Introducing the Celica's new replacement.



The Scion tC. (http://www.scion.com/drive/gallery/drive_tc_gallery.html)


http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/tc/tc01.jpg


http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/tc/tc03.jpg


http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/tc/tc09.jpg


http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/tc/tc08.jpg


http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/tc/tc12.jpg

Up until now Scion has been stuck with some pretty boring, ugly, and poor performing cars (xA, xB). The tCis a step in a new direction. It is the replacement to the current Celica. It will come standard with the current Camry’s 2.4 liter 4, which has 159 HP and 162 lbs/trq. This can be complimented with a supercharger in development from TRD that will boost it to about 200 HP, and still be warranted.

The tC comes standard with a great options list for a car in it's price range. Besides the usual features found in a compact car the tC will include: Standard 17" "black chrome" styled wheels, Standard 45-series Pirelli tires, Four-wheel disc brakes (xA and xB have rear drums), power windows, locks and mirrors, as well as seats with memory for only $19,000. All features are standard.

The car looks like a great buy for those in the market. It is the first decent car made by Scion and a pretty good replacement for the Celica. It may not have the same peak numbers, but the power is now in a useable section of the power band. With the old engine you need all of the 8,000 RPM to get the real performance (kind of like the rotary, excpet I wouldn't feel as comfortable revving a piston engine like that all the time). And if you want more power than just opt for the supercharger.:)

wow, thanks for the pics, im not sure about that interior but the rest is awsome!!! :), and it also looks kinda a fat, a bigger wheel base would suit it better

why are they replacing the celica

I dont like it

it looks so plain and like every other car on the road

Originally posted by mikeb
why are they replacing the celica

I dont like it

it looks so plain and like every other car on the road
The celica is due for an update, so instead of just refreshing it as a new model, they deciede to give the car to the youth division, Scion.

pretty generic, looks like a better looking Echo.

I have been looking for pics of the TC everywhere and couldn't find them! Kudos Cueball! The TC will also be the only car on the market with a glass roof. Thats something you need to mention to differentiate that car from others on the market. The Scion line is meant to be cheap and affordable to reach their intended market...so don't expect to see anything to crazey from the factory..

Front could be interesting, otherwise it looks like another Toyotablob car. Sorta like they design a plain shell, then inflate it with a little too much air...voila a blobmobile!

Hey 200HP? How much does it weigh?

I love my Celica , the new scion looks too conservative IMO. Even though my GTS"s engine is peaky, I still love when that VTTL kicks in at 6000 rpm, and the looks and the cockpit are gorgous, I give Toyota props for making a radical design forwhich the Celica is known for, even though it will be their last. I'm sad it is going away, seems like the smaller coupes today are getting heavier and less radical looking, not to mention that it was the lightest car in its class, Car an Driver at one point got like 73 mph in thier slalom tests, thats great!! I'm proud that Toyota gave the go ahead 4 yrs ago, Oh well , all good things must come to an end...

That exterior is SOOOO generic... nice Civictegra there.

But the interior is not bad.

And actually, those seats look almost exactly like the Sport Package seats in the BMW 3-series... which are awesome seats!

Kind of reminds me of a sebring with a MR-2S front end. Lets hope Toyota comes through with a nice supra because I don't see anything exciting about this car.

oh god, that interior is just so crappy for a good car like that, and im not talking about materials used but im talking about the design and color, looks so plain and cheap, toyota coulda done better , lets hope their not slacking like Nissan

Looks like a Toyota Cavalier

Excuse me while I stifle a yawn....

Yeah, that rear view is total Cavalier.

That's generic Japanese styling at it's worst... it's not offensive, it's not great. It just takes up space.

Yippee...

It is the replacement to the current Celica.

Are you sure?

According to Motor Trend in 2005 -->

2005 Toyota Celica: Significant update with freshened styling and mechanical changes.

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I've heard rumors of a Celica replacement by a "Supra", but the TC is just the Scion tC. And a very plain looking car to boot in my opinion.

Just an FYI :)

RSX cues anyone?

In the november 2003 isssue of motor trend it says:

Toyota is looking at the European Avensis model to become the third car, the xC, in Scion's lineup. The current xA and xB models are based on the small, home-market Toyotas. The Avensis is a sedan that's larger than a Corolla, but smaller than a Camry, and would be sold here in a five-door hatchback form and possibly as a wagon, too. It would be offered with the 2.4 liter inline-four used in the Camry and must start well under $20,000 to fit the Scion profile.

