However, recently I've been getting burgers with no friggin cheese. I wouldn't order a CHEESEburger if I didn't want CHEESE on it. Does this happen to everyone or is it just me.

I no longer eat any beef products.

Mad cow diease is pretty insane.

And my parent's have a farm and raise cows.

Some of the fast food places around here hire immigrants whose command of the English language doesn’t extend beyond "taco" and "burito". I thing you should be grateful you got buns with your burger.

I've had it happen from time to time, though not very often. Occaisionally they will ask, and I'll confirm that I actually want cheese on it.

I'm a ketchup only kind of guy.

---A

There is only one Taco Bell that can every get my order correct. It isn't hard, but look who is taking the order :p

I've NEVER gotten a cheeseburger with no cheese.. That doesn't seem that important tho.. here's a REAL issue.. Whenever I order an apple pie at Micy D's , I NEVER get it !!!!!!! THey charge me for it but I never get it!! Apple pie is the most important part of my meal. whats so hard about putting 4 big macs and 4 apple pies in a bag !!?

Originally posted by therm8
This has happened to me twice recently. I order a cheeseburger of some kind, except i say that I only want lettuce and ketchup. Normally this is no big deal. However, recently I've been getting burgers with no friggin cheese. I wouldn't order a CHEESEburger if I didn't want CHEESE on it. Does this happen to everyone or is it just me.

Originally posted by guy321
I've NEVER gotten a cheeseburger with no cheese.. That doesn't seem that important tho.. here's a REAL issue.. Whenever I order an apple pie at Micy D's , I NEVER get it !!!!!!! THey charge me for it but I never get it!! Apple pie is the most important part of my meal. whats so hard about putting 4 big macs and 4 apple pies in a bag !!?
Holy cholestoral batman!

When I was a kid, big macs were huge. Now they look like tiny little muffins.

Originally posted by Meowloud
Holy cholestoral batman!

i don't think i've ever ordered an apple pie at micky d's.

It's heaven on Earth! Gotta love tube shaped, goo filled pastries.

Originally posted by RX-GR8
i don't think i've ever ordered an apple pie at micky d's.

I order "no ham" on my drive-thru breakfast at McDonald's only to discover that they made it "no ham and no cheese".

guy321:
It's heaven on Earth! Gotta love tube shaped, goo filled pastries.

Originally posted by RX-GR8
i don't think i've ever ordered an apple pie at micky d's.
I go to Whataburger to get the apple pies the way McDonald's used to make. Yum Me! (I just had one yesterday.)

Originally posted by JasonHamilton
I no longer eat any beef products.

Mad cow diease is pretty insane.

And my parent's have a farm and raise cows.

Mad cow disease affects the nervous tissue of the cow (hence "mad cow") not muscle tissue.

anyway, I just order the burgers straight and take off whatever i dont want. Otherwise it's too hard for them to figure out.

My running feud with Jack in the Box has to do with getting 1000 Island Dressing for my side salad. I order the combo that I want, get the salad substitute for the fries, then, as an afterthought, they ask me what kind of dressing I want. Thousand says I. If they remember to put the dressing packet on the tray, it always comes up Ranch. I wanted Thousand says I, after I catch the guys attention. That's not Thousand says he. No. Back he goes to work it out. Some locker doors slam, eventually he comes out with a packet of Thousand, but sometimes a packet of French. Why did you bother to ask me in the first place says I.

Originally posted by Zio
Mad cow disease affects the nervous tissue of the cow (hence "mad cow") not muscle tissue.

It doesn't matter. The part of "mad cow disease" that spreads to humans isn't alive, it cannot be killed (well, you can destroy it with 1200 degree heat, but then you don't have any food remaining to eat), and you don't have to eat the brains to get infected with it. Remember normal washing and cleaning will not remove the prions that cause it, so working with any part of the nervous tissue means you infect everything you're working with.

There have been vegetarians who've gotten mad cow simply because a knife or cutting board may have once touched a prion.

Did you hear about the situation that happened in NJ from 88-93? I just heard about it on the news tonight.

With an incubation period of ~20 years, this has the potential to become quite big in the coming years.

Zio:
Mad cow disease affects the nervous tissue of the cow (hence "mad cow") not muscle tissue.

Are you suggesting that all those human fatalities are people who ate prepared dishes of cow brain or cow spinal cord?

Hint: Ground beef isn't exactly 100% muscle tissue. There's lots of other stuff that ends up in those grinders.

