i got this after i emailed mazda about the 6 cd changer,

Hi Nads,

In regards to your inquiry, the 6-CD changer is not part of the Bose
Premium Audio Package at this time. Please understand that accessories
are still under development, but there will be an announcement made in
March with more information.

Rest assured that customer feedback is very important to Mazda. I have
already forwarded your comments to those people in charge of RX-8
products. Please let me know if I can assist you further

Here's what I got:

Thank you for your interest in Mazda. I appreciate the opportunity to
respond to you.

It is my understanding that we will be offering a 6 disc CD changer as
an option, installed either at the dealership or port. However, we are
still finalizing the accessories and they will not be available until
it gets closer to the release date. I will check with my Product
Planning department and see if I can give you a more concrete answer.

I don't want a trunk mounted cd changer. It's lame.

Originally posted by Hercules
I don't want a trunk mounted cd changer. It's lame.

As I understand the accessory changer is supposed to be able to be put in the dash. I don't think Mazda USA has a firm grasp on what going to come in the cars just yet.

I just hope the whole issue will be resolved by the time we can actually place an order in Canada. I also agree with Herc regarding a trunk mounted CD changer - better than nothing but too inconvenient. :(

I listened to a Mazda6 with a Bose system that had a 6-disk cd changer in dash.

Originally posted by Buger
I listened to a Mazda6 with a Bose system that had a 6-disk cd changer in dash.
And what are your thoughts regarding the sound quality?

Originally posted by Hercules
I don't want a trunk mounted cd changer. It's lame. I'd rather had a trunk mounted magazine-loaded changer. I think having to carry out 6 CDs in the jewel cases, load them one-by-one in a slot loaded changer, and then having to find a place to stash the jewel cases is just as lame as having to deal with a single CD player.

---jps

I rarely, if ever, have jewel cases in my car. I just have one of those notebook type cd cases with the pages that hold the disks. I think it holds a hundred disks and stashes away under the passenger seat.

I find I never change the disks in a trunk mounted cd changer and begin to get tired of my music.

Originally posted by dancefreak
I rarely, if ever, have jewel cases in my car. I just have one of those notebook type cd cases with the pages that hold the disks. I think it holds a hundred disks and stashes away under the passenger seat... And if that works for you, then cool. But it's just as inconvenient for me to load up a CD caddy in the house, and then load up a slot-loaded changer. And that's not even considering all of the scratches that can get on a CD that way. And since the car is not the only place I listen to CDs, I don't want to keep a whole bunch of them stashed in my car (especially since they're alot more vulnerable to theft in the car).

But that's for me and my situation.

---jps

All I can say is that if the center console in the cars being built for the US is the same one shown in the press kit, then the car will have a CD Changer of some sort in it. There isn't a CD Changer button on it, only a CD button. And the station preset buttons 1 and 2 are also labeled "DISK" with up and down arrows.

Logic would therefore suggest that it is coming with the RX-8's but whether it actually makes it to the US is another issue entirely.

Hopefully Mazda will be respectful of the showing of all of its Rotary fan's pre-orders and build the car to be competitive among the other cars in its class when it comes to options packages.

-Quick

I emailed my concerns about the CD player to my MAZDAUSA RX8 customer service rep and got this response:

"The in-dash CD player for the RX-8 is a single CD player. I apologize that it is not a 6 Disc player, but the 6 Disc player is an optional accessory. In addition, there will be no additional options available other than the Navigation System. "

asking for clarification on whether 6-disc was an option or not an option for the pre-orders, she responded:

"The 6 Disc CD player is an accessory only, it would have to be purchased through the dealership, and the dealership would install it. It will be available to anyone who purchases an RX-8, as an accessory though the dealer. The dealer would have to advise you of the price once the product is available. We currently have no MSRP for it. "

Guess we're dealing with Apples (accessories) and Oranges (options) here:D

I put in my plug this ought to be a reward/bonus to those of us with enough faith to have already ordered the RX8 since it was not an option on the pre-order list. My suggestion has been forwarded to the "Product Planning Department"

According to Mazda Canada Product Information Bulletin all RX-8 trim models will have Bose sound system with 6 disc changer as standard equipment!

See my thread in the regional Canadian forum.

This is past the point of obscene.

If the rest of the world is getting a 6 CD changer standard, why doesn't the US as well?

Email rx8orders@mazdausa.com and complain. I am going to send a second email with more harsh language (not abusive), just to make my point that it's VERY unfair to get a car that is subpar to the rest of the world, especially when the US is going to be the bulk of the order placers for the RX-8.

Throw us a bone here Mazda. This is wrong!

Sorry Herc... I didn't mean to upset you!!! :D

Originally posted by ZoomZoom
Sorry Herc... I didn't mean to upset you!!! :D hehe, just struck a nerve... about the same topic it did last time! :)

Originally posted by Hercules
This is past the point of obscene.

If the rest of the world is getting a 6 CD changer standard, why doesn't the US as well?

Email rx8orders@mazdausa.com and complain. I am going to send a second email with more harsh language (not abusive), just to make my point that it's VERY unfair to get a car that is subpar to the rest of the worldI did exactly that. Here's the (edited) response:Thank you again for contacting Mazda North American Operations.

