http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
Its a long and pessimistic or realistic or both, however you wanna look at it view of the situation we are facing today.. do yourself a favor and read it.

http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html
WARNING: A graphic view of what war does to you.

Originally posted by complex

http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html
WARNING: A graphic view of what war does to you.

You are the bomb, i saw something about this and i was gonna post it but it was too harsh, and people wonder why Arabs hate America, Thanks for posting this :)

The whole Depleted Uranium controversy is very interesting. There is a lot of hysteria about it, especially from scaremongers with the 4.5 billion year half life quotes.

It is NOT very radioactive, certainly not dangerously so. The longer the half-life of something, the less radioactive it is. The big issue seems to be from "heavy metal" poisoning, like lead.

The issue warrants further discussion whether those warheads should be used, sort of like us hunters not being able to use lead shot for waterfowl (ducks and geese) because the lead gets into the predatory food chain and kills birds of prey.

Some of those pictures were crap btw. Gimme a break, blaming cleft palate on DU? Hydrocephalus? Sure they look gross, lets put them on here. That was a well done video from a production standpoint..

Actually those pictures are not fake and they are in numorous web sites, omg..... u people never care , only for your selves
Time to stop, America is responsible for the diseases in Iraq and thats it, dont question it, really just stop its very ignorant , its happening to too much in every single topic about the middle east

I dunno jack about depleted uranium except it is dense. Good for balancing weights on a crank.

I do know a tad about the oil biz. Basically, some of the oil gloom and doom is exagerrated. Yet the rosy outlook that others give is also exagerrated. The people on both sides of this argument like to cherry pick the imperfect available data to support their claims. The hard core environmentalists choose the lowest estimates for oil reserves and new discoveries and the highest estimates for oil consumption growth. The damned the environment group (like dubya) use the opposite cherry picking procedure.

The big if in the process is technology to discover and retrieve oil improves by the day. This technology improvement magically improves our supply. How do we accurately predict what effect improved technology will have on supply 15 years from now? We can't.

I just wish we would work on energy conservation more. The benefits are less worry about running out of oil, reduced pollution and it would free up people in the energy industry to contribute to the world's economy in other ways.

Mental pimp

The only mistake the American /Australian goverments have made is giving the ungratefull middle eastern people a safe and democratic place to live .

If you dont like America go home to palestian and stop whinging , and blaming America/Australia for all the arabic worlds ills .

michael

I'm not saying the pictures are fake, those medical conditions DO exist, they exist in every country in the world, and they are NOT necessarily caused by depleted uranium or any other evil American wrongdoing.

Well according to ur other post u do sound that ur saying that u think they are fake, and yes America is in fault for it

Originally posted by Lock & Load
Mental pimp

The only mistake the American /Australian goverments have made is giving the ungratefull middle eastern people a safe and democratic place to live .
michael

Tell me when did this happen, and I would love to leave the U.S , but for now my parents like it here , and when i get married im leaving asap to the mid east, ill go to Palestine if things calm down and if not ill go to Saudi Arabia

I'm sorry you misunderstood, I should have been clearer. It is crap in my opinion to include naturally occurring birth defects amongst pictures of purportedly radiation-caused birth defects.

Cleft palate and hydrocephalus are not caused by exposure to radiation, and they occur just as frequently in this country. some of the pictures also appeared to be very premature births or burns (I couldn't tell for sure, they went by pretty fast).

Shock value = crap

There is no scientific proof I could find linking depleted uranium to any medical condition, although it appears studies are underway.

But those studies wont be shown to the U.S citizens like always

Originally posted by mental pimp
America is responsible for the diseases in Iraq and thats it, dont question it

Interesting. And here I always thought that the chemical weapons used by the Iraqi leader/dictator on his own people were responsible for many diseases, and that the malnutrition and poor sanitary conditions that were the result of a 10 year war with Iran and the aftermath of the war with Kuwait (both initiated by same Iraqi leader/dictator) were also responsible for much of the disease in Iraq.

