First, I don't think its appropriate for a 'moderator' to close a thread unless its considered 'offensive and inappropriate'. Why? Because its a discussion... and its SOMEONEs issue and therefore deserves the attention and replies, and the ability to reply-to comments made. However...thats a moderators right, I suppose-- but this isn't East Berlin around 1970, is it?

On a side note, if you guys are short on disk-space... Fine-fine..delete/close the thread because its just a rant... I just wanted a place to voice my opinion.

/end rant.

As far as my 'launching, etc'... and 'driving like a grandma': Firstly, the car I launched was a demo with 5k miles on it, not mine... So, whoever posted the retarded statement about wondering why I don't get more than 14mpg... PLEASE read or quote the ENTIRE thread instead of just snipping some portion to make yourself look smart...because it was just a jackass thing to say. The vehicle I own and drive, is driven about as hard as my mother would drive a Honda Accord on a Sunday going to church.

Second, as said, I have a S2K, and I DO NOT drive it like a grand-ma..infact, I drive it like a freaking maniac..and even then, I RARELY get under 19mpg... and thats on a vehicle that clearly out accelerates and performs to my RX-8. In all areas..no competition... it just flat out spanks the snot outta the RX-8. Period. I own the Rx-8 for the 4 seats, not to race it..and thus, drive it like a 'reasonable and prudent' adult would. Yet a 2.0L 4 banger screaming at 6-9k RPM as often as the streets permit gets 30% better gas milage... I just don't get it.

Yet..still... even with such a reserved style of driving, I'm seeing 12.5-14mpg... a 5-8 mpg LESS average than a similar vehicle (in HP and weight). This, to ME, does not make sense.

As far as octane 87 versus 93 getting better gas milage..I think thats just silly talk. More octate doesn't give more power or efficently... it simply prevents knocking/pinging... these motors should be more than fine on ~87-89 octane... The only reason (IMHO) to run higher octain is IF you are actually pinging...

-- Aaron

Bye

Aaron, I think the thread was closed simply because there was nothing new being added to the issue. Same old stories and conclusions. I'm sure the moderator was not acting to spite you or your thread, I think some searches would have found the same information, over and over again, again, again, agai, aga, ag.. zzzzzzzzzzz..............

Originally posted by amartin
As far as octane 87 versus 93 getting better gas milage..I think thats just silly talk. More octate doesn't give more power or efficently... it simply prevents knocking/pinging... these motors should be more than fine on ~87-89 octane... The only reason (IMHO) to run higher octain is IF you are actually pinging...I'm only going to respond to this because the rest of it is just, "Don't like it, sell it crap".

If you ping, you've already lost. The point of higher octane in a nut shell is to prevent the engine from retarding the engine due to PREVENTION of knock. In another words, the higher octane resists knocking better.

right on

Originally posted by amartin
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Second, as said, I have a S2K, and I DO NOT drive it like a grand-ma..infact, I drive it like a freaking maniac..and even then, I RARELY get under 19mpg... and thats on a vehicle that clearly out accelerates and performs to my RX-8. In all areas..no competition... it just flat out spanks the snot outta the RX-8.




yes, you are the guy that on the s2000 forum called the Rx -8 your "beater", am I right? I think I read your thread. I'll have to search.

you bias towards the s2000 is so wrong its not even funny. To point the first flaw in your statement about the s2000 beating the rx8 in "all catagories". First off, The s2000 is a fine car I drive my friends alot. For me to point out that the rx-8 out brakes the S2000 by a substantial margin, probably wouldnt go over well with you would it?

How bout to point out that the rx-8 tested skid pad #'s from .88 to .92, the EXACT #'s the S2000 got in various tests. That wouldn't go ever well either, would it?

The fact is the rx-8's chassis is stiffer than the s2000's and has a superior suspension setup as well as braking system. The S2000 has a better power to weight and a stiffer suspension. So the advantage the S2000 has is merely the fact that its 200 lbs lighter.

Next, if you were looking for a car with great gas mileage, you should have got a civic. The rx8 is not going to give you as good as gas mileage as your S2000, its a fact, get over it.

You are a whiney little bitch and I hope your ass gets banned from this forum. Infact, I hope you get 2 miles per gallon and trade in your car for that lovely civic so someone else can appreciate your car.

You annoy me. You are a whiner and quite frankly you make me sick.

Have a nice day jack ass.

Originally posted by amartin

Second, as said, I have a S2K, and I DO NOT drive it like a grand-ma..infact, I drive it like a freaking maniac..and even then, I RARELY get under 19mpg... and thats on a vehicle that clearly out accelerates and performs to my RX-8. In all areas..no competition... it just flat out spanks the snot outta the RX-8. Period. I own the Rx-8 for the 4 seats, not to race it..and thus, drive it like a 'reasonable and prudent' adult would. Yet a 2.0L 4 banger screaming at 6-9k RPM as often as the streets permit gets 30% better gas milage... I just don't get it.


OK....you have your sports car (S2K)........why do you own an Rx8? You need it for 4 seats and you drive it like "a mother going to church".....

you overpaid for a family hauler. Get an accord and save some money.

I'm feelin' the love in this room...

lol

Right on

in this thread:

http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171780


someone asked him about the fuel economy he replied:


I've got about 100miles on it so far... 1/2 tank left so far.. so, I have NO clue about MPG.. but honestly...do any of us buy a "sports" car for fuel ecomony?

Might as well ask about my tread wear :-)

Its fun... easy as that!

Perfect?? Nah..but what is.. okay, A F-40... or 911 Twin Turbo.. MIGHT qualify as perfect..

-- Aaron

Funny how before you dont buy a sporty car for fuel economy, but now its a beater that gets crappy gas mileage.


Hmmm wait...he also said...
Acceleration is VERY similar (The S2K is marginally faster, I'm buying the ECU mod to add 25rwhp to the RX-8 which should put both cars into a 'whos the better driver' performance level).

