Does anyone know where I can buy a previous full version of Dreamweaver (ie. Dreamweaver 4 or Dreamweaver MX)? My wife bought Dreamweaver MX 2004 at an unbeliveable price so she could develop a website for our church, but she did not realize until she got home that she purchased the upgrade version. All I need is a product key to a previous version, but if it comes with the software at a reasonable price, that is all the better. BTW, we are trying to do this the "legit" way, so please, no Kazaa replies!

Thanks in advance!

Try eBay, I bought the Macromedia MX suite for $100, brand new about a year ago.

why not the kazaa way>?

Well, we want to stay legit with this, especially since she is trying to develop this website for our church. It would look really bad going to our pastor with "Look at this beautiful website that we designed for our church to spread the ministry...specially developed with the software that we pirated illegallyfrom Kazaa!"

copying is not stealing-

goto barnes and noble and go buy a book on HTML and use notepad a cheap and great solution. Well unless u are making a huge site with server programming dreamweaver is a waste of money.

Actually dreamweaver is a tool and tools create redundant code. I do this for a living so I know how much waste dreamweaver creates. Why do you or your wife think you have the capability to run a website anyway>? if you just want one for your church why don't you use frontpage or the HTML way. OR have your church hire it out- have them (whoever you hire it out to, could be me>?)make control panels and set it up so you or your wife could maintain it on whatever server you set up, and there you go!! it is not like the church has no money to support this. Web developing is a profession- it would be like me a mechanical novice trying to put some ceramic apex seals in my renesis!!!!

Originally posted by cardinal35
Actually dreamweaver is a tool and tools create redundant code. I do this for a living so I know how much waste dreamweaver creates. Why do you or your wife think you have the capability to run a website anyway>? if you just want one for your church why don't you use frontpage or the HTML way. OR have your church hire it out- have them (whoever you hire it out to, could be me>?)make control panels and set it up so you or your wife could maintain it on whatever server you set up, and there you go!! it is not like the church has no money to support this. Web developing is a profession- it would be like me a mechanical novice trying to put some ceramic apex seals in my renesis!!!!

That is uncalled for and mean. He asked a legitimate question. As for the web developing being a profession- so what? Doesn't mean they can't learn something about it. They're creating a church website, not trying to make the new eBay. And your automotive reference- you don't need to be an auto tech to change the oil and wash your car. Which is pretty much the equivalent.

The easiest Web Tool to use if you don't do this as a profession and even if you do it professionally is NetObjects Fusion. Very simple in helping beginners start out and when you get more experienced with writing code you can switch the tabs in the creation screen so you can code rather than drag and drop.

Originally posted by Elara
That is uncalled for and mean. He asked a legitimate question. As for the web developing being a profession- so what? Doesn't mean they can't learn something about it. They're creating a church website, not trying to make the new eBay. And your automotive reference- you don't need to be an auto tech to change the oil and wash your car. Which is pretty much the equivalent.

elara i agree with you 100%

cardinal35 why do you clean your house? being a maid is a profession. comon lets think logically there is alot we do that we can pay others to do but why do we do it ourselves?

mystrx8 personally unless u plan on doing alot of websites Dreamweaver is an expensive solution for you

Lets not forget that maybe his wife is working at a church. That doesnt mean she isnt already very knowledgable in the software. The upgrade mistake isnt that uncommon, and she might just be able to school you in the software.

And BTW, copying software you didnt pay for? that IS stealing. If you use the software for work and make money off it, have the basic decency to pay for your license. And if anybody else is gonna try to convince me how piracy is OK, dont waste your time, cause I wont waste mine.

and what is your profession>? so the church should not have to pay for the water they use or the electricity>? and by the way dreamweaver has a code view as well.

Ok, ok, this is the wife chiming in..couldn't stand idly by and let us get beat up this way...

About me...

I have a B.S. in Computer Information Systems, with experience in COBOL programming (I know, ANCIENT, right?). After working in that field for a while, I got laid off, with no real marketable skills. So I switched to Help Desk. From there, I went to Desktop Support, Network Support, and dabbled a little in Printer repair. I am really getting tired of being at the bottom end of the totem pole as it relates to pay, so I thought I would focus my efforts on something new. Hence, my interest in web programming.

