Who makes the best wax for show shine.....cost not an issue.

Don't even bother looking at other posts, I guess. Try Zaino (http://www.zainostore.com/)

I have tried Zaino and I do not think it is near the best....but thanks for all the help.....

Well, if you don't think it's near the best then you must have a pretty good idea of what the best is.
If you've found something better than Zaino, then use it as I and many others have tried a good number of products and found Zaino to give the best results, so you're obviously onto something special with the waxes you think are better.

zaino...nuff said

I waxed my 8 for the first time last week with meguiars gold class and it looked good but not GREAT

i have just done the same, except I did a dawn wash, clay bar, then applied Meguiars Gold Class (liquid), it's a polymer base just like ZAINO!, just yesterday used the detailing spray...looks just as good as the $85 Zaino kit, except i think all in all i paid around $20 for all the Meguiars stuff....

since it's been raining this weekend i'll wash with #2 Meguiars and reapply Detail Spray....

Been using Mother's California Gold Original Formula Paste. Lots of canoba wax (read "protection") and a nice shine, though that's less important to me than protection. Good exercise too!

I spent Sunday Afternoon going through the Zaino Drill, Wash, Clay Bar, Wash, Zaino #2, Zaino #6, Zaino #5, then Zaino #6! Alot of work but it is beautiful! I have not driven since due to rain and fog but I am duly impressed with the outcome. I will go for another Zaino #2 this weekend and that should cover it for awhile. Also if there is something better out there please share!

Try that $1300 can of wax that has been talked about in a few threads here. It should be the ticket for discriminating users like you :p

For the rest of us 8 owners, Zaino seems to be good enough :p

$1300.........right!!!!!!!!!
Kind regards,
Doug

BTW, remember that Zaino layers nicely, so if ya like the look and want it deeper and wetter, just keep putting it on until you get what you want.

Meguiars Gold Class. Latest technology in car wax at a quater of the price as Zaino.

Originally posted by Doug Green
I have tried Zaino and I do not think it is near the best....but thanks for all the help.....

So tell us what are the best you've seen?

I would say crystal guard for best shine. it's not a wax but a sealant with glass flourine. it's pricey but the shine you get on a black car is really nice. better than zaino shine imho. I can't say bout durability though or it's protection ability. P21s concour wax is the best wax i've used so far. $15 for the s100 (same wax just different name) at any local harley davidson store. Zaino does give a nice gloss but sometimes looks a bit plasticky on a dark colored car.

Originally posted by blivets
Been using Mother's California Gold Original Formula Paste. Lots of canoba wax (read "protection") and a nice shine, though that's less important to me than protection. Good exercise too!

I LOVE mothers products.

I use the carnuba paste wax (in the big tin) without cleaners. I only clay specific areas like the rockers an just behind the wheels. Its a very rich, quality wax.

Maybe I would consider Zaino if my car wasn't silver.

The word protection has been mentioned several times. Question comparing Zaino, carnuba, ect, does either one offer better 'physical' protection to help with the very small paint chips that the 8 is prone to?

Every road trip I take, I get a new one :(

Originally posted by Doug Green
I have tried Zaino and I do not think it is near the best....but thanks for all the help.....

OK, if Zaino is "near the best" then name something better. Zaino is the best I've ever used, but I am open to better products. Until I convinced otherwise, Zaino rules! And it's really not expensive, I can get 3 coats from 2 ounces, and I've read about one member that can get 2 coats from 1 ounce.

In 1935, the S.C. Johnson Wax Company sent an expedition to South America to survey for new Carnuba wax sources. They used an Sikorsky S-38 names the "Spirit of Carnuba". This replica was constructed for a recent re-enactment of that historic flight.

Carnauba is really pronounced (carnowba) contrary to popular belief not (carnewba).

Carnauba Wax is obtained from the leaves of a palm tree known as Copernica Cerifera, which is also referred to as the "Tree of Life". This slow-growing Carnauba palm flourishes in the northeastern regions of Brazil, reaching an average height of 25-35 feet. It proliferates along river banks, streams and damp lowlands.
The tree exudes a wax through the petioles of its fan-shaped leaves, preventing dehydration from the equatorial climate.
The cutting of the leaves and sprouts takes place during the dry months of September through February. Workers use knives on long poles to trim the leaves from mature trees. The cut leaves are sun-dried and mechanically thrashed to remove the crude wax. This crude wax, in its powder form, is transported from the countryside and sold to shippers for export.
With a maximum cutting of twenty leaves per year from a tree, the average yield of wax for each tree is about one kilo per cutting. The majority of tree harvesting takes place in the Brazilian States of Ceara and Piaui. The color and quality of the wax are governed by the age of the leaves and care used in processing of this hard, brittle,

