this picture completly sickened me...i actually almost gagged when i opened it up to find dogs on the meat hooks like that...i've had 4 dogs in my lifetime and always cared for them like another member of the family (my dog sometimes falls asleep in the center of my bed and i'm forced to sleep on the couch!) and i always held a hostile stance towards people that would even consider using them for food...

my question is, am i a hypocrite?

what makes eating chickens, cows, pigs, lamb, salmon, trout, etc. more of a norm to eat than a dog or a cat? is it because they're cuter? because they're domesticated? because they can be associated with names like Benji or Lassie? i mean my mouth waters at the sight of a filet mignon or a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken but i can't even stand to look at this picture without feeling nauseous...

PS - of course this could be a Photoshop but that's not the subject of this thread...it could very well be true with the recent outbreak of bird flu going around in the Asian parts of the world

I doubt that it's Photoshop; there's no need since many cultures do eat dog. Many are repelled by American habits such as drinking the milk of a cow, eating pork, etc. It's not really hypocritical; more xenophobic or having an irrational fear of other cultures.

We have Jewish friends who are repelled by Mexican food, and we concluded it's because like burritos everything is jumbled together but in kosher cooking items are prepared separately. It all comes down to not liking what you're not used to which is why women can't deal with seeing the seat up!

As stated, it's all depenedant on your cultural upbringing. Here in the US and alot of places dogs are pets, but in others they are food. I have several korean friends who are afraid of dogs, as they never had one as a pet, only as a food item. When a dog is for food, it isnt tought to be nice and friendly, so they tend to be mean. Same way a few hindu friends I have find eating cow terrible, and american friends who look at some of the stuff I grew up with in Mexico (pig tripe anyone?) and feel nausea, while it's the most normal thing in the world to me.


So basically, your culture has a huge influence on your actions. The biggest thing is to understand that and not disrespect other cultures because of it.

8_wannabe, genom, I think you just about covered it.

This is sad, ive seen it already , and i was waiting for a chance to post this here
take a look , Dog Lovers Beware!
http://www.seoulsearching.com/DogMeat.html

A Rat is just a bushy tail away from being fed in the park.

you are a huge hypocrite JERK!!!! just kidding

8_Wannabe, Genom, I fully understand what you guys are saying in that culture plays a big role in how you are...please understand i grew up in a poor province of the Philippines and had access to such "delicacies" in my youth, although i never tried dog or cat...and yes, i've had pig tripe, beef tripe, ox tongue, pig's blood (chocolate soup is what they call it), pigeon, snake, shark's fin, bird's nest soup (which is supposed to be made out of bird saliva?), duck, alligator, and a host of other foods that would probably be considered illegal here in the States...

i don't disrespect those countries that eat dog or cat because, in fact, i've come to wonder if we are the hypocrites in making them illegal to eat...do dogs and cats have more "rights" than chickens, cows, and pigs? are chickens, cows, and pigs basically bred just to feed us, humans? i've read numerous stories of how certain animals are kept in a very tightly closed "container" for the duration of their youth so as to keep the meat tender...is that humane? if we did that to dogs on a regular basis, PETA would have a heart attack and die...i dunno, it just seems a little off that some animals have more "rights" than others...

(btw, i'm not turning vegetarian by any means...this is just a thought that crossed my mind while i was eating a bacon double cheeseburger ;)))

btw, this is cute...

Creating too many laws makes lawbreakers of us all. You are only a hypocrite if you believe the law is justified and violate it anyway (go against your own beliefs).

Horse meat is a delicacy in France, they have special butchers just for that. Yum......

Hey, it's all about the love.

nothing wrong with it... being hindu i was brought up as Cows beening sacred and in india Cows roam the street free. Living in America my whole life i started eating beef (and let me tell u how great a medium steak is) but when i went to india in may and saw how people care for cows it was wierd to eat a steak when i came back to america...