Originally posted by HIX8
Hint: Ground beef isn't exactly 100% muscle tissue. There's lots of other stuff that ends up in those grinders.

heh. The meat you eat just has to touch one machine that touched a cow with mad cow....

They don't test every cow that goes through, and they don't clean up the machines between cows. Even if they did, they wouldn't be cleaning the machines enough to get rid of the prions...

This is extremely scary stuff, worse than AIDS in my mind.

Don't even get me started on the condition of the meat at the fast food joints.. grind grind grind.

Next time you are at 'FatBurger', try this little head-game......:) :)

order 'no ice' as if it were a menu item....

"Big Mac"
"Medium fries"
"Diet Coke"
"No Ice"
"Apple Pie"

as they punch it in, they come to the ice-free request and dismiss it, and it stays dismissed....they will fill the order, but you'll get ice every time. ;)

I have no idea why it works, and I certainly don't want to make sweeping generalizations about the staff and their mental processes......

OK, I am a GM for a Mcdonalds franchise, as I can not vouch for all McDonalds, people must under stand that in the matter of an 8 hour shift you have seen and served over 700 people. Now if it slow and no customers when you recieved your misorder, then there is not much of an excuse for forgetting something; but on the other hand if the store is swampped with people then think about it, there is at least 4 people trying to get your food out in 90 seconds!!!! Thats insanity, and impossible, unless that store has thirty people make food and helping out on registers. So that those four people (including the ones making your food, those immigrants) are busting their ass to get you your food as fast as possible. The average McDonald's Drive-thru lets through 95 cars in a 12pm-1pm lunch rush at an average time of 120 seconds. Its hard and stressfull work. I apologize for being pissed on my rant but it makes me angry when people don't stop to realize all the work that is going into getting you a cheeseburger value meal in 90 secs. Oh, and HIX8 you actually like our old pies, not saying anything but most people hated FRYED pies. Next time you stop into a place like that look around and see everything they are trying to do for you. Most stores really do try, but trust me I know there are stores where the managers would rather sit on their but and not do anything, with idiot employees. But all I am saying is stop back and look most of us are highly stressed.

I agree with you Black-dragon. I own three Wendy's restaurants. Customers love to talk about how unhealthy the food is or how stupid the employees are but I've realized it doesn't matter. These chronic complainers always come back because they like the food. The fast food industry is always looked down upon maybe because patrons for a moment feel smarter (powerful?)than the employees that try to complete their order.

I poked around the web for specific info. Here's a USDA web link to a document that spells out what constitutes a defect when certain types of meat get inspected:

http://www.ams.usda.gov/lsg/imps/qaps.pdf

From p21of133:

Presence of any portion of the spinal cord
measuring 1.0 inch (25 mm) or more in one
dimension and 0.2 inch (5 mm) in a second
dimension.

Originally posted by bernieunger
immigrants whose command of the English language doesn’t extend beyond "taco" and "burito"


1. I find this statement offensive

2. taco and burrito (with two r's) are spanish words adopted by the english speakers

I know that I as a customer can show more gratitude for the service and convenience provided by fast food restaurants.

I doubt that this aspect gets communicated in the new movie, "Super Size Me", where McDonald's gets blamed for our weight problems.

[Edit: Perhaps the film is more balanced than I gave them credit for above. I just found this statement on their website: "Is it our fault for lacking self-control, or are the fast-food corporations to blame?" - http://www.supersizeme.com/home.aspx?page=aboutmovie]

Photo from this year's Sundance premiere:

neit_jnf:
2. taco and burrito (with two r's) are spanish words adopted by the english speakers
Burrito, curiously enough, means "little donkey" (little burro).

Some people can't handle stress very well. All "stress" is internal. Stress is related to your mind's understanding of the proper management of a situation. The symptoms of "stress" are caused by adrenaline and other hormones released by the body. Any job where time is a factor creates stress, and trying to provide a service to other people (who can be impatient and demanding) adds to the stress. Retail jobs of any kind are stressful. I rate Mcdonalds as one of the more stressful jobs anyone could have.

Another stressor is the need to provide for yourself and your family, but this is universal. If other people depend on your decisions and actions, of course the stress increases further. Not sleeping or eating properly increase your stress via hormone release as well. "Worrying" about something is your mind/body's method to release more adrenaline.

When people come to see me saying they are so stressed about their job, I mention these things, specifying McDonalds by name. It usually doesn't make them feel better, but it puts things into perspective for them.