I can definitely understand your dissatisfaction. I will let our Product Planning Department be aware of your comments. Please understand that your comments have been documented for our corporate record. We continuously evaluate these records as part of our ongoing commitment to provide only the highest quality products and services.

Original Message Follows:
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I was annoyed to discover today that both Canada and Europe get a 6-disc changer as standard equipment. Please pass along my dissatisfaction that American purchasers appear to be getting an inferior equipment level than the rest of the world.

Yeah that is absolutely ridiculous.

You would think given the fact that they stand to sell more in the states than they do anywhere else, we would be getting all the bells and whistles.

I just hope that all in all Mazda doesn't screw this up and start pushing back delivery dates on the loyal customers who were the first to place their orders when they started taking them on the 8th.

I mean in all honesty it is a big commitment to go on blind faith and agree to drop upwards of $30,000 on a car you have never seen, in anything other than pictures, let alone driven.

My .02 to MAZDAUSA RX8orders:

There is a growing global community of soon to be RX8 owners sharing information about our new cars. And one very disappointing tid bit I just found out is that Mazda Canada and Mazda Europe are including the 6 disc CD as "standard equipment". And (per our previous communication) Mazda USA doesn't even think it should be included in the Grand Touring Package? This seems very unfair! I can tell you the US rotary enthusiasts are very unhappy if their forum posts are anything to go by.

My Customer Rep's reply:

Hi Carl,

I certainly understand your disappointment about Mazda USA not offering the 6 Disc CD changer as standard equipment. There are several factors why it could be offered as standard equipment in Canada and Europe, the pricing may be different, not as strict safety standards, etc.

I have documented all of your comments and have forwarded them to our Product Planning department. If anything changes I will send you an e-mail.

Again, please let me know if there is anything further I can assist you with.

Whether you like the answer or not, I think the RX8order reps are doing a great job in responding to our questions/concerns. Replies have always been prompt. I still hold out a glimmer of hope that at least some of the option packages will include the 6-disc by the time they arrive. ;)

I most heartedly agree that the six CD Changer should be part of the Bose Package. Not only is it part of the canadian Bose Package but my wife's new Mazda6 Bose system has it included (and 200 watts to boot vs 100 watts!). The new 2003 Miata SE also has the six CD Changer.
Given that the RX-8 is more expensive than both the Mazda6 and the SE Mita, it of all cars should have the player. What gives???:mad: :mad: :mad:

the SE Mita, :D

This is the response I recievced from them

I appreciate the opportunity to respond to you.

In regards to your e-mail, all decisions regarding the 2004 Mazda RX-8
are made by our Product Planning department. Rest assured that a 6-CD
player will be available as a Mazda dealer-installed accessory. More
information regarding the RX-8 accessories will be available later this
month.

In the meantime, please understand that consumer feedback is vital to
Mazda. I have documented your e-mail comments for the corporate record,
which is continuously reviewed in an effort to provide only the highest
quality products to our consumers. I have also taken the liberty of
forwarding a copy directly to our Product Planning department.

Please let me know if there is anything else I can do.

Again, thank you for contacting Mazda. It has been my pleasure to assist you.

Best regards,

Ashley Inman
Specialist, Customer Assistance E-Business

Rotorgeek,

In case you missed the other thread, it appears that a 6-disc in-dash changer will be standard according to Road and Track.

That might not suit everyone but it is included standard with the car. I would guess that you still might be able to integrate an external changer but I'm not sure.

-Mr. Wigggles

These are the specs from a Canadian RX-8 for the sound system and it is in both models!

AM/FM stereo with 6 disc in dash CD changer, clock with built in audio display, and Bose Premium sound system( includes 9 speakers)

Hope this helps!!

JayDee

In case you missed the other thread, it appears that a 6-disc in-dash changer will be standard according to Road and Track.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the RX-8 specs from Mazda North America won't be available until later this month (March).

How would R&T know what the standard equipment is? Did I miss something?

Originally posted by eccles
If the rest of the world is getting a 6 CD changer standard, why doesn't the US as well?


Ah, but your cars are cheaper. ;) A base UK 6-speed (no leather, no nav, no sunroof, no metallic paint) is UK£21,995, ~US$35,000.

I'm half-joking though, everything is more expensive over here as you may know, so it's hard to make an accurate comparison.

There are some other slight options differences as well, e.g.
Xenon is standard on the 6-speed here, option in US IIRC.

if a six disc changer, perferably indash isnt included witht he GT package, im liable to cancel my order upon delivery.

i could probably get a car with one standard that is probably better made and around the same price with a much higher status level, that i could also test drive.

Originally posted by P00Man
if a six disc changer, perferably indash isnt included witht he GT package, im liable to cancel my order upon delivery.

i could probably get a car with one standard that is probably better made and around the same price with a much higher status level, that i could also test drive.
Wow, the lack of a 6-disc CD changer is a deal breaker? I REALLY want one, but it won't impact my purchase. But hey, it's your car. You need to get what makes you happy.

So, what other "better made" cars in the same price range are you considering?

Sorry about being SLIGHTLY off topic here, but does it not seem as though the Canadian version will be very similar to the Europe version rather than US version?

We in Canada get the headlight pissers and the 6disc changer standard.