About my church...

My father and mother just started a new ministry, and we are currently having church services in their garage until God blesses us with a building. There are only a handful of us in membership right now, so there really is not a valid justification for "expensing out" web services (thanks for the shameless plug anyway, cardinal35), especially since there is someone "in house" who has the desire and wants to obtain the knowledge to do it for free. But, since I have this newfound interest, and I see my pastor's vision, and I love my parents, I figured, why not try my first project in web development and develop a website for my church?

About the website...

I started out trying to learn HTML, and it really doesn't look that hard. However, I was anxious to put something "quick and dirty", so to speak, out there to impress them, and I did not want my first site or our church's site to look "ordinary". My father (also my pastor) also eventually wants to put recorded sermons out on the web so others can listen if they happen to miss church service. That is why I did not want to start off with a basic site. I wanted something that looked great from the start, and, as I add to it, will only get better.

What I have developed so far actually was created using NetObjects Fusion. The site is here (http://www.cayaministries.org), for anybody that's interested. I liked the initial layout at first, but I was really having trouble with the form that I created. It looked OK on the website, but not really properly aligned to me, and it looked like CRAP the way I had to align it in NOF in order to get it to look decent on the site. I just recently decided to scrap the form altogether because making one slight change elsewhere and republishing the site caused the alignment to move on the form, and I do NOT want to fight with that again right now...

About Dreamweaver...

I had actually bought the Dreamweaver software before I got NOF. The NOF was given to me for free as part of my hosting package. At any rate, the Dreamweaver software was actually on the clearance rack of a PC outlet store that I frequent. I don't think they realized that it was the latest version, because they had it marked down to 75% off of the marked price (Sorry, they only had one copy!). The marked price was $199, so I walked away with it for $50. When I got home, I realized that it was the upgrade version. It worked perfectly fine for the install, but it wanted a serial number from a previous version to qualify for the upgrade. Hence, my (and my husband's) search for a previous version. I figured that I was frustrated with NOF, and I had already invested money into Dreamweaver, so why not use what I paid for?

I do thank all those that tried to help, and those that defended us and our quest for the Dreamweavers of old. Ultimately, I did find someone selling Dreamweaver 4 on ebay, and I got it for $22. Not bad for investing less than $75 to get a $400 software package, huh? Now, on to learning how to use it! ;-)

Dreamweaver is very good program... I am sharing it with my sister in law at present. It is a wonderful program as many were accuse me doing my website with FrontPage.

It is very versatile since I learn more and more about HTML, Javascript, Cascade Style Sheet and now DHTMLs. I have no trouble with it and people said my webpage is cooool. I bought the Dreamweaver for my wedding page and worth every penny of it.

Now flash is my new find and loving it!!!

Mrs. mystrx8 if want a book. Go for the Dreamweaver MX Bible. I use Flash one as well.

Just goes to show you should never assume anything about anyone :)

mystrx8; wow great deal. i usta teach a dreamweaver mx class last year when i was at college.. feel free to ask if u have any questions

Now the wife has her own account!

I am now ale896, so I will stop lurking under hubby's account. Again, thanks to all that helped, and Shocka, I might be taking you up on that offer. I do want to get a feel for the software first though, so I won't be asking the "you can find it in the Help section under Getting Started" type of questions. If you still have any "soft copies" learning materials, I would love to see them!

(as nice as I can say this) dreamweaver writes dirty code no matter what the rest of you think- you simply think this because you don't know any better. but that is ok:) but if you want to learn this as a profession- start from the ground up.

Dirty codes.... :p

I agree. There is no program to give you your style writing codes. For one, I don't like them writing centering pictures with <div align="centre"><img src="your pic"></div> I prefer to align inside the <img> code ... coz I use <div> for other things like overflow scrolls and stuff.

Anyway, you have to know what they write and correct them. Generally they are pretty good. They allow both code and display in one screen and i think it is very useful.

Takahashi