I am interested on your opinion on the war on Iraq. Please state your opinion and comment on it.

it was a good idea to take saddam out, but the way and the reason they did it was unnaceptable

Saddam was a very bad man and it's safer with him arrested. Everything else about this war was-is WRONG. Going against the UN was not a good thing for US citizens, Bush had decided months in advance he would invade Iraq and he stopped at nothing to achieve his goal, lied to you and the world. Weapons of mass destruction? A JOKE ...

You people have no idea what you are talking about! Weapons of mass destruction were documented after the Gulf War. With no inspectors in there, Saddam had plenty of time to dispurse them. Stop believe everything you hear on the news. He didn't lie, the intel was bad.Oh yeah! They guy who wrote that our president lied in from a country who didn't back us. Going against the UN is not good for US citizens? Well, with out the US, there is no UN! We fund practically everything the UN does. Better to say that it was bad for the countries that didn't support the US. Try to open your mind and look at the whole picture and not just what you want to see.

Good idea, bad execution.

I just do what my boss tells me to do. Regardless of what I think... I don't have the luxury to question my country's decisions. I do what it takes to ensure everyone else has the right to question whoever and whatever they choose.

Signed, A proud member of the USAF

Does anyone really feel safer? No one, not even members of Bush's administration, are still making the connection between 911 and Sadam. Notice how the Army War College called going into Iraq a strategic mistake?

Originally posted by Texas 8
I just do what my boss tells me to do. Regardless of what I think... I don't have the luxury to question my country's decisions. I do what it takes to ensure everyone else has the right to question whoever and whatever they choose.

Signed, A proud member of the USAF

You do have the luxury to question your country's actions. In fact it is your responsibility in a democracy. Though as a member of the armed forces you must also follow orders unless they are illegal. Many times I have expressed disagreement with a decision but still faithfully enacted that decision.

Well said Texas 8! This is what we get paid to do whether we agree or not. My job is to go wherever whenever our country needs us to go even if the media incorrectly portrays the reasoning.

You may or may not feel safer since Saddam's capture, but I am glad that there is now one less financier for terrorism. There surely will be more, but rather than split hairs over why or how, let's give my fellow comrades-in-arms the thanks they deserve for putting their lives on the line day after day and doing a great job in Iraq!

God Bless the USA!!

Another member of the USAF serving you proudly for the last 15 years.

hey Air Force RX8!!

how did things go with your repairs? i never did hear if you got them done in time for you move.

No one will ever take away from what a soldier does for his country. I hold them in the highest regard with the utmost respect, especially being from a family who has served, and still does, this country for decades in every branch.

I still stand by the belief our current policy is based off of knee jerk reaction and that scares me. I hope the best for those that put their lives at risk for their country.

Again, I still say right war but wrong general. Make sense?

The war was right.
As a spouse of a ten year military veteran I've have lived and worked in other countries. So my perspective on the world is a little different then most.

Wether the war was for oil or not does not really matter, the end result is the same. The people of Iraq are better off, period.

Also on the weapons of mass destruction, what we need to remember is Sadam used chemical weapons on his own people. He was commiting Genocide! That alone should be enought to validate the US getting rid of him by any means!

Yes, I'm sorry our brothers and sisters in arms lost thier lives, but their deaths were honerable, and they helped the entire world by ending Sadam's reign. All men and women of the military deserve our utmost respect and thanks.

Sorry this is so long winded this is a very sore subject for me.

Originally posted by f1michel
Saddam was a very bad man and it's safer with him arrested. Everything else about this war was-is WRONG. Going against the UN was not a good thing for US citizens, Bush had decided months in advance he would invade Iraq and he stopped at nothing to achieve his goal, lied to you and the world. Weapons of mass destruction? A JOKE ... Couldn't agree with you more, and I am a patriotic American, retired Naval officer (US Navy, that is), now a loyal defense contractor. But unless a democracy can tolerate dissent it is no longer strong. We need not fear it. It was clear from the earliest months of the Bush administration that he wanted to invade Iraq. 9/11 seemingly gave him an excuse for those not willing to look too deeply. It was mass deception on an unprecedented scale and I find it demoralizing that so many Americans blindly accept his story without examining for themselves the underlying facts. Think, idiots -- Iraq is a secular state, the very type of government that Bin Laden has sworn to overthrow. Do you not understand that bin Laden wants Islamic extremists to run Islamic nations? That is exactly what Hussein isn't. If you don't even understand this, then you shouldn't be debating mideast politics.