Apparently Canadian car buyers dislike too many options etc. Manufacturers in Canada seem to give us less choice but a better deal.

IE. We get a base GS or upper GT model only options are sunroof and nav.

Only real difference in the 2 are leather xenon headlamps and a few other things. Manual and auto are the same price.

Personally, the 6CD would be nice; but the car is the best part of getting an RX-8 - it's like someone posted on the Europe forum in response to what gifts are available - something to the effect of for x pounds (+/- = $26000) postage and handling he's heard you get a free car.

thats a nifty way to look at it

I complained to Mazda quite a while ago upon hearing about the lack of a 6-disc changer. I think it is a huge slap in the face to those of us who pre-ordered our FULLY LOADED RX-8s with PREMIUM BOSE stereo system. Was it unreasonable of us to expect that there would be 6-disc changer in the premium audio system? I naturally assumed there would be one, and had enough LOYALTY to Mazda to order without even having final specs released. My assumption was based on images of the front panel with the 1-6 and the Disc ^ and DISC v buttons. But no, it seems that PREMIUM means they added a couple of speakers (are we even getting a more powerful amp?).

We went out of our way to show our support for Mazda through the pre-order program. I don't think we should be getting the shaft. It doesn't seem fair that the U.S. would get shortchanged on the CD changer, but it is especially unfair to the pre-ordering community who demonstrated their good faith and will be the first ones to showcase the RX-8 to the public.

I too sent a nasty note to rx8orders@mazdausa.com. I would encourage as many of us to send emails to rx8orders@mazdausa.com, maybe then they will act.

Original Message to -- rx8orders@mazdausa.com --

Please pass this along to someone who gives a damn about those of us that have preordered a near $30, 000 new car without the benefit of being able to see, touch or test drive a sample.

There is great chatter on the rx8forums about the LACK of the 6 CD changer. See www.rx8forums.com

This option is available in the lesser vehicle, the Mazda6.

Why is it not available to those of us that have preordered?

One would think that Mazda could offer some "goodies" to those of us that have committed to this vehicle sight unseen. I would venture to say that there is NOT one person that is pre-ordering that would not want the 6 CD changer. It would be an insult to us early adopters to offer this as an option just after the pre-orders are delivered.

I suggest that Mazda should be thankful that there are significant numbers of us willing to pre-order and reward us with some "extras" as a show of appreciation. If not the much wanted 6 CD changer, then a steep discount on the upgrade when it becomes available.

Mazda Marketing should also consider including a "Welcome Package" with each pre-order car, including items with the RX-8 logo like; key fob, can coolers, sun shade, production photos, anything cool with the RX-8 logo.

For your consideration,

Ned

Response Message Follows:------------------------

Hello Ned,

Thank you for your interest in Mazda. I appreciate the opportunity to respond to you.

I am pleased that you took the time to bring your suggestions regarding the 2004 Mazda RX-8 to our attention. Consumer feedback is very important to Mazda. Certainly, we want to offer exciting vehicles, and comments such as yours help us to achieve that goal.

Your suggestions have been documented for our corporate record. These records are continuously being reviewed by our Product Planning Department in an effort to provide only the highest quality products and services to our customers.

I hope this information is useful. Please let me know if there is
anything additional I can assist you with.

Again, thank you for your interest in Mazda. It has been my pleasure to assist you. If for any reason this response has not completely satisfied you, please feel free to reply to this message. You may also contact our Customer Assistance Center toll-free at 1-800-222-5500.

Regards,

Originally posted by nhuhta
...Response Message Follows:------------------------

Hello Ned,

Thank you for your interest in Mazda. I appreciate the opportunity to respond to you.

I am pleased that you took the time to bring your suggestions regarding the 2004 Mazda RX-8 to our attention. Consumer feedback is very important to Mazda. Certainly, we want to offer exciting vehicles, and comments such as yours help us to achieve that goal.

Your suggestions have been documented for our corporate record. These records are continuously being reviewed by our Product Planning Department in an effort to provide only the highest quality products and services to our customers.

I hope this information is useful. Please let me know if there is
anything additional I can assist you with.

Again, thank you for your interest in Mazda. It has been my pleasure to assist you. If for any reason this response has not completely satisfied you, please feel free to reply to this message. You may also contact our Customer Assistance Center toll-free at 1-800-222-5500.

Regards, Is it me, or does that sound like a "form" response?

---jps

I think it's safe to say all of us who have sent an email to rxorders has received the same reply. The only differnce is that sometimes between the first 'paragraph' and 2nd there is sometimes a personal response added. Usually I get one - like in reference to the watch, to the RX8 ball, making suggestions in the website - but not every time.

Originally posted by nhuhta
I too sent a nasty note to rx8orders@mazdausa.com. I would encourage as many of us to send emails to rx8orders@mazdausa.com, maybe then they will act.



I don't advocate the nastygrams. Something about 'trapping flies with honey' comes to mind. I tried to be diplomatic about the issue and point out to them that many of us were misled by the apparent support for a changer because of the button labelling. Also the obvious assumption about a premium sound system upgrade having the changer. I think if we can point out to them that we are loyalists who only had to go on 'scrounged' info as a basis for our preorders, it will be more effective.

