Guess Ill Have to buy new one!!

Now I only have about $600 to spend and i need a little input. It looks like I have afew choices in the 32/37/40 inch range



Samsung LN40B550 40" 1080p 60hz $599

Dynex DX-L40-10 40" 1080p 60hz $499

Vizio VL370M 37" 1080p 60hz $529

Vizio SV370XVT 37" 1080p 120hz $629

Vizio SV320XVt 32" 1080 120hz $529


So it basically comes down to the larger screen vs the 120hz. What do you think?

These will all fit in the budget and our existing cabinet. However there is one more sort of outlier possiblity. It wont fit in the existing cabinet so would bring a number of other issues to deal with and its a little more than I was thinking of spending

Vizio SV422XVT 42" 1080p 240hz WIFI $849 the remote has a keyboard in it - opens like a phone- you can do face book from it look at photos at picasa, stream shows/movies etc.

The Vizio may seem nice with all it's gizmos and gadgets, but in reality, are you really going to use them all?

When the gf and I went shopping for an LCD, we picked up a 40 inch 120hz 1080p for $500 on sale at Best Buy. I would recommend shopping around for one that is on sale; places have them on sale constantly just like computers.

Samsung LED, the rest are crap. Don't pay attention too much to 1080P, 1080I, etc. I have seen good 720's that look way better than cheapy 1080I's.

http://www.abt.com/product/45081/Samsung-UN32C4000.html?utm_source=scfroogle&utm_medium=sc&utm_campaign=froogle

i bought mine a year ago and after a ton of research and viewing them side by side at multiple locations, i went with the samsung 40" but went with the 120hz. i'm not sure that there was much of a difference i could see but the prices were so close when i was purchasing that i went with the 120hz. i've been extremely happy with mine and everyone who sees it has said it looks crisper than theirs.

Some can not truly see it, but personally, I can see a difference between the 60hz and the 120hz. But, that is comparing a name brand 60hz with the same name brand 120hz. A poor quality brand 120hz can look worse than a name brand 60hz. I would recommend def going with a name brand from what I have seen in my research. The same goes for 720 vs 1080

why get an already on the up and out model? the 240hz TVs are now out... wait for tax refund if you have one coming to get a step up in model(s).

Watching 120hz TVs makes me ill... Nauseating.. I don't know why, it judders unnaturally and plays tricks with my head....

So I got a plasma :)

Watching 120hz TVs makes me ill... Nauseating.. I don't know why, it judders unnaturally and plays tricks with my head....

So I got a plasma :)

Getting a plasma vs LCD vs LED all depends on the lighting in the room. Since LED and LCD work off of light bulbs, they are good for any type of room lighting and sunlight quantity. Plasma however, is only good in dark rooms with minimal sunlight because they work off of mirrors. If a plasma is in a room with too much sunlight, there will be glares all over the TV. So, the quantity of sunlight that shines into the room, is the deciding factor between plasma, LED and LCD

What ever you decide, get a 120 Hz or greater. The action scenes are smoother with the higher refresh rate.
Unless you are getting a really big screen, 1080 is possibly overkill. 720P should suffice.
Plasma suffers from burn-in with video games.
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first i was going to say samsung, but in reality none of them. i realize you're on a budget, but you gotta at least get 120hz. like someone else said, 240hz are coming out now...there is a big dif between 60hz and 120hz, and with 120hz already being replaced, a "new" tv with 60hz will seem prehistoric within a year.

keep looking for 120hz in your price range, there's bound to be a sale soon or something. i realize one of the vizio's is 120hz, but although gf had one w/ no problems, i wouldn't get a vizio.

Plasma suffers from burn-in with video games.

I could be wrong, but I thought LCD screens have the same problem with burn-in when a game or image is paused for too long? I am not sure about burn-in with the LED, I don't know much about them yet.

Plasma is known for it, LCD's I'm not aware of any such burn-ins. I've had my Samsung 120hz 1080p for 1 1/2 years now with no such issue. I've let my 360 games sit there in pause until the screen dims and never got such a thing.

^ You are probably right then. I was under the impression the light bulbs would burn into the screen having all the same ones lit for an extended period of time.

i'm not aware of burn-in on lcd's, at least not as likely as with plasma. i think many plasma's have at least somewhat fixed this issue though, so i would base it more on ambient lighting like already mentioned above.