Sure it's good Saddam's gone, but he was never a threat to us and certainly not an "imminent threat." Are we gonna invade every country who's leader we don't like? Ok, North Korea's next, then probably a few African nations, .... The reason no WMDs were found is that inspections were working. Inspectors destroyed more Iraqi WMDs following the first Gulf war than the war itself. Inspectors were put back in country after hard negotiations, then Dubya unilaterally declared "No more inspections", pulled the inspectors out, and launched a war. What sense does that make? Iraq was fully contained with daily patrols (remember the North and South no fly zones? They were being enforced.)

Anyone who says "The ends justifies the means" truly scares me. Isn't that what ethnic cleansing, Stalinist purges, and the Holocaust were all about?

The war was the right thing to do and it was excecuted brilliantly. We are bringing democracy and freedom to the heart of our enemy (Islamic killers).
There was no lie. Bush presented the best intellegence we had at the time. The UN found WMD. There was no proof of it being destroyed. How is that a lie? You just hate Bush, no matter what he does.
Working with the UN is a joke. They are a dictators club that do not represent the people of the world. Germany and France said under NO circumstances would they support the war. How do you negotiate with that? It's unrealistic.

If you want to be knowledgable about Bush's plan, read this article. It lays it all out clearly (although you will never see it in the biased mass media).

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/11/print/20031119-1.html

Islamic Killers???, look , saddam may be muslim , but him and Al'qaeda (excluding Osama) are killers but they are not Real Followers of Islam, so if u wanna include Islam into terrorism then your wrong, fix that to arab killers or middle east killers, but not Islamic Killers, a real follower of Islam would be peaceful and Saddam is not, so i dont consider him Muslim.

If it wasn't for 9/11 Bush's popularity in the US would be way down.
He is not even the legitimate President of the US, and he is giving the American people a bad name.

Maybe Germany and France said they wouldn't support the war because they felt the same ends could be achieved without invading Iraq?

Something needed to be done about Saddam eventually, but invading Iraq now was neither the time nor the method to do it. Simple truth: the U.S cannot afford this war right not. You have a guy in the White House who cannot manage to curb his spending habits. The deficit is growing to astronomical proportions, to the point where the world will not keep the U.S dollar's value inflated for much longer. When that stops happening, some of you americans are in for a very, very rude awakening.

And to clarify, I am not an "American Hater". I happen to be married to an American, and living in Atlanta, GA. I have complete respect for those in the military, and I pity them for the situation that Bush has put them in.

One simple truth is, if you take away Bush's war, you have to look at the other things he is doing as president, and he is doing a miserable job. He is spending money like water, repealing a lot of environmental protections, and though you may not feel it, your children will be paying for both Iraq and the rest of Bush's spending for a long, long time - and they won't be any safer for it.

"Islamic Killers???, look , saddam may be muslim , but him and Al'qaeda (excluding Osama) are killers but they are not Real Followers of Islam, so if u wanna include Islam into terrorism then your wrong, fix that to arab killers or middle east killers, but not Islamic Killers, a real follower of Islam would be peaceful and Saddam is not, so i dont consider him Muslim."

The Quoran teaches to kill the infidel. Leave your home and die a martyr. You must not make friends of Jews or Christians. The only people trying to kill us are Muslims. The mullas teach the recitation of the Quoran and to hate the west. Islam is at the root of the hate of the west. True, Saddam used Islam when it suited him, but the bigger picture is that in Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and other mainly Islamic areas, they want to kill us all. Hamas wants to destroy Isreal. How can we have peace with them?

To say that "real follower[s] of Islam would be peaceful" is outrageous. Either you don't know the facts or choose to ignore them. Study before you make such a ridiculous statement.


"...he is doing a miserable job."

Are we living in the same country? Every economic indicator is up, we have not been attacked on US soil since 9/11/2001 (if we were, I'm sure you'd blame Bush so why not give him credit for keeping us safe?), our standard of living has never been higher, we are looking to the stars for inspiration and economic growth, we are changing the world for the better (peace and democracy by ridding the world of religious, radical hate-mongers) and the government is stealing less of our hard-earned money. How do you see that as "miserable"?????

> Are we living in the same country?

Les, sometimes I think we're on a different planet. Yes, economic indicators are up from last mionth, but way down from 3 years ago. I was out of a job for 10 months, so I can't say my standard of living was higher over the last 3 years. I think that if W weren't so busy with Iraq, he could have prevented 9/11. If W hadn't pissed off the rest of the world, we would also be a lot safer. As for hate-mongers, well I just have to look at your comments about Islamic Killers.