CARNAUBA WAX
S & P
Number Melting Point
Open Cap. Tube USP Class II Flash Point
Minimum Acid
Value Saponification
Value Paraffinic
Hydrocarbons Volatile
Matter Insoluble
Impurities Color
8 82.5 Deg. C Min. 299 Deg. C 4-10 78-88 2% Max. Nil Nil Brown
63 83.0 Deg. C Min. 310 Deg. C 2-6 78-88 2% Max. Nil Nil Yellow
142 82.5 Deg. C Min. 299 Deg. C 4-10 78-88 2% Max. 1.00% 0.50% Brown
200 82.5 Deg. C Min. 299 Deg. C 4-10 78-88 2% Max. Nil Nil Tan
63 NF (National Formulary) 80-86 Deg. C Residue on Ignition 0.25% Max. 2-7 78-95 Heavy Metals
20ug Per G Max Nil Nil Yellow

Ok...what do I like!

Atlantique™
Atlantique Glaze is based on a custom formula developed for Ralph Lauren’s 1937 Bugatti Type 57SC Atlantique. As with many Zymöl prepared cars in other years, the Bugatti won "Best of Show" at the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance in 1990. The protective ingredients in Atlantique are clove, coconut, cinnamon bark and sunflower oils. Atlantique contains 60 percent Brazilian No. 1 White Carnauba by volume.

Contains White Carnauba Wax, Montan Oil, Cinnamon Bark Oil, Sunflower Oil, Banana Oil, Oil of Clove, Propolis (derived from Bees), Cetyl Esters, Cetyl Cocoamide (derived from coconut oil).


Kind regards,
Doug Green
Las Vegas

Doug......interesting

I'm also a die hard Natural Wax guy...

Gyro.....I love your covered bridge picture.......Vermont.....New Hampshire......Maine?

Thanks

Massachusettes.

!!!

Never tried Zanio, but have certianly heard great things about it. But for me, I use this:

CARNAUBA WAX...THE HIGHEST GRADE OF CARNAUBA WAX YOU CAN BUY
In the photo you'll see our Carnauba Wax resting on a nest of carnauba in its natural state (shown in chip form.) It's about as hard as a brick and needs petroleum distillates, mineral spirits, and other ingredients to make it soft enough to apply to your paint. You've seen other waxes advertised as "100% carnauba wax," but unless you are buying it in brick or chip form, it's just plain false advertising. Truth is, the maximum amount of carnauba that you can put in a paste wax is about 30%. We've put the maximum amount of the highest grade carnauba in Griot's Garage Carnauba Wax. You'll notice the ability to hide swirl marks and enhance paint color more than any other carnauba wax available. The high quality and content of our Carnauba Wax offers three to five months of protection. The pleasant scent enhances your waxing experience. Note, this is not a "cleaner wax." Use Paint Cleaning Clay or Fine Hand Polish before applying Carnauba Wax for correct surface cleaning.

Info here (http://www.griotsgarage.com/catalog.jsp?L1=L1_1000&L2=L2_1005&SKU=11154)

I have heard great things about products from Griots......I must try it.

Kind regards,
Doug

FYI......We have a member MeZoomZoom that owns perfection auto care here in Las Vegas.
They just detailed my new Range Rover (black) I have never seen better work in my life, the paint looks 3 feet deep. Anyone in Vegas that wants the best he is it.
He is going to do my RX-8 next, I can't wait.
The name of his company does indeed descibe his work...Perfection.

Kind regards,
Doug Green
Las Vegas

Looks really nice.......do you know what products he uses?

I know it must be a good Carnauba wax........send him a note. He might tell you his secret.
Member MeZoomZoom

Kind regards,
Doug

PS ...70 degrees here in Vegas today

Perfection Auto care and my RR

whats with the "70 degrees in vegas today"........was that supposed to be funny?

You do realize it was the coldest day since 1980 today in Massachusettes. It was -11 F when I got up this morning.....not pretty. My Blazer sounded like a mule when I started it.

BTW...I checked the posts from meZoomZoom. It looks like he likes Meguires products.......but I'll PM to check.

Hope you you dont get too uncomfortable if it goes under 65 tonight...:p

Thanks Gyro!!!!
If it gets below 65 on Saturday I might have to break out the coats.

DG

-25 C here so I feel you pain (and more)

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Zymol

I only use waxes on my cars as paint sealants do not allow the paint to breath. If the paint cannot breath then it will start to craze, crack and peel. Just like skin.

Another one of mine

Originally posted by Doug Green

Ok...what do I like!

