So the 8 floods, needs to warm up or your done, terrible fuel.

My questions is what are the negatives/postives of the 350Z and the G35?

Thanks guys

The 8 floods?? Mine never has!

You mean if I don't warm it up I'm done?? Done for what? Put a fork in me kinda done??

Terrible fuel??? 21+ hwy is bad for a sports car?? 17+ hard city driving bad for a sports car???

Jeez, if all this bothers you, buy a geo or toyota or something.

Originally posted by Sea Ray
The 8 floods?? Mine never has!

You mean if I don't warm it up I'm done?? Done for what? Put a fork in me kinda done??

Terrible fuel??? 21+ hwy is bad for a sports car?? 17+ hard city driving bad for a sports car???

Jeez, if all this bothers you, buy a geo or toyota or something.

I think he means that you need to warm up your Rotary engine before turning it off or you will increase the probability of flooding the engine. I hope that you knew that if you actually own an RX-8. I think he is also referring to the testamonials from other RX8 drivers who have found it difficult to attain the projected fuel mileage that Mazda stated.

As for Z disadvantages, as an owner I'd say:
Lack of rear seats and trunk space. I mean there is some space there in the back, but not a lot.
Tire feathering, it does cause a bit more interior road noise when slowing down below 30mph, but if you can live with that (like I can) then it's no big deal.
Poor rear 3/4 visibility b/c of the sloping fastback/hatch.
Ride is stiffer/harsher than the 8.
6600 RPM redline, although the massive amount of torque at low RPM's makes up for it.
Interior is very spartan and not refined.

duh!

Yes Zthang I know that, and so does everyone in the world by now. If you cannot accept the quirks of this engine, move on cause maybe this car is not for you. That is what I meant and many others who answer these questions.

Is Sea Ray for real?

The general public have some real issues with flooding and bad gas mileage. Guess he has some type of super RX8.

When did i say it bothers me? It doesn't. Its the "general" negatives of the car.

I'm wondering the "general" negatives of the 350Z and the G35.

If you can't answer that, please don't post. Thanks to anyone that is half educated that helps me.

Zthang-
my god thats one of the nicest cars i have ever seen ( in your pic). Any other pics of it you can share?
pm me some...if you have any.

I've never looked at any "decent" cars before and i just did my taxes and have my first $120,000 + year.

Instead of deciding on a Civic, i can actually investigate something with a little bit more class.

Originally posted by Sea Ray
duh!

Yes Zthang I know that, and so does everyone in the world by now. If you cannot accept the quirks of this engine, move on cause maybe this car is not for you. That is what I meant and many others who answer these questions.

Well, from your first post, I gathered that either:

1. You are really bad at being sarcastic

or

2. You really did not know about the flooding/gas mileage.

I picked #2...

Zthang, I plead quilty to being bad at being sarcastic.

And dustin I guess I am only half educated so don't read this :) And I suppose if I was shopping for my first real car I might go over it with a fine tooth comb also.

Originally posted by Dustin4u
Zthang-
my god thats one of the nicest cars i have ever seen ( in your pic). Any other pics of it you can share?
pm me some...if you have any.

I've never looked at any "decent" cars before and i just did my taxes and have my first $120,000 + year.

Instead of deciding on a Civic, i can actually investigate something with a little bit more class.

Here ya go, they're pics of the Z with the Nismo kit on.

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/zthang/z1.jpg

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/zthang/Nismo1.jpg

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/zthang/nismo.jpg

You forgot it drinks oil like gas.

2 things I don't like about the Z, Transmission vibration and it's heavy.

The one thing I'd mention about the Z which is why I primarily ruled it out... understeer.

That's about it. The looks are great on the outside and inside sure... can use some sprucing up but overall a decent package that would suck on Auto-X :(

Originally posted by Hercules
The one thing I'd mention about the Z which is why I primarily ruled it out... understeer.

That's about it. The looks are great on the outside and inside sure... can use some sprucing up but overall a decent package that would suck on Auto-X :(

It does have a slight understeer bias, but just punch the throttle a little in the middle of the turn and that rear will slide out so fast (almost too easily, i've gotten into trouble a couple of times doing this inadvertently). Although this still probably won't help in auto-x because you want to keep traction at all times ;) :D

does the nismo kit cost 4 or 5k like the mazdaspeed kit?

another problem with the Z, if you 6'6" all you can do is look at it. No thanks, I like driven my 8 and it looks better too.