That sounds pretty close to what the tC is. The x is replaced by a t, but it is still pretty close. The tC is actually a hatchback type car, although it looks like a standard coupe. If you look closely at some of the rearward facing interior pictures, you'll see what I mean. It also has the Camry engine and is fully loaded at $19,000.

It also wouldn't make any sense if the Celica was continued and updated. The cars compete much too closely with each other to not cannibalize sales.

I have also seen another MT article saying a Scion model may replace the Celica, but I can't dig it up.

celicategra he he he hr..... thats funny

Originally posted by RX8-TX
RSX cues anyone?

Ahm no!

I would not wipe my arse with this new car.

The RSX although i have sold mine is much better looking and i see no hints of it in this mistake of a car and i have a link to many rsx pics to prove it.

Im sorry hehe im still a little passionate about my ex.........ahh err RSX

http://ducky.coolrsx.com

This car is a very bad replacement for a car that had potential. this will definately be a step in the wrong direction.

Why would toyota do that? that car is ugly, nevermind replace the celica. The celica is actually a nice car...I mean their not really fast but i got a chance to drive one and the handling is really good...i love the interior and exterior, and as you can see from all the celicas on the road that sales were really good. I was actually looking forward to seeing a new celica design...oh well, I think this was a big mistake by toyota.

I remember reading somewhere that the new Celica would be completely different to the current model because of the average responce to the current model. So, I doubt toyota would replace it with a verly bland looking car because that would be a move in the wrong direction. I bet that this car will be Scions version of the new Celica - just like the firebird and camero (same under pinnings but different bodies and interiors.)

i know why, looks like they hired a ex-nissan designer

Aren't the Scion bX and aX something like 2400 pounds and $13,000?

If they make this thing with 160 horsepower at 2400 pounds for $13,000, as long as the handling is decent it will be the best bang for your buck econosport you can buy.

I think it's bland too... but then I think the RSX looks boring as hell, and that's a good car.

RSX does not look boring at all, u wanna see a boring car? the Lexus IS 300 or watever (stupid numbers)

Originally posted by mental pimp
RSX does not look boring at all, u wanna see a boring car? the Lexus IS 300 or watever (stupid numbers)

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I much prefer the way the IS300 looks to the way the RSX looks.

Originally posted by RX8-TX
RSX cues anyone?

yeah very close to the RSX! still looks pretty good though.. Only problem is that the name scion makes me think of mini armored cars driving around.. ughh! Ugly!

looks like an rsx IMO

On the Scion site its says 16,300 will be the price...thats pretty good for all the extras.IMO

It's not surprising that some of you see RSX cues on the TC. Toyota's design for this car revolves around the idea of "How can we steal the Civic Community?". Kinda pathetic considering Toyota is higher than Honda in automaker ranks.

You won't be surprised when you start seeing "Civic Killer!!!" ads that would come out for this car. Yes, it's that bad. They came from Supra: the RX-7 killer to TC: the Civic killer. Someone needs to get fired in Toyota quick. They're going downhill with regards to the "tuner" market.

Originally posted by Xyntax
It's not surprising that some of you see RSX cues on the TC. Toyota's design for this car revolves around the idea of "How can we steal the Civic Community?". Kinda pathetic considering Toyota is higher than Honda in automaker ranks.

You won't be surprised when you start seeing "Civic Killer!!!" ads that would come out for this car. Yes, it's that bad. They came from Supra: the RX-7 killer to TC: the Civic killer. Someone needs to get fired in Toyota quick. They're going downhill with regards to the "tuner" market.

I think you're right. Toyota has a superb handle on everything the car-buying public wants except for excitement.

Originally posted by RX8-TX
RSX cues anyone?

I was thinking the same thing!

Originally posted by FamilyGuy
I think you're right. Toyota has a superb handle on everything the car-buying public wants except for excitement.

The car buying public wants excitment?? That's a new one. By the looks of what is on the roads here, the car buying public by in large (and that's a BIG chunk) wants either...

1) the cheapest crap money can't buy like Neon, Saturns, Corollas, Pontiac, etc. all those nice plain jane cars + any old used junk

2) The biggest, ugliest front end stuck on some SUV or pickup (umm - me tough guy with big face)

3) some american boat of a car with the requisite 60+er walking the car.

Excitment my foot, I'd call it bore-doom :eek:

to me the tc is totally pointless. you might as well buy a used v6 solara. at least then it will have a better interior and more power.

Originally posted by jonnyb
to me the tc is totally pointless. you might as well buy a used v6 solara. at least then it will have a better interior and more power.