I'm a dog lover, also -- love the little dachshund puppy on the bun photo. I've seen photos of other animals on hooks before, too, and it is never an appealing sight. I guess I try not to think about the actual cow when I'm eating beef.

http://www.factoryfarming.com/ check out the photo gallery. not for the squeamish!

I still eat meat though. I just do what most other Americans do, which is complain that such things are horrible because it seems like the right thing to do. But then once the mood passes, I go out for an ultimate cheeseburger.

Meat - it's what's for dinner! (I love that ad)

Who wrote that 'veggies are what your dinner eats?'

I love giving vegetarians grief.....or anyone else with an extreme viewpoint or practice for that matter. If you are going to live on the edge, what's a little discussion amongst friends.

The only problem I have with those types of people is they take themselves way too seriously, and can't take a joke about their convictions. So it's fun making them squirm, or angry.

Many years ago, we roamed all the land from the dawn's water to the dusk's water. Our cows were fat and we were happy. Every mother bore twins because there was enough food for twice as many mouths. (This is why women have two breasts.) But then the Dog Eaters came from far away. As guests, they spat in our drinking bowls. As hosts, they offered us roast dog. We prayed to the Shining One and asked that we not have to share our lands with the Dog Eaters, so the One divided up the land. Since we were unwilling to be good hosts, the Shining One punished us by giving us the high lands, which are dry and hot. To the Dog Eaters, he gave the cool, green lands by the waters. And so it has been for years and years.
But it will not always be so. The Dog Eaters are not grateful for the Shining One's gifts. They fight, eat dogs, and mock the body of Olodumare. One day, the Shining One will give us back our land. When our punishment is through, the stars will tell us that our time has returned. The stars will whisper into the ears of our people, telling us who is to strike where. Guided by the stars, we will sweep the Dog Eaters into the sea in one night. Then we will live in the cool, green lands again. Our cows will be fat because they won't have to walk to find food, and the women will bear twins.

<---- NOT WHAT'S FOR DINNER!!

Yeah, we might be hypocrites... but Baller is just f******g nuts. ;)

And I thought women had two breasts because men only have two hands.

Good edit. :) Maybe with some fava beans and a nice chianti....

Here is my possessed cat btw, no photoshop.

Thanks Aratinga,
I know I have issues, my lithium has not kicked in yet.
And you are correct about the 2 hands.

Is a Aratinga a parakeet or parrot?

I bet that cat is good eating!!!

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Doc... I know that our pets are just flashing their tapetum lucidum at us, but I sure wouldn't turn my back on that cat if I were you.

Baller... "Aratinga" is the genus of a group of small, longtailed parrots, like this one. (No, I don't eat them.) Besides being a bird nut, I just liked the sound of the word.

Edit: Oh, and I'll have what she's having. ;)

I knew what it was....I also love birds.

Also happy birthday in advance.

Aratinga (love that word btw) - you taught me a new phrase, thanks.

Anyone see "The Quick and the Dead" with Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman and Leonardo diCaprio? Great movie, my wife's favorite (because of Russell Crowe also in it) :mad:

The cat's eyes remind me of the scene when Hackman got shot and the sun was shining through his holes!

Originally posted by Baller
I knew what it was....I also love birds.

Also happy birthday in advance.

Thank you... although at my age I wonder what's to celebrate about getting another year older. And on Friday the 13th even. I think I'll either just stay in bed all day tomorrow, or ditch work and take the 8 for a nice long drive. :p

Or just have what Hilary's having!!!! (looks like her anyway)

I like your style Doc!!!

And yes it is Hilary (remember after that big black-out)

yes, you are a hypocrite :)

j/k

I think as long as you realize that it is cultural boundaries that seperates groups of people, that's okay.

Because the reality is, for all of us, as a whole, if it moves, we'll eat it.

