I live in Texas and i still feel that Racism is an issue here, yeah i know is sad but is true. I was Born in New York and raised in Puerto Rico, I got a brand new house a VW Jetta for my Wife, 2002 GSXR-600, and my RX-8, and people hate on me like is a crime to do good..!! Wh@t the hell!!, They can't understand that when i was younght alot of people my age was partying and having kids while i was working hard to have what i have now. But thats ok i still going to sleep and eat like a baby and wont let that stop my goals..:) . Here in this Forum alot of people don't reply my post cuz they say they can't understand what i am saying, i am sorry, being raised in Puerto Rico where everything is in Spanish some times is hard for me but bealive me i try my Best..:) My gramar sucks, yeah is true..and my spelling is worst..lol, but please if you don't understand something ask me i will try my best to explain what i am trying to say...so i got like 20 question about my 8 if any one is willing to work with me to try to help me let me know....This for forum is been real helpfull to me, i even have it in my Home Page, so Puertorican asking for help...lets stop the Racism, i think we have to leave that behind..:) hope i didn't ofend nobody just trying to explain my self..:)Have a good one, we all RX-8 Freaks...lol

Well, I'm definately not racist, but I am a grammar Nazi!

I'll field anyquestion, if I can understand it!:p

Nice Gixxer

A few good examples of racism in the public eye are the TV station B.E.T., Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson. I know many Texas (I live here) rednecks that are that way as well. Unfortunately it is always going to be around anywhere you go. You have to realize on the forum that there are just many people that go out of their way to be a pest. Stop by the RX-7 forum sometime and you'll really see what I mean. It happens. Just ignore them and listen to those who respond in a dignified way. There are those of us here that do realize that the entire world does not speak english. Just keep asking and you'll end up with a good answer. I'm sorry that it happens to you but in a way it happens to all of us regardless of race. We see in the news all the time how we are hated by other parts of the world just because we are Americans. Then we have our own country members insulting their own people, government, and policies rather than learn how things really work. One day the world may get along but it won't be in our lifetime. It is sad and I hope that if you ever feel repressed that you just keep your head held high and maintain a higher level of dignity than your ridiculers. If you need a friend just hop on here. You've got at least one!

RX-JIMENEZ

We are in similar shoes my family comes from Hungary we left in 1956 during the revolution .

Went to Chile South AMERICA SO I SPEAK Hungarian ,Spanish and English .

When i was ten i had to learn English when my family migrated to Australia, the aussie kids at school would tease and call me spick and daigo , wog .

Slowly some learnt to accept me but i had to work doubly hard to earn their respect , plenty of fist fights as well .
My english is not as great as i would like it , but i manage .

Be proud of your Puerto rican heretigy you and your family will never really be accepted by some , so what .

Queenslanders can be a bit like the rednecks in America and i often dont feel like i am really accepted by them , but it does not worry me i am proud of my heretige and my language skills .

My religion is also in the minority as i am JEWISH i dont have to tell you or others how some ignorant assholes feel towards me and my religion .

Be proud and true to yourself and dont woory about the racist in this world , i am proud of my 5000 year old JEWISH history as opposed to most of the AUSTRALIANS a lot of their ancestors came to Australia as convicts .

I am a proud AUSTRALIAN JEW Who speaks in English Hungarian , and Spanish and i say F#$%^ all the racists
MICHAEL

Ya, keep your head up man. There are a lot of LAZY, JEALOUS people out there. They are jealous that you do well, but yet they are too damn lazy to worker harder and improve their own situation. Granted, sometimes people fall into hard times, but when people have the opportunity to go to school, or even work extra hours at work, but they choose not to, then it's no one else's fault but their own damn fault that they can't have the car that they want, or a house of their own.

There's a lot of angry people in this world, don't let them make you one of them though. You've done very well for yourself so keep your head up.

In all fairness guys, I doubt anybody knows him in real life off this forum, so why would we need to know how tough he gets it outside. While I agree some people on this forum can be pretty acid at times, we also dont know what peoples language levels are. After all, it is the internet. Sadly you normally cant tell the difference between people who dont know english too well, and people who are just lazy or impressionable kids who cant express themselves.

