View Full Version : Anyone in Norway? Whats up with your sky?


dillsrotary
12-09-2009, 12:27 PM
Reported by several new sources and witnessed by thousands of people hundreds of miles apart.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/fenomen_over_borras_340152c.jpg

:confused:

A mysterious light display appearing over Norway last night has left thousands of residents in the north of the country baffled.

Witnesses from Trøndelag to Finnmark compared the amazing sight to anything from a Russian rocket to a meteor or a shock wave - although no one appears to have mentioned UFOs yet.

The phenomenon began when what appeared to be a blue light seemed to soar up from behind a mountain. It stopped mid-air, then began to circulate.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234430/Mystery-spiral-blue-light-display-hovers-Norway.html#ixzz0ZDXZ85WK


Looks computer generated to me, but with several sources and witnesses its pretty weird.

Within seconds a giant spiral had covered the entire sky. Then a green-blue beam of light shot out from its centre - lasting for ten to twelve minutes before disappearing completely.

The Norwegian Meteorological Institute was flooded with telephone calls after the light storm - which astronomers have said did not appear to have been connected to the aurora, or Northern Lights, so common in that area of the world.
The mystery deepened tonight as Russia denied it had been conducting missile tests in the area.

Fred Hansen, from Bø in Vesterålen, described the sight as 'like a big fireball that went around, with a great light around it again.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234430/Mystery-spiral-blue-light-display-hovers-Norway.html#ixzz0ZDXT8PPz


MORE PICS!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234430/Mystery-spiral-blue-light-display-hovers-Norway.html

http://gizmodo.com/5422574/giant-mysterious-spiral-takes-over-the-skies-of-norway

http://gizmodo.com/5422563/norse-spiral-gallery/gallery/11

run for your lives.

alfy28
12-09-2009, 12:28 PM
holy dills, nice find man.

dillsrotary
12-09-2009, 12:40 PM
If you never here from me again, it's because I posted about this. But in all seriousness i'd love to here from an rx8 owner in the area cause our news is clearly not aware/or care about it.

alfy28
12-09-2009, 12:43 PM
If you never here from me again, it's because I posted about this. But in all seriousness i'd love to here from an rx8 owner in the area cause our news is clearly not aware/or care about it.
are you from the future? if so, do we find a way to defeat Skynet?

Easy_E1
12-09-2009, 12:45 PM
Looks like a laser light show.

RIWWP
12-09-2009, 12:46 PM
Thats....







...wierd.

Yeah, it looks like too many sources to be an entirely computer generated hoax. Best guess I Have seen is a test with a massive electromagnetic source.

The rest are just silly. "Trolls"? Everyone knows that trolls can't fly.

dozer
12-09-2009, 12:49 PM
holy shit thats wierd

SideOfBacon
12-09-2009, 12:49 PM
saw this on fark earlier... its crazy......

RIWWP
12-09-2009, 12:53 PM
corrected. Here you go.

1http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_nxj4dxs67uck7b1_qdtzawozvmqqffj2fesicsuwdhmw. jpg
2http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x__gs4aevysbsnm18hqgzl-azf6tifeycrc0f-jzs90zpa.jpg
3http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x__j_yjqpd4fnzd0dw6dz96aco1xqab95x0xaexjmidr5a. jpg
4http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_il9yx8rkw_jfdwmcverfyq0uldk3ol4wtkqwpjz1jvqa. jpg
5http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_kobho-rkkk1xs3nmseyxbgrwk_077f_ablkz7qkojmcq.jpg
6http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_kqptbrckp7wdakjqucw80arm_g_tjlcean1cuzgdgbtg. jpg
7http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_nwb86ljkcje1b5btcfar3g9ruddmsnq16zomfaavvhhq. jpg
8http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_o0wukxnnh4plk9f_c4379gdsckpje___v6swgb-h6ofa.jpg
9http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_ol8k6mrcmjxq6x2jd4jfaajaygo7k5vtrnpbxvkybxhq. jpg
10http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_pievdmrjp0znqa4tagsnnqbz0yadk4vkvh6obl24ee2q. jpg
11http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_sofalv6pjvs5mtuzhhm85w9-40xvu4luidl54xx_iewg.jpg
12http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_w4jhvxzjplefcintnq1_swm7qfshmrg2totmndm7jkmg. jpg
13http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_ylqvrnknvsfzvsrye2nc_q6qfbe23w0asossfag5myyg. jpg
14http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_yoyd2x1cgnbseapse9ljvwt6ymkkphv7q7x0aibawjwg. jpg

RIWWP
12-09-2009, 01:01 PM
Those last 2 certainly look missile-test-related.