Jerry:
different strokes for different folks...but the 350z looks WAY better then the RX-8.
The RX-8 is an awesome looking car...but the 350z WOW.
There both my dream cars hehe.
I need to make a decision this week.

Not to metion every ex-IROC driver and there brother will have a RX-8 by the summers end...with the cheap price tag...you know its going to happen.
There going to be like Civics....its to bad, but its so cheap so its bound to happen.

But once they figure out they flood, have to be warmed up, and get bad mileage, they will change their minds :)

Note: this was an attempt at being sarcastic :)

Originally posted by Dustin4u
Jerry:
different strokes for different folks...but the 350z looks WAY better then the RX-8.
The RX-8 is an awesome looking car...but the 350z WOW.
There both my dream cars hehe.
I need to make a decision this week.

Not to metion every ex-IROC driver and there brother will have a RX-8 by the summers end...with the cheap price tag...you know its going to happen.
There going to be like Civics....its to bad, but its so cheap so its bound to happen.
There are already a ton of 350Zs on the road. I know they have been out longer, but I don't see the RX8 being any more visible no matter how well they sell. Mazda's goal isn't to sell the same number of 8s as Honda does civics (I'm sure they would like it, but its not going to happen).

Not to mention that most muscler car drivers probably aren't going to want to a car that has a high reving, lower torque engine, IMO.

Originally posted by mikeb
does the nismo kit cost 4 or 5k like the mazdaspeed kit?

The real one does yes, but if you go over to www.my350z.com forum, just about every member there who has the kit gets the replica. It looks exactly the same and costs less than $1k with the spoiler. Take a look at the gallery over there, there are some nice kits.

Originally posted by cueball
There are already a ton of 350Zs on the road. I know they have been out longer, but I don't see the RX8 being any more visible no matter how well they sell. Mazda's goal isn't to sell the same number of 8s as Honda does civics (I'm sure they would like it, but its not going to happen).

Not to mention that most muscler car drivers probably aren't going to want to a car that has a high reving, lower torque engine, IMO.

Very true...i don't see the 8 being very common at all. Just being a rotary puts it in a small special niche in the marketplace.

Remember that these engines are hand-built in a clean room, so I just don't see mazda producing as many as Honda does civic engines. Not to mention the fact that extra engine will be built for racing teams and replacement engines, so the number of actual rx-8's built will be smaller than the number of engines built.

Originally posted by rabinabo
Remember that these engines are hand-built in a clean room, so I just don't see mazda producing as many as Honda does civic engines. Not to mention the fact that extra engine will be built for racing teams and replacement engines, so the number of actual rx-8's built will be smaller than the number of engines built.
Exactly what I mean.:)

Alright.
Looks like the major problems of the 350Z are Tire Feathering and grease on windows.

Really a shame that my 2 dream cars have some major issues they need to work out!

Slowly i will figure this car thing out!

Originally posted by Dustin4u
Alright.
Looks like the major problems of the 350Z are Tire Feathering and grease on windows.

Really a shame that my 2 dream cars have some major issues they need to work out!

Slowly i will figure this car thing out!

The tire feathering i understand, but i would not consider a small (approx. 1 cm thick on my car) line of grease that goes up your window a "major" problem.

Ya, the grease is nothing.
The tire feathering could be a serious issue though :(

Originally posted by Dustin4u
Ya, the grease is nothing.
The tire feathering could be a serious issue though :(

Sounds like the camber need to be less aggressive.

Originally posted by Dustin4u
Alright.
Looks like the major problems of the 350Z are Tire Feathering and grease on windows.

Really a shame that my 2 dream cars have some major issues they need to work out!

Slowly i will figure this car thing out!

The G35 coupe has the same grease on the windows problem. I traded mine in for an 8 recently. I really enjoyed the G35 while I had it, but it had its own share of drawbacks. The blindspots are huge. (The 8's are bad too but not quite as big) The drivers seat started rocking.(minor but annoying) The paint chips really easy. The is no head room in the back. (The 8 is much better in the back) And good luck finding a manual G35C for under 40k or wait times less than 5 months. 99% of the 6mt's listed on the infiniti web site are already sold.

Originally posted by Dustin4u
So the 8 floods, needs to warm up or your done, terrible fuel.

Thanks guys

this is complete and utter BS. 6000 miles, I have never flooded it, ever. I move my car completely cold out of the driveway to wash it. Then I pull it back. Never floods, ever. I constantly start and stop it. Never floods. EVER.

If you drive the car like a granny you get good gas mileage, if you hit it hard you get less than average (17 mpg). I would not call that terrible.