If you posted a question before and someone made fun of your english, all you need to say is the fact that english is not your first language and your doing the best ya can. There is no need for the life story and hearing how unfair it is. Because after all, your calling someone a racist, when maybe, like maniac said, they where just being grammer nazi's.

Now the fact you see racism every day, well sadly, thats true of anywhere or anyplace you go. There is always gonna be someone that small. Like you do now, just ignore it and move on. I've been doing it all my life.

Now that being said, yes I do speak spanish so PM me any questions you have.

OK, I'll 'fess up a little here...

I do tend to ignore (or at least not reply to) posts that are poorly written, because the majority of them are written by people who have no excuse for their poor grammar, spelling, or sentence construction - they're just being plain lazy and not making any effort to communicate well.

I do make exceptions in the case of non-native English speakers however. I can only suggest that if you're not getting answers to your questions, you try rephrasing them a little, or simply "bump" the thread to get it back to the top of the forum list.



What do you call someone who speaks multiple languages?
Multilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks only one language?
An American.

;)

Thanks for the reply, and please don't get me wrong i am not mad at this forum, i understand how diferent people are, so i don't judge everyone the same, and yes you can feel the racism here where i live but that don't meen that i am running out the issue....no way, just try hard everyday to teach people how important it is to get along..:) I am 33 years young, and Born in New York and Raised in Puerto Rico i had seen it all.. thats for sure..:) Thanks for the Replys to everyone, so the people close to Texas we can get together one Day..;

Jiminez, I hope you take my answer in the constructive spirit in which it is intended. I went back and looked at a lot of your posts. Your English is not bad, I attribute a few spelling/grammar mistakes to the fact this is your second language. But in most cases, like many others in this forum, you are just being lazy. Here's an example of one of your posts:

"cool!!! i will soon, i am waiting on my intake and exhaust.., hey any news how to stop the hop??? is driving me crazy never had a car doing it so much..."

I know you can write better than that cuz you do in many cases. Capitalize the first letter of your sentences, put spaces between sentences, use less punctuation. You are being intentionlly lazy. There is nothing racist going on here; but people online tend to respond to intelligent and coherent posts (or to mental pimp.) :-) If you intentionally appear less intelligent or less coherent, you will get fewer credible replies. Spelling errors are forgiveable.

To your credit, you stopped USING ALL CAPS which you used to do. That is considered rude online, and will get you no polite responses.

In general you are getting replies to your questions. I see you posted a lot yesterday and no replies yet, but sometimes it takes a couple days for a reply to come in. Most of your older posts, if you asked a question, someone answered. Some of your posts were just comments requiring no reply, so no one did. In general, I think your experience is about average with the rest of us. As someone else said, if you haven't gotten a reply in a couple days your post is far down the "New" list, you need to post again to get back to the top of the list. Many of us do that, but only if it's really important to you.

hey man.. just a thought.. if you don't feel comfortable writing in English write it in spanish! This is after all an international forum! or send a PM to people you know who do!

Nah, his english is fine. If we go multi-lingual we will lose the benefit of sharing info among all of us, plus he will be limiting the scope of informed responses to a small subset of forum members.

Originally posted by RX-jimenez
But thats ok i still going to sleep and eat like a baby

I frequently try to eat like a baby, but my wife doesn't appreciate it - especially in a restaurant, trying to get her to whip it out!!!

:p

This kind of post tends to piss me off. A quick bio: I am an not anglo and am an immigrant to the USA (Texas). I attended 90% anglo Texas A&M University and studied engineering. In the 15 years since, I have traveled for business about 30% of the time, to about 60 countries.

There are racists everywhere. Including Puerto Ricans and Jews. I feel that American & Canadian anglos are some of the least racist people I have ever met.

My beloved Texas A&M is currently getting a ton of flack for being the only university in Texas not to renew affirmative action. While I am unsure of this stance I can honestly say that I never ever suffered a single moment of feeling that people were judging me in a racial slant.