Imagine my surprise at finding out that mental pimp has found a way to blame all that on the Americans! (NOT)

Regards,
Gordon

But how do u know that those babies were affected by Saddam and not America? Hey im blaming America based on what i read about this , maybe im wrong again

Originally posted by Lock & Load
Mental pimp

The only mistake the American /Australian goverments have made is giving the ungratefull middle eastern people a safe and democratic place to live .

If you dont like America go home to palestian and stop whinging , and blaming America/Australia for all the arabic worlds ills .

michael

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/ny-woiraq0211,0,2539382.story?coll=nyc-topnews-short-navigation

Iraq: 2 Days, 2 Bombs, 100 Dead, maybe they seem ungratefull because they dont like us or want 'our' help?. They got rid of 1 bad guy in saddam and put into power another in chalabi. This doesnt seem democratic to me,

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/150333_helenthomas30.html

Who was the suicide bomber? an Iraqi?

http://www.shareguide.com/Caldicott.html

Gord96BRG, Who gave Saddam those WMD's ?

Originally posted by Lock & Load
Mental pimp

The only mistake the American /Australian goverments have made is giving the ungratefull middle eastern people a safe and democratic place to live .

If you dont like America go home to palestian and stop whinging , and blaming America/Australia for all the arabic worlds ills .

michael

Lock & Load,

You are just as hateful, biased and brain washed as Mental Pimp. Mental Pimp is 15 years old and perhaps with some experience he will realize not all is the way he sees it. I believe you are an adult so it appears all hope is lost for you.

Originally posted by mental pimp
Who was the suicide bomber? an Iraqi?

What does it matter? It was someone that wants the occupation to end. But even then they still have a bigger problem,
Iraq at risk of civil war (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/2004/01/22/news/nation/7765782.htm)

Like the doc said, studies are under way. Some day we will know the truth. Like agent orange. In the mean time I do know the USA is eliminating the use of depleted uranium penetrators and going to the less effective tungsten penetrator. In my opinion this is very honorable. The US military is decommishining a superior weapon because there is the possibility that it may cause health problems if used. By eliminating the DU penetrator some weapons will be less effective and therefore put US soldiers at increased risk during future conflicts. Whether the US is right or wrong in any future conflict I do know if I was a US soldier I would want to have the best chance at going unscathed.

Originally posted by mental pimp
Time to stop, America is responsible for the diseases in Iraq and thats it, dont question it, really just stop its very ignorant , its happening to too much in every single topic about the middle east

Not questioning things breeds ignorance my little friend. Your biggest problems is you take too much propaganda as gosphel.
Maybe there is something to the whole contraversy, however this video is meant as nothing more than a scare tactic, and something to sway the feeble minded and easily influenced. It reminds me of a lot of the prolife propaganda I've seen over the years.

Originally posted by babylou
Lock & Load,

You are just as hateful, biased and brain washed as Mental Pimp. Mental Pimp is 15 years old and perhaps with some experience he will realize not all is the way he sees it. I believe you are an adult so it appears all hope is lost for you.

I am brainwashed ???Does anyone know who mental pimp really is ??

IS he really a 15year old kid ????

He sure as hell spends a lot of time on his arab propaganda bullshit , and has sucked in a lot off the gullable forum members INTO FEELING SORRY FOR HIM ON ACCOUNT OF HIS AGE ETC .

15 year old terrorist arabs know how to press triggers on guns or blow themselves up and kill innocent people.