Wait...before acceleration was very similar with the s2k "marginally" faster. Now the rx-8 is a dog and the s2000 craps all over it.

I think someone is need some cheese with his whine.

Man, if you really want to KNOW why your car is getting poor mileage, and what issues might be a part of that then just do the search. There are a thousand threads on it, but I can tell you now that they all boil down to . . . we don't know. The variation in people's mileage seems to go from car to car, and there doesn't seem to be a central discernable reason. Lots of specualtion, but nothing which comes screaming out as a central reason.

Further, can we not tee off on this guy. He has a grand total of 22 posts on this forum so he doesn't know what annoys us.

And actually as I was running down the list of threads, this thread puts forward the reason that your thread was closed. http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18657

Originally posted by amartin
First, I don't think its appropriate for a 'moderator' to close a thread unless its considered 'offensive and inappropriate'. Why? Because its a discussion... and its SOMEONEs issue and therefore deserves the attention and replies, and the ability to reply-to comments made. However...thats a moderators right, I suppose-- but this isn't East Berlin around 1970, is it?

On a side note, if you guys are short on disk-space... Fine-fine..delete/close the thread because its just a rant... I just wanted a place to voice my opinion.


I have to say that I agree with amartin. If we're going to get technical about it, more than half the threads on these forums are redundant so they should all be closed as well.

These forums are a source of information but they are also a source of entertainment and as long as nobody crosses the line, I think the discussions should be left alone. Uninteresting/redundant disussions will find their way to the bottom of the page on their own.

If amartin's original thread was closed, does that mean nobody can ever talk about poor gas mileage anymore? Flooding issues have been beaten to death so are those topics off limits as well? Lack of head room with sunroof? No low end torque? Should I buy an 8? What color should I get? Which snow tires? What weight of oil? How often should I change oil? The list of topics that have been discussed more than once goes on and on.

There are over 4000 threads in this folder. Do you really think that each new thread that starts from today will be a completely original topic that has not been discussed in some way, shape, or form before? There is a difference between moderating and censorship...let's not cross the line.

Originally posted by i3man

There is a difference between moderating and censorship...let's not cross the line.

A very interesting statement, and well said.

Originally posted by Haze
...can we not tee off on this guy. He has a grand total of 22 posts on this forum so he doesn't know what annoys us. the kid is no noob. He's got over 1800 posts on the 2K forum. He knows how this stuff works. Some samples of his posts:


I go through cars like women buy shoes...
The S2K is marginally faster, I'm buying the ECU mod to add 25rwhp to the RX-8 which should put both cars into a 'whos the better driver' performance level.
It seems to pull as hard at 5500rpms as it does at 8500 rpms. Go figure.
I find myself speeding a LOT more in the RX-8, its extreemly quiet... you don't have the exhaust noise+wind to let you know how fast your really going.
RX8Club.com has like... a zillion total noobies asking the same stuff we did here, about 2.5 years ago.. which is a little 'annoying'

His definition of driving like grandma means he doesn't autox, a point he makes several times. He is not driving this car in a serene manner; he repeatedly discusses redlining and fuel cutout.

And finally, don't give me that crap the poor kid is a newbie when he himself is dissing noobs who post questions that have been posted before. He's a whining, 2-faced hypocrite. Any questions?

Originally posted by amartin
First, I don't think its appropriate for a 'moderator' to close a thread unless its considered 'offensive and inappropriate'. Why? Because its a discussion... and its SOMEONEs issue and therefore deserves the attention and replies, and the ability to reply-to comments made. However...thats a moderators right, I suppose-- but this isn't East Berlin around 1970, is it?

On a side note, if you guys are short on disk-space... Fine-fine..delete/close the thread because its just a rant... I just wanted a place to voice my opinion.

/end rant.

As far as my 'launching, etc'... and 'driving like a grandma': Firstly, the car I launched was a demo with 5k miles on it, not mine... So, whoever posted the retarded statement about wondering why I don't get more than 14mpg... PLEASE read or quote the ENTIRE thread instead of just snipping some portion to make yourself look smart...because it was just a jackass thing to say. The vehicle I own and drive, is driven about as hard as my mother would drive a Honda Accord on a Sunday going to church.

Second, as said, I have a S2K, and I DO NOT drive it like a grand-ma..infact, I drive it like a freaking maniac..and even then, I RARELY get under 19mpg... and thats on a vehicle that clearly out accelerates and performs to my RX-8. In all areas..no competition... it just flat out spanks the snot outta the RX-8. Period. I own the Rx-8 for the 4 seats, not to race it..and thus, drive it like a 'reasonable and prudent' adult would. Yet a 2.0L 4 banger screaming at 6-9k RPM as often as the streets permit gets 30% better gas milage... I just don't get it.

Yet..still... even with such a reserved style of driving, I'm seeing 12.5-14mpg... a 5-8 mpg LESS average than a similar vehicle (in HP and weight). This, to ME, does not make sense.

As far as octane 87 versus 93 getting better gas milage..I think thats just silly talk. More octate doesn't give more power or efficently... it simply prevents knocking/pinging... these motors should be more than fine on ~87-89 octane... The only reason (IMHO) to run higher octain is IF you are actually pinging...

-- Aaron

Your argument seems logical to me, but it did come off as a tiny bit whiney.

Originally posted by amartin

The vehicle I own and drive, is driven about as hard as my mother would drive a Honda Accord on a Sunday going to church.

Is that the church with the 200-ft burnout marks leaving the parking lot :D

Rotary engine is inherently less efficient (mpg) than piston due to shape and movement of the combustion "chamber". It is a more efficient use of space though, which gets you your 4 seats in a sports package. And it has a great "feel" which may or may not be as important to you as gas mileage or 1/4 mile times. Though those last 2 would seem mutually exclusive concerns anyway.