Finally, to reinforce what rotarygod said; If you begin to assume that all or most people are racist against you then you will begin to prejudge them and will in fact be a racist yourself.

Originally posted by babylou
This kind of post tends to piss me off.

My beloved Texas A&M is currently getting a ton of flack for being the only university in Texas not to renew affirmative action. While I am unsure of this stance I can honestly say that I never ever suffered a single moment of feeling that people were judging me in a racial slant. Maybe the A&M Powers That Be decided racism was no longer a significant issue there and that affirmative action is no longer needed. Personally, I find that hard to imagine but as per your personal experience maybe it's true. If so, God bless 'em. That's the definition of a truly color-blind society when we no longer need to draw distinctions due to the color of one's skin.

Just curious, what exactly pissed you off in this thread? Was the the fact that jimenez was attibuting stuff to racism when it may not have been that at all?

Lock & Load,

I am glad to see another Hungarian on the forum!

May I just say: "Udvozlet Minneapolisbol!"

Erik

Originally posted by Erik's8
May I just say: "Udvozlet Minneapolisbol!"No, this is a family forum. ;)

Originally posted by Erik's8
Lock & Load,

I am glad to see another Hungarian on the forum!

May I just say: "Udvozlet Minneapolisbol!"

Erik

Tamas is also of hungarian stock.
My family left Hungary when i was 3 years old so my Hungarian is equivalent to a ten year olds language skills .

miki

LOL, found a useful website here (http://www.foreignword.com/).Originally posted by Erik's8
May I just say: "Udvozlet Minneapolisbol!" For those who had trouble with it, I translated that to mean, "My regards to Minneaopolis!" How'd I do!?

Originally posted by 8_wannabe
LOL, found a useful website here (http://www.foreignword.com/).

Good one MATE

I have no problem reading your posts. I am asian and many asians that speak ESL speak sort of a "broken english" so I'm pretty good at putting together partial and grammatically incorrect sentences. If I don't respond to a post it's just because I have no interest in the subject and not because of poor grammar or any other reason.

I've got one word of advice for you if you do want to improve your grammar and this has nothing to do with the way you write because I don't know if you know this or not...this is just a generalization of what I believe to be the most common mistake in the english language.

90% of all Americans don't know the difference between the 2 words "your" and "you're" which is a crying shame. We as Americans should have learned this in the 6th grade but 90% of Americans that have graduated from high school cannot use these 2 words correctly. Just look at every single internet forum, including this one, and you will see what I am talking about.

90% may be a bit high but it just seems that bad.

And for those that do not know the difference, "your" is a possessive and "you're" is a contraction of the 2 words "you" and "are." The mistake with these 2 words is that people use "your" when then should be using "you're."

Try "there, their, and they're." :)

or we're, were, where, wear

Originally posted by 8_wannabe
Just curious, what exactly pissed you off in this thread? Was the the fact that jimenez was attibuting stuff to racism when it may not have been that at all?

The general "woe is me" attitude of jimenez and some others. It just seems people want to whine about every little tough spot they encounter in life. It is always someones else that is a bad guy.

If Jimenez feels people in the English speaking USA are cracking on him for his perceived lack of grammar skills maybe he should spend more time taking English classes and less time whining about it on a car forum.

What the hell do they speak in Boston :p They sure as heck don't teach that in my school :p

WEPA! Puerto Rico Wohoo!!

Saludos de otro Boricua!
Yo tambien he sentido el racismo, mayormente en el trabajo a niveles administrativos, esta bien disfrazado... Pero yo me doy cuenta. Cosas como responsabilidades en el trabajo, salario, disciplina, etc. Pero pa'lante.

For my non-spanish speaking friends here's the translation:
Greetings from another Boricua! (another name for Puertorrican)I've also felt racism, specially at work with management level people, very well disguised but I can tell. Things like job responsibilities, salary, discipline, etc. But keep fighting!

work on it, its and it's. Not just jimenez, but everyone.

Originally posted by BRx8
or we're, were, where, wear Or brakes and breaks.

yeah, like how do you break your car? Its not slowing down were it should.