From Pulp Fiction

Jules and Vincent sit at a booth. In front of Vincent is a
big stack of pancakes and sausages, which he eats with gusto. Jules, on the other hand, just has a cup of coffee and amuffin. He seems far away in thought. The Waitress pours a refill for both men,

VINCENT
Thanks a bunch.
(to Jules, who's
nursing his coffee)
Want a sausage?

JULES
Naw, I don't eat pork.

VINCENT
Are you Jewish?

JULES
I ain't Jewish man, I just don't
dig on swine.

VINCENT
Why not?

JULES
They're filthy animals. I don't
eat filthy animals.

VINCENT
Sausages taste good. Pork chops
taste good.

JULES
A sewer rat may taste like pumpkin
pie. I'll never know 'cause even
if it did, I wouldn't eat the
filthy motherf*** Pigs sleep
and root in shit. That's a filthy
animal. I don't wanna eat nothin'
that ain't got enough sense to
disregard its own feces.

VINCENT
How about dogs? Dogs eat their own
feces.

JULES
I don't eat dog either.

VINCENT
Yes, but do you consider a dog to
be a filthy animal?

JULES
I wouldn't go so far as to call a
dog filthy, but they're definitely
dirty. But a dog's got
personality. And personality goes
a long way.

VINCENT
So by that rationale, if a pig had
a better personality, he's cease to
be a filthy animal?

JULES
We'd have to be talkin' 'bout one
motherf***' charmin' pig. It'd
have to be the Cary Grant of pigs.

The two men laugh.

You are NOT a hypocite..dogs and cats are capable of real affection, or are darn good actors...Either way, they are not a food source....remember, over seas it is not uncommon for female babys to "fall" down wells so the parents can try for a boy..

hey Speed-ER-doc..i'll go rounds with you on this one....being that i always like a friendly heated discussion,,...FLAME ON FOLKS!!! ...i am a member of PETA and i volunteer at the local rescue shelters....I run a domestic/exotic animal shelter on my land that takes in unwanted or harmed animals that have a chance for rehabilitation to either be released back into loving homes or sent to foster care and even the rare cases of being euthanized. Now I don't believe in EVERYTHING PETA does i'm sort of the Blacksheep on a few things but 99% of what they talk about i'm in line with...I have been a Vegetarian..for 8 years now and love it... i have attended many many conferences and demonstrations and given plenty of speeches to Wildlife Funding organizations, Universities, elemenatary/high schools, Hunting clubs, etc...I am a firm believer in that all animals even humans (yes we are animals..we tend to forget that) have a place...ours is not superior...

So come on buddy...chop away....

I'll get back with you later on this one, Xero, I do have some opinions on PETA I would like to share. You seem like a more moderate member, and reasonable, so I won't flame you much. :)

I want to be around to see how this plays out, Doc and XeRo. I'm dang conflicted here, too... I admit to eating meat, and yet I'm fully aware of the inherent and unrelenting cruelty involved in the factory-farming of animals for human consumption. I am an avowed animal lover and also have been a Rescue volunteer for many years, but when it comes to putting my money where my mouth is and giving up hamburgers and fried chicken, I just don't have the willpower. So yes, I am a hypocrite.

And if what I've heard about PETA is true (that their true agenda is to prohibit the keeping of any animals as pets), I think that's beyond extreme.

BIG MAMMA IS MY 14 YEAR OLD CAT. SHE IS BIG AND FURRY AND I LOVE HER!!!

sorry for shouting, but im mad, very mad.

I've had a LOT of dogs in my lifetime. Hunting dogs, pet dogs, dogs that just came around my place. I LOVE dogs period and I take care of them. Then again, I've eaten dog on a few occasions. Granted the first time was nearly a life or death situation so the PETA folks can forgive me, but the other times was because I was in countries where it was accepted and the meat was offered to me. Meat is meat folks. True we adore our canines (and felines, equines, porcines, bovines, sheep, goats, rabbits etc.) truth is, in cultures who eat dog as meat, they have pet, and working dogs too! There is a difference. Some places (Korea for example) dog is fed to the sick and dying, or at a celebration ( A spiritual thing so I've been told). It's not on the menu in hardly ANY resteraunts. You HAVE to ask for it. You will NOT mistakenly eat dog in Korea. It's expensive. In 1995 a plate of Kaegolgi (spelling anyone?) was around $45-60 a plate.

