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qberror 01-27-2004, 03:26 AM LEGALIZING ALL DRUGS would solve a lot of problems. Here are the pros and cons:
PROs:
1. Dealers and manufacturer (the mafia) would no longer make millions selling drugs. They would be unemployed. The goverment is able to make drugs for almost free (cost only cents to make durgs), therefore the goverment would give the drugs away for free to addicts. The whole market would dissappear!
2. Addicts would no longer be criminals and you could help them better. They would also get clean drugs which is a lot safer.
3. Billions of dollars would be saved since the "War on Drugs" would be over. That money could be used to help addicts and prevent others from becoming addicts.
4. Addicts would no longer be forced to steal money, do prostitution or other illegal things, since the drugs are free.
5. In a "true" free country people should decicde for themselves.
CONs:
I can't think of any. Can you help me out ?
More drug use because it is legal ? I dont think so. I am not taking drugs because I decided so and not because the goverment told me not to. If they would be legal I still would not take drugs. Those two variables have nothing to do with drug use or not. It is other issues that decide if somebody becomes an addict. In the Netherlands they legalized Cannabis and there was no increase in drug usuage. This proves to a part my opinion.
Legalizing drugs would mean, that you would start in a controlled environment, where addicts can get free drugs in a pharmacy. Only the goverment would make the drugs, there would be of course NO commercials and promotions for it like we have it with alcohol and cigarrets! The only point in legalizing is to put drug dealers and manufacturers out of a job. Simple economics.
Looking forward to your comments....
Kaliken 01-27-2004, 10:53 AM ummm yeah and I want a doped up crackhead driving his car right behind me.. great..
jtimbck2 01-27-2004, 11:29 AM Nobody is suggesting that legalizing pot or other drugs also means legalizing operating a vehicle while under the influence!
Outlaws eXtreme 01-27-2004, 11:34 AM One word why Legalizing drugs and regulating it by the govt. works...
Amsterdam.
Kaliken 01-27-2004, 11:53 AM hmm you open my eyes to the simplicity of the matter..
lets legalize some really nasty mind altering drugs then make it illegal to operate machinery. Works for alcohol so why not this right? Problem solved.
RotaryX 01-27-2004, 12:17 PM i voted for Only light drugs (e.g. cannabis) should be legalized. Hard drugs have to remain illegal. I take Bill O'rielly's stance on this issue. Who cares who smoke some weed in the privacy of there home or any other non-public place. I don't smoke and never have but just keep it out of the view of easily impressionable children, and let grown folks make up there own mind. No worse than liquor and cigs.
zoom44 01-27-2004, 02:25 PM legalize all drugs and then make them free to addicts? why the hell should people use them get them for free? i'm a smoker so i am probably addicted to nicotine. Should i get free smokes? should the alcoholic get free booze?
eclps0 01-27-2004, 04:31 PM I think when people do drugs it shows a sign of there weakness. I would never touch weed, cigarettes, or any kind of drug for that matter. My cousin killed himself when he was high I don't associate with people that do drugs or have any friends that do drugs. So I can say no do not legalize drugs.
Are you crazy. Drugs are bad for you, everyone knows that.
qberror 02-03-2004, 03:22 AM Originally posted by TMK
Are you crazy. Drugs are bad for you, everyone knows that.
Exactly! That's why the goverment should control it and not the drug dealers. They have little education on drug abuse!
Jeff_pap31s 02-03-2004, 04:12 AM Originally posted by RotaryX
i voted for Only light drugs (e.g. cannabis) should be legalized. Hard drugs have to remain illegal. I take Bill O'rielly's stance on this issue. Who cares who smoke some weed in the privacy of there home or any other non-public place. I don't smoke and never have but just keep it out of the view of easily impressionable children, and let grown folks make up there own mind. No worse than liquor and cigs.