Whiney? Sure..might seem whiney... only because I didn't start the previous thread to start a flame war.. I was rather annoyed at the fact the thread was CLOSED... As a previous poster stated.. 'dead/old/repeat' threads work their way to the bottom.. censorship isn't cool, at least.. where I come from.

As far as 'quoting' me on the s2k forum, if your going to quote..please do so accurately.. and not JUST those specific to your needs to make me appear to be mean. Those include most helpful information regarding wash-n-wax issues, audio, and, of course.. the occasion comparision threads, which, both here, and over at s2ki.com i've actually very kind to both cars... would I really own one if I didn't like it? Did I say I didn't like the RX-8? NO! I was complaining about being sold a car that was supposed to get 18-24mpg and aren't even able to get over 15mpg, regardless of the way its driven.

Do you really think I'd BUY an RX-8 to slam it? thats silly. Fact of the matter is, as I learn more about the car, it raises questions and gives me experience in its capabilities. As far as auto-crossing, please feel free to do a search on s2ki.com... I auto cross the S2K, B-Stock, and ranked pretty damn well last year...

As far as the RX-8 being my 'beater'..that, infact, is true. in the sense-- I own 2 cars now, and s2k and an rx-8 (which replaced my 2001 Sporttrack, my previous "beater"). The RX-8 stays outside, un-garaged and exposed to weather, etc... it is for commuting to work, and driving the parents to dinner, etc... it is, infact, when you examine a 2 seater versus a 4 seater-outdoor-everyday-car... "MY" beater. If it makes you feel any better, all my vehicles are well taken care of, but the fact remains...its my "haul mom and pop", "Pick up the groceries" car. Hence, for ME, its my beater.

The point was, for diving a car relativly 'gently' and getting 5-8 MPG LESS than my S2K drive HARD in the city, road/conditions permitting (albiet, at the auto-cross I get 11-14mpg, but thats 7-9k sustained throughout the course) thats IMHO, unacceptable gas milage.


Regardless, I appreciate those of you that supported the BASIC FACTS for this post, and for those of you who resorted to name-calling and insults... Please do some home-work and see my contributions to the s2k community before acting so immature... I'm not here to bash OUR cars. I'm making a statement of fact.

- - Aaron

p.s. to the poster about how the RX-8 breaks better...has similar G's on the skip pad, etc... Whatever man... numbers are bullshit. Autocross is 90% driver, 10% car... I've said this time and time again...

If your car cannot get over 14mpg call your Dealer and Mazda and complain. Most RX8's get at least 16mpg. Get it in and get it fixed. Mine has never got less the 16.5 and averages 18-19mpg.If you want help we will, if you just want to complain you did, we heard move on.

My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy.

My 2c worth. I didn't (either) see why the thread should be closed. Agree it was redundant, but it IS HIS PROBLEM!

Agree that bunches of other redundant threads should likewise be closed if this (closing) is the rule not the exception. Still, even moderators can have their days, THEY probably get sick of the same stuff over and over worse than some of us do! (oh, tolerance!)

He owns the car, he has a right to spout off, it's HIS REALITY (no matter what other board he has posted 1000s of times in).

BUT ---- if he want s to boost about low mileage, I think IT SHOULD BE A RULE that whosoever WANTS TO COMPLAIN ON MILEAGE ALSO show his RECORDS, i.e., a reasonable FILLUP history including date, miles driven, gal to fill. WHY? To make a solid argument to all the doubting Thomas's out there who may think he doest protest too much without showing FACTS.

Ghosts of MPT stories (miles per tankful figures) will forever live on this board thanks to those mathematically challenged among us.

Regardless of whether or not he gets whiny, or contradicts himself guys, we can react with some common courtesy and not resort to name calling. Calling him a 'bitch' among other things is not constructive, and does not maintain a level of maturity on these boards I think we should be able to achieve given that we are all adults, albiet some of us in an arrested state of development. Play nice!

Censorship my ass.

I have an idea. If you have a question about something a moderator closes(in this case, me), instead of getting nasty about it in an open forum try sending me a PRIVATE MESSAGE instead of doing your best to antagonize me. The thread was closed because it's been discussed over and over. I try to close as many as I catch that seem to be the same, but I don't see everything. I'm a volunteer, remember? I can't spend every waking minute on here. And sorry, but the gas mileage has been discussed to death. And there are plenty of open threads you can use to discuss it more. If you had sent me a pm message explaining WHY you thought it shouldn't have been closed, I might have opened it back up. As it is, this one is getting very close to being closed now too because some people apparently have no manners.

Next time you have a problem with something, try talking to me in private instead of posting something rude. I don't remember being nasty to you, so why would you do it to me in public?

I'd like to point out that the moderators can do anything they want on the board. However they dont show power trips and all that to my eyes. The fact is your using somebody's board for this, and that soemone chose the mods to enforce the rules. Now, the fact is there's plenty of previous MPG issues, many still on the front page that you could just add to. You dont need to make "Your" thread. Nobody owns a thread. You start one or you continue one. It would be much more productive for people doing research on this if everybody with the problem just posted in a single thread with pertinent data so as to make it easier to compare. Having to hunt for 100 individual threads is time consuming and wasteful.

If people stopped to think about their posts for a bit, it would make the forum even better than it is. Now if your posting just to bitch about it, well, then you need to realize that just like you dont like to hear people bitch about stuff, not many want to read someone bitching about something and not doing anything about it. Remember that mods have to usually read every single post on the board, not just ones they care about.

If the miles are that bad, you need to talk to your dealer. They or Mazda are the only ones that can help. You could get a petition going and start a thread on that to get it addressed. They might balk at first as I'm sure they have a lot of people complaining about stuff in their imagination, but if you persist there has to be a solution. Just be aware that it might end up being getting rid of the car. But you HAVE to take an active part in fixing the problem.