720p is a good point...i'd go w/ 120hz and 720p over 1080p and 60hz. hz is refresh rate/movement. sports, games will look pretty bad with 60hz. i have one 720p and one 1080p (both 120hz), and while i can notice a difference between the picture quality, it's only when i literally walk from one tv to the other w/ the same thing on. if i'm only watching the 720p, it looks just fine.

One more thing, Plasma TV's use more electricity than LCD's . LED's use the least, but they are also very expensive.

Tv's are like OS's, everyone has an opinion on whats the better one, whats over priced, etc. So why not add my 2 cents :)

Go plasma, but if you go lcd 240hz is a waste of money.

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lots of TV that says 720p only actually do work at 1080p just fine.

Question, is 120Hz fulltime for digital signals, or is it source dependent?

I know its fulltime for analog, because it looks like 120Hz (home-movie-ish).

Ex. Commonly digital signals are synced to minimize tearing associated with out-of-sync frames. (V-sync option on PCs).

Tidbit, all hollywood movies are 24Hz.

Ah nvm!

Googled and apparently 120Hz's biggest kick is that it CAN directly upscale 24Hz movies without having to run any conversions on it (since its a multiple).

This eliminates the processing that needs to be done by the standard 60Hz TV (60 isn't a multiple of 24! )with the signal, thus increasing the quality and the speed of the draw on-screen (especially with interlaced content!)

So the biggest difference would be with Bluerays, DVD, and other content shot at 24Hz! and it would explain why analog (normally shot at 30Hz) looks so weird!

direcTVs 1080p PPV stations are also broadcast in 1080/24. so looks really nice on 120hz.

Although I've had very good luck with Samsung, given the choices the 120 Hz 37" Vizio is the best choice imho. Of course with an LCD it's not traditional line refresh Hz, but rather change-of-state pixel rapidity Hz that's important, but as always faster is better.

I have both a 42" and a 37" and honestly the 37" is just as good if you can sit a bit closer.

Plus Vizio is an American company (Irvine, CA; granted foreign glass).

Dang! Now I want digital cable!

Once you go HD you'll never go back. Honestly! Even 'regular' digital is far superior to analog.

Although I've had very good luck with Samsung, given the choices the 120 Hz 37" Vizio is the best choice imho. Of course with an LCD it's not traditional line refresh Hz, but rather change-of-state pixel rapidity Hz that's important, but as always faster is better.

I have both a 42" and a 37" and honestly the 37" is just as good if you can sit a bit closer.

Plus Vizio is an American company (Irvine, CA; granted foreign glass).

my .02 if you decide to go with a vizio. insignia IS vizio with nothing more than a sticker on it saying "Insignia". it is just a branded name by BestBuy with the guts being vizio. save the extra money, support an american company, its a win-win IF you go vizio.

When this thread started I was thinking that that Vizio was Eizo (uber high end LCDs) based purely on namesake.

I would have gotten a 120hz LCD if it didn't make me sick watching it...
I would have gotten an LED if they hadn't just come out...

I do have light problems with my plasma.
I do not have burn-in problems with my plasma.

I got a killer deal on a 42" Pioneer S1... Oh, and I was damn tired of shopping around.

Samsung all the way!

Like people already mentioned, go no lower than 120 hz. 120 is great for sports , I have a 60hz in my bed room and watching football you get slight ghosting. On my 120hz in the living room no , ghosting, crystal clear visuals.

When people compare there tv to my Samsung they notice my Samsung is sharper, the black are true black not grey-black, contrast is cleaner, color is more vibrant than theres. Samsung and Sony brands are made in the same factory and use the same tech , different casing. Only difference is that you will pay 200-500 more for Sony's name.

Make sure it says 1080P, don't settle for 720p , no matter what anybody tells you. 1080p is true HD.

Those cheaper sets may offer more, but I bet they don't offer Samsung reliability. Plenty of guys in my office went with Vizio, LG,Westing house,all of them are crying the blues now after two years of service and broke. All were LCD comparable TV's to Samsungs, but the reliabilty is not there. Don't go cheap, you'll be sorry in the end....

Also make sure the Tv you buy has 2 or more HDMI ports in the back along with plenty of A/V, Component, S-Videos jack in the back. Mine has 3 HDMI ports and DI port, computer port, digital audio port and a handful of regular A/V ports. Its nothing more frustrating then not having enough ports for your accesories.