When you learn to manage your body's release of adrenaline, you learn to manage stress better. Adrenaline can be useful, for example, when it helps you to act quickly, but it can be harmful if it causes your thoughts to become disorganized.

my biggest problem with fast food places is cold/warm orders from sitting around too long and the clealiness of the establishment.

Originally posted by neit_jnf
1. I find this statement offensive

2. taco and burrito (with two r's) are spanish words adopted by the english speakers

Sorry about the misspelling. I know better but my typing fingers don't always type what I'm thinking.

My statement, offensive or not to you, is an only slightly exaggerated truth around here. People are often hired into positions that require basic fluency in the English language who don't have that skill. I don't fault the worker - I fault the manager who made the hire. The result is sometimes I, the customer, don't get what I want or ordered. Even if I get what I want, it was too much of a struggle to get there to make for a positive experience. The Carls Jr. fast food chain hire Mexican order takers who ALWAYS have the necessary language skills, so I know it can be done.

Originally posted by JasonHamilton
I no longer eat any beef products.

Mad cow diease is pretty insane.

And my parent's have a farm and raise cows.

With an incubation period of ~20 years, this has the potential to become quite big in the coming years.


Do you drive a car? Ride a bicycle? Climb a ladder? Go outside?
Almost anything you do is exponentially more likely to kill you than the disorder you are worried about.

If you don't want to eat meat, then don't. But at least have a more logical reason for not doing so. Your chance of contracting that disease is about the same as being killed by a falling nun.

Besides, if you were going to get it, you've probably already got it. And you can't do anything about it.

As of December 1, 2003, a total of 153 cases of vCJD had been reported in the world: 143 from the United Kingdom, six from France, and one each from Canada, Ireland, Italy, and the United States (note: the Canadian, Irish, and U.S. cases were reported in persons who resided in the United Kingdom during a key exposure period of the U.K. population to the BSE agent).

Almost all the 153 vCJD patients had multiple-year exposures in the United Kingdom between 1980 and 1996 during the occurrence of a large UK outbreak of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE, commonly known as mad cow disease) among cattle.

There has never been a case of vCJD that did not have a history of exposure within a country where this cattle disease, BSE, was occurring.

It is believed that the persons who have developed vCJD became infected through their consumption of cattle products contaminated with the agent of BSE. There is no known treatment of vCJD and it is invariably fatal.


http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd_fact_sheet.htm

I used to live by a McDonalds where almost all of the workers were "previously retired" folks -- senior citizens.

At THAT McDonald's my order was complete and correct EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
Do you drive a car? Ride a bicycle? Climb a ladder? Go outside?
Almost anything you do is exponentially more likely to kill you than the disorder you are worried about.

You may be more right than you know.

The problem is the beef industry is huge, and no one wants to be responsible for causing panic or chaos.

Just look at what the UK gov'ts did even when they KNEW mad cow meat was being feed to their population.

Your listed facts don't match up with actual events that are taking place.

Try this recent news on for size:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4806886/

20 people died from CJD in the race track in NJ, after eating meat during 1988 - 1993. We don't know if that is the total sum yet due to incubation periods and that the autopsy doesn't always check for CJD.

And, it's not always about eating beef.

SCHWAN: Well, they didn‘t say anything to me. This was an after thought. I‘m being interviewed by CDC after just finding out that my son is dying of a disease that has no treatment, no cure. And they‘re asking me if he took any GNC products.

And later on, I thought why would they ask about a specific brand name?

And then I learned that there can be beef by-products in these protein supplements.

It should be clear that the CDC knows something if they immediately ask about supplements when a 26 year old dies of CJD... Did any of you know people have caught mad cow from suppliments? The goverment does.


I don't think it's a vast conspiracy to keep us in the dark, but rather the situation is known, and we're not being warned because it costs a lot to do all the tests, or lobbiests from the meat industry. America ranks at the bottom of the barel when it comes to testing for things like this.

Back now with a look at Mad Cow Disease. As we‘ve noted, most of the human cases of disease, which is called CJD, are not caused by eating tainted meat. But some are.

And one small U.S. beef company in Kansas why not test all animals anyway?

Creekstone Farms would like to test all of its cattle, and it‘s invested more than $500,000 in a Mad Cow testing laboratory. It has hired seven chemists and biologists to operate it, but there‘s a catch.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture won‘t allow it, issuing this statement to Creekstone Farms: “The use of the test as proposed by Creekstone would have implied a consumer safety aspect that is not scientifically warranted.”

Japan has 100% testing of their beef.

Sir, you think it would be a good idea for everybody, cattlemen and consumers alike, if every single cow that you sold were tested ahead of time.