I HATE that line "why don't you buy a civic?" DUDE there are other sports cars that get better gas mileage. ITS NOT like he wants 30+ mpg. He just wants low 20s. IMO you don't buy this car for good gas mileage (mid to upper 20s). You buy it for that lovely rotary.

Originally posted by RX8Lover
My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy.

Damn....now that's brotherly love.

Originally posted by amartin
Whiney? Sure..might seem whiney... ...

Yup, you are a whiner, and were the hell do you get off attacking the mods here, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO USE THE SEARCH FEATURE????

Elara is 100% right, you got a problem, send them a PM about it

The mods here are the best I have delt with BY FAR, and that is saying a lot. They are all good people.

You are a major JO. Why don't you sell your "beater" and get a car with a forum that meets your strict standard...How about a "jerks forum" to start.

End of MY rant...

This was amartins first post in his thread entitled, "Gas Mileage: This is BS!":

"After 850miles, I've averaged 12.5mpg.

Thats 30% less than the LOWEST level (18-24) stated for the vehicle.

For 12mpg I should be getting a hell of a lot more performance than this.

Total BS. This is just stupid to run around with this kind of gas milage. We need to voice up about this to Mazda and whoever does the estimated gas milage crap on the sticker.

Shifting like an absolute grandma I squeeked out 14mpg ONCE... and that was with a LOT of highway driving."


Amartin,

IMO, your thread was not closed because you were discussing a redundant topic, but the manner in which you discussed it. You have to agree that even the title of your thread is not very productive. Maybe if you had brought up your concern about the poor gas mileage in a more productive manner you would have received a different response from the rest of this community. I think you just need to learn people skills. Sorry about the gas mileage.

I feel like pouring sugar in amartin's gas tank.

While I understand your point, Allstate... I generally assume the following rules when posting:

As long as the post isn't offensive (ie. Language/Racist/Obscene/Trolling/you get the idea), and is on-topic for the board its posted in, it shouldn't be "moderated" (locked), or at least if thats going to happen, a PM to the user explaining why it was closed. At least, thats my personal point of view, and has been my experience on other boards.. Since I don't "pay" to use the board, I'll go by the guide-lines here.

OTOH, If I read a thread thats not "very productive" (as you viewed the other to be, or this one, whichever), I simply don't reply... it just falls down the page and off into never-never land.

Whats sad is how immature the RX-8 community represents itself with posts like the one above this.

RX8Lover wrote, "I'd like to pour sugar in amartin's tank"
RX8Lover wrote, "My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy."
RX8Lover wrote, "do a search, newbie. there's this little thing called a "search" button at the top - use it." (different thread)

8_wannabe wrote, "And finally, don't give me that crap the poor kid is a newbie when he himself is dissing noobs who post questions that have been posted before. He's a whining, 2-faced hypocrite. Any questions?"

A very quick search reveals:

Originally posted by ibfubar2000 - i dont login and post too much anymore because i got tired of all the MEMBER BASHING. i got tired of reading PERSONAL retributions to other members.

Way to represent /shrug


-- Aaron

Aaron,
I read your posts on the S2000 site that was linked here. You are a different person over there and actually sound like you like the RX8. Why do you need to be so hard on the car towards us? We under stand the mpg issue as it does effects most of us but it can be approached differentl.

As for the thread being closed, her choice since there are already many different threads ongoing on the subject.

Sea Ray,
I never said I didn't like the RX8.. I think its a great, sporty, attractive car.
My complaint wasn't really in the car, but in the fact it was sold to me under the assumption I'd receive 18-24mpg. When infact, like many others, thats simply not the case.
If the sticker said "12-14MPG City", and I still bought it, I'd expect 12-14mpg...
I don't believe (looking up through my post(s)) that I've 'bashed' the RX-8, or at least, that wasn't my intention if it came off that way...

Anyone who frequents this board, or who bothers doing any advance research on the RX-8 should know that the car has a problem with gas mileage. This doesn't excuse Mazda from screwing up, but it shouldn't exactly come as a great shock to you.

I was reading through this thread and I realize you have an issue with the gas mileage. I drove my car like a mad man with 87 octain and got 14.5 and 15 MPG pretty steady. With 91 under the same conditions I got 17 MPG (thats driving like a mad man).

Ok, going beyond that I wanted to prove the car gets exactly or better what the sticker said. For the last two fill ups I put 91 octain in my car and drove steady at 2900 RPM, shifting by about 3000. Driving my car this way keeping very steady on the gas with 91 octain in the city I got 21 the first time and just over 22 the second time.

This is with just a little stop and go, mostly city streets and some highway. Its boring to drive the car this way, so 17 MPG is fine with me.

If you are driving like a granny and get 14 MPG you have to have a problem with your engine. This car gets the gas mileage that was advertised, you just need a steady foot cause high RPMS this car drinks fuel.

I have just over 1000 miles now.

Originally posted by amartin
Whats sad is how immature the RX-8 community represents itself with posts like the one above this.

RX8Lover wrote, "I'd like to pour sugar in amartin's tank"
RX8Lover wrote, "My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy."
RX8Lover wrote, "do a search, newbie. there's this little thing called a "search" button at the top - use it." (different thread)

8_wannabe wrote, "And finally, don't give me that crap the poor kid is a newbie when he himself is dissing noobs who post questions that have been posted before. He's a whining, 2-faced hypocrite. Any questions?"

A very quick search reveals:

Originally posted by ibfubar2000 - i dont login and post too much anymore because i got tired of all the MEMBER BASHING. i got tired of reading PERSONAL retributions to other members.