I totally agree!:D Nothing more need be said!:eek:
Jeff_pap31s 02-03-2004, 04:22 AM Originally posted by eclps0
I think when people do drugs it shows a sign of there weakness. I would never touch weed, cigarettes, or any kind of drug for that matter. My cousin killed himself when he was high I don't associate with people that do drugs or have any friends that do drugs. So I can say no do not legalize drugs.
Its not a sign of weakness for weed man. Some people just want to get high on bud. Bud does not make people kill themselves. Nor has anyone ever commited suicide from the direct result of bud. Harder drugs maybe. You are just a closed minded person. Technically alchohal is a drug so you better not associate with about 99% of the population because they are druggies too. Let people do what they want as long as it doesn't infringe on the freedoms of others. This is supposed to be a free country.;)
Weed is a NATURAL substance not a synthetic, chemical compound that is mixed with say for example the Poppy plant to form Cocaine....this actually is what the Native Americans used as a peace offering , as in smoking their PEACE PIPES>..they tricked the early settlers into growing Tobacco because the toxins in tobacco were much worse than in PURE Cannibis...now some have proven otherwise but still....weed doesn't bother me....hell look at Canada they got smart....it's decriminalized there....WEED is not a gateway drug or a hard drug...people that go from weed to coke to heroin to DEAD would have do it without the introduction of weed...hell you could say alcohol is a gateway drug as well....look what it brings with it....
Speed-ER doc 02-05-2004, 06:58 PM From a medical standpoint, marijuana is a much safer drug than alcohol. There is no lethal dose of marijuana (unlike alcohol). An overly stoned person is much more pleasant to be around than an overly or even minimally drunk person. The long term and short term health effects are less with MJ than alcohol. There are essentially no violent effects, unlike alcohol and cocaine. And the hangover is less. There really aren't any good scientific reasons why MJ should not be legalized; it is just unfortunately and imo inaccurately bundled together with the "War on Drugs." I think the federal government should at least leave it to each state to decide.
The "harder" drugs such as cocaine, ecstasy, heroin, and such are too dangerous to be legally available, because they DO have lethal and otherwise unpleasant effects. It would be better to decriminalize them imo, and perhaps have them available in certain addiction clinics at monitored doses, like methadone is used now. It amazes and sickens me that possession of one of these substances carries the same penalty (felony) as molesting a child or assaulting someone.
Jeff_pap31s 02-05-2004, 10:14 PM Best said coming from a doctor!
RX-GR8 02-05-2004, 11:05 PM Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
From a medical standpoint, marijuana is a much safer drug than alcohol. There is no lethal dose of marijuana (unlike alcohol). An overly stoned person is much more pleasant to be around than an overly or even minimally drunk person. The long term and short term health effects are less with MJ than alcohol. There are essentially no violent effects, unlike alcohol and cocaine. And the hangover is less. There really aren't any good scientific reasons why MJ should not be legalized; it is just unfortunately and imo inaccurately bundled together with the "War on Drugs." I think the federal government should at least leave it to each state to decide.
The "harder" drugs such as cocaine, ecstasy, heroin, and such are too dangerous to be legally available, because they DO have lethal and otherwise unpleasant effects. It would be better to decriminalize them imo, and perhaps have them available in certain addiction clinics at monitored doses, like methadone is used now. It amazes and sickens me that possession of one of these substances carries the same penalty (felony) as molesting a child or assaulting someone.
gonna have to respectfully disagree with you here doc. Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. It also can affect the ability of the smoker’s body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms. marijuana is physically addicting. Each year, 100,000 people in the United States alone are treated for marijuana dependence. Studies suggest that marijuana may cause permanent short- and long-term memory loss. Ok maybe its "safer" than achohol but is it ready to be legalized? not sure about that.
Speed-ER doc 02-05-2004, 11:28 PM Certainly not harmless, I agree. And I'm not condoning use of any of these substances. BUT, it makes no sense to me to allow alcohol and tobacco use and disallow MJ use. How many people are in AA? More than 100K I'll bet. Something like 350,000 people die every day from cigarettes.