Ross_Dawg
12-09-2009, 01:02 PM
:wtf:

alnielsen
12-09-2009, 01:02 PM
http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/09dec09/Jan-Petter1.jpg?PHPSESSID=d436nu2iig1749l2a5t73eesa0

From www.spaceweather.com
I think it's the Russians trying to control the weather.
Or, a new kind of Bat Signal.

SideOfBacon
12-09-2009, 01:03 PM
Thats....







...wierd.

Yeah, it looks like too many sources to be an entirely computer generated hoax. Best guess I Have seen is a test with a massive electromagnetic source.

The rest are just silly. "Trolls"? Everyone knows that trolls can't fly.

im sure theres a few rx-8 trolls that have been on plane rides... just sayin.

Gr8Bullet
12-09-2009, 01:04 PM
Dude that's trippy.... Crazy stuff....

CyberPitz
12-09-2009, 01:08 PM
I can't find news on this ANYWHERE....

*EDIT* By news, I mean something like CNN or the likes.

dillsrotary
12-09-2009, 01:08 PM
I bet they decided to turn the LHC on, goodbye Norway, you were in the name of physics.

RIWWP
12-09-2009, 01:08 PM
I think it's the Russians trying to control the weather.
Or, a new kind of Bat Signal.

WTF kind of bat is shaped like that :dunno: ;)

I think the most logical assumption I have seen so far is an electromagnetic test, probably by the russians. Why? Because it's up there and easy to blame them.

We have a history of it.

The Reverend
12-09-2009, 01:11 PM
Norway is pretty far from Russia, we would have heard reports from Sweden and Finland too.

/not sure if serious riwwp???

alfy28
12-09-2009, 01:16 PM
maybe its a intro scene for a new Twlight zone

alnielsen
12-09-2009, 01:18 PM
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http://www.examiner.com/x-5182-Dallas-Weather-Examiner~y2009m12d9-Strange-spiral-in-sky-over-Norway-UFO
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/12/09/weird-giant-spiral-seen-in-sky-over-norway/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6770959/Strange-light-in-Norwegian-sky-sparks-mystery.html
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-mystery-light,0,5570731.story
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-12/bizarre-light-display-leaves-norwegians-and-astronomers-puzzled?page=

Google Maps Link to the location of the event: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=map+Harstad,+Norway&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Harstad,+Troms,+Norway&gl=us&ei=2fgfS7TgDoW2Nof8jcUC&ved=0CA0Q8gEwAA&ll=68.798,16.532853&spn=11.201958,38.583984&t=h&z=5

RIWWP
12-09-2009, 01:20 PM
HAH.

Only partially joking though.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=67.169955,51.679688&spn=32.146691,107.138672&z=4
<iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;ll=66.964476,51.679688&amp;spn=32.406036,107. 138672&amp;z=4&amp;output=embed"></iframe><br /><small><a href="http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;ll=66.964476,51.679688&amp;spn=32.406036,107. 138672&amp;z=4&amp;source=embed" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left">View Larger Map</a></small>

Russia has a decent track record of testing in the arctic ocean off their northern coast, and the western part of that could certainly be visible from Norway's northern edge, especially something getting shot fairly high up and bright.

Edit:
Several of the links alnielsen just posted have a varying story that could be applied to a missile self destructing. Not an instant explosion, but tumbling out of control, spewing fuel or another chemical, that may or may not be getting ignited, before exploding. Plausible.

alnielsen
12-09-2009, 01:41 PM
Several of the links alnielsen just posted have a varying story that could be applied to a missile self destructing. Not an instant explosion, but tumbling out of control, spewing fuel or another chemical, that may or may not be getting ignited, before exploding. Plausible.
The site of the phenmomina was Harstad, Norway. This is on the northwest coast of Norway. That missile would have had to come from a submarine and NORAD would have had a track on that.

dillsrotary
12-09-2009, 01:43 PM
Bad astromony blog on discovermag is calling for a missle 2nd stage malfunction, also saying the 2 different spiral plumes are evidence.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/12/09/awesomely-bizarre-light-show-freaks-out-norway/

RIWWP
12-09-2009, 01:43 PM
Agreed. Doesn't mean that NORAD would call up CNN and let them know ;)

Just saying that it is a plausible explanation. Electro magnetic device or storm is another plausible option.