Way to represent /shrug


-- Aaron
Aaron,
I wholeheartedly agree. There is no excuse for name calling, member bashing, etc. However, I do think that if your initial post was not so strong, almost exagerating, these types of post would not have followed. The sad truth is that people usually say things over the internet that they regret later. Knowing this, you have to be very careful constructing any and every post knowing that you could unleash a fury of responses from people who disagree with you. You know....kill 'em with kindness.

Aaron, we don't need endless threads on issues that we already have discussed TO DEATH. Regardless if this is your particular problem or not, the rest of the community should not have to be subjected to more of these types of threads to have to sift through to get to some original and interesting threads, period.

If I do a search by using that little thing called a SEARCH BUTTON and type in "gas mileage", I get 576 results. 576. That used to be 575 until this thread. I along with most other members don't need constant reminder of the same damn issues.

And I don't care if this is for those "new" members that may have not seen these threads as often as those who have been here for a while...all new members should do a search before posting a new thread. In fact, they should be restricted from starting a new thread until they have something like 100 posts or something - that way they could have a chance to cruise around the site and learn a little bit.

And I still wish I had sugar for your gas tank. :D

well, at least I did not mention suger...

I am new to this forum but I have been in the Miata forum for around a year or so. Generally, both forums have a lower degree of flaming and other attacks on opinions than typically found on the internet. I guess from where I sit I really don't see why people get so upset when someone expresses a preference for one car over another. Obviously, I like the Miata and I know I will like the RX8 when it finally comes in (7 weeks and waiting, 55 years old and feeling like a kid waiting for Christmas). If someone likes something else more, so what? It doesn't make me feel that maybe I made a mistake or should have bought the car they like. In other words, it isn't personal, so why treat it like it is?:confused:

"I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I'd like to buy the world a Coke
And keep it company
That's the real thing"

Enough w/ the fussing in the fighting- love your fellow RX-8 owner desipte all his/her faults. (Me, I'm at 72 faults & counting)

If so many people here are ticked off by MPG threads and the mods feel the need to close them, maybe we need a "DEAD HORSE" sticky thread that lists all topics that cannot be started in a new thread.

- bad gas mileage
- engine flooding

Any others? I hardly think it's fair that a person with a problem should be required to post at the bottom of a 200 post thread that is 2 months old...but I don't make the rules around here, I just play by them.

I think people need to show a little more restraint and learn to ignore posts that rub them the wrong way. There is no reason to add childish insults and name calling to a thread that you have absolutely no interest in, aside from trying to start an argument.

Whenever you have the urge to respond in a disorderly fashion, just say to yourself OHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, and think CALMMMMMMMMMM, and your anger will disappear :p

Just remember dead/redundant/uninteresting threads will fall to the bottom and disappear on their own. If you respond, it only moves the thread right back to the top and it will take that much longer for it to disappear.

Originally posted by amartin
Whiney? Sure..might seem whiney... only because I didn't start the previous thread to start a flame war.. I was rather annoyed at the fact the thread was CLOSED... As a previous poster stated.. 'dead/old/repeat' threads work their way to the bottom.. censorship isn't cool, at least.. where I come from.


You weren't censored. If you had been, your thread would have been removed. It wasn't. Everyone can still read your whiny post. Feel free to continue to whine in of the other umpteen zillion 'bad gas mileage' threads.

Elara was right to close the thread - I don't understand why you didn't post in an existing thread - you offered nothing new or interesting.

amartin,

I think you bought a lemon. In addition, I believe you yourself are a lemon also.

So what we have here is a lemon driving a lemon.

Your gas mileage is pathetic and so are you.

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
amartin, Your gas mileage is pathetic and so are you.

That about sums it up! :D

Youir post on the s2k forum was fairly complimentary of the 8, then you come here and that initial post was "trolling for flames."

Happy? Seems you got what you wanted.

If you come to this forum and write stuff like that, people will respond harshly. It's cool you have both cars, enjoy them, and please give us more feedback on your perceptions of their respective qualities.

Some of the immaturity here is almost unbelievable... As an example, RX8Lover, and all of his wise-arse comments... lets just take a small look:

My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18669&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

I feel like pouring sugar in amartin's gas tank.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18669&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

Just take a photo in the daytime when you are done with the project. Your current pictures serve no purpose except to waste bandwidth.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16513

good luck, newbie. why dont you get outta here.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18640

do a search, newbie. plus your second sentence makes no sense.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18587

yes, please use the search button. Yet another question that has been mentioned a MILLION TIMES.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18487

*yawn* old news
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18224

do a search, newbie. there's this little thing called a "search" button at the top - use it.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18419

I was able to do the quarter mile in 12.5 seconds by counting out loud to myself...
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15634&perpage=15&pagenumber=5

i ReAlLy HaTe WhEn PeOpLe TyPe LiKe ThIs. iT iS sO aNnOyIng
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4054

good luck selling rims for that price.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17286

somehow your wheel gap looks bigger than stock. You need to lower it immediately so people don't laugh at you as you drive by.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16254

DID ANYONE EVER TELL YOU THAT TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS LIKE SHOUTING? IT IS VERY OBNOXIOUS.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15606

Congratulations. You have made the largest photo ever of an RX-8.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15841
haha
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17496
(Some guy gets introuble with the law.. and 'haha' is the reponse...)

ok, looking for a definitive answer to this question is both stupid and ridiculous. how would any member know what is being put in your "friends" Rx8, if this is even true?
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17209


As much as I love this site, my car, and the community of rotary lovers, I am beginning to get disgusted on the thread subjects that get posted. I hope to God it improves.
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18657

^-- Pretty amazing, since your contributions do nothing but inflame and insult.





Now, thats the first 2 pages of his posts out of many, and whats amusing (Thanks to RX8Lover, I'm really playing with the search feature now), is when you looking for posts under his name..guess what? 90% of them are rude, insulting, or just a plain waste of bandwidth...However, you see, I can understand his comments, since he is clearly an immature kid who probably had his car bought for him.. okay, fine..so mommy and daddy bought him a car, and now he's being a smart ass "know it all".. I've met geeks like that before, like most of us..you know, the brat who can't figure out why nobody likes him?? Ya..so no biggie.