LCD,LED, Plasma, there all good!Anything you buy over 2007 has the tech 2 hardware in it, so the visuals should be top notched compared to a flat screen in 2004.

Can't think of anything else, just read up on any Tv your interested in and read professional reviews as well as consumer reviews, this aided me in my purchase.

Happy Tv hunting!

Also make sure the Tv you buy has 2 or more HDMI ports in the back along with plenty of A/V, Component, S-Videos jack in the back. Its nothing more frustrating then not having enough ports for your accesories.

When I was looking at TV's , I thought 2 HDMI ports would be enough. I had a Direct TV receiver & DVD player. Who would want more? My Sony has 4 HDMI inputs. Now I have a HD Cam. If I add a Home Media Computer or Game Console (or something else), that will fill all 4 ports.

3 of my 4 are in use 24/7. the need for 6 on my next tv set for sure. that is of course assuming the next technology hasn't hit the market.

When I was looking at TV's , I thought 2 HDMI ports would be enough. I had a Direct TV receiver & DVD player. Who would want more? My Sony has 4 HDMI inputs. Now I have a HD Cam. If I add a Home Media Computer or Game Console (or something else), that will fill all 4 ports.

A HDMI switch (multi-HDMI-input-to-one-HDMI-output) will solve that.

One more remote to worry about.:sad:

One more remote to worry about.:sad:

Hehehe ... the HDMI switch I use can auto-detect the input signal --- works great. You can also use it manually or with a remote, but I don't bother.

Since I don't think anyone's said it yet I'll state the obvious - as a truly 'eye of the beholder' item be sure you see your short list sets in action, with comparable feeds. Everyone's perception is different. Some people can tolerate slower refresh than others, such as myself, need the fastest available. I was the type that needed 85 hz on a CRT when most others could get by with 60 hz. Note again that 'refresh' in this LCD context is speed of pixel change-of-state capability.

The Xbox 360 'only' has component video out (1080p capable of course tho'), but I do use HDMI for all my other peripherals.

I have seen all the sets and afew more in the last couple of days. I think im decided on the Vizio 37" 1080p 120hz. I simply can't find a 720p 120hz model in my area (unless its less than 32") which if i could would probably be "good enough" at this size. That 40" samsung at $599 is very tempting but its only 60hz.

There also aren't many choices between 32 and 40. Seems this year most of the companies have dropped the 37" size and many of the 40" models are too wide to fit in my cabinet.

I have seen all the sets and afew more in the last couple of days. I think im decided on the Vizio 37" 1080p 120hz. I simply can't find a 720p 120hz model in my area (unless its less than 32") which if i could would probably be "good enough" at this size. That 40" samsung at $599 is very tempting but its only 60hz.

There also aren't many choices between 32 and 40. Seems this year most of the companies have dropped the 37" size and many of the 40" models are too wide to fit in my cabinet.

I would keep looking then ,thats if your not in a rush, Vizio is meh...
Check Amazon or overstock.com for competitive prices.

My brother has a 60hz Samsung and honestly it smokes my 60hz Philips Magnavox 60hz in color, clarity , contrast and black scale. Minimal ghosting if any on his Samsung compared to mine, both 32" LCD 1080p sets. Philip Magnavox are decent , better than Vizio. Check out the Pioneers and Mitsubishi sets too.

Dude if you go with 720p your short changing yourself , pay the extra coin and get you a 1080p set. I don't know who your provider is, but mine is Direct TV, they have loads of HD channels that broad cast in 1080p ,very few 720p stations. Plus if you decide to watch HD Blu-Ray Movies there done in 1080p. There was more 720p stations pre 2005 , now its more 1080p stations and the media is now being made in 1080p. I rather have a set that can display in 1080p with a 60hz refresh than a set that can display 720p with a 120 Hz refresh.

If your not going to be watching alot of sports then don't worry about getting a 120hz, save your cash and buy a 60 hz Tv that fits your needs.

So ..... the 599 Sammy 40 inch at Fred Meyers with only factory warranty or the 629 Vizio at Costco with 2 year warranty thanks to costco?

and wouldn't blu-ray be better with 120hz?

240hz is a crock of shit. Its just an excuse for company's to charge more for the same technology. There IS a difference between 60hz and 120hz, but you will really only notice it when watching things like high action movies with a lot of car chases, Nascar races, or watching Football. Other then that, 60hz is fine. The difference between 120hz and 240hz is extremely minimal to the human eye. Unless your bionic, don't bother. It is no where near worth the price difference. Use 240hz as an excuse to get a 120hz cheaper.