BILL FIELDING, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER, CREEKSTONE FARMS: Well, we do, especially for the Japanese market.

We‘ve heard the consumers speak very clearly in Japan that they would like 100 percent testing. All their beef is tested. And we‘re responding to that. And we‘ve gone ahead, built the lab, we think one of the best labs in the country and we absolutely would like to test 100 percent of our beef.

Anyway... the problem is, there will be no outcry until a large number of people start dying from it, and their deaths are properly attributed to CJD. Since there's a 20 year incubation period, by the time that happens, even if we fix things immediately, there will be casualties for a long time to come.

Originally posted by JasonHamilton
You may be more right than you know.

The problem is the beef industry is huge, and no one wants to be responsible for causing panic or chaos.

How can any normal person "panic" about a condition that has killed about the same number of US citizens as mountain lions, even if we include your cluster of 20.

You are thousands of times more likely to die from choking on your burger, so chew your food well.

Reminds me of the SARS scare. We put frigging posters up in our ER and initiated screening questions for every patient for a disease that has made far less impact here than the rare "flesh-eating bacteria." Do you know we had a whopping 8 cases of SARS in the US, and NO deaths?

Do you know how many people die from the flu here each year? 36,000!!!!! And still not everyone gets the flu shot. Did you? If you did not, then you are being illogical.

Time to get a grip.

http://www.instinct.org/cows/pics/get-a-grip.jpg

I don't know if you're pretending to be naive, but just because it hasn't yet killed millions doesn't mean it will not. As I said before, pretending there isn't a problem IS a problem when there is a 20 year incubation period.

It is exactly your attitude that is going to cause people to die. We can test the animals, but we don't. Even those who want to test all their animals are not allowed.

Left over beef products are ground up and fed to other cattle, chickens, etc. The prions are not alive, they will exist in the new animal just fine. The prion goes to your brain, and destroys your brain tissue, leaving your brain looking like swiss cheese. Death typically takes a few days or weeks once it begins.

The scope of this problem is just starting to show up, but this country isn't taking any steps towards preventing it.

As I said before, with a 20 year incubation period, if you are going to get it, then you've already got it. If cases start to show up in massive numbers, not just one suspicious cluster of uncertain cause, then it might be more reasonable to worry.

Do you know how much meat gets eaten every day?

My point is, that from what we know now, making a decision to not eat beef to avoid JCD is ridiculous from a logical standpoint. Again, you are thousands of times more likely to die from *bacterial* contamination of beef than from prions.

If you do not get a flu shot every year, you are not being consistent. This is the definition of a phobia. An unreasonable fear.

Left over beef products are ground up and fed to other cattle, chickens, etc.
And this is incorrect.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
And this is incorrect.

What is incorrect about it?

So far, research shows that BSE is spread in cattle through feed containing diseased animal byproducts. People seem to get the human form of BSE by eating meat from infected cattle, though only certain parts. The prion protein that's thought to cause BSE has been found in the brain, spinal cord and small intestine of beef

Bone/blood meal (ground up hooves, bones and innards) are used in plant food.

Iceland tried to eliminate scrapie some years ago. They killed all the sheep.
They imported disease-free animals. Scrapie came back from the pastures.
You'll find many references to prions' stability in the ground; that's why
the British have quit burying, and started burning, infected cattle

Now, if the prions can live in the ground, and reinfect sheep, and they can infect our brains... what do you think of bone meal being used for our plant food? Simply not eating beef isn't going to prevent you from getting CJD.... this I'm well aware of.

The british scientist
noted that several persons who died of CJ Disease were gardeners. The
commentator added that the British Horticultural Society had advised
wearing a mask when using bone meal.

And again, the US lags behind:

The British have banned the use of bone meal for fertilizer. It is still
for sale in the US. It's largely protein. The FDA is concerned because
the machines used to remove meat scraps from bone, in the US, have been
putting both bone fragments and spinal cord material into hamburger meat.

Only on June 5, 1997 did the united states ban the use of bone meal in cattle feed (Thats a year after they discovered beef could give humans CJD). That step means those tained with meat before that will only stop dying around 2010 - 2020.

Bone meal is still fed to other animals - pigs, chickens, etc.

Finally:

Most cows are killed before they turn 2 years old, chickens at 6 to 7 weeks, and pigs and turkeys before they’re 6 months old, long before they could become symptomatic; no one would know whether they were infected with spongy brain disease, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is doing nothing at all to try to find out. In fact, the USDA admits that it only tested about 20,000 cows (and no other animals) for BSE last year—a statistically insignificant percentage of the approximately 40 million cows and 10 billion other animals slaughtered annually.