But the rest of you?! Sheesh.. Didn't your mothers ever teach you, "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" ??

Do you not all have national meetings and gatherings with people from here? OR do you never plan on meeting the people whom which you talk to (and in some cases insult)??

-- Aaron

I have a big fat cat at home.

Originally posted by zthang
Your argument seems logical to me, but it did come off as a tiny bit whiney.


i agree with this post. but i'd be whining to if i was in his position ;)

Originally posted by MMGDC
Anyone who frequents this board, or who bothers doing any advance research on the RX-8 should know that the car has a problem with gas mileage. This doesn't excuse Mazda from screwing up, but it shouldn't exactly come as a great shock to you.

yeah if you frequent this board you definitely should not be surprised if you don't get the epa rating mpg. however i don't think reading this forum here would lead anyone to believe an rx8 should not get better than 14 mpg (unless something is wrong with the engine).

its so easy to get the EPA or better than the EPA rating in this car. U guys need to learn how to drive it, or get it fixed.

Originally posted by ml2316
yeah if you frequent this board you definitely should not be surprised if you don't get the epa rating mpg. however i don't think reading this forum here would lead anyone to believe an rx8 should not get better than 14 mpg (unless something is wrong with the engine).

Actually, I didn't come to this board until after purchasing the RX-8... I posted a msg about how I got rid of my truck in 'exchange' for the rx8... so I didn't know about..well, any really, issues of the RX-8.

My GF has a 2000 Miata, and a MX-6 (10 years ago for about 8 years... or so-- my time frame may be skewed there) and has had no problems, so, I had some faith in the 'mazda' line of vehicles...

Suppose I should have looked online before hand, either way, I'd still have bought the RX-8, I just wish I was told the truth about my MPG.. or, that perhaps, I need an ECU flash upgrade or whatever.

For what its worth, I sent a message to Mazda inquiring about the poor MPG, if I get any kind of reasonable respose, I'll post it.

Ohh..for those who asked 'how did I calculate the mpg'... my formula is quite simple: Whenever I fill up, I always stop filling when the pump initially stops (no extra filling)... then take my trip-a and divide it by the gallons pumped in... Thus, if it was 100 miles, and 10 gallons.. 100/10 = 10mpg. Then reset the trip-a and go on about my business.

Assuming most pumps cut-off around the same point (sure there's error, but still), I can fill any amount, and divide the gallons into the distance traveled...

..thats how I calculate my MPG. If thats horribly wrong, let me know a better way... I then log that MPG and distance until the next time I visit the pump. I try and not go below 1/8th tank.

-- Aaron

Originally posted by amartin
Some of the immaturity here is almost unbelievable... As an example, RX8Lover, and all of his wise-arse comments... lets just take a small look

-- Aaron

Now just think, had you taken THAT much effort in the first place before posting your stupid MPG thread, we could have avoided this whole thing.

Plus you're completely wrong in your assessment of me - I am 25 and bought the car myself. I just can't stand how people like you post on this board and think you're special with your thread starting, which is why I reply the way I do. Sometimes I post for humor purposes, which is proven in your "list" of evidence of my posts, if you had the mentality to read into them instead of simply calling them flaming. You really need to get a life....

And if some of my posts are a little harsh to you, quit your whining, you little baby. I'm entitled to my opinion.

BTW, just yesterday I noticed I got 20 MPG - haha! :D

Any time someone gets their message closed or banned they scream censorship. This is a private site, not government, so by definition there is no censorship.

The moderators do a fine job keeping this an informative, friendly forum. They should close more stupid threads. The redundant (use the damn search function), hostile, ill-informed, baiting posters are the reason I don't come here much any more. I don't expect anyone to care, but the garbage may turn away other RX-8 owners and gradually our forum dies.

By the way, I love my car but I never get better than 14 mpg and that is a dissappointment.

OKay, I can't believe I'm saying this, but please guys, STOP with the personal attacks on amartin. If for no other reason than so I don't get bitched at because I have to close yet ANOTHER of his threads. PLEASE???

Why people have to be so defensive about their beloved vehicule when someone talks about it in a negative way?

amartin's original post was maybe a little bit aggressive but he has all the right be slightly pissed. He even gets shit on s2kiforums for giving a great feedback on his 8.

Some people in this thread should refrain to post on this board if it's only to spout insults and names.

Back to the topic.

I also would like to know how you guy calculate the MPG.

-I fill the tank.
-Reset the counter.
-On my next fill, I check how many miles I did and how much I filled up.

I think that's the most common way and I am getting figures pretty close to the EPA rating of my Integra GS-R (29~32MPG).

Looks like a lot of people are getting better MPG past the 5000 miles barrier... any hypothesis on this?

Aaron, do you have a source for your explanation on the poor dyno result of the RX8 due to the DSC not being full disengaged?

As far as the RX-8 being my 'beater'..that, infact, is true. in the sense-- I own 2 cars now, and s2k and an rx-8 (which replaced my 2001 Sporttrack, my previous "beater"). The RX-8 stays outside, un-garaged and exposed to weather, etc... it is

I'd do the same if I have both cars, RX-8 being the winter beater.

Second, and thats on a vehicle that clearly out accelerates and performs to my RX-8. In all areas..no competition... it just flat out spanks the snot outta the RX-8. Period

^^^ I couldn't agree more...

More reliable too in terms of not having the engine being replaced or flooded...

Originally posted by amartin
Actually, I didn't come to this board until after purchasing the RX-8... I posted a msg about how I got rid of my truck in 'exchange' for the rx8... so I didn't know about..well, any really, issues of the RX-8.