Sending this over to Mythbusters to see if they can duplicate it...:lol:


Edit:
Then again, over the water, it could have been fired by the US or any other country with submarines capable of firing ballistic missiles, in which case the Russians are right and NORAD is clearly going to say nothing. Alot of options fit the scenario :)

RIWWP
12-09-2009, 01:50 PM
Nevermind. Retracting all else. Found a comment that makes me a believer.

It's a gigantic overhead projector. Their slide was a bit fuzzy though.

Edit:
On a serious note, these were in the comments:


December 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am

It is not a hoax, such things happen regularly especially at, for example, Vandenberg AFB, California, where missile tests and launches frequently happen at dawn or dusk (see example http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/45856097_83178413eb.jpg?v=0). The particles of rocket exhaust spread out and form unusual colors (ice crystals refracting sunlight). It is clear from the video this rocket lost guidance and began to spiral out of control like this…

http://www.michaelmeacher.info/trident%20in%20a%20spiral.jpg

…but at a very high altitude. The exhaust then spread and quickly dissipated in the following minutes.
23. 23. Akkargutt Says:
December 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am

I belive the Russians now have confirmed that they had a failed rocket test-launch from either a submarine or a ship.
24. 24. JerWah Says:
December 9th, 2009 at 11:48 am

Obviously now that the LHC is up and running that was a test black hole.
25. 25. Dr. Science Says:
December 9th, 2009 at 11:53 am

that was a test of a russian ‘Buluva’ ICBM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava

the NAVTEX message warning you not to fly in that area was sent out on Dec-09:

ZCZC FA79
031230 UTC DEC 09
COASTAL WARNING ARKHANGELSK 94
SOUTHERN PART WHITE SEA
1.ROCKET LAUNCHING 2300 07 DEC TO 0600 08 DEC
09 DC 0200 TO 0900 10 DEC 0100 TO 0900
NAVIGATION PROHIBITED IN AREA
65-12.6N 036-37.0E 65-37.2N 036-26.0E
66-12.3N 037-19.0E 66-04.0N 037-47.0E
66-03.0N 038-38.0E 66-06.5N 038-55.0E
65-11.0N 037-28.0E 65-12.1N 036-49.5E
THEN COASTAL LINE 65-12.2N 036-47.6E
2. CANCEL THIS MESSAGE 101000 DEC=
NNNN

link to NAVTEX message,

http://www.frisnit.com/cgi-bin/navtex/view.cgi?id=1159919&lan=en&type=24H&message_filter=&search=ROCKET&station_filter=&date=2009-12-09&source=a4f7a470329caf85e2488355c7e88328&offset=0

Symbioticgenius
12-09-2009, 02:13 PM
Sigh... Its obviously One of Darkseid' Boom Tubes.
As seen at 0:52 in this video and at the picture used to represent it.
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He's here.

fastlaneracing
12-09-2009, 02:14 PM
Sorry to take away the fun but it was a sheduled rocket launch from russia.

DarkLord7854
12-09-2009, 02:25 PM
Looks like a laser light show.

+1 to that

Looks cool though

Anijo
12-09-2009, 03:11 PM
Cool, mystery solved. I've got a friend in Norway, but I think he's at the wrong end of the country to have seen it. I'll still ping him when I get home.

TQCuong3th
12-09-2009, 03:20 PM
is that real cause it is awesome

renesisgenesis
12-09-2009, 05:58 PM
Remember that the world ends in 2012, so the aliens have to start showing up soon. This was probly just a test flight with a droid sent from the mother ship.

Feras
12-09-2009, 06:33 PM
close up i found
http://onceuponageek.com/images/star_trek_07.jpg

RIWWP
12-09-2009, 07:31 PM
Awesome :)

Winfree
12-09-2009, 09:20 PM
The corkscrew ground- to- sky trail (note the light blue curl in the picture that started this thread) suggests it was a launch that developed a leak and spiraled out of control..