... and is worth boosting with an SC too!

To me this car looks no worse than the Civic... That being said, I think that all the FWD econo-blanks are boring as hell. If you can get Toyota quality for zilcho dinero, I think this car will sell well - example: xB is way over it's sales forcast and the xA might be at or slightly below its mark.

You guys ever thought that we aren't the target for this car? I know people who like the #$&$! Element for crying out loud! There's gotta be people who will buy these guys. Personally I wouldn't have it unless it was my efficient & disposable commuter car so I could save my 8 for real driving.

Originally posted by Boozehound


You guys ever thought that we aren't the target for this car?

my "generation" is and i would never drive one of those cars. i dont even like saying the word "scion". toyota should have taken the money they blew on the xa, xb, and tc, and used it to make a nice little rwd sports car to beat the srt4 in the under 20k sports coupe catergory.

I don't know about you, but I'm thinking Ford Maverick

http://www.maverick.to/pics/shaw_simpson_72_grabber.jpg

;)

Originally posted by JmurphRx8
Why would toyota do that? that car is ugly, nevermind replace the celica. The celica is actually a nice car...I mean their not really fast but i got a chance to drive one and the handling is really good...i love the interior and exterior, and as you can see from all the celicas on the road that sales were really good. I was actually looking forward to seeing a new celica design...oh well, I think this was a big mistake by toyota.

Yeah, me too!

:D

I'm just not sure if the sales on the Celica are that good. I think when the new model was introduced in 2000 it was good ... but I heard it's droped off a lot since then.

Anyone know the facts?

Originally posted by Boozehound
I know people who like the #$&$! Element for crying out loud!

hey watch it! i kinda like the element. but what do i know, i am one of THOSE people who kinda like the Aztec too.:o

The aztec is one of the worst vehicles ever created by human minds. The tC may not look good but neither does anything else even close to its price/performance new (im lookin at you RSX, talk about a stinker it looks like a freaking civic). Since there is little test data on the scion and I will not see one in person until they are released in June, I will have to withhold my opinion of its performance aspects but supposedly this thing does the slalom faster than a mazdaspeed miata. You know that the toyota quality will be there and I like the idea of a little 200hp supercharged 4 cyl, especially a light one. The other scions have like 108 hp and weigh 2350 lbs and are supposedly "fun" to drive. Doulble that power combined with decent handling makes for a good car no matter how bland the skin is. For the no haggle price it comes with too many standard features, including the unique glass roof, to be blown off. It does look like a toyota cavelier though. The marketing may be lame but the car isn't.

I have the same engine that is found on the Scion TC on my 4-cyl Solara. It is quite a torquey engine for a 2.4 4-cyl. If the TC weighs below 2500 lbs, then that car has the potential to beat anyone in its class off the line even without the S/C installed. I dont know about the top end, that engine is built for stop-and-go traffic.

From what I know about the engine and its vvt-i, it picks up at 4K rpms and then stays the same until 6K rpms. Not so impressive IMO. Maybe they tuned this 2AZFE version a little differently because the TC is a lighter car compared to the Solara. Who knows?

Originally posted by Xyntax
I have the same engine that is found on the Scion TC on my 4-cyl Solara. It is quite a torquey engine for a 2.4 4-cyl. If the TC weighs below 2500 lbs, then that car has the potential to beat anyone in its class off the line even without the S/C installed. I dont know about the top end, that engine is built for stop-and-go traffic.


According to edmunds.com, the tC weighs 2950, so unless they gave it shorter gearing it will only be slightly quicker than your Solara.

http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Sukairain/Scion_copy.jpg

Nice looking~ :D

Originally posted by FamilyGuy
According to edmunds.com, the tC weighs 2950, so unless they gave it shorter gearing it will only be slightly quicker than your Solara.

:o i guess there's a reason why they put it under Scion. It's just going to be modded for looks (or at least according to scionfans' taste)

It's amazing how those xA and xB owners are installing S/C's to their lunchboxes. "Hey look Ma! My Scion runs like a real car now! Oh boy!"

the japanese keep playing it safe with body styles but sales don't lie. I guess as long as a car is reliable that is enough for most people. Another bland looking coupe IMHO

yes, i think it looks like poop.

Originally posted by mikeb
it looks so plain and like every other car on the road

You've just described almost everything from Toyota, IMHO.

and pretty much every ford(ugly), gm(cheap and ugly), honda(boring), chrysler(ugly), dodge(garbage), in its price range. You guys are concentrating way too much on looks for a 16,500- 19,000 dollar car. Coming from rx-8's I can understand making sacrifices to have one of the coolest looking cars in the world. Not everyone is as obsessed about their appearence though. I would rather be seen in this car than a miata which imo looks totally weak and feminine. This would make a great girls car and a not shameful daily driver for a guy.