I have to agree with Khoney, and as someone who gets a lot of customer service letters. It doesn't help to be rude when you do send comments, at worst, they won't get to where they're directed just because they're rude, and at best, they are most likely passed around the department you send them to so everyone can laugh at the "jerk" who sent it.

I do hope we get the 6-cd changer, however.

I must agree with you guys.

I was at a point of frustration and poorly communicated my frustration to rx8orders. By the stock response I received from rx8orders, I must concur with “khoney” that my letter was most likely ineffective. I would also encourage others to write rx8orders with more rational and diplomatic requests/inquiries as outlined by “khoney” and others.

I have confirmed that all Canadian models with “Premium” sound systems will be getting the 6 disc changer. http://www.mazda.ca/eng/down_the_road/rx8_2002/rx8.htm View features PDF, 1st item under interior features AM/FM stereo w/ 6 disc in-dash CD changer, clock w/built in audio display, and BOSE premium audio sound system (includes 9 speakers) Standard on both models!

If one of you is a wordsmith, please draft up a sample email that we can send in-mass to rx8orders.

How about this? Feel free to edit, adjust, or mock as needed.

To Whom It May Concern:
It is on behalf of the RX-8 preorder community that I write to you regarding a potential issue. In many press and Mazda-released photos, a 6-CD in-dash changer was shown installed in the car, and given the lack of official information during the preorder period, it was difficult, if not impossible, to verify its presence in the final production model.

As of recently I have come to the understanding that a 6-CD changer will be offered only as an extra-charge, dealer-installed option. I am thus led to question the logic of Mazda North America's Product Planning Department: models destined for Europe, and even Canada, include the changer as standard. Why should American buyers, especially those who ordered and placed a deposit on the vehicle in blind faith, be forced to pay extra for this option, even if the premium audio system is ordered? Similar vehicles such as Infiniti's G35 Coupe include a 6-CD changer standard. It would seem logical that the RX-8 include one to remain competitive in this market segment, especially as a new entrant.

(Optional Addition: )
Furthermore, it has not yet been made clear whether automatic climate control is included in the American version of the RX-8. At present, it appears that it will not; though European vehicles seem to include it. If only standard air conditioning is included, then climate control is but another attractive premium option removed from the US-spec RX-8.

I'd like to formally request that Mazda North America reconsider its packaging and specifications for the US-spec RX-8. Many desirable features in the car have been stripped out for the American version, despite the fact that the bulk of its sales will likely occur here. Please don't leave American buyers in the lurch! We value premium features in our vehicles and it is my opinion that the Product Planning department may be making a grave marketing mistake in the decision to omit the 6-CD changer and climate control from the American-spec RX-8.

Regards,

Sign Here

WoW!!! You are a wordsmith.

That was exactly what I was referring to.

If you are not in the PR business, you should be.

I'll be making my slight personal changes and sending it off to rx8orders@mazdausa.com tomorrow. It will be interesting to see if all of the answers come back with the same exact verbage.

Ned.

Hey laferle

I used your letter. This is the response

Thank you for contacting Mazda North American Operations. I appreciate
the opportunity to respond to you.

At this time, as you stated, the 6-CD changer is not a standard feature
on the RX-8. However, it will be offered as an accessory. Also,
regarding the Automatic Climate Control, this is not part of the RX-8.
The air conditioner is standard, but not the Automatic Climate
Control.

I am pleased you took the time to bring your suggestion regarding RX-8
to our attention. Consumer feedback is always very important to Mazda.
Certainly, we want to offer exciting vehicles, and comments such as
yours help us to achieve that goal. I will forward your suggestions to
our Product Planning Department.

Again, thank you for contacting Mazda. It has been my pleasure to
assist you. If for any reason this response has not completely
satisfied you, please feel free to reply to this message. You may also
contact our Customer Assistance Center toll-free at 1-800-222-5500.

Originally posted by RotorGeek
Hey laferle

I used your letter. This is the response

Thank you for contacting Mazda North American Operations. I appreciate
the opportunity to respond to you.

At this time, as you stated, the 6-CD changer is not a standard feature
on the RX-8. However, it will be offered as an accessory. Also,
regarding the Automatic Climate Control, this is not part of the RX-8.
The air conditioner is standard, but not the Automatic Climate
Control.

I am pleased you took the time to bring your suggestion regarding RX-8
to our attention. Consumer feedback is always very important to Mazda.
Certainly, we want to offer exciting vehicles, and comments such as
yours help us to achieve that goal. I will forward your suggestions to
our Product Planning Department.

Again, thank you for contacting Mazda. It has been my pleasure to
assist you. If for any reason this response has not completely
satisfied you, please feel free to reply to this message. You may also
contact our Customer Assistance Center toll-free at 1-800-222-5500.

No CD-Changer AND no Climate Control. WTF!?!?!?? I am paying $33,000 for this friggin car! What a rip... I am extremely disappointed. I may be reconsidering my order... Not just because we will not be getting these features, but apparently Mazda does not value the American market as much as they should. Or maybe they just figure they can squeez a few more bucks out of Americans for the same features that are offered elsewhere at no additional cost... sad day.

maybe climate control is GT package only?
anyway, im seriously considering canceling my order

I love sooo many other things about the 8 that this will not effect me in the least bit. I want a Rotary, with 4 seats. The rest is a nice bonus

Originally posted by JTek_55


No CD-Changer AND no Climate Control. WTF!?!?!?? I am paying $33,000 for this friggin car! What a rip... I am extremely disappointed. I may be reconsidering my order... Not just because we will not be getting these features, but apparently Mazda does not value the American market as much as they should. Or maybe they just figure they can squeez a few more bucks out of Americans for the same features that are offered elsewhere at no additional cost... sad day.
Actually, we can't say these items are being included on other models at no additional cost. It's difficult to compare costs from one country to another. Maybe other countries ARE paying more for their cars.