The dangerous practice of feeding sheep and even cows to other cows was not banned in the U.S. and Canada until 1997, and the U.S. government said that as recently as 2001, there was widespread violation of the feeding regulation. It is still legal to feed sheep and cows to pigs and chickens and to feed pigs and chickens to one another and to cows, even though these practices have been banned in Europe, and cows’ blood continues to be fed to chickens, turkeys, and other farmed animals. In fact, European countries have instituted an array of safety precautions that have not yet been adopted in the U.S. to try to protect their populations from spongy brain diseases. Although the issue of feeding cows to cows has been of particular concern, the problem is even more severe for chickens and pigs. In fact, of all the meat and bone meal that is processed into food for farmed animals, 43 percent is fed to birds, 13 percent is fed to pigs, and only 10 percent is fed to cows, so any ban on feeding animal carcasses to cows does not even begin to address the overall violation of WHO recommendations.

I'm not making this stuff up.

All I'm saying is that the united states needs to start acting like our lives matter. From what I've read, we're basically the only one who is pretending this isn't a problem, while other countries are making radical changes to lower the chances of future problems.

think back to when they started talking about AIDS. It only killed 20 people, but they knew it would become a big thing, and soon. CJD has a much longer incubation period, and when it goes into effect, kills much faster than AIDS. It's going to take longer to become a big thing, but if we take active steps to prevent it, we may be able to nip it in the bud BEFORE it becomes a problem as AIDS did.

I'm done with the subject, take it however you want.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
Your chance of contracting that disease is about the same as being killed by a falling nun.

That was a very insensitive thing to say, Doc. My cousin was killed by a falling nun. It wasn't pretty. Neither was the nun, but that's another story.

Back on topic....

I pull up at the drive-thru.

Me: I'd like a small #3 value meal with a Dr Pepper and that is all.
Clerk: What would you like to drink with that?
Me: Dr Pepper.
Clerk: Would you like to SuperSize that?
Me: No.
Clerk: Would you like to add a pie?
Me: No.

What's up with this? Maybe they wouldn't be in so much of a hurry if they didn't ask repetitive questions.

Originally posted by I, Claudius
That was a very insensitive thing to say, Doc. My cousin was killed by a falling nun. It wasn't pretty. Neither was the nun, but that's another story.

Did your cousin like tacos? Burritos? Would he have felt better about it if the nun were pretty?

Typical right wing nut case response from Doc. Don't worry, be happy, eat beef. If people are going to get sick it will be twenty years out, so what do we care about it now?

The fact is, we have no idea if the problem that we are creating for ourselves now will rank with a bad flu season 20 years from now. Unless the government holds their feet to the fire, industry of any type will take the cheapest, most competitive way out which, in this case, means to skimp on inspections to the extent possible until the risk of fines exceeds the cost benefit of not inspecting. Our sorry pro-business government has spent the last few years trying to figure out if it's FDA or DOA that needs to take charge here. In the mean time, meat stripping machines have become more efficient at pulling ALL the meat right up to - and including bits of the spine, and nobody is watching.

What I can't figure out is, why do the Japanese rate fully inpected beef and not me?

Originally posted by bowman
Back on topic....

I pull up at the drive-thru.

Me: I'd like a small #3 value meal with a Dr Pepper and that is all.
Clerk: What would you like to drink with that?
Me: Dr Pepper.
Clerk: Would you like to SuperSize that?
Me: No.
Clerk: Would you like to add a pie?
Me: No.

What's up with this? Maybe they wouldn't be in so much of a hurry if they didn't ask repetitive questions.

That's just good training. I'm more amused at being asked if I would like fries with my lo-carb burger wrap. According to my franchisee friend, an astounding number of customers say yes.

Originally posted by bernieunger
Typical right wing nut case response from Doc.

Unless the government holds their feet to the fire, industry of any type will take the cheapest, most competitive way out which, in this case, means to skimp on inspections to the extent possible until the risk of fines exceeds the cost benefit of not inspecting.

I'm all for more inspections to prevent problems. But to stop eating beef at this stage of the game is almost as idiotic and illogical as your typical left wing government diatribes. (I don't appreciate the unwarranted attack, can you tell?)

Originally posted by bernieunger
That's just good training. I'm more amused at being asked if I would like fries with my lo-carb burger wrap. According to my franchisee friend, an astounding number of customers say yes.