Nobody uses any of these things to live longer, they use them to better enjoy the time they've got. I say let'em. But we can disagree.
Jeff_pap31s 02-05-2004, 11:34 PM Originally posted by RX-GR8
gonna have to respectfully disagree with you here doc. Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. It also can affect the ability of the smoker’s body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms. marijuana is physically addicting. Each year, 100,000 people in the United States alone are treated for marijuana dependence. Studies suggest that marijuana may cause permanent short- and long-term memory loss. Ok maybe its "safer" than achohol but is it ready to be legalized? not sure about that.
I am going to disagree on a few points here. Although I do agree that any smoking damages the body, pot is not physically addicting. I know a few people and can neither confirm nor deny myself that uses it on an occaisional basis. W/O it, it does not bother us. We don't feel the need to have it. Some people just don't care and smoke everyday. But, when they need to stop, they stop. As for the studies that suggest memory loss? Well, everyone I know are engineers that have no problem doing what they do. Lastly, as for being legalized? It should. Why? We should have the right to do whatever we want to as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and liberties of others (I.E. DWI). The government should not have the right to tell me whats bad for me. I should have the right to say and do what I want. Pot has been smoked for thousands of years and is not a synthetic drug.:eek:
Speed-ER doc 02-06-2004, 12:04 AM MJ is not truly physically addicting, although some minor physiologic changes (heart rate, body temp, etc.) may occur with withdrawal after prolonged use, these are subtle and not often noticed by the user. A stronger case can be made for its psychological addiction, which is STILL probably less than alcohol or cigs.
Certainly the seizures, hallucinations, and unstable vital signs seen in alcohol withdrawal (delirium tremens, which can be life-threatening) are much more serious. Ever see Nick Cage in 'Leaving Las Vegas?' In real life it's even worse than that.
Cigarettes are said to be as addictive as cocaine or heroin, and kill many more people.
The prohibitrion of this natural substance just seems illogical to me. Ever hear the song, Cheeba-Cheeba by Ton Loc? Hilarious!
RX-GR8 02-06-2004, 12:15 AM .
Speed-ER doc 02-06-2004, 12:19 AM Is that a doobie in his hand or a scalpel? I had something else funny to say, but I forgot what it was.........hmmmm
<yelling to wife>
"Honey, where are those Pop-Tarts!"
:D
RX-GR8 02-06-2004, 12:20 AM LOL
Jeff_pap31s 02-06-2004, 12:29 AM LOL
Astor 02-06-2004, 01:13 AM I believe the government is involved in far too many things as it is. Marijuana grows in the wild, not the very good kind, but it can. You literally have to do nothing other than dry it to use it. It really shouldn't be in the Government's hands. As for other drugs, I believe if you can grow it in your backyard and make it work for you and it doesn't hurt anyone else, good luck, have a fun project. Free drugs, nothing is free. You give a crackhead enough crack, they will smoke until their heart explodes. I agree the illegal trade perpetuates the drug problems and puts money in the wrong hands but, I don't think it would be a good idea to give drugs away for free.
qberror 02-06-2004, 02:35 AM Originally posted by Jeff_pap31s
We should have the right to do whatever we want to as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and liberties of others (I.E. DWI). The government should not have the right to tell me whats bad for me. I should have the right to say and do what I want.
Exactly. NOBODY should tell me what to do or not to do, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and liberties of others.
It's a simple rule. But we are far away from a true free country...
Jeff_pap31s 02-06-2004, 03:27 AM Originally posted by qberror
Exactly. NOBODY should tell me what to do or not to do, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and liberties of others.
It's a simple rule. But we are far away from a true free country...
Atleast you live in Germany man! Its easy to get hashish by a train station! LOL But I wouldn't know that! I would tell you to listen to Bill Maher on HBO, but you probably don't have it there.:p
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