Part of the appeal of the RX-8 is the cost. There are definitely compromises in this car. If they need to exclude a few "luxury" items to keep the cost down -- GREAT!!! I can still afford the car.

youve gotta be kidding me, this car is costing me 35+k after tax title and liscense, i put down a deposit in "blind faith" thinkning the car would be worth around that much. The pictures surely included all those nice things. I highly doubt that these things will be added on as we are just a few months from the date these cars sail into port.

Considering im paying 33100 for this car MSRP, 35k+ with T,T,L and it lacks these basic amenities, i am very dissapointed i am very strongly considering getting a fully loaded Volvo V70 coupe (around 50,000 dollars) for 32k, as it is a discontinued 2002 model, but still brand new, with every desriable option, and a much higher social status.

This is truly upsetting.

I am almost positive im going to get the c70 coupe, which i dont even have to wait 3 months for..... this is truly upsetting.....

The C70 is really sweet :)

I like that car a lot.. and I'm not much a Volvo fan either. Only thing you'll miss out on is the handling, and that's something I crave having driven cars that are just not cutting it :)

I have not decided yet, but if I do cancel I will be getting a 2003 SVT Cobra without a doubt. I drove that car before I found out about the 8 and I will just say: The raw speed is soooo nice. It is the fastest car I have ever driven by far...

Yeah the SVT is a fast car, but I can't live with that interior. It looks soooo 10 years ago.

I know it does look old... :( But at least the SVT is not as bad as a regular GT. It has leather/suede seats, boost guage, electro-luminescent guages and cobra shifter. It's not the greatest interior ever but the engine makes up for all of it's drawbacks... beleive me.

Ohhhh I know the engine. My friend test drove the SVT. He loves Stangs. I just think the 8 is more of a complete package, But I am not looking at Pure Speed which the SVT has plenty of.

My 2cent

Hate to distract any by going back to the thread subject, but I just saw something interesting. On the Europe forum there is a thread about 'knobs' - they've posted a pic of the stereo and air controls from I think the US website Mazda gallery, and another from the Geneva show. About 4 labeling differences are seen. Scan for the stereo on the Geneva version has 3 buttons, fan speed is labeled 1 - 4 on the US, etc. One smal diff : both have the common "CD" label on the right side of the stereo face. BUT the Geneva unit has a "6CD" label on the left side. Both have the "load" button - so the real indicator of what is inside seems to be that left hand small 6CD label. Stay tuned for more - someday soon I think we'll know what we get here!

Ok, I might get flamed for this, but I CANNOT believe people would cancel an order over not being able to put 5 more CDs in the dash. Seriously, this car is a SPORTS car with four seats.

Please, go get a VOLVO and don't pretend to be a sports car enthusiast. I'm not saying the C70 isn't nice, but stop whining and do it already. It might fit your status need a little more also.

Man, the Cobra is just mean, but the 8 and the Cobra are totally different cars. Surprised you would really compare them, even if C&D does. If you really like the Cobra, I'm not sure if you would love the RX-8. Which I think is important when buying a fairly expensive car.

Maybe I'm a little biased, I used to have an S2000 and that car has nothing compared to what the RX-8 will have amenities wise. But you know what, everyone bought that car for what it could do, not what it couldn't. If you can't be happy because you can't shuffle your music, please cancel, and go get that C70. Oh, and you only get a 3cd changer, will that be enough?

Sorry for being harsh, but know what the car is about before you put a deposit down!!

ERIK

Originally posted by erik
Ok, I might get flamed for this, but I CANNOT believe people would cancel an order over not being able to put 5 more CDs in the dash. Seriously, this car is a SPORTS car with four seats.

Please, go get a VOLVO and don't pretend to be a sports car enthusiast. I'm not saying the C70 isn't nice, but stop whining and do it already. It might fit your status need a little more also.

Man, the Cobra is just mean, but the 8 and the Cobra are totally different cars. Surprised you would really compare them, even if C&D does. If you really like the Cobra, I'm not sure if you would love the RX-8. Which I think is important when buying a fairly expensive car.

Maybe I'm a little biased, I used to have an S2000 and that car has nothing compared to what the RX-8 will have amenities wise. But you know what, everyone bought that car for what it could do, not what it couldn't. If you can't be happy because you can't shuffle your music, please cancel, and go get that C70. Oh, and you only get a 3cd changer, will that be enough?

Sorry for being harsh, but know what the car is about before you put a deposit down!!

ERIK

You may some good points in your post and I agree with them fully. However, I am not considering cancelling my order because of some stupid CD changer. I am not cancelling my order because of the lack of climate control either. What I said was that I was thinking of canceling my order due to Mazda's apparent view of their customers. It seems that they are using some packages here, and some different packages over there. And oh yeah, if you want what they got for free, you are gonna have to pay for it.