That's good, I just thought they were imbeciles. :cool:

"I'm only gonna tell you one time. It is spelled bu-RR-ito."

I wonder if mountain lion burgers are better for you.

http://www.defenders.org/images/ddb/mtlionddb.jpg

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
I'm all for more inspections to prevent problems. But to stop eating beef at this stage of the game is almost as idiotic and illogical as your typical left wing government diatribes. (I don't appreciate the unwarranted attack, can you tell?)

No

I've never had a cougar-burger. Carnivores frequently have a stronger flavor though.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
I wonder if mountain lion burgers are better for you.

http://www.defenders.org/images/ddb/mtlionddb.jpg

I work about a mile away from where a bicyclist was recently eaten by a mountain lion, and another mauled. Some of my co-workers ride their bikes during lunch hour through the same trails where the bikers ran into trouble. I've offered to make up bike jerseys with the checkerboard on it that say Purina Lion Chow, but I haven't had any takers yet.

Sorry to continue the hijack, but I actually did research the subject of mountain lion deaths before posting my stats.

There were only 2 humans killed in California from 1986-1998 by mountain lions, and only 10 in the US and Canada in the last 12 years.

http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/lion_attacks.html

My credibility is important to me. :)

It's crazy that the animal is still protected even though it is so numerous that cougars are coming into parks and killing cyclists and joggers.

Again, at an average of less than one death per year, why not protect such a beautiful animal. And why worry about them?

Then again, they would be fun to hunt and probably good to eat. And they seem to be immune to the prion disease that affects cattle, so even Jason might feel comfortable eating one.

Speed-ER, You're being an ass. You're acting like I sit around all day consumed with worry about mad cow.

I *know* there is basically no checks on US meat. I also know that cows are almost always killed before the prions will show any damage to their brains, thus the cow is never suspect.

With that in mind, I've choosen to not eat beef.

You don't like to be insulted, but yet you're doing it to me. It's my choice. You can do as you please. No skin off my back.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
Sorry to continue the hijack, but I actually did research the subject of mountain lion deaths before posting my stats.

There were only 2 humans killed in California from 1986-1998 by mountain lions, and only 10 in the US and Canada in the last 12 years.

http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/lion_attacks.html

My credibility is important to me. :)

Good link doc. I didn't see it until after my last post. I guess I put my foot in my mouth. It's my own fault for trusting mass media.

If the cougar population has reached pre-decimation numbers, why not reinstate limited hunting? Modern hunting has brought many species back from the brink of extinction, and never eliminated any species. I guess the fact that it's CA has a lot to do with the fact that they do not allow cougar hunting.

Originally posted by JasonHamilton
You don't like to be insulted, but yet you're doing it to me. It's my choice. You can do as you please. No skin off my back.
My satire can be a bit harsh at times, but I certainly didn't mean to insult you. Sorry you got a bit of sidesplash from my return of bernie's insult.

Your points are well taken. I hope mine are. Let's move on. :)

My most embarrassing drive through moment - when I finished my order once I added, "to go."

Have anyone ever ordered a Whopper in McDonalds or a BigMac in Burger King?

I've done it on purpose sometimes while dining in. It's fun to watch them hesitate for a moment trying to find it in the register hahahahaha

Have anyone ever ordered a Whopper in McDonalds or a BigMac in Burger King? I've done it on purpose sometimes while dining in. It's fun to watch them hesitate for a moment trying to find it in the register hahahahaha

I bet it's even more fun for them knowing that they get to enjoy watching you eat every last bite of a burger with a [add disgusting object here, such as hocker, dustball, bug, etc] in it. I worked in a fast food restaurant in high school. Maybe it would be a better idea to screw with them AFTER you get the food!

i went back to micky d's after the trashed my order when inside ask if the could throw the 1/4 lber inthe bag without the wrapper and just dump the fries in on top of everything she acted confused .i said the same way you did it yesterday but this time just leave out the trash. then the mgr came over and apolgized. they made me a fish sandwhich 1 time that had most of the sauce on the ouside of the bun i was pist went inside showed it to the mgr and ask her to eat it .

i worked in a restaurant for 4 years when I was younger, and we made our own ground beef. It was cheaper. You buy huge cuts of meat (60-130 lbs) for sirloins and ribeye steaks, etc (Muscle tissue...not nerve tissue) and you cut your steaks. You trim the fat and make the steak look nice and pretty. Then you take the fat and trimmings and you throw them in a meat grinder. The meat grinder makes all kinds of squishy sounds and poof, out come meat worms. It's much cheaper to make your own ground beef than to buy it pre-ground. I'm sure a lot of steakhouses do this. I don't know why I'm telling you this, but hope this helps. I'm tired.