Don't forget to,too,I'm, an and a.
BTY, I know my grammar SUCKS! ;)

Originally posted by babylou
The general "woe is me" attitude of jimenez and some others. It just seems people want to whine about every little tough spot they encounter in life. It is always someones else that is a bad guy.

If Jimenez feels people in the English speaking USA are cracking on him for his perceived lack of grammar skills maybe he should spend more time taking English classes and less time whining about it on a car forum.





You see is not even like that, i am not whining, and sure i know there are some good people out there. But lets face it, envy is there, Racism is there too, so i said this is a Lounge so lets talk about this. But like i said before i am still going to sleep like a Baby..:) so let me ask you this, you think there is no Racism at all here in Texas?

Originally posted by babylou
The general "woe is me" attitude of jimenez and some others. It just seems people want to whine about every little tough spot they encounter in life. It is always someones else that is a bad guy.

If Jimenez feels people in the English speaking USA are cracking on him for his perceived lack of grammar skills maybe he should spend more time taking English classes and less time whining about it on a car forum.

Let me guess, a white dude from the South. Pathetic.

Originally posted by RX-jimenez
You see is not even like that, i am not whining, and sure i know there are some good people out there. But lets face it, envy is there, Racism is there too, so i said this is a Lounge so lets talk about this. But like i said before i am still going to sleep like a Baby..:) so let me ask you this, you think there is no Racism at all here in Texas? I am certain there is racism in Texas, which is why I expressed surprise at A&M dropping their EEO policy. Whatever prejudice you have faced in life you seem to be overcoming with education and economic success. I think it was Colin Powell who made a speech once to a Black audience. He said the greatest way for minorities to overcome prejudice was to accumulate wealth. Become successful. Then people will judge you for what you are, not for a stereotype. You seem to be on that track.

So as per my earlier post, don't "act dumb." You did that in many of your earlier posts, then you log in to whine that people don't respect you online. My answer to that is: Don't act dumb, because you're clearly not. Act educated and people in general will respond to that. There will still be some redneck jerks no matter what you do, but they are by far in the minority and few if any in this forum. The Internet is the great equalizer; we can't see the color of your skin unless you choose to advertise it.

Originally posted by RX-jimenez
...so let me ask you this, you think there is no Racism at all here in Texas?

Of course there is racism in Texas but it is at no worse a level than in Minnesota or Argentina or China or wherever. There are blacks racist against whites, whites against hispanics, and every combination you can dream up. My point is the level of racism amongst the American white population towards others is way the hell overblown. My worldly experiences have led me to believe that everyone "wants to bring the man down" so everyone assumes "the man" is evil, blah, blah. In this day and age "the man" happens to be white Americans.

Originally posted by shift-zoom8
...Let me guess, a white dude from the South. Pathetic.

You assume I am a white guy from the south. By assuming this I must be racist. It appears you judged me without knowing jack squat. Who is the discriminatory one here?

Pathetic?.......Yes, I agree you are.

If you followed this thread you would have seen that immediately I said I am not anglo. In case you don't know, white and anglo are the same thing. I also said I live in Houston and one of the universities I attended is Texas A&M and have never experienced any racism. Plenty of cracks about being a shorty. I suppose with some peoples attitudes that can be constued as racism.

The cracks I get about being short gives me another point. In my years of business I have had employees that didn't like me (some even hate) and would insult me behind my back. Of course I would discover these insults through other employees, vendors or customers. Usually these insults make fun of me being short. Only once had I heard of any person insulting me based on race. Once does not even make a trend, much less a problem.

Originally posted by babylou
My point is the level of racism amongst the American white population towards others is way the hell overblown.

You keep making dumb statements.


[i]You assume I am a white guy from the south. By assuming this I must be racist. It appears you judged me without knowing jack squat. Who is the discriminatory one here?
[/B]

Your Aristotelian logic doesn't work, does it? I may have assumed you're white but that doesn't lead to the "racist" conclusion. Your dumb statements do.

Finally, just because an official label of "Affirmative Action" is removed does not mean the humanistic effort to balance representation doesn't still exist at a particular university.