My point basically is this. I don't want to go to the dealership once the car gets here and they say: Ok, your car is here and with the equipment you want (CD Changer, Climate Control, S03 tires), your total price comes to 35,600 dollars while other countries get these things at no extra cost. (except the tires)

Don't think it could happen? The price of my car is already at $33,100. You don't think that all of those options could cost me another $2500? Bet on it.

As far as the Cobra goes, I know they are two completely different cars, but I really like each of them for different reasons. I like the RX-8 for:

1)Styling
2)Rotary power
3)Smoothness of engine
4)9000 RPM redline and 10k fuel cut-off
5)Luxury of interior and features (Exactly what I meantioned above)
6)Practicality

I like the Cobra for:

1)390 break-neck horsepower
2)390 break-neck torque
3)Mustang (SVT Cobra) heritage
4)Easy to work on engine
5)Tried and true platform as opposed to a completely new chassis, engine and suspension. (Like the RX-8)

Now it should be easy to tell that I like the RX-8 much more as an all around package, but I refuse to pay thru the nose for it just because I live in NA.



-PS Sorry for the long post.

I think the 6 CD changer would be a nice gift to all the pre-orderers! Hehehe.. come on Mazda.. it cares to share.

I wasn't really shooting at you JTek. I see your points, but I think that happens with a lot of cars. I don't really know, so I'm not going to say I do.

About climate control, I don't think that would be an easy an addon once they got here. But again, I have no idea. And the changer, I see that whole console as one integrated piece. I have a feeling the radio is blended in with the HVAC (that's what it looks like to me from the pictures), I think we'll find that the changer will be there when we get them, or we won't get the chance to have it (or you're right, it will be expensive). I'll probably be wrong, but it won't be the first time.

I wish I knew why these parts are not being offered to the US. Also, it's tough to compare the finances of other countries. I have a feeling Mazda does not want to see another RX-7 happen here. A great car that nobody buys because of it's price. So they want to keep the price down as much as possible. It's all speculation, but it bothers me when someone buys a car to impress his friends!!

And again, that Cobra is MEAN!! :cool: You won't go wrong going with the Cobra, I'm sure.

ERIK

Originally posted by JTek_55
other countries get these things at no extra cost.

$7,800 is "no extra cost"? You can see what I'm getting for my money here

http://www.mazdarx8.co.uk/upclose/specs/default.asp

but it looks to me like you're getting rather a good deal.

Well isnt that special.... lucky dudes.

I am getting the grand touring edition and I really don't know the total price of it. I am guessing around 35 and up. Wish they make it a little cheaper on the top edition, heck I could get a used M3 or used zo6.

What you guys need to do is compare the complete vehicle content list for what is included in each country. Yes some markets may get things that are options here in the US, but they may have to pay for what we get as standard equipment. I think that Mazda wanted to control the costs of the RX-8 and that means leaving somethings as options that you would like to see as standard equipment. When comparing the RX-8 against 350Z, G35 and other "sports cars" you will see that you are getting value for your dollar.

With no dealer "market adjustment" or other type of price increase, the MSRP for a GT is 31,100; add 2000 w/ Nav; subtract some for auto (800) for 30,300.

i think it's more than what the car doesn't have in the states. the problem is what some people (including me) consider to be bad faith on mazda's part. many people pre-ordered the car on blind faith. the various cars and pictures of cars that were available to us at the deadline for pre-ordering showed certain amenities, including the changer and the climate control. but now as we get closer to our cars thing are disappearing. the cd changer can be added later for a price, maybe. but many people were led to believe they were getting in the bose package. there was a pic taken at the detroit or tokyo show in 2002 which listed a cd changer as part of the specs. of course that was a long time ago and things change. i don't see how automatic climate control can be added later and again we were led to believe it was there because of statements and photos from mazda. it seems that the lack of definitive info at the time of ordering is the real problem. mazda could be doing better at keeping people informed.

true.. and seeing as a bunch of our cars are already being built, shouldnt they know by now what's in them?

I think someone needs to send Mazda another email :p

Originally posted by RX-Nut
I think someone needs to send Mazda another email :p

i would do it but they said they won't answer me any more:

"As the matters involved in your inquiries will now be
best handled at the dealership level, any further e-mails to this
department will be documented, without response, for corporate record only. "
:(

i have another idea though. i will work on it and get back to you folks ;) :cool:

have questions you need answers for? can't get them from your dealer or by emailing rx8orders@mazdausa.com? write them down and save them. you will have your chance in a couple of days;) hint hint stay tuned
:cool:

hmm, know something we dont? do tell! PM me I promise I wont blab hehe

they will throw in the cd changer cuz I KNOW they will....;)

sure hope so!

zooom44 - don't hold out on us...what's coming up??

Originally posted by zoom44
you will have your chance in a couple of days;) hint hint stay tuned:cool:

At least let us know what day or how long we have to wait?

don't know yet still working on it. you'll know as soon as i know;)

Did anyone notice that In dash 6CD Changer is now available as a $500 option? :mad: Goto the http://www2.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/rx8/index.jsp to check it out.

We get it in Canada standard, WOOHOO!