I no longer eat any beef products.

Mad cow diease is pretty insane.

And my parent's have a farm and raise cows.
I hope you make your GF wipe off her lipstick...with 1300 degree heat.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/pf/package.jsp?name=fte/lipstick/lipstick

We are being invaded.....

I hope that was a wrong link :)

It's kind of neat sitting back and watching Jason and Doc hammer it out. Heiferphobics and tree-hugging lion-lovers are usually liberals deep down inside. Oh, continue on please... :cool:

nothing beats bringing back 2 month old discussions.

Oops, wrong link. I edited it above, but here it is again. Scary stuff, depending on your scareability. I thought it was pertinent to our previous hijack.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/pf/package.jsp?name=fte/lipstick/lipstick

What really irritates me is when at a fast food restaurant I order a single item, such as just a burger, and they ask me if i want any fries or a drink with it? Did I order fries? Did I order a GD drink? No. Ya know why? Probably because I didn't want the f#$%@*& thing in the first place. I know the employer makes them ask everytime, but what's their incentive? If I order that large frnch fries, does that person get any extra cash in their pocket? No. So, they should tell the management to stick it, and just give me what I ordered. Thanks for listening, guys, I feel much better now.

Back home Down Under, "the lot" or "everything" includes cheese. Over here, apparently, it does not. My wife cannot seem to grasp this concept of "everything," and gets pissy if I return with a burger with everything when she apparently meant "everything but cheese."

Scary stuff, depending on your scareability. I thought it was pertinent to our previous hijack.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/pf/package.jsp?name=fte/lipstick/lipstick

Never mind the BSE. That's going to freak out my rabble-rousing bra-burning PETA-loving vegan daughter.

No. So, they should tell the management to stick it, and just give me what I ordered. Thanks for listening, guys, I feel much better now.

They are trained to ask these questions. If they refuse, they get fired. Now, you already knew that, so why are you ranting like that?

What does your parents raising cows have to do with you not eating beef? Do you think cattle ranchers don't eat beef? Or just sons of farmers don't eat beef? I used to live on a farm in Kiln, Ms. They used to butcher the damn things in the barn right outside my trailor.

I've eaten many times many animals that my grandmother has raised.

If you dont like beef, that's cool. But I just dont see what your parents have to do with your argument.

Furthermore, they sell more than beef products at fast food restaraunts. So you could still answer the original question.


As for my fast food experiences. I NEVER get the correct order. I have stopped eating fast food. One time I ordered a hamburger and got a chicken sandwich..

I no longer eat any beef products.

Mad cow diease is pretty insane.

And my parent's have a farm and raise cows.

Never mind the BSE. That's going to freak out my rabble-rousing bra-burning PETA-loving vegan daughter.
I love rattling rabble rousers.

This is a gross parody:

http://www.bongonews.com/layout1.php?event=840

Its hard and stressfull work. I apologize for being pissed on my rant but it makes me angry when people don't stop to realize all the work that is going into getting you a cheeseburger value meal in 90 secs.

Hear-Hear! I worked for a year and a half as an assistant manager at a Burger King (working full-time and in my junior year of college full-time), and that was without a doubt the most stressful job I've ever had in my life.

Everyone who ever eats fast food should have to work in fast food for a while -- just so you know what the employees go through. I guarantee you'd treat them a lot better after the experience.

they usually screw up my drink order i order a diet coke and it reg.coke .what's funny is your order can come to $3.76 you give them a $4.01so you can have a quarter instead of 24cents and it blows their mind .it takes them 5min. to figure out your change.

Hear-Hear! I worked for a year and a half as an assistant manager at a Burger King (working full-time and in my junior year of college full-time), and that was without a doubt the most stressful job I've ever had in my life.

Everyone who ever eats fast food should have to work in fast food for a while -- just so you know what the employees go through. I guarantee you'd treat them a lot better after the experience.

The worst is when someone is on a cell phone while making an order. Most customers at my job let their kids destroy everything. The ice cream machine is a mess, the salad bar looks like a tornado went through it. BTW, I'm also getting tired of people asking for to-go cups. AAAAAHHHH!! There's dine-in cups next to the ice machine!! Hungry people have no idea what kind of mess they're making. They think that it's not their house, so why should they be jerks and mess everything up? It would be like me walking into their house going into their fridge and throwing everything out. People should be more considerate of employees at fast-food, or any restaurant. I feel better :).