At the University of California (UC), even though affirmative action is no longer a written policy, there is still great effort to recruit underrepresented minorities.

I have never met a white person who benefited from a legacy complain. However, I have met some who benefited from a legacy who have complained bitterly about underrepresented minorities benefiting from affirmative action. One is the son of Senator John Kyl, Sr., from Arizona. His son is a complete waste of human resources. Another is a vice president of XXXX whose daughter was one of the Rose Parade princesses who openly laughed at how he and his family had benefited from his legacy but at the same time denounced affirmative action. That's funny.

You should move to Houston, where Hispanics are now the majority! I am now an official member of a minority group (Houston Caucasian). Seriously, different ethnic groups will always give each other trouble, I think that is just human nature, but I feel like we are pretty well diversified and mutually respectful here. Y yo comprendo Espanol tambien! Verdad! Bienvenidos!

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
You keep making dumb statements.

Oh, burned me there. There is no way I can respond to such a eloquent argument.



Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Your Aristotelian logic doesn't work, does it? I may have assumed you're white but that doesn't lead to the "racist" conclusion. Your dumb statements do..
You should work on your reading comprehension. First you missed that I said I am not anglo. Then you think I called you a racist. I never insinuated you were racist. I insinuated you were discriminatory by believing I was anglo and then assuming I must be a racist.
Originally posted by shift_zoom8
...Finally, just because an official label of "Affirmative Action" is removed does not mean the humanistic effort to balance representation doesn't still exist at a particular university.

At the University of California (UC), even though affirmative action is no longer a written policy, there is still great effort to recruit underrepresented minorities.

I have never met a white person who benefited from a legacy complain. However, I have met some who benefited from a legacy who have complained bitterly about underrepresented minorities benefiting from affirmative action. One is the son of Senator John Kyl, Sr., from Arizona. His son is a complete waste of human resources. Another is a vice president of XXXX whose daughter was one of the Rose Parade princesses who openly laughed at how he and his family had benefited from his legacy but at the same time denounced affirmative action. That's funny.

Why do you talk of affirmative action and Texas A&M legacy admissions to me? I never gave an opinion for or against either one of these. I simply mentioned that I attended Texas A&M and never experienced racism even though they are getting heat for the Legacy stuff. Once again, you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

I'm done with this one.

Ok Guys i really didn't wanted a big argument about this, i know is Racism every where you go, and i never felted until i came to Texas thats why i said that, and is just my opinion, is not my idea to ofend anyone, just saying what i think, when you work in a place that people say, qoute " You wanna be my nigger today ", refering you wanna do my job, i kind a get to you, that they are really Racist. or God damn Yankee, this is some of the words they use. So now you know what i am talking about. But lets not argue no more i am Happy and my Family too, so Fu.. it.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
You should move to Houston, where Hispanics are now the majority! I am now an official member of a minority group (Houston Caucasian). Seriously, different ethnic groups will always give each other trouble, I think that is just human nature, but I feel like we are pretty well diversified and mutually respectful here. Y yo comprendo Espanol tambien! Verdad! Bienvenidos!

Speed-ER doc, your statement doesn't count because you like to make the moves on the hispanic women at the hospital.

Originally posted by babylou

You should work on your reading comprehension. First you missed that I said I am not anglo. Then you think I called you a racist. I never insinuated you were racist. I insinuated you were discriminatory by believing I was anglo and then assuming I must be a racist.

I never thought you thought I thought you insinuated I was racist. God, you really are a mental midget. You're not only dumb but you're also stupid.


[i]Why do you talk of affirmative action and Texas A&M legacy admissions to me? I never gave an opinion for or against either one of these. I simply mentioned that I attended Texas A&M and never experienced racism even though they are getting heat for the Legacy stuff. Once again, you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Why not?

When you advise someone to improve his reading comprehension skills, are you looking into the mirror? YOU are one pearl of a mountain oyster.


[i]I'm done with this one.

You were done a LONG time ago. Hilarious.

Shift_zoom8, you're a "God damn Yankee" aren't you? I can tell.
;)

To the Hungarians out there, do you know who Ignatz Semmelweis was?