All cars flood, hell my friends V6 mustang flooded last month and he had the damn thing towed to a shop.

There are more threads on the 350Z forum about replaced transmissions than there are about gas mileage on this forum. You can start here:

http://my350z.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=823452&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending&pagenumber=1

Just browsing some of the threads I have found that some of the people are on the 2nd and 3rd transmission.

Originally posted by Mike Ockshuge
this is complete and utter BS. 6000 miles, I have never flooded it, ever. I move my car completely cold out of the driveway to wash it. Then I pull it back. Never floods, ever. I constantly start and stop it. Never floods. EVER.

If you drive the car like a granny you get good gas mileage, if you hit it hard you get less than average (17 mpg). I would not call that terrible.

All cars flood, hell my friends V6 mustang flooded last month and he had the damn thing towed to a shop.

It is no BS, it happens. Some more than others however some never had the problem, but most do.

Your friend should have pulled the spark plugs and unplug the fuse to the fuel pump. Cold crank it a couple times it should unload it. Also to make sure to get new plugs since the flooded ones are fouled.

Originally posted by Hanzo
It is no BS, it happens. Some more than others however some never had the problem, but most do.

Your friend should have pulled the spark plugs and unplug the fuse to the fuel pump. Cold crank it a couple times it should unload it. Also to make sure to get new plugs since the flooded ones are fouled.

I'm saying its BS because he said it as a fact, that if you start the car and stop it without warming up you WILL flood. Thats BS, if you want to come over to my house for some cookies and milk I will show you.

Again, i'm not saying that it hasn't happened with some cars, but its no more or less a problem than any other car.

One of the problem with the rotary and flooding is that unlike piston engines - it will not clear by itself by just sitting. De-flooding these two different engines must be done differently. In the past - the rotary engine had to be deflooded by pulling the pump fuse or pulling the plugs - sometimes even ATF was put in the engine to help. The RX-8 has a procedure to shut off the pump by flooring the gas when cranking - a simpler solution.

Still think Mazda has a way to fully address flooding - but with time.....

John

Just remember other cars don't have deflooding procedures in their manuals, what does that tell you.

I dont recall the owners manual having the word "FLooding" in it. I think they called it "emergency starting procedure".

I got lotsa cookies at home, let me know.

I have a six speed and it has never flooded on me .the automatic is where you have that problem ,so in a sports car who wants an automatic?I want power on demand

"emergency starting procedure" sure same thing.

To address some of the concerns regarding the G/Z:

1) Window grease: TSB for that has been out for 10 months. I took mine in during the 2nd oil change, fixed with no charge.

2) Understeer: If you autoX the car, it will understeer because of the stagger tires and weight. Change out the front tires to 235 and remove the front brace on the Z will make the car handle more neutral. One thing for sure, the G35C is not as nimble as the RX-8 on slaloms, but the lower end torque makes up for it coming out of corners. (just speaking from my AutoX experience) I am sure I am rubbing off a lot more brake pad and front tires than the RX-8's though. Then again, if you go into road racing.... power and mid-high speed grip becomes more valuable, and the G/Z will beat the RX-8.

3) Price: G35C manuals are still going for MSRP or maybe $1000 discount. The 350Z are discounted around $2-3k now. A 6MT RX-8 can be had for under $24k these days with CD changer, so there is definitely a price advantage.

4) Lack of headroom in the G35C: While the front seats are very generously portioned, the read headroom is pitiful in the G35C. I guess that's the price you pay for classic coupe profile. :p Who needs tall friends anyways. LOL

5) Gas milage: I don't know about the 350Z folks, I get around 18mpg in 'normal' city driving and well over 26mpg on highways. Consider the large displacement V6 and the power, it's not too bad IMO.

6) Aftermarket: The 350Z definitely has the most mods here, G35C owners can share around 80% of the Z mods. (short of the ECU, drive shaft and exhaust length) RX-8 has some promising mods coming out, but reliability may be an issue with FI rotaries. Not to say the Nissan VQ is doing much better, the Procharger has been blowing up some engines lately.

Thanks Skyline.

With my 10 hours of reading the 350z sites, looks like thats the way i'm going. Can't even really compare the 2 cars anyways.
Depends if you want a pure sports car or a sporty car.

Both amazing though! what a decision.

The 8 has been prone to flooding? Never seen it, guess I'm just lucky. Hey Dustin, don't forget that "mouth-piece" to save your teeth and tongue when driving home from the dealer, to say the Z has a firm ride is kind and that was in stock form.