Atlantique™
Atlantique Glaze is based on a custom formula developed for Ralph Lauren’s 1937 Bugatti Type 57SC Atlantique. As with many Zymöl prepared cars in other years, the Bugatti won "Best of Show" at the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance in 1990. The protective ingredients in Atlantique are clove, coconut, cinnamon bark and sunflower oils. Atlantique contains 60 percent Brazilian No. 1 White Carnauba by volume.

Kind regards,
Doug Green
Las Vegas

At over $700 for 8 ounces you might be better off with their Vintage(tm) wax. That's the $1300 one, but it is for 22 oz and is "refillable for life", though I can't find out what the conditions are on that. Surely you can't send it back every month...?

They both are about 60% white carnauba (you have to melt it in your hands before applying).

Sounds wickedly indulgent but my finances dictate the Japon(tm) wax.

Japon is great stuff also!!!!!

;

Originally posted by Doug Green
I know it must be a good Carnauba wax........send him a note. He might tell you his secret.
Member MeZoomZoom

Kind regards,
Doug

PS ...70 degrees here in Vegas today

Lighten up on the weather updates. We are freezing our tails off in the North East!!!

A question for Gyro. It's cold and my car is garaged. I have put several coats of Meg. Gold on. Does temp. make any difference with waxing? Doug, any comments? Thanks and stay warm!!!!!

Originally posted by Go4It
Lighten up on the weather updates. We are freezing our tails off in the North East!!!

A question for Gyro. It's cold and my car is garaged. I have put several coats of Meg. Gold on. Does temp. make any difference with waxing? Doug, any comments? Thanks and stay warm!!!!!

I assume by your question that your concerned with the coat of wax on the car being affected by cold. No worries....I have never seen properly applied wax adversly affected by temperature. No checking or cracking that I have ever noticed as a result of cold temps.

If you were wondering about temps for application.....well thats another story. I would make an effort to apply wax in a room temperature environment .....out of the sun of course. The wax will be hard when cold...and too soft when hot outside.

Its all about preping applying correctly. Once thats done.......dont worry about how cold it gets outside......the wax will do just fine.

Thanks...The garage is not heated. The application temp has been around 30 degrees. The car buffs out O.K. and looks good when it is in the sun. Just curious.....Keep me in mind for meets on your end when the spring finally gets here. Thanks again!!!

Boys, it was cold and cloudy here in Vegas today....I broke out the coats...it was 60 degrees burrrrrr

Kind regards,
DG

My 2 cents:
I use P21S and Blitz carnuaba waxes... Added bonus, the P21S will not leave any white residue on black plastic, etc. you may get it on.
Blitz may the longer lasting of the two - if your car stay outside, it may be the better choice.

Originally posted by Rotary Nut
Zymol

I only use waxes on my cars as paint sealants do not allow the paint to breath. If the paint cannot breath then it will start to craze, crack and peel. Just like skin.

WTF? You don't honestly believe that do you? Please tell me you are joking.
If not, that has to be one of the stupidest thigs I have ever heard!

It is paint, not a natural product that requires oils and moisturizer to stay pliable. Damn I have to go lotion up my car! lol.

The only time you're paint needs air is when its a brand new paint that needs to cure. That is why you don't apply sealant or waxes on a paint that hasn't been fully cured.

i've heard blitz and 3M wax are both good

Our member MeZoomZoom's company Perfection Auto here in Vegas did my RX-8 and my Ducati......wow what a job.
The paint has never looked so good.....
Perfection indeed.

Kind regards,
DG

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Where did you get that banner?

He can't answer you because he was banned for being a bad boy.
He is a pain and does not hold back. I know this guy (Douglas Green) he also has a place here in Aspen. He got the banner because he owned a Mazda dealer years ago and still knew the owners. I can also tell you that he is a old man that directed old t/v shows Hawaii five-o and the first few magnum PI's. http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-51990
He also has a winery in Africa http://www.fastmoving.co.za/detail.jsp?providerNo=2622
He also has written several books.
He is (was) a full on pain in the butt, but I know him and so does a lot of people in Las Vegas.
I am a new member but I have been a guest on this site for 5 or 6 months. (please don't ban me because I know him, other members know him too.)
I think Doug is just a old man with nothing better to do.

Malcom

I use Zymöl products also

Zaino

This is always debated on http://www.autopia.org/

Some good resources, even if they are commercial are:

http://www.autopia-carcare.com
http://www.properautocare.com

Just click to the products you're interested in and there should be a lot of how-to's and product suggestions.

As for my own $0.02, You can have the best wax in the world but it will not make your car shine unless you have prepared the surface properly. Until you at least run a polish over the surface of your car, the high end paste waxes will do worse than a good cleaner/wax liquid.