Actually the entire Scion line is pretty hideous. I know I am out of the demographic age group for this "new" car brand but I know what I like. One vehicle looks like a block the other looks like a Puma sneaker and this new one looks like Joe Generic car

Well the first two scions were JDM's and this one was created specifically for the US market. I guess they have a different idea of what looks "young and hip" in Japan. Initially I thought they were hideous too but after checking them out at the auto show I dont hate them anymore. They are cars I wouldn't want for myself but I am not upset that they are out there (like every pontiac I see).

Other than Mazada and a few examples from some other companies, it's my opinion that Japanese exterior design has been declining significantly over the past few years.

Toyota: http://www.rx8club.com/images/icons/icon13.gif . MR-2 spyder, and scion line is their idea of forward thinking. The Lexus SUV redesigns look worse than the last generation. Solara and SC430 look pretty good. Celica was also a fairly nice looking car, but if this Scion is its replacement...

Honda: http://www.rx8club.com/images/icons/icon13.gif . New Accords and Civics look worse than the previous generations. Acura TSX might look ok if it didn't have that monstrous rear clip on it. RSX looked good when it was introduced but nothing special now (though i'm sure i wouldn't like it's redesign either, the way things are going). The Element is just ugly. S2000 is a beautiful car. NSX is way overdue for a revamping, but still looks good.

Mitsubishi: http://www.rx8club.com/images/icons/icon13.gif . I don't like much of anything they have, as far as looks go. EVO looks ok, but I can't stand the factory wing. Eclipse might look ok if it wasn't replacing the previous design.

Subaru: Looks like they may be turning it around with the new Legacy. The Forrester is borderline hideous. WRX/STi look ok, better now that the old headlights were changed.

Nissan: Other than 350Z/G35c, nothing they have really catches my eye. Maxima looks decent, and I guess that means the Altima does also (since they look almost the same to me). Not sure what to make of the FX suv line-up yet.

This is only my opinion. And at the risk of sounding like a Mazda fanboy, they seem to be getting it right with the 3, 6, 8 line-up. http://www.rx8club.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

i totally agree with therm8. i think the new concept eclipse looks really good though. too bad its fwd...

hell no!!! f dat wud b da replacemnent 4 da celica, i just opt for a Mazda 3 nstead!!! wat a bore!!!

Originally posted by H8tred
hell no!!! f dat wud b da replacemnent 4 da celica, i just opt for a Mazda 3 nstead!!! wat a bore!!!

fo sho?

"Nissan: Other than 350Z/G35c, nothing they have really catches my eye. Maxima looks decent, and I guess that means the Altima does also (since they look almost the same to me). Not sure what to make of the FX suv line-up yet."

So.... it sounds like you like most of the new Nissan/Infiniti lineup to me. :D

Originally posted by H8tred
hell no!!! f dat wud b da replacemnent 4 da celica, i just opt for a Mazda 3 nstead!!! wat a bore!!!

Wow... are you angry at letters or something?

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Wow... are you angry at letters or something?


he is talking jive....please see the movie Airplane for reference.

I have seen the real car in SEMA a few weeks ago. It doesn't impress me at all, not as special looking as xB, and uglier than xA. Yeah I agree it looks too plain.

Does anyone like this car?

Originally posted by Sin
Does anyone like this car?

No. ;)

it just needs a carbon fiber wing and it will look great

Speaking as a family, we have two Toyotas. An 03 Highland and a 00 Sequoia. We have those cars for trips and moving large things, and mile holders. I know if we drive to Charlotte for a football game, if there are people in the backseat they couldn't take it in the RX8. We use them for trips, and 30min+ highway drives. That is why people buy Toyotas and Hondas, to take the miles. My 97 CRV had over 200k mi on it when I sold it to buy the RX8.

To me the back of the tC says Sentra.

Tc is aite.. car for my age students... 16-19... but i not average.. so RX-8 would suite my needs more...


MAZDA has everything going ONLY ONE MORE THING... MAZDA 6 COUPE.. 2 DOORS... accord coupe and solora are everywhere... mazda nees to get some off the street.... FO SHO... !

It looks like someone made a Hyundai Tiburon out of chocolate then left it out in the sun until it melted into a blob.

I do like the interior though.

I like it.. It would make a decent commuter car..