check this
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/73CFFDDD-0953-46FE-92CC-6BBBE42ABE97.htm

for those that voted yes, u have to think about it cause these kids are being abused,sexualy raped, starved, and take beatings, and if u agree with that then u have a serious problem and need help

Well, reading this from a pro-Palestine article makes it hard for me to judge.

But in any case, any kind of misbehavior is not right. Whether it is torturing kids in jail or suicide bombing people, doesn't matter who you are dealing with, it is all wrong. And throwing rocks at an army tank is just plain stupid.

What has this world come to.

I am in agreement (mostly) with SpYnalChRd81.

This is a VERY biased "news source", and therefore very difficult to judge the claims. The other point is that there are a LOT of accusations in the article, but no evidence (sources, interviews, court papers, arrest warrants, etc.) to substantiate them. They are making a political statement (as always).

Your choices (for the poll) are not inclusive enough for a vote. I will never condone torture or mistreatment of a child (prisoner or not), however, I can't just say "This is horrible" or "They deserve it". I would want a button that says "I don't have ALL the facts to make a decision", and I would choose that.

1st thing! It is horrible. But, don't believe everything you see on Aljazeera! They thrive on propaganda! I HIGHLY doubt that an Isreali policeman or soldier would rape a little boy. I think that is stretching it a little. Beaten? Maybe. But, when you try to blow up people, that is what you get.

It is not fair to post this kind of crap on a RX-8 forum

Aljazeera = total horse shit

Pimp, this is getting old...

just like i say that CNN is biased you say that AlJazeera is biased, but i actually take my time and compare the two web sites on the israel and palestine problem, first of all, CNN does not report everything that happens, when they report something that happens to the palestinians it will not make the front page, and if it does, take a pic and show me , now Al'Jazeera puts everything that happens on both sides, front page, everything is there, when a suicide attack happens its there, everything, when CNN makes a report on a attack on the palestinians they name the suicide bombing that happened earlier and make it sound that it was a response to the suicide boming, i gtg now, ill be back later

you guys say that AlJazeera is biased but fail to tell me why and give facts

Now look here, this is about the raid that happened yesterday which killed 3 i think, CNN decides to name the suicide bombing that happened before, why did they? well it doesnt take a handicaped person to figure it out, its CNN's way to make it look like it was Israel's response to the suicide bombing, when in reality Palestinian groups were the ones who were responding to the raid that killed 8 before the suicide bombing, this will make the average CNN viewer start to hate the Palestinians
and they call it Terror Attacks, bunch of idiots ROLF
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/01/30/mideast/index.html


If u dont wanna bother reading my posts and sit there like a retard and keep on hating the palestinians because of ur ignorance then keep on doing it, someday you will die and you will get what you deserv

You know, some of us WORK, and can not be on the site 24/7, so it takes a while to respond.

I thought you were simply a misguided kid, but now I think you are a moron, and a ill willed one at that.

Telling people who never did anything to you that they will "get what is coming" to them, just because they do not agree with you, or trust your sources? yeah, that will work...

Be happy this is the web, and not face to face, 'cuse people with your 'tude usually end up with a good o'l fashion ass kicking....

I repeat, you will not change anything here, go over seas with your crusade............find some backbone, fight for your cause were it began..............

u spend ur worhtless time to respond to my last comments? rolf

Originally posted by klegg
I repeat, you will not change anything here, go over seas with your crusade............find some backbone, fight for your cause were it began..............

no change would ever happen if people didn't speak up. i applaud his backbone for bringing it up when he knew he would be criticized by many here.


but pimp what you just described- the "no we aren't wrong, we were getting them back for what they did to us!" mentallity is what is keeping the circle of violence going and fuels the fires of hatred in the next generation. it does nothing to help and just causes more death and misery. someone has to at some point say enough is enough- more violence is not the answer here.

yea i know, and i said it a couple of times, both sides are wrong, but one side keeps on attacking non stop and nobody cares

Originally posted by mental pimp
u spend ur worhtless time to respond to my last comments? rolf

i refuse to get into another one of your debates since it never proves worthy of anyone's time...you see things your way and you have never, ever been able to take others opinions lightly...much like many Arabs and their sentiments on religion, difference in opinion is always considered a threat...

my question to you, and i hope you think long and hard on this is...

what is "rolf"? you're always ending your sentences in "rolf"...what is that? do you mean rofl? "rolf" would be rolling on the laughing floor...:D

LOL

ROLF...er....LORF.....ummmmm oh F%$^% it!

rolling on the floor laughing i guess, why are u asking? u trying to be cool again?