Then it flipped end over end and degassed like a kids balloon. The gas caused ice crystals to form like a jet contrail and then smear as they dispursed. Really great special effects!

It is a true unidentified flying object!!!

Soviets deny launch. Was reported from Sweden.

Hey, maybe it's just a global warming display of a CO2 cylinder to greet visiting dignitaries - or a golfer launched by an angry mother-in-law!

RIWWP
12-10-2009, 03:26 PM
Confirmed missile failure

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091210/sc_afp/russianorwaymilitarymissile

The whole article is a testament to the failing Russian military system. This line in particular says alot:
Defence analysts say that a further headache for the military is that the new submarines are designed to be compatible with Bulava and if the new missile fails to work the vessels will be virtually useless.


but hey, you can still pay $100k to fly 1 of their jets to Mach 3! (pay first, they don't collect from life insurance)

Winfree
12-10-2009, 03:59 PM
Kinda hard to keep that failure a secret - a simple bang and drop might be confused with space junk falling or a meteor - but that swirly in the sky was just too spectacular - what a great effect!

I wonder how much fuel it had on board - think the EPA or the Global Warmers would have fun with that?

RIWWP
12-10-2009, 04:07 PM
HAH
"Global Warmers"

Is that the people that get 3mpg? :lol:

I think you just coined a term!

zoom44
12-10-2009, 06:02 PM
just saw this on the news and they said the russians are confirm a missile test failure.

frankly i dont believe them. its clearly a boom tube! Putin is working for Darkseid!

we need to find Scott Free and Barda like YESTERDAY

http://bp0.blogger.com/_cAcJkdfaQuI/RgpGNVID7gI/AAAAAAAAALw/tiCz_yYJOJE/s1600/Big%2BBarda%2Band%2BScott%2BFree.jpg

Winfree
12-12-2009, 01:32 AM
I wonder if it will make it snow......

musclecarconvrt
12-13-2009, 12:08 PM
I don't buy the failed missle explanation.
Russia did issue a navagation warning for their plausibly failed missle test. The test originated from a sub in the white sea which is about 700 miles (and 2 NATO countries) South East of Norway. The Kamchatka (sp) testing range is to the far eastern edge of Russia. They have tested the Bulava rocket and had many failures in the past, but one in the complete opposite north west direction?
I'm sure there was a rocket and if they claim it failed, ok, it failed. I am not willing to believe for a second however, that Russia lets even a failed missle test cross two NATO countries before termination and without so much as a peep from the EU. We are talking about a nuclear ICBM here. AND we are talking about a failed test very near to the place where all those nutty world leaders are meeting, not to mention the fact that our own president was in Oslow Norway at very nearly the same time. There is no way NATO, the EU, NORAD, and every individual country in northern Europe would not be screaming their heads of right now if that missle really was the source of the spiral sightings. Why also are virtually all of the pictures from Norway. If it went over Sweeden and Finland, why no pics from them?

I don't know what it is, but the explanation given and the reaction we've seen so far pretty much assumes that NATO is A OK with Russian ICBMs going off like roman candles over their own air space. Not plausible.

RIWWP
12-14-2009, 05:51 AM
I don't buy the failed missle explanation.
Russia did issue a navagation warning for their plausibly failed missle test. The test originated from a sub in the white sea which is about 700 miles (and 2 NATO countries) South East of Norway. The Kamchatka (sp) testing range is to the far eastern edge of Russia. They have tested the Bulava rocket and had many failures in the past, but one in the complete opposite north west direction?
I'm sure there was a rocket and if they claim it failed, ok, it failed. I am not willing to believe for a second however, that Russia lets even a failed missle test cross two NATO countries before termination and without so much as a peep from the EU. We are talking about a nuclear ICBM here. AND we are talking about a failed test very near to the place where all those nutty world leaders are meeting, not to mention the fact that our own president was in Oslow Norway at very nearly the same time. There is no way NATO, the EU, NORAD, and every individual country in northern Europe would not be screaming their heads of right now if that missle really was the source of the spiral sightings. Why also are virtually all of the pictures from Norway. If it went over Sweeden and Finland, why no pics from them?