Oh yeah. I like ordering lottery tickets and chili fries at Jason's Deli.

it has happened several times to me, order PLAIN cheeseburger, get hamburger. i didn't fret, after all you get what you pay for. what do you expect from someone earning minimum wage and can't speak english? (at least in every burger joint here in the desert) :)

You want to know what the most difficult fast food order is to get correct (apparently)?

Try ordering a combo meal with a plain hamburger - just bun and beef.




And it's the EASIEST thing to make, ever.


I have fast food rants available in my brain born from my experiences as a consumer and a participant (thank goodness it's been at least 7 years since)....I'll spare you guys though.

wendy's cant get large orders of the same thing right! My family has always been a fan of wendy's chicken nuggets and used to grab them t and order any more that 2 sets and its like they can't count after that. Order 4, get 3 sometimes with extra or fewer nuggets, etc. Just pick up as many of the little pouches as i ask for!

ok done ranting :)

I agree with you Black-dragon. I own three Wendy's restaurants. Customers love to talk about how unhealthy the food is or how stupid the employees are but I've realized it doesn't matter. These chronic complainers always come back because they like the food. The fast food industry is always looked down upon maybe because patrons for a moment feel smarter (powerful?)than the employees that try to complete their order.

Exactly, tiRX8. My wife and I smile at each other and roll our eyes as we watch patrons complain about nothing. Viewed in the grand scheme of things, what type of person yells at a 16 year old because their Coke is too weak, or the burger doesn't have a pickle? Be glad they showed up to work to fix your food, it's hard work. I think loud complainers are usually people who need some extra attention paid to them, because of some other deficits in their life. Their abruptness is usually far out of proportion to the issue at hand.

OK, I am a GM for a Mcdonalds franchise, as I can not vouch for all McDonalds, people must under stand that in the matter of an 8 hour shift you have seen and served over 700 people. Now if it slow and no customers when you recieved your misorder, then there is not much of an excuse for forgetting something; but on the other hand if the store is swampped with people then think about it, there is at least 4 people trying to get your food out in 90 seconds!!!! Thats insanity, and impossible, unless that store has thirty people make food and helping out on registers. So that those four people (including the ones making your food, those immigrants) are busting their ass to get you your food as fast as possible. The average McDonald's Drive-thru lets through 95 cars in a 12pm-1pm lunch rush at an average time of 120 seconds. Its hard and stressfull work. I apologize for being pissed on my rant but it makes me angry when people don't stop to realize all the work that is going into getting you a cheeseburger value meal in 90 secs. Oh, and HIX8 you actually like our old pies, not saying anything but most people hated FRYED pies. Next time you stop into a place like that look around and see everything they are trying to do for you. Most stores really do try, but trust me I know there are stores where the managers would rather sit on their but and not do anything, with idiot employees. But all I am saying is stop back and look most of us are highly stressed.

Bullsh!t. Get my order right burger boy.

Bullsh!t. Get my order right burger boy.

:rolleyes:

They are trained to ask these questions. If they refuse, they get fired. Now, you already knew that, so why are you ranting like that?
If they did not have to stress out having to remember what to say so not to get fired, Then they would have more time to get my order right and at least say THANK YOU.

they usually screw up my drink order i order a diet coke and it reg.coke .what's funny is your order can come to $3.76 you give them a $4.01so you can have a quarter instead of 24cents and it blows their mind .it takes them 5min. to figure out your change.


This also bothers me. I mean you train them to push things i dont want but, you can't train them to count change? They sould get fired for the change issue not the lack of forgetting to sale me something extra.

If they did not have to stress out having to remember what to say so not to get fired, Then they would have more time to get my order right and at least say THANK YOU.

Those are legitimate gripes, but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I will have to add: Look at the quality of applicants . Its not there anymore. In the 70's it was cool to work at McD's , now its beneath most younger ones. Thats way i get mad about people complaining about imagrants.The younger Americans do not want to work at a factory or fast food or crop picking ETC ETC. The jobs are here they are just not good enough for them , someone has to do it. Look how hard or parents worked.Do you think our generation works as hard? NO.And i am just as guilty.

OK, I am a GM for a Mcdonalds franchise, as I can not vouch for all McDonalds............

.........The average McDonald's Drive-thru lets through 95 cars in a 12pm-1pm lunch rush at an average time of 120 seconds................



Ok, now I know why my change is wrong too... :p