Originally posted by zoom44
no change would ever happen if people didn't speak up. i applaud his backbone for bringing it up when he knew he would be criticized by many here.


but pimp what you just described- the "no we aren't wrong, we were getting them back for what they did to us!" mentallity is what is keeping the circle of violence going and fuels the fires of hatred in the next generation. it does nothing to help and just causes more death and misery. someone has to at some point say enough is enough- more violence is not the answer here.

The problem is not the issue he picked, it is HOW he goes about it, the garbage sources he uses, the utter lack of any attempt to look at the other side , and the nasty way he conducts himself.

It does not take balls to flame someone on a website.

It does take balls to go over to were the problem is and try to fix it AT THE SOURCE!!

Of course, pimp does not have the guts to go over there, just bitch from the sidelines.....

Even if he did go, he would find out real fast that the problem has nothing to do with the people, and everything to do with the PLO and HAMAS leadership....who openly rejected the offer of land and peace when it was made, a better deal then they would except now..

Oh yeah, that would be before he went bye bye at the hands of one of his "people", 'cuse you know what they hate more then jews? AMERICANS!

Originally posted by klegg
a better deal then they would except now..

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did you mean to write "accept" or "expect"?

an example of why mocking someone's writing or typing skills is not always the best idea.


edit: this was not meant specifically for klegg. and i do have more to say in rebuttal to klegg's last post but no time now. keep it civil everyone, please. i'll have more to say later.

Originally posted by mental pimp
for those that voted yes, u have to think about it cause these kids are being abused,sexualy raped, starved, and take beatings, and if u agree with that then u have a serious problem and need help

Oh, was I supposed to look at something before I voted? Sorry!

The problem is not the issue he picked, it is HOW he goes about it, the garbage sources he uses, the utter lack of any attempt to look at the other side , and the nasty way he conducts himself.)

What sources do you want me to use? I use Al'Jazeera because i trust it, brings me more info and more stories than BBC,CNN, and Fox, For you guys to say that Al'Jazeera is biased is retarted because no reason was given, " the utter lack of any attempt to look at the other side " OMG, how many times do i have say that i show sympathy and know wats going on for Israelis too?, do i have to make a thread about it, so when u open ur mouth and say it again ill give u the link so you would shut up?
The nasty way i conduct my self? How is that? I have said many stupid comments but i have never failed to apoligize for them.

(It does take balls to go over to were the problem is and try to fix it AT THE SOURCE!!)

So your saying that by going there and blow my self up and take israelis with me will fix the problem? The only thing that a 15yr old can do is to try to educate people with ignorance like yours and give them the knowledge that they need.

(Of course, pimp does not have the guts to go over there, just bitch from the sidelines.....)

Well, pimp might go to Palestine this summer and ill take pics.

(Even if he did go, he would find out real fast that the problem has nothing to do with the people, and everything to do with the PLO and HAMAS leadership....who openly rejected the offer of land and peace when it was made, a better deal then they would except now..)

So if PLO and Hamas wants to have that land just for Palestinians doesnt mean that the Civilains do, so why should the civilians pay for it? How do i know? Well i have taken the time to watch un-arab videos of young men and women who interviewed the palestinian people and all they asked for was to have Freedom and not have their brothers and sisters die.

(Oh yeah, that would be before he went bye bye at the hands of one of his "people", 'cuse you know what they hate more then jews? AMERICANS!)