I don't know what it is, but the explanation given and the reaction we've seen so far pretty much assumes that NATO is A OK with Russian ICBMs going off like roman candles over their own air space. Not plausible.

Actually, you are missing one critical piece of information. You are assuming it went over Finland and Sweden, and that it was seen in southern and western Norway, it didn't.

The spiral is accepted as the fuel spilling off of the rocket as it tumbled, the coloration and magnitude was visually affected by the extreme altitude it occured at. Well, to see that from the side, it would be a 'wave' looking shape, as it went across your vision. And at that altitude and speed, it would be rare if you could see anything at all. Viewed directly from the front or rear. those waves would stack up and you would only see the dispersal spiral, like was seen there.

See the attached pic. If it was launched from the circle, in the direction of the arrow, the visual effect would have easily been seen as heading away from Norway, but not necessarily Sweden or Finland. This was all reported from the far northern edge of Norway.

If I was Russia doing a rocket test, I would go to the edge of my territory in the water and fire the rocket deeper into my territory, to ensure there is no chance at accidentally causing WW3 by it crossing into another country.

Makes perfect sense to me.

musclecarconvrt
12-14-2009, 08:43 AM
Actually, you are missing one critical piece of information. You are assuming it went over Finland and Sweden, and that it was seen in southern and western Norway, it didn't.

The spiral is accepted as the fuel spilling off of the rocket as it tumbled, the coloration and magnitude was visually affected by the extreme altitude it occured at. Well, to see that from the side, it would be a 'wave' looking shape, as it went across your vision. And at that altitude and speed, it would be rare if you could see anything at all. Viewed directly from the front or rear. those waves would stack up and you would only see the dispersal spiral, like was seen there.

See the attached pic. If it was launched from the circle, in the direction of the arrow, the visual effect would have easily been seen as heading away from Norway, but not necessarily Sweden or Finland. This was all reported from the far northern edge of Norway.

If I was Russia doing a rocket test, I would go to the edge of my territory in the water and fire the rocket deeper into my territory, to ensure there is no chance at accidentally causing WW3 by it crossing into another country.

Makes perfect sense to me.

A for effort friend, but I'm not convinced.
Even accepting the plausible map you provided, the Bulava rocket is fueled by a solid propellant, not liquid. It would not be vented nice and neatly but would have to burn off and the chances of a failed solid rocket burning perfectly equally at both ends to produce a perfect almost static spinning pinwheel are near impossible. Additionally, the double spiral appears to be just about as perfect as one you might draw on paper and seems not to be affected in any way by the atmosphere or gravity. The ICBM is designed to reach above the atmosphere before desending, but the entire sprial seem unaffected which would mean even the very bottom earth side of it was 75-100km above the earth. I'm no math wizard, but when I think of being able to see something that big in the sky from that far away at that high an altitude... you are talking about something that is many miles in diameter being created in a few minutes. Additionally, the sprial is suposedly made of vented fuel that must then travel at huge speeds and remain nearly unaffected by gravity or atmosphere and is as visually perfect as a laser light show. (not saying that's what it was)

That all just sounds like too tall an order to fill for a failed rocket IMHO.

RIWWP
12-14-2009, 09:01 AM
Venting fuel doesn't require it to be liquid. Sand isn't a liquid, but can be poured and sprayed. Solid fuel isn't like a concrete block, but [can] easily be more like gunpowder in that it is granular. I'm not a rocket surgeon, but I bet that solid fuels used are granular.

It doesn't need to be venting or burning at both ends to produce the spiral. Think 3 dimensionally.
http://www.michaelmeacher.info/trident%20in%20a%20spiral.jpg

Have you given any thought to how light bends when it passes through the atmosphere? That the spiral may have been much much smaller than it appeared, getting magnified out through the moisture in the air? The fuel doesn't need to travel fast and perfect if the moisture in the air is refracting the light in just the right way to make it appear that it spread fast and wide.