Originally posted by chenpin
Did anyone notice that In dash 6CD Changer is now available as a $500 option? :mad: Goto the http://www2.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/rx8/index.jsp to check it out.

Not only is it a $500 option. You don't even get to keep your normal CD player. That is to say the changer is $500 more than the single disc. RIP OFF!!!

Well, the good news is that it is probably a high margin item for the dealer and considering most pre-order folks have already negotiated price. You can approach your dealer like this:

"You want to make a quick $50 bucks? Add the changer to my order for $450." (I'm guessing that the changer is no more than a $400 dealer option. Edmund's should have dealer costs posted soon.)

Not that $450 is that much better; but it is starting to sound a little more reasonable.

-Mr. Wigggles

can we add options at the dealer if we are in the first group. I want the spoiler and a few other options.

Originally posted by colin204
can we add options at the dealer if we are in the first group. I want the spoiler and a few other options.

i don't see why not, they are listed as port installed options and the cars have not reached port yet. go talk to your dealer =)

certain can and cannot be installed at dealer. according to mazda, the nav cannt be added at dealer, however, the rotary pkg and 6 cd changer can be.. I emailed them and asked :D

They also said an MP3 is available and can also be installed at the dealer. Although they didnt describe the player, I sent them another email asking the deal on the MP3 player. Will post back when I hear from them.

from mazda..


You can not have MP3 player and the 6-CD player at same time. You would have to choose one or the other. The 6-CD player can only play audio CDs and the MP3 player can play MP3 files and audio CDs.

The estimate Manufacture Suggested Retail Price for the 6-CD changer is approximately $530 and for the MP3 player is approximately $350. Please keep in mind that this is only estimated MSRP price. The official price has not been determined and the estimate price may change.

The official price has not been determined and the estimate price may change.

what the hell are they talking about? the price is on the website!!

leaving room to gouge of course heheh

Just wondering, has anyone asked if the 6-disc changer will still cost about $500 if we buy it outright after purchase of the vehicle? I figure I can try the single-disc unit for a while, SINCE MAZDA IS SCREWING THE PRE_ORDER LOYALISTS (sorry, just had to say that :D), and if it's too much of a hassle I can get the 6-disc unit later.

yea I do feel a bit screwed ...

but my take is getting the MP3 player because its cheaper than the 6CD.. plus you can stick more MP3s on 1 disc than you could tracks on 6 discs.

Originally posted by RX-Nut
yea I do feel a bit screwed ...




what are you complaining about my hawaiin freind? you didn't even really order a car!:p :D :p

Hahahaha, you know what.. you are EXACTLY right muhahah...

maybe not screwed.. jaded perhaps. :D

LOL... not that you haven't had your own string of problems.

btw what island do you live on? i spent a couple of weeks on kauai a few years ago and it was one of the best places i have ever been. i have been to oahu also but kauai was our honeymoon so that made it even better:D

On Oahu.. glad to hear ya liked the islands. Yes, it's a great place.. expensive as s#it.. but you cant beat the atmosphere, weather, or chickies.. hehehe.

Yup, Kauai is one of the nicer "homey" laid back islands.. more greenland than Oahu. As Oahu is Waikiki-ized.. :)

Originally posted by RX-Nut
but my take is getting the MP3 player because its cheaper than the 6CD.. plus you can stick more MP3s on 1 disc than you could tracks on 6 discs. Amen. As long as it can read CD-RW's, so I can change my driving mix as easily as swapping out one of the disks in a changer.

I already have all 500+ CD's in our collection ripped to my server - burning a custom MP3 CD-ROM will be a whole lot more convenient than digging through the racks to find a half dozen CD's.

Originally posted by eccles
Amen. As long as it can read CD-RW's, so I can change my driving mix as easily as swapping out one of the disks in a changer.

I already have all 500+ CD's in our collection ripped to my server - burning a custom MP3 CD-ROM will be a whole lot more convenient than digging through the racks to find a half dozen CD's.

Just curious, eccles - how much hard disc did that require? Maybe MP3's the way to go for me too.

Mp3s all depend on the bit rate u encode it at. 128, 160, 192, etc... depending on the bit rate the sizes differ from about 3mbs up. Also depending on the length of the track. That being said about 4 to 7mbs per track is what your looking at. Cds have the ability to hold 700mbs if you don't take overburning into account. so about 100 - 170 tracks per CD, which is obviously alot more then a 6disk CD changer. The problem I have with mp3 cd players is that most of them take forever to load at the beginning because they have to scan through the CD before playing. Another problem is with so many avaliable tracks its hard to find the song you want to hear unless you have alot of organizing skills and categorize your songs by artist, genre, or what ever. I wonder how the mp3 cd player on the rx8 is going to be though. If it loads quick I will most likely take that over a 6disc cd changer expecially with the difference in price.

Originally posted by khoney
Just curious, eccles - how much hard disc did that require? Maybe MP3's the way to go for me too. Our MP3 repository is currently at around 50GB.

I tend to rip at high bitrates, since we play the MP3's on the good gear at home as well as in the car. If you only want to play them in the car, where high fidelity is somewhat of an oxymoron, you could easily rip them at a lower bit rate, thus needing less storage on your PC. With hard disks being so cheap these days, that's not so much of an issue, but a lower bit rate would also allow you to fit more on a single CD-ROM.