Actually we dont hate Jews, we hate Zionists, i have seen many Jewish people protest and have been Al'Jazeera being interviewed, and belive it or not, the creation of Israel was against the Torah, and im not gonna support something that God doesnt want. Let me see if i can get that video.
Why do we hate americans? Israel no doubt

Originally posted by mental pimp
rolling on the floor laughing i guess, why are u asking? u trying to be cool again?

chill out, just adding some humour to an otherwise humourless thread...you're 15, enjoy being 15...you take so much for granted...you sit there and ridicule the very things that give your life comfort and peace of mind...if you hate America so much, trust me there are at least half a billion people that would gladly take your place...

so if you're worried so much about your 'brothers and sisters' overseas, please, PLEASE turn off your 52" plasma screen TV, get off your soft leather couch, leave your nice 4 bedroom suburban home, and head for the airport...go do something about it...to be honest you seem pretty diligient for a 15 year old and perhaps one day you may actually make a change...i hope during this time you can find a way to keep an open mind towards other people's opinions and keep an unbiased attitude when holding a debate...trust me, with the way you're going, you'll have high blood pressure by the time you're 21 :p

"Actually we dont hate Jews, we hate Zionists"


"We"? are you american, or what? Since you are here, and I assume a citizen, perhaps you should look at it as an american...So can the "we" part.


Now, perhaps you could give us your definition of the difference between jews and "zionists"? No, do not look it up, tell us what you understand a "Zionist" to be.

Originally posted by zoom44
did you mean to write "accept" or "expect"?

an example of why mocking someone's writing or typing skills is not always the best idea.


edit: this was not meant specifically for klegg. and i do have more to say in rebuttal to klegg's last post but no time now. keep it civil everyone, please. i'll have more to say later.

Well, I appreciate the edit, but last time I looked, I had not....

I think the problem is not the occasional grammer or spelling error, but the total lack of even basic language skills displayed by some who post here, and the fact they do not even try to improve on it. Of course, these posters usually turn out to be trolls, which also plays a part in how people react...

Originally posted by mental pimp
The problem is not the issue he picked, it is HOW he goes about it, the garbage sources he uses, the utter lack of any attempt to look at the other side , and the nasty way he conducts himself.)


So your saying that by going there and blow my self up and take israelis with me will fix the problem?
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Never said that, although now that you mention it.....:)
Go over and protest and picket and work to make change were it will matter, which IS NOT here..

And the deal offered was to give land solely for the Palestinians people...and that deal was almost universally acknowledged as a fair deal, considering the circumstances. the offer was rejected by the same people who have stolen millions contributed to help the palestinians.....

By the way, how about the "zionist" pilots who have refused to bomb targets which could lead to civilian death...you can not give acknowledgement to any act a jew does, even if it helps "your" people..and that is really the problem. You do not want a fair system for all, you want dead jews...the only solution you would ever be happy with is the total abandonment of the middle east by all jews..

How about you show how much you care about the innocent jews who just got blown up, post some nice pixs of thier mangled bodies....No? Hmmmmmmmm

finally, you should not trust Al'Jazeera, the fine news source with ties to terrorists...try something less biased, like pravda:)

This RX8 forum is for our cars. I am getting sick of seeing Mental Pimp constantly bring this kind of crap to this forum. It needs to stop. Like NOW!!!! Take your commets related to world pain and take it some where else. Good Day

sorry mmmdowning but the lounge is for stuff like this. for when people want to talk about something besides the rx-8 with the other people here. just stay out of the lounge and you wont have to see it.

I'm sorry too, Its just that I was in Dessert Storm (ARMY) and as a civilan in the Iraqi Freedom and got home in Aug. My heart goes out to the families who have lost love ones and close friends. It's just a bad subject WAR and children. You are right I need to stay out. I've done my fighting. One last comment, I come to the forum to chat to people who have a common bond, the RX8. I enjoy it. But the talk of war, politics, and children wasn't something I was expecting on this site.

thanks mmmdowning. that was perhaps the most wisdom so far in any of these types of threads- find things to agree on and perhaps form a common bond that will allow people to forgive the things they disagree over. find a way to live with each other instead of more reasons to kill each other.

Okay, not discussing this again. I should have shut it down the minute it was started, but I thought maybe we could give it a change. Apparently that's not a good idea. No more Israel/Palestine threads, because 1) it's not ANYTHING anyone here can fix and 2) It is not something that can be discussed without emotions getting in the way, as this thread has once again evinced. No matter what you say, mental, you are biased in this case, and cannot look at the problem with an objective viewpoint. That is only going to cause more and more ugly debate, and this forum is NOT the place for it.