And before you jump on the 'rare' chance of that happening, it makes a hell of alot of sense when no one else sees it:

When light hits a prism or other refracting device, the rainbow effect is only produced along a very narrow path, i.e., "just the right way". Step even a bit outside of that path and you can't see it. In this case, the path was hitting back to this point in Norway, and due to the distance, the path was still "several hundred kilometers wide". This explains why it wasn't seen farther away, as well as the varying colors and pieces of the shapes from the various photos, they were taken from different points within that refracting path.

For a few afternoon days each fall, if it is sunny, I drive through a rainbow that is getting refracted off a building in downtown Providence, to "just the right angle" to have it hit the inbound lanes of the 6-10 connector.

When light refracts like that, the refracting path exists, and it points somewhere, and when the path is several hundred kilometers wide when it hits land, it's bound to be seen by someone.



I'll reverse the arguement though, what do you think it was? :)

...that has a basis in plausible scientific possibilities. Claiming aliens or some such won't get you very far :lol:

DubbsLuvs8s
12-14-2009, 10:31 AM
The Russians were testing the MS8. Duh.

musclecarconvrt
12-14-2009, 11:11 AM
I'll reverse the arguement though, what do you think it was? :)

...that has a basis in plausible scientific possibilities. Claiming aliens or some such won't get you very far :lol:

What do I think? I think I'm going to get in over my head pretty quickly postulating rational scientific explanations using my admittedly armature level of understand. Astrophysics and math are not my strong suit. I was a music major in college. :) Still, I do like to try to learn and understand new things, so when something like this comes along, I soak up as many theories and learn as much science as I can. The simplest and most obvious explanations are usually correct, but I like to really understand things rather that simply accept the words of some government official.

Why would Russia conduct a missile test originating from the White Sea of a system that has had several failures the very same week the worlds leaders are all gathered in Denmark and when our President is even closer in Oslo, Norway? That's about the distance from Los Angeles, CA to Portland, OR. Pretty darn close for an ICBM test during a highly publicized world conference. Why would those at the conference not be alarmed by this? Something just smells fishy here to me and we do have more complicated technologies that could create the spectacle over Norway.

A great deal of science is not promoted publically and the highest levels of science and technology are funded by governments that are more often than not wholly untrustworthy. The fastest known terrestrial airplane is still the SR71 Blackbird that was built in the late 60's. The space shuttle program that is retiring now was designed in the 70s. The radar absorbing S117 Stealth Fighter was developed in the late 70's and early 80's but went completely unknown until 1991. It is also already retired. Other technologies are advancing just as quickly but may not draw as much attention until something like this happens.

So there's the set up. Next, possible explanations that don't require a tin foil hat.

SCALAR technology. We have a very large radio array in Alaska called HAARP. http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/ Norway has something similar that is actually very close to where the spiral sightings occurred. http://www.eiscat.uit.no/index.html This kind of stuff was originally developed as a possible missile defense and definitely can and does affect the weather buy heating specific areas of the ionosphere. They beam amazing amounts of power up into the sky in the name of science. They can literally paint a picture in the sky by creating patterned clouds and even auroras. The spiral display could be a test that happened to coincide with some natural electromagnetic event or a combination of this technology being used to bring down a missile.

CERN or The Large Hadron Collider. http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/ No, I'm not worried about wacky cartoon scientists creating a black hole that sucks the world into it. It does however use immense amounts of power and it was in used at almost the exact same time the spiral occurred. They even had a successful particle collision. What a coincidence. What would be the effects the worlds most powerful man made electromagnetic source possibly intersecting extremely high radio energies from the EISCAT array in Norway? I'll be just as honest as the scientist running the show there. I don't know.

Keep the tin foil hat handy for this one. Project Blue Beam. It's real, but I can't find a nice handy open source website to send you to. Basically it is large scale holographic technology that can create a realistic 3D hologram in the sky big enough to scare the bejebus out of people. Couple that with directed sound tech and you could literally make people think that their god has returned.

Here is a History Channel documentary that covers both HAAPR and Project Blue Beam.
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkpT-gSSS54
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtwjZQlrw2Y&feature=related

We simply can't believe our eyes and ears all the time anymore. We need to use the gray matter more and ask why and who benefits when something seemingly unreal happens.