Well, the good news is that it is probably a high margin item for the dealer...
I spoke with my dealer last night and he claims the dealer cut is 8% on accessories including the 6 CD changer.

has anyone asked if the 6-disc changer will still cost about $500 if we buy it outright after purchase of the vehicle?
He further advised if I was considering the 6CD changer to definitely get it as a port option. If purchased later, the labor to install will add $250 minimum. This is based on their experience with adding the changer to other Mazdas and amount of disassembly required to swap the modules.

if it comes to the port with the single player, what do they do with them when they put in the changer? send them back? or does it get to the port without any module there?

Originally posted by zoom44
if it comes to the port with the single player, what do they do with them when they put in the changer? send them back? or does it get to the port without any module there?

It is quite possible that they are added at the port. Hadn't thought about it. I'll have to see if my dealer happens to know.

Has there been any information about the CD/mp3 player? If the option isnt port installed then are the dealers going to kill me with their labor charges?

When you say installed at port.. who is doing the install if its not the dealer?

Seems to be much more happening at the port than unloading our cars and trucking them to the dealer. I never realized that emissions equipment is added at the port. And the car has to pass emissions inspection or it doesn't leave the port. I think he initially said the car may be at the port up to two weeks. (Dealer told me that MPV did not pass when it first came over. They were all held at ports until Mazda reworked design and got new parts there to install and get emission approvals.)

Whether the work is done by Mazda employees or contracted out to some company that works on several or all the imports, I don't know. I would tend to think the contract route (and a Mazda Quality Control inspector) is more cost effective.

Treken,

I'm sorry but there isn't just an 8% mark-up on accessories. Port installed options are their big money makers. The 8% your dealer is feeding you is a bunch of bull. $460 dealer cost? Acording to Edmunds.com, the average mark-up for optional packages is 15% on the 2004 RX-8. And I would bet at least 25% for port-installed options. That would put that $500 changer option at $400.

I also don't know where you get your Head Units swapped out. But it is $50 tops anywhere you go. $250 is ridiculous.

-Mr. Wigggles

It has been confirmed. The invoice is $400

-Mr. Wigggles

Only $100 markup? That doesn't leave you much Wigggle room! BAHAHAHAHA :D

Did I mention that all Canadian Spec models get the 6 CD deck standard? Perhaps I mentioned it before, I don't remember.
....Perhaps the part I missed was that it was $3000 cheaper....No, I am pretty sure I didn't forget that, maybe it was the part about standard Sport Suspension or big wheels? Oh, thats right, it was the spare tire and the high pressure headlight cleaners that I forgot....................silly me.
.

Originally posted by StealthTL
Perhaps the part I missed was that it was $3000 cheaperNo, you didn't miss that, but you did miss the fact that Canadian wages are generally lower as well. Work out the US and Canadian prices in multiples of the corresponding average weekly wage, and then see who's chuckling. :p

Eccles,
You peed on my cornflakes!
....Just when I thought I was ahead!
(Neddy Seagoon & Min send their love, long live the late Spike.)

Originally posted by eccles
No, you didn't miss that, but you did miss the fact that Canadian wages are generally lower as well. Work out the US and Canadian prices in multiples of the corresponding average weekly wage, and then see who's chuckling. :p

Is it true some Canadians work in the U.S. (but still live in Canada)? Best of both worlds I guess..

Originally posted by StealthTL
(Neddy Seagoon & Min send their love, long live the late Spike.) Please tell them "Needle, nardle, noo" for me. ;)

i got to wondering yesterday about the reason why the changer wasn't standard in some package. then it dawned on me that i might already have the answer. because the single player/ mp3 player and the changer fit in the same spot in the head unit. since the changer they have available to them doesn't play mp3's and there is a large demand building for mp3 players perhaps they didn't want to make the choice between the two and so decided to offer both in the US thinking they were doing customers a favor by offering them more choice. does that sound logical or am i crazy?

so who does the install at port? I dont trust anyone to futzing with my virgin car..

Originally posted by zoom44
i got to wondering yesterday about the reason why the changer wasn't standard in some package. then it dawned on me that i might already have the answer. because the single player/ mp3 player and the changer fit in the same spot in the head unit. since the changer they have available to them doesn't play mp3's and there is a large demand building for mp3 players perhaps they didn't want to make the choice between the two and so decided to offer both in the US thinking they were doing customers a favor by offering them more choice. does that sound logical or am i crazy? Sounds like a possibility.

---jps

Originally posted by StealthTL
Did I mention that all Canadian Spec models get the 6 CD deck standard? Perhaps I mentioned it before, I don't remember.
....Perhaps the part I missed was that it was $3000 cheaper....No, I am pretty sure I didn't forget that, maybe it was the part about standard Sport Suspension or big wheels? Oh, thats right, it was the spare tire and the high pressure headlight cleaners that I forgot....................silly me.
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Doesn't the canadian verision has LESS POWER?? :D

Another thing, can't people from the us go and buy a car in Canada or viceversa?

Originally posted by neit_jnf

Doesn't the canadian verision has LESS POWER?? :D


No they don't! Also, the Canadian models also do not have the 5 speed manual transmission and they are only available with the sport suspension. :D :D :D