Hint - He was a Hungarian who lived in Austria in the late 1800s, and was subject to racism there (keeping this on-topic).

His name SHOULD be well known to everyone around the world even today, but sadly is not known even to most of his modern-day colleagues.

He was looked down upon by the medical establishment in Vienna despite having a successsful teaching and research practice. When the idea for which he should be famous was (wrongly) discredited and disbelieved, he died in shame in an insane asylum.

He was the first physician to discover the principles of the germ theory, and the first to understand that diseases and death could be prevented by strict handwashing. When he tried to implement his theory (by making his physicians wash their hands after doing autopsies on women who had died after giving birth and before delivering babies from other women) he was run out of Austria in shame.

Before then, and even some 10 years or so after his death, the docs just wiped their hands on their previously white coats and kept on going.

Lister got the credit instead, because he actually discovered bacteria and saw them with a microscope. But Semmelweis knew they were there.

I love this story. One of the greatest Hungarians, and physicians, of all time!

If you look at the word "racism" in its true definition it is the belief in race. Given that, we are all guilty of "racism".

Now, whether we let our belief in race influence our opinions of others is another matter.

I live in Northern GA. I live near Gwinnett county, once cited as the fastest growing county in the nation. Who helped build that county? Folks of Latin decent who settled there, and put in an honest day's work.

I work with a "bunch of Israelis". (A term coined by themselves) When I first came to work with them, I thought they were odd and let my lack of understanding cause me to "dislike" them in sorts. Since I have come to understand their culture, and spent time in their country it is a different matter.

I think understanding someone of a different race / culture is key.

Chrisbert

Stop with the insults, guys.

that's all this so called "racism" BS is....a complete misunderstanding and a laziness on someone elses part to try to understand the differences in people.

I think this whole cry racism crap is gone far beyond it's realm of reality...

It's now used to get the upper hand in a situation without putting an honest effort in trying...

I though it was hilarious and at the same time completely IDIOTIC that when 9/11 happened all the Arabian-Americans thought they were being mistreated and cried racism....due to the intense measures taken to investigate the reasons into why this happened...

It would be the exact same thing if a "white", "black", "yellow", "red" , "green" what the hell color person did this instead, they would go through the same scrutiny because they are associated with the same "ethnicity" as those who commited the crime...who gives a $HIT...when you cry out racism you are putting yourself down...IMO....why not stand above this crap and realize there are dumb people out there that are ignorant and choose not to accept the differences in others...that's basically what we are fighting about here...DIFFERENCES....each culture has it's own way of doing things...and to some people, they cannot accept that it is different from the way they are used to doing something...let that be there problem, it shouldn't stop you from being YOU...

....and that's all i have to say about that....

this was not stated to BY ANY MEANS insult anyone...if I have I am truly sorry....

I for one am not a racist... I hate everyone equally!

No comments on Semmelweis? The guy single-handedly made a discovery that should have made him a household name forever, and he was ignored and ridiculed until he was driven insane and died!

I have made it a personal quest to educate people about this tragic story.

One hundred thirty years later, and we STILL don't wash our hands enough. Many if not most of the illnesses we suffer are preventable by this simple procedure.

Speed-ERdOC

Check your e-mail.

I'm white and I think Michael Jackson is innocent.

So maybe there's hope.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
No comments on Semmelweis? The guy single-handedly made a discovery that should have made him a household name forever, and he was ignored and ridiculed until he was driven insane and died!

I have made it a personal quest to educate people about this tragic story.

One hundred thirty years later, and we STILL don't wash our hands enough. Many if not most of the illnesses we suffer are preventable by this simple procedure.

I learned about him in a couple of psych courses. Are you happy now, Mr. Dr. Britney Spears?

Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by RonD-NM
I for one am not a racist... I hate everyone equally!

me too...i'm also an equal opportunity racist...cheers!

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Are you happy now, Mr. Dr. Britney Spears?

Now THAT would make me happy. But not my wife.

Dude, your wife is already pissed off at you. If it wasn't for the money....