Buy 60hz if you dont watch races and sports.
Buy 120hz if you do.
Buy 240hz if you have money to throw away. Otherwise spend it on your 8 or a BlueRay home entertainment system.

ok i think im going with the Sammy. i can't find it for less than 699 anywhwere even Amazon pricegrabber etc. Its an insane price at 599 so im just going to go get it

ok i think im going with the Sammy. i can't find it for less than 699 anywhwere even Amazon pricegrabber etc. Its an insane price at 599 so im just going to go get it

dew eet.

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This is an interesting tidbit I found on DBSTalk.Com:

Sports look better to some people in 720p (as compared to 1080i) because 720p uses 60 frames per second as compared to 1080i's 30 frames per second. As a result fast motion looks better with less artifacts. However, I find for typical TV dramas 1080i looks much better as compared to 720p. This is when viewed on my 120 inch screen using an Epson 1080p front projector at a 13 ft. viewing distance. The image on such shows as 24 and Lost (Fox and ABC both broadcast in 720p) looks soft as compared to well make dramas on CBS and NBC (both 1080i). When viewed on my smaller 1080p HDTVs (e.g. 65 inch at approx. 12 ft. viewing distance) the difference is less visible. Directv HD STBs and DVRs already support 1080p/24 for some movies but none of the cable networks (e.g., HBO, USA, etc.) distribute programs in this format. Ideally for sports 1080p/60 would be used but this requires much more bandwidth (higher data rates) that 720p or 1080i or 1080p/24 which is alway a concern for satellite providers. Also 1080p/60 is not part of either the over-the-air ATSC broadcast standard nor even the Blu-ray Disc standard for the recorded content. The approach being used by Directv (and cable companies) to carry 3D is to limit the right and left images to half resolution (half the total number of pixels per image) allowing the 3D video to be carried in a data steam at the same data rate as normal 1080i.

The Samsung is nice. I got the same one.

I say Samsung, and try and find a 1080i not 1080p.....the quality of a 1080p is really closer to a 720i. It's difficult to explain, but a 1080i is what it is, a 1080i.

GL with what you choose, I have a 32'' Samsung 720i in my room, love it...I hope I'll get a 42-47'' for the living room soon.

Walter..

I say Samsung, and try and find a 1080i not 1080p.....the quality of a 1080p is really closer to a 720i. It's difficult to explain, but a 1080i is what it is, a 1080i.

GL with what you choose, I have a 32'' Samsung 720i in my room, love it...I hope I'll get a 42-47'' for the living room soon.

Walter..
Are you sure about the 720i? Nothing is broadcast in that format. BluRay is 1080p. Network TV & Direct Tv HD is 1080i or 720p. Standard Def is 480i. Enhanced D is 480p.

Ok so I decided to get the Sammy as it was just agreat deal. Set it up Sunday evening and it was beautiful. Except it didn't fit.

I measured that cabinet 5 times and the TV 3 so how didn't it fit? wll the doors to my cabinet slide into the cabinet when they're open. I measured from inside to inside of the doors. But what I didn't realize is that the doors have a little slop because of the hinges. I was measuring at the end of the doors where the slight angle they have when open gives them an extra 1/4 inch.

The Sammy on its stand sat about 4 inches in further than the previous tv so it was in the narrower part. The doors scraped the sides of the TV when you tried to slide them out to close them.

So back it went and I ended up with the Vizio 37" 1080p 120hz from Costco. It was the largest TV I could find that would fit plus since I bought it at Costco the double the warranty to 2 full years.

The picture is great and it has a couple other nice features I've wanted for along time- notably the SRS system which forces the volume to remain the same when going into commercial breaks or switching channels. I have really had it with ads being blasted between shows or 1 channel being exceptionally quieter than the next.

^ That was my choice (Vizio 37" 1080p 120hz). I win.... and so do you. ;)

I had to go with a 37" in a bedroom cabinet for a very similar reason.

zoom: bummer the samsung didn't fit but I think the Vizio is an excellent choice.
my brother has a 50" Vizio and it's a hell of a TV. Plus, you simply can't beat that 2 year warranty at costco.

SRS is a MUST. commercials are sooooooooo much louder than shows now days and its REALLY FKING annoying.