Ok enough of Korea. In other Asian countries dog is a high protein, low cost meat. We all know, dogs breed almost as well as rabbits. Logistically, you could produce a LOT more meat raising dogs on 3 acres of land than you could cows. How's that for a starving village?

Ok, enough ranting. I love animals period, but God put man over the beasts and I am not gonna give up my place at the top of the food chain for anyone who thinks I'm wrong. For all you vegans out there......kudos for denying yourself and standing up for what you believe in, but the stuff you're eating is not food, it's what food eats!

Carnivore and proud

(By the way, I've eaten horse, monkey and many animals you would never think of as food!)

Oh yeah, squirrel, frogs and turtles do NOT taste like chicken, but armadillo tastes like pork.

ok, there i go being all hypocritical again...i was on the train and i see this women with a fur coat on, fur hat, fur gloves, etc. and i had the insatiable urge to spit on her (of course i wouldn't have really done so)...then when i cool off, i remember i own about 3 leather jackets and several leather hats...

AutoBahnRX8, i applaud your honesty...i actually hope to try as many different types of foods as you have, but they may have to "slip" me some without me knowing what it is!

Aratinga you captured exactly what i was conflicted about and i couldn't have said it any better :)

Seriously, none of you guys eat squirrel?


I know my roots, I fought past that shit, but I still remember

Animals are meat. Meat is good to eat, it tastes good, it is good for you, it is healthy. It is my favorite food.

Some animals are cute and cuddly, some are not. I prefer not to eat cuddly ones like cats and dogs, but in the right situation, I would certainly try it. It is bizarre to think about eating a pet, and I would not do that. I don't consider those feelings hypocritical. If the animal was raised for food, and not someone's pet, and it was already prepared, what harm is there to go ahead and eat it?

I think everyone should have the right to eat whatever they want, and if they don't want to eat something, they don't have to.

If someone is upset with the idea of wearing fur, they don't have to wear it. If they want to try to keep others from wearing fur, there are proper legislative channels to pursue to change the applicable laws. If someone attacks someone else who is wearing fur, or destroys their property (fur coat), the attacker should be subjected to the maximum legal penalty available. If the victim is endangered by the attacker in any way, lethal force is reasonable to protect one's life and property.

I respect those who are dedicated to save unwanted animals, and wish them success in their endeavors.

I think reasonable adaptations to ensure the comfort and humane treatment of food animals during their captivity and harvest are wonderful as well.

Those who oppose hunting should also use the proper legal channels to voice their opposition. To do otherwise is dangerous and foolish, and in many cases illegal.

People who inflict their opinions forcefully on others are criminals.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
If someone is upset with the idea of wearing fur, they don't have to wear it. If they want to try to keep others from wearing fur, there are proper legislative channels to pursue to change the applicable laws. If someone attacks someone else who is wearing fur, or destroys their property (fur coat), the attacker should be subjected to the maximum legal penalty available. If the victim is endangered by the attacker in any way, lethal force is reasonable to protect one's life and property.

agreed...defacing property is against the law but wearing fur is not...seeing fur used for jackets and other clothes to me is unethical, but then i look in my closet and on my bed and notice how many down jackets, blankets, and pillows i have...as much as i want to drop kick the fur wearing women in the head followed by an elbow drop to the boob, i have to abstain since i myself use animal parts for comfort...oh, and it's against the law to WWF another person...

Those who oppose hunting should also use the proper legal channels to voice their opposition. To do otherwise is dangerous and foolish, and in many cases illegal.

hunting, at times, is necessary for population control...