My GF has a 2000 Miata, and a MX-6 (10 years ago for about 8 years... or so-- my time frame may be skewed there) and has had no problems, so, I had some faith in the 'mazda' line of vehicles...

Suppose I should have looked online before hand, either way, I'd still have bought the RX-8, I just wish I was told the truth about my MPG.. or, that perhaps, I need an ECU flash upgrade or whatever.

-- Aaron

Maybe it's just me, but personally, I would never buy any car, let alone a brand spanking new 1st year model that just so happens to be the ONLY production rotary car on earth at the moment, without doing some research and talking to multiple other owners first. You're certainly not going to get the truth from a car manufacturer or a dealer... those guys only tell the truth when legally compelled. Otherwise, they say what will sell cars.

No question Mazda screwed up... the mileage ranges between borderline acceptable to downright gawdawful, but all the information was out there for anyone who was willing to look around for it. I understand your frustration, but an ounce of prevention is better than yadda yadda...

:D

Okay...throwing my head on the chopping block...

You know, that little search button on the top of the page is a nice feature and it would be beneficial to search a topic for more information before starting a new topic but the frequent chastising that takes place now when a new topic is started on a old subject is inexcusable. This message board can quickly become a place where people stop by and leave never to return because of those that choose to post…um…aggressive replies instead of truly trying to “help” them.

I have run tech site message boards and I am sorry but duplicated topics and postings are to be expected...with any subject matter. That is a fact of running a message board. Think about it. The first time you experience something and find a place with other owners and you go through a few pages of posts looking for a topic and then you finally give up, not realizing the ability to search, and you start a topic. Oops, it’s been covered 20 previous times. So what? Advise and move on. We all have a new beast here. The car is very popular now and there is a lot of interest. Enjoy it, it may not last.

As for the flames and little jabs…just consider the source. There are going to be those that do it…happens everywhere in life. There will always be those that like to make themselves feel better at the expense of others (flame suit on).

And, since this original topic is near and dear…last three tanks (A/T – even more flame bait) 13, 16, 13 MPG. Complaining to dealer and the big M now. Hey guys/gals, regardless if you are having the problem, there is a problem out there. If you are getting the stated, all the better as that gives us hope that maybe it can be fixed.

RJ

Doc Wrote, "Aaron, do you have a source for your explanation on the poor dyno result of the RX8 due to the DSC not being full disengaged?"

... Hrrmph.. I don't honestly remember saying anything about a dyno result for my RX-8. I have not put my rx-8 on a dyno... So, either I have a typo somewhere, or was misunderstood perhaps?

I was talking about an ecu reflash-- the service guy at Mazda here said there was a ecu update for a certain 'vin' range which improves gas-milage. No clue if there's any truth to this or not, however he did say my VIN didn't fall into the range for a reflash.

As I said a few posts up, I wrote Mazda about it, and some automated reply said someone would be in contact. Who really knows though.

-- Aaron

This is what you wrote over at s2ki.com


Actually..the Dyno #'s you are quoting (2 posts above, 170-175), are as a result of 'limp' mode where the traction control system isn't fully disabled on the RX-8, thus the front-wheels aren't spinning on the dyno (the RX-8 has a bad-ass traction/stability control system...and front-wheel motion is accounted for), and the rears are, which causes the ECU to back off...

This is documented and proven... The RWHP is closer to 195 RWHP however, ~300-400 more LBS heavier than the S2K.


(Never said it was faster, but its not as slow as your making it seam..and who better to say than someone who owns both?)

Trust me on this... both perfect launches, in a 1/4 mile run (hehe..me being the driver in both).. I'd say the S2K would win by 1.5 car lengths, maybe 2 if I wasn't hung-over :-)


-- Aaron

rjenk,

Great post. I was new here once too. There certainly are those people out there who seem to need to feel greatness through the expense of others. It only goes to show that they have not yet become self-actualized (my wife has her masters in counseling psychology). It would be a better forum if we didn't have to waste our time defending a new member who made a simple mistake and could easily be directed to going about things the correct way. MPG is going to be on everyones mind who is having the problem and as far as I can tell that is more people than the ones who aren't. I am included in the MPG issues and am considering getting an attorney involved in a class action suit if I don't see things improve or get fixed soon. As for those people who can laugh... Ha Ha... at those who don't get their gas milage I think we would do better to have more supportive members post to the forum. And I guarantee that they wouldn't be making such rude comments if this was a face to face situation. Being short is one thing but personally attacking someone for asking a question, that is rude. I went to the school of hard knocks and I wouldn't let someone talk to me that way on the street and I sure as hell don't like seeing it on this forum either. Stop wasting your and our time flaming.

"Trust me on this... both perfect launches, in a 1/4 mile run (hehe..me being the driver in both).. I'd say the S2K would win by 1.5 car lengths, maybe 2 if I wasn't hung-over."

This is one of the quotes from the other forum that set me off. On the S2K site you're saying how your S2K outperforms your 8. Over here, you're saying you don't race the '8. The hypocracy was more than I could stand.

HOWEVER... if you find out about an ECU reflash that fixes gas mileage and post it here, all sins are forgiven. I will nominate you for "poster of the year" as gas mileage is my one and only gripe about the '8.

Originally posted by Doc Gyneco
This is what you wrote over at s2ki.com

Ahh.. I see what you meant now-- That data was taken from CanZooomer dyno information based on his Stage-1 work he's doing (his ECU mod), and was not collected from me personally (eg. my car).

-- Aaron

Originally posted by 8_wannabe
"Trust me on this... both perfect launches, in a 1/4 mile run (hehe..me being the driver in both).. I'd say the S2K would win by 1.5 car lengths, maybe 2 if I wasn't hung-over."

This is one of the quotes from the other forum that set me off. On the S2K site you're saying how your S2K outperforms your 8. Over here, you're saying you don't race the '8. The hypocracy was more than I could stand.