I thank all you military guys who are doing your job. I just don't think the threat was imminent enough to lose a thousand of our very valuable soldiers. I too have lived in another country, not as a military person, and I just don't think we should go around telling other people how to live. It tends to piss them off.

If Bush had any real guts, he'd do something about North Korea.

Originally posted by LesPaul


The Quoran teaches to kill the infidel. Leave your home and die a martyr. You must not make friends of Jews or Christians. The only people trying to kill us are Muslims. The mullas teach the recitation of the Quoran and to hate the west. Islam is at the root of the hate of the west. True, Saddam used Islam when it suited him, but the bigger picture is that in Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and other mainly Islamic areas, they want to kill us all. Hamas wants to destroy Isreal. How can we have peace with them?

To say that "real follower[s] of Islam would be peaceful" is outrageous. Either you don't know the facts or choose to ignore them. Study before you make such a ridiculous statement.


Your telling me to study before i make my comments and u cant even spell Quran right, look the Quran does not teach to u to kill, it states to die for your beliefs and your God, it does not say that u cant be friends with Jews or Christains ( it states that you must not do stuff that is not allowed , which a Jew or Christain maybe bring u into, like drinking beer.) Islam is not responsible for the hate on the west, the west is responsible for fucking up and making those countries u listed to hate them, and for that retarted comment u made on Israel, for the last 50 years , Israel has been terrorizing the Palestinian people and using propaganda to get support, and u ask why arabs hate America so much? u make me sick

I have to agree wiht MENTAL PIMP.

It is us, the Western World, who is responsible for the misery in the rest of the world. Our standard of living is only possible because we are exploiting the 3rd World countries. We steal their oil and other resources. If we would pay them a fair price for these resources they as well could live a better standard of living (first you would have to eliminate the mafia and most goverments, or the people will never see a dime, but most of those problems are because of our actions as well).

To this day the western world has colonized and exploided weaker civilizations. Israel is terrorizing the palestinians in their own territory and the western world is backing them up. It makes me sick to see our money fund the daily murders done to the palestinians. Yesterday Israel attacked Libanon and nobody is saying anything against it!?!? Unbelievabel!

But it does nobody good to talk about the past. We have to look forward and try to change things for the better. Let's all pay 10 cent more per gallon so 30.000 children don't have to starve to death EVERY DAY ! The only big problem will be to get the money to those in need. Usually the goverment/mafia steal it.

Using terms like "Islamic killers" is borderline racism. I have never read anywhere that Islam is about killing other peoples. "Infidels" is a very broad term, and some extremist groups like to define it their own way, meaning "kill all christians and Americans." However, assigning it to describe the behavior of all Islamic peoples is unjustified. Skinheads claim to be Christian and support killing other races that aren't white. Yet you don't hear people running around screaming about "Christian Killers" very often (though that would be a more apt description than "Islamic Killers," but I digress) It's the exact same thing- a very few extremist groups can make an entire religion look bad.

I had this big elaborate post typed out and decided to delete it and just say this kind of argument is pointless when the people involved dont know what they are talking about.

And no, I am not picking on pimp. We know he's a kid who has a lot to elarn, but some of the other people posting here need a serious relaity check.

so it is the Western world's fault that governments of other countries and criminals in those countries keep most of the wealth and food for themselves instead of giving it to the people?

We steal their oil and other resources. If we would pay them a fair price for these resources they as well could live a better standard of living

when did "WE" steal oil and other resources from someone? and what would be the fair price and who would decide what that price is besides the people who have the resources.

Originally posted by zoom44
so it is the Western world's fault that governments of other countries and criminals in those countries keep most of the wealth and food for themselves instead of giving it to the people?]

Exactly right! It is western countries who have first colonized and the left the countries to the criminals. If the US doesn't like a goverment they just invade that country and put a goverment in they like (mostly a corrupt goverment that is willing to give away their ressources for cheap). Just take a look at what happend recentley in CHILE, IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN- just to name a few.

Originally posted by zoom44
when did "WE" steal oil and other resources from someone? and what would be the fair price and who would decide what that price is besides the people who have the resources.

We steal it every time we fill up our cars. You are right the people who own the resources should decide what they are selling it for. But like I said, we won't let them or do you really think the price we pay for the oil we are getting now from Iraq and Afghanistan is what these country decided on ?? Nope, once again WE decide what they get.