Personally I use P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion (~$12), and then stick about 4-6 coats of Pinnacle Souveran (~$65) on top. There are many products that are equal in effectiveness and shine, but--not many that are easier to use. (Which makes a big difference in time spent, E.G. Klasse SG is a PITA to remove.) Also there is a difference between the shine of a synthetic and carnauba wax.

I have Zaino, the most recent formula, and IMO it is not the best in looks. Any good carnauba wax can equal or surpass it. Zaino, like all synthetics is very shiny, but does not quite match that inch deep 3D look to the paint when you start layering. Particularly on dark colors. However I will say that it lasts about 3 times longer than Pinnacle Souveran and looks almost as good. ;) It also beads water like crazy, even more so than carnauba. Beading is impressive looking, but in reality it just makes water spots a problem, which then makes me go back to polishing them out all the time...

In the end, what makes a wax the best IMO is this:

- Shines and adds depth to all colors without significant yellowing or darkening
- Easy to use (applies easy, dries fast, buffs off in one wipe, doesn't streak/cloud and doesn't smell horrible)
- Lasts a long time (may or may not be important, but finding a few free days, several times a year just to dedicate to your car is tough)
- Sheets water away to prevent water spots
- Low in solvents that can damage paint over time
- High protection from environmental damage (acid rain, abrasion, UV, etc)

No wax currently exists at any price that can do all these with absolute #1 performance. Synthetics like Zaino can do most of them pretty well, (and are what I usually recomend) but are not the end all in presentation. Carnauba is generally agreed upon as the best in depth and shine (particularly on dark colors) but lacks in almost everything else, especially durability. (Hence the joke that it comes off as soon as you put it on)

So it's all a mater of what you can find as the best compromise.

*note: for show car level shine, many people will do a lot of preparation work with polish, glazes, etc, then apply a synthetic wax for shine, then add many, many layers of a carnauba on top of that for depth. Usually has even less durability since the carnauba starts eating though the synthetic coat...*

**I'm betting that the red RX-8 in that pic is finished with a carnauba, since the finish isn't as mirror sharp as a synthetic reflection usually is**

That is odd, I just made the above post on someone else's account? :eek:

Good work SpEeDxXxRaCeR.
This does help.

Wow that is weird, but not really weird throughout the forums world. On s2ki.com (s2000), this happens as well.

Since this is a big thread about wax, i'll shead some light as well from a S2000 owner's pont of view. To remember I think the rx8 is awesome car. I would love to have one, but I'm going to wait for the rx-7 that comes out, if they decide to produce it again.

Zaino!

I've tried almost every single wax out there and zaino does probably close to the best I can judge. The best is the application part it's simple and doesn't dry up into a white residue. The great part of zaino is the protection. I apply it 2x a year and use the other zaino products to keep it's shine all year long.

I look forward to scour and take part of threads on the rx-8 forum. I hope i have the same welcoming I had prior to purchasing my s2000 through the s2ki.com forums.

-Trung

Originally posted by SLiM8
The only time you're paint needs air is when its a brand new paint that needs to cure. That is why you don't apply sealant or waxes on a paint that hasn't been fully cured.

So how much time does a brand new car need typically to fully cure?

Weeks/Months???

Speed...
Good write-up!

This looks good on my Hummer


Vintage Glaze is based on a custom formula developed for the 1947 Bentley Mark VI Cabriolet by Franay, winner of several "Best of Shows" in its debut year on the Concours circuit. Among the protective ingredients in Vintage are evergreen, honeydew, coconut, cantaloupe and sunflower oils. Vintage contains 61 percent Brazilian No. 1 White Carnauba by volume, the highest in any product designed to protect automotive finishes. Note: This container is refillable for life at no charge.

Originally posted by Baller
This looks good on my Hummer


Vintage Glaze is based on a custom formula developed for the 1947 Bentley Mark VI Cabriolet by Franay, winner of several "Best of Shows" in its debut year on the Concours circuit. Among the protective ingredients in Vintage are evergreen, honeydew, coconut, cantaloupe and sunflower oils. Vintage contains 61 percent Brazilian No. 1 White Carnauba by volume, the highest in any product designed to protect automotive finishes. Note: This container is refillable for life at no charge.

What's the deal on the refill - how often can you send it back?

Swissol comes well recommended and does special wax for Japanese cars paint.

rael

Originally posted by Nubo
What's the deal on the refill - how often can you send it back?

Every 6 months...but its like $2000

Originally posted by Genom
BTW, remember that Zaino layers nicely, so if ya like the look and want it deeper and wetter, just keep putting it on until you get what you want.

I like it deeper and wetter too. Oh, and I love my Zaino - easily the best wax I've ever tried. Doug, you're just hard to please. And just for you, I like my Bose system too :D