Man, you may need to get into the swinging couple thing (if you're not already into that stuff).

Please tell me how it works.

First, you swing. Then, you get divorced. Or worse.

I don't think it works with American women. Maybe in Oz?

This is getting hot!!, ")

8_wannabe,

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Originally posted by Erik's8
May I just say: "Udvozlet Minneapolisbol!"
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For those who had trouble with it, I translated that to mean, "My regards to Minneaopolis!" How'd I do!?
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Thanks for the translation or at least your intent. I should have done it myself. However, it is not correct. the correct translation is: "Greetings from Minneapolis"

Speed-ER doc:
Yes, I know Mr. Semmelweis. That is an unfortunate story. However, what is a lot more unfortunate is that this man among others left Hungary because the Hungarian government and other authorities did not let him work on his research. A lot of Hungarians live or lived in foreign countries for the same reason. For example, Albert Szentgyorgyi (Vitamin C), Ede Teller (nuclear theory) and many others with Nobel prizes.

Eriks8

The most horrific unfortunate story was the fact that the Hungarian Goverment fully cooperated with the German Nazis in rounding up the entire JEWISH POPULATION of Hungarians which consisted of 400,000 JEWS and killing many of them straight away in the most horrific manner and transporting the rest to concentration camps .

Out of the 400,000 JEWS taken and murdered ONLY 100, 000 SURVIVED the HUNGARIAN HOLOCOUST.

Both sets of of my GRANDPARENTS were murdered by the Hungarians/ German nazis as well as most of my FAMILY.

So racism is not new to any jew , SADLY ITS ONCE AGAIN REARING ITS UGLY HEAD in most parts of the world, however jews know have ISRAEL with its great army and its VAST number of nuclear weapons .

We are no longer defenceless sheep who are going to be easily slaughtered .


Michael

You can also see it in another great American pastime our beloved beauty pagents. We have the Miss America pagent which is open to all colors and races (which by the way was won by a black woman this year) and then you have the Miss Black America pagent. All races and colors can compete in the Miss America Pagent which is the way it should be in a truly equal society. Watch the fur fly if a black or hispanic woman is denied entry due to her color. There will be the legal fight of the centry! But let a white or hispanic woman enter in the Miss Black America pagent. They will tell you that it is for woman of color only. This is clearly racist in its purist form. Just another form of reverse discrimination.

A few years back there were a few U.S. Army officers (captains) that were kicked out of the Army for being passed over for promotion to Major more than three times. They were involuntarily seperated by the Army ...why you ask... Affirmative Action that's why. They were passed over simply because they were white.

Lets say the Army wants to promote 6 Captains to Major and there are 10 Captains eligible for promotion then they will look at everybody's records. If all personel have the same amount of time in grade and service, have the same schooling, ect. lets say they are technicly equal in all respects then they will say well we have to promote three blacks and 2 hispanics. This means that four captains will be passed over untill the next board covenes.

Now these Captains (who are now civilians) sued the Department of defence and won, won big. It turns out that the officers that were passed over and subsequently seperated from the serviece were more qualified then the black and hispanic officers that were promoted over them. The officers were promoted over the three white captains simply because they were non white (two black and one hispanic officer). They had to under U.S. Code. But the court found that the army could not seperate the officers just because they were passed over for officers of a different race. It was something that they (the officers) had no control over. That was illegal and won reinstatment, back wages and unspecified damages.

Michael,

I know a lot less about the holocaust so I can not really contribute to what you said. But I agree, that is ptobably indeed the most horrific story of all. It just does not make any sense to kill peole for their origin or race. That is something unforgivable.

I only wanted to point out that smart and talented people were not supported in Hungary and have escaped to defferent parts of the world to try their fortune there.

In 1996, I developed a small calculator-like handheld device to performing distilling industry specific calculations. It would have essentially replaced a 500 page book that contained tables on every single page. The Hngarian Customs agency were really excited about it but some old fart turned the whole idea down saying that it is widely known that electronic devices are sensitive to moisture and temperature changes. SO it is not appropriate to be used in a distiller factory where moisture is present. Why, isn't paper sensitive to moisture? The book I used as the base of my design was unreadable on many pages...
So they are still stuck with the paperformat. Jsut because that gentleman can not appreciate technology.