Wake up babylou , and take of your rose coloured glasses , before you get a gun put up your ass by some 15 year old terrorist, but then again you may enjoy the experience .

cheers
michael

Getting back to the topic, i think we should drive the hell out of our gas hogging RX8's until the world runs out of peak oil, the sooner the better. This will put an end to the industrial age quicker than if we preserve whatever oil the world has left. If you care about the biosphere, nature and the future of mankind i think this would be best. The longer we delay the collapse, the more were hurting the survival of earth. " it is inevitable that the US, Russia, China, India and Brazil and many other countries will continue to industrialize. They all want a better standard of living for their citizens, and they are all concerned for their national security. As a result, the nuclear arms race will continue, with a vengeance. The US and Russia will not relinquish their nuclear arms. China and India will continue to increase the size of their nuclear arsenals. Other smaller countries (e.g., Israel, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, the UK, France) will continue to develop theirs. The resource wars will begin as soon as global world oil production starts to fall, in a few years. Global nuclear war is just around the corner"..

The war which “will not end in our
lifetimes” is being waged because
the world is beginning to run out of oil
and gas. The gap between demand
and production will increase forever.
This is called Peak Oil. There is
only enough conventional oil to lastat present consumption rates for 35
years. Yet demand is increasing every
year. There are no more large reserves to
find. The Caspian Sea “bonanza” which
was estimated at 250 billion barrels (Gb)
in 1995-6, has turned out to be less
than 40 Gb after two years of drilling.
The world consumes a billion barrels of
oil every 12 days.
On average, every barrel will now be
more expensive to pump. Oil fields are
dead when it takes more energy to
pump oil than one gets from burning
it. The only sources of cheap oil, in
quantity, are the OPEC nations of the
Middle East until they also peak in about
8 years. Iran has already passed its peak
of production and will begin to import
gasoline next year. The U.S. passed
its peak of production in 1970. Within
20 years we will be importing 70% of
our oil. So will China. About 60% of all
recoverable oil is in the Middle East.
Hydrogen is too far away. It takes more
than 3,000 gallons of gaseous hydrogen
to equal one gallon of gasoline. Fuel
cells do not create energy - they only
store it. Producing commercial hydrogen
requires both electricity and natural
gas. It takes more energy to produce
hydrogen than burning it yields. It is too
late to change the infrastructure before
economic and social crises begin.
The war which will not end in our
lifetimes will include: Saudi Arabia, Iran,
Colombia, Venezuela, West Africa, and
the Southwest Pacific; anywhere there
are significant reserves of oil and gas.
These conflicts are being created now
through The National Security Strategy
of the U.S. Afghanistan and Iraq were
only the beginning.

Originally posted by complex
About 60% of all
recoverable oil is in the Middle East.


Wrong. That's completely ignoring the fact that Alberta, Canada's heavy oil / tar sands contain recoverable oil greater than Saudi Arabia's reserves. Those heavy oil reserves were ignored for decades because the technology wasn't there to recover it at all, then not to do it efficiently (cost-effective). Sure the current recovery costs of the synthetic crude from the oil sands are around $12 US/bbl, much higher than the costs of pumping light crude, but with oil prices at around $28US/bbl it's more than economic enough to justify billions in investment in new production facilities (currently ongoing), without requiring the price of crude to soar.

I know the article ignored or glossed over the heavy oil reserves - so how valid is the rest of the article's conclusions, when it's very wrong on some of it's most fundamental assumptions?

Regards,
Gordon

tar from its tar sands and attempt to upgrade it to synthetic oil with the same or less pollution.

The problem is that it takes 5 to 10 times the energy, area and water, to mine, process and upgrade the tar sands oil, than it does to process conventional oil.

Nearly two tonnes of oil sands must be mined to produce one barrel of light, sweet synthetic crude oil.

The problem is that it takes almost as much energy to produce tar sands as it generates. Indeed, it almost takes as much energy to mine, process, refine, and upgrade the bitumen oil out of tar sands as the oil-energy that would be produced from the tar sands.

In the process much more carbon dioxide emissions are generated getting the tar sands oil out than would be the case with conventional oil. There are estimates that 5 to 10 times the amount of greenhouse gas emissions come from processing tar sands as it does processing conventional oil.



Sounds expensive, Hard to get to and not to good for the planet. Is there any chance the US will stir up a conflict with Canada for a piece of this? Canada is harboring terorrists! :o Also, how many % of recoverable oil is in Alberta?