Peace

RIWWP
12-14-2009, 11:42 AM
Still, I do like to try to learn and understand new things, so when something like this comes along, I soak up as many theories and learn as much science as I can. The simplest and most obvious explanations are usually correct, but I like to really understand things rather that simply accept the words of some government official.
100% right there with you :) No college, but we debated technical issues, logic, and science around the dinner table at my parent's ever since I can remember. I never simply accept anything. A closely linked pair of sayings I love and believe I live by is:

"What information reveals is Important, but what it coneals is Vital"
"Do not consider what information says, if you are not also going to consider what it does not say."


Why would Russia conduct a missile test originating from the White Sea of a system that has had several failures the very same week the worlds leaders are all gathered in Denmark and when our President is even closer in Oslo, Norway? That's about the distance from Los Angeles, CA to Portland, OR. Pretty darn close for an ICBM test during a highly publicized world conference.
An old failing military power attempting to flex it's muscles when it can make people nervous and then write it off as a mistake? Sounds...typical.

Why would those at the conference not be alarmed by this?
It took 2 days before english media picked up on the story. Even local news in Norway didn't pick it up until ~12-18 hours later. I'd say the simplest explanation there is that they weren't aware of it due to the remote location.

A great deal of science is not promoted publically and the highest levels of science and technology are funded by governments that are more often than not wholly untrustworthy. The fastest known terrestrial airplane is still the SR71 Blackbird that was built in the late 60's. The space shuttle program that is retiring now was designed in the 70s. The radar absorbing S117 Stealth Fighter was developed in the late 70's and early 80's but went completely unknown until 1991. It is also already retired. Other technologies are advancing just as quickly but may not draw as much attention until something like this happens.
100% agree. I think that this is the explanation behind why Russia denied it. Likely the people being asked didn't know what was going on, or didn't want to admit failure when the program has a history of getting fired for each failure.

SCALAR technology. We have a very large radio array in Alaska called HAARP. http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/ Norway has something similar that is actually very close to where the spiral sightings occurred. http://www.eiscat.uit.no/index.html This kind of stuff was originally developed as a possible missile defense and definitely can and does affect the weather buy heating specific areas of the ionosphere. They beam amazing amounts of power up into the sky in the name of science. They can literally paint a picture in the sky by creating patterned clouds and even auroras. The spiral display could be a test that happened to coincide with some natural electromagnetic event or a combination of this technology being used to bring down a missile.
Definitely sounds plausible. If you look back on the first page of this thread, I do put forth that it might have an electromagnetic connection.

CERN or The Large Hadron Collider. http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/ No, I'm not worried about wacky cartoon scientists creating a black hole that sucks the world into it. It does however use immense amounts of power and it was in used at almost the exact same time the spiral occurred. They even had a successful particle collision. What a coincidence. What would be the effects the worlds most powerful man made electromagnetic source possibly intersecting extremely high radio energies from the EISCAT array in Norway? I'll be just as honest as the scientist running the show there. I don't know.
Also plausible... I'll reserve a comment on this till later in the post...

Keep the tin foil hat handy for this one. Project Blue Beam. It's real, but I can't find a nice handy open source website to send you to. Basically it is large scale holographic technology that can create a realistic 3D hologram in the sky big enough to scare the bejebus out of people. Couple that with directed sound tech and you could literally make people think that their god has returned.
It is only a matter of time till stuff like Blue Beam is an accepted reality, however logic begins to fail me here, where it isn't for the rest.



So the LHC. I would then also put forth that what if it isn't 2 rare large events aren't colliding, but 3? What if the LHC event, and/or the EISCAT array coincided with a failed Russia missile launch (the launch did happen, and they admitted failure, although it could easily be a "fuck, that was supposed to be quiet"). Perhaps without the other 2, the failed missile launch wouldn't have created such as dramatic display? Maybe EISCAT people knew about the launch ahead of time and were activating the array to see how it interacted with the missile, or even deliberately causing it's failure, and with the LHC event at the same time completely unplanned generated the display? Maybe Russia, the LHC scientists, and the EISCAT array people are all pushed back from their desks shocked over what happened saying "woah!"

I doubt they will talk though :)

zoom44
12-14-2009, 02:23 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/White_Sea_map.png/645px-White_Sea_map.png

for the missile side of things- you can see from the map above that the White Sea is Just East of Finland and the area you marked is the Berents Sea.

So if it was lauched from the White Sea it should have been visible to Finland at least