HOWEVER... if you find out about an ECU reflash that fixes gas mileage and post it here, all sins are forgiven. I will nominate you for "poster of the year" as gas mileage is my one and only gripe about the '8.

I don't believe I have to be auto-crossing my RX-8 to know how it performs 0-100, my G-tech and my butt tend to give me a pretty good back-to-back comparison, not to mention I have access to more than just my own RX-8...

I knew how well my SportTrac performed, my integra, my Acura CL, Acura TL, etc.. Never 'raced' those cars either, but that doesn't mean I didn't at least test and see how well they ran.

I suppose now that I've tested the car out a few times that means I race it? /shrug. I'm sure most people here have opened up every car they have, if even to make it to the exit on the highway, or whatever... certainly doesn't mean they 'race', nor does it mean they don't drive the car prudently.

I am quite certain, however, had I said the opposite, you wouldn't have even bother posting that quote. Sorry, its not the case. But it doesn't mean anything, kind of like having 2 children.. you can love them both ya know.

-- Aaron

Also, if your going to quote me... try and be fair instead of pulling parts that make me look like I'm 'dissing' the RX-8... As an example:

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http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171780

I actually LOVED the Titanium RX-8, but having 2 cars silver, just didn't seem right (I might have well had bought a hard-top for the S2K if I went for the Silver RX-8 imho).

Ok-- on with the goodies:

Acceleration is VERY similar (The S2K is marginally faster, I'm buying the ECU mod to add 25rwhp to the RX-8 which should put both cars into a 'whos the better driver' performance level).

The RX-8 "beeps" at around 8500 RPM with a 9000rpm redline, and 9500 fuel-cut-off (rev-limiter).

Its flat out "WEIRD" to accelerate... the feeling is very 'neutral' regardless of RPM (for the most part). It seems to pull as hard at 5500rpms as it does at 8500 rpms. Go figure.

I find myself speeding a LOT more in the RX-8, its extreemly quiet, and being a hard-top + windows up, you don't have the exhaust noise+wind to let you know how fast your really going.

As far as handling goes-- I have no idea. Its got 18s (they all do), but this is my 'beater' so I really have no intention to auto-x the car. It does have "DSC" -- Dynamic Stability Control + traction control, which is kind of cool if your GF is goign to drive it-- breaks the appropriate wheel(s) if you get on it (for example aroudn a corner) to maintain control.

Has built-in tire pressure monitoring..which is really goofy imho--sometimes I WANT to run low pressure for certain auto-x things.. oh--wait, I'm not Auto-Xing this..so thats a good feature :-) (but If I was, it would be annoying).

Interior is nice...clean, well laid out, etc.. HOWEVER, the Stereo unit is 'combined' with the thermostat controls, and all the other various controls... clock..etc.. Which means changing to a custom stereo is a MAJOR ASS PAIN. If you want to make a boom'er stereo outta this thing (or really, just change to a different head-unit), and figure it out-- let me know. Cuz it looks like your pretty much stuck with the stock head unit.

Anyway, after the ECU mod arrives (late Jan), I'm going to have The Captain (Kirk) take my S2K and give me a few races to see how we do. All in all, 'stock' the S2K is faster IMHO... I not surpsied-- 238 vs. 240 hp but ~300-350lbs heavier. Handling I have to give to my S2K (of course, I'm running R-compound on the S2K but still.. I think the S2K would out corner the RX-8).
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What you realize after owning both... (and I'm sure if I owned a 350z, and a boxter)... is how much appreciation you can get for the technology and various idea and improvements that manif's have had over the years.

I can only say I'm honored to own the ones that I do...perhaps one day, I'll own all the various toys out there (like Jay Leno). :-)

-- Aaron

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I was not trying to compare apples to oranges here... a "4" door sports car to a 2-door roaderster is just insane to compare.. I wasn't going there..

For WHAT IT IS... its quite nice.. and after a few mods, (straight line performance wise) it'll be a fun ride-- the other RX-8 owners are seeing 13.6-7's i(with the ecu mod..but I don't care, this is my beater) in the 1/4 mine. NEITHER CAR is a straight line car...so I really dont 'give a flying fook which is faster in a straight line as long as I can get into the lane I want wihtout much of a problem.

If any of us (myself included, s2K or RX8 or 350z, or whatever)..wanted that, we would have gone an gotten a Z06 or similar right?? all right!

Bottom line is-- for the $$..its a nice vehicle.. quick, sporty, "cute", and fun to drive. Is it ROADSTER no? Duhh... no.. in "ITS" class is it a blast?? Yup.. You betcha.

So..relax.. Its just an easy-going review of 100miles in an rx-8. But I CAN tell you this... it beats the shvts outta the ford.. (btw.. I'll never own a ford again)

Please.. for all you 'other car' haters...keep in mind-- I STILL have a S2K... and NOW an Rx-8.. I don't judge either... I'm just saying it as it appears to me. I like both, in different ways...
-- Aaron

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Does that really sound like someone who doens't like the car?

Originally posted by amartin
Also, if your going to quote me... try and be fair instead of pulling parts that make me look like I'm 'dissing' the RX-8... As an example:


Talk about a hypocrite! You did the EXACT same thing when quoting MY posts! Were you fair in quoting anything besides what you felt was against the norm? NO. SO why would anyone else do the same for you?

Hmmm...Maybe its because your first 2 replies were personal attacks?

Originally posted by amartin
Hmmm...Maybe its because your first 2 replies were personal attacks?

Ok there, buddy.

Originally posted by amartin
First, I don't think its appropriate for a 'moderator' to close a thread unless its considered 'offensive and inappropriate'.
Sorry amartin, but that is what is happening to this thread. It is nothing but flame wars.

This thread was supposed to talk about gas mileage (a redundant, but not inappropriate topic). It is now nowhere even close to that.

Closed.