And there is many more stories like this.

Erik

Originally posted by Rotary Nut
You can also see it in another great American pastime our beloved beauty pagents. We have the Miss America pagent which is open to all colors and races (which by the way was won by a black woman this year) and then you have the Miss Black America pagent. All races and colors can compete in the Miss America Pagent which is the way it should be in a truly equal society. Watch the fur fly if a black or hispanic woman is denied entry due to her color. There will be the legal fight of the centry! But let a white or hispanic woman enter in the Miss Black America pagent. They will tell you that it is for woman of color only. This is clearly racist in its purist form. Just another form of reverse discrimination.

i know exactly what you're saying and i agree with you 100% but you have to look at it this way...it's Miss America pageant NOT Miss White America pageant, then the reason why only black ppl are allowed to enter Miss Black America becomes clearer...America isn't only made up of whites, or should i say Anglo...so in essence Miss America should be open to all races that reside in America...

now, what happens if they had a Miss White America? of course black ppl would be the first to cry racism...didn't you know, it's only racist when a white man does it...

btw, i'm not white...but i feel it's unfair that white ppl are always blamed for racism when it happens more so, nowadays, coming from the minorities that feel that the white man owes them something...get real, get a job, and get a life - blame your misfortunes on yourself...

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Let me guess, a white dude from the South. Pathetic. Oh well, there goes another perfectly good stereotype...

edit: Darn! I just realized that I didn't give my support for you BRx8! What I meant was, you know... If you were a white dude from the South, what you just wrote would be pathetic... in the eyes of some self-righteous types in the higher platitudes of social awareness. ;) You go, guy!

Originally posted by BRx8
...so in essence Miss America should be open to all races that reside in America...

But that is my point, The Miss America pagent IS open to ALL races living in America you only have to be a citizen either naturalized or born here.

The Miss Black America pagent is not, It is only open to women of color! So technicaly Anglos can cry foul!

I personaly think we as a society, all need to get over this whole racist thing. I know feelings, like color run deep, real deep but I think we as a society need to stop and take a look at ourselves as a whole. It is the diversity of the races that makes this great country what it is today.

I know you can take it for what it is worth!

:D

Just tell your self everyday this is a great Day to start Living Happy...that always help for me..:)

Originally posted by Rotary Nut
But that is my point, The Miss America pagent IS open to ALL races living in America you only have to be a citizen either naturalized or born here.

The Miss Black America pagent is not, It is only open to women of color! So technicaly Anglos can cry foul!

I personaly think we as a society, all need to get over this whole racist thing. I know feelings, like color run deep, real deep but I think we as a society need to stop and take a look at ourselves as a whole. It is the diversity of the races that makes this great country what it is today.

I know you can take it for what it is worth!

:D

Technically, it's only open to women in the US, not America..but I see your point :)

"WHY ARE PEOPLE SO MEAN"

KAMMAL indian song writter /singer.

Originally posted by Rotary Nut
But that is my point, The Miss America pagent IS open to ALL races living in America you only have to be a citizen either naturalized or born here.

The Miss Black America pagent is not, It is only open to women of color! So technicaly Anglos can cry foul!

you're still missing my point...being "American" means simply being an American citizen, which is why Miss America is open to all US citizens of any race...being "Black American" means being black and being an American citizen...the only way a pageant can only accept Anglo Americans is if it were a Miss Anglo America or Miss White America pageant, in which we both agree that there would be serious repurcussions from the colored community...it's simply reverse racism...no way around it which really sucks, IMO, someone is ALWAYS going to call racism no matter what...

when Star Wars Episuck 1 : The Phantom Suckness first came out there were many complaints of racism that Jar Jar Binks was the portrayal a stereotypical black man (?!?)...go figure

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Movies/9906/09/jar.jar/

"There was something about his demeanor that suggested blackness and that suggested, more specifically, stereotypical blackness," says Michael Dyson, professor of African-American studies at Columbia University.