www.need-desire.com

Hmm... could be interesting, although I'm not keen on the front-end styling. It'll be interesting to see what it's like, although it would have to work very hard to knock the RX-8 off the top of my list, even though it's faster in a straight line.

I had a turbo charged Legacy back inthe early 90's. I always thought of it as a foul weather sports car. Glad to see they've added a little more performacne. Love the all wheel drive!

Originally posted by WHealy
I had a turbo charged Legacy back inthe early 90's. I always thought of it as a foul weather sports car. Glad to see they've added a little more performacne. Love the all wheel drive!

Realy?

I have been trying to buy one of those for months.

They are very hard to find.

Right before I got my 8 I did and all out search of one and low and behold I found a woman in my office park that had one..

But, alas I had already purchased my 8 and used the big wad of cash I had on the 8.

I would still love to have an old turbo Legacy.

But, I look forward to getting a new one.

9-K Rever

The new Legacy = The reason I have put of buying the RX-8

I'll probably end up with the 8, but I wanted to check out the Legacy before making a final decision. It looks like a great ride!

Nate

Any idea when they will be in dealerships? Price?

check this thread on the nasioc forum for the latesst news and info:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=476679&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

Nate

DATS GOOD STUUUUUUFF!!!

For sure...I thought you'd like it 9-K:D

nate

Originally posted by shugaluv34
For sure...I thought you'd like it 9-K:D

nate


I love the Legacy. When I was in Japan last year I went to a Subaru dealer and I have the actual brochures to the B-4 and the STI Legacy.

I pretended like I was going to buy one, and found out there were only 40 STi Legacy's left unsold on in all of Japan...

But, they are probably all sold now.

9-K Rever

If you want I can scan some of it and post it on the forum.

9-K ~

I'd love to see any of what you came across in Japan. If you don't mind posting, that would be great. Also, did you get a chance to test drive? If so, I'd love to hear your impressions. While the B4 is money, that STI Legacy must be truly awesome! I am quite fired up about the USDM Legacy, but can't wait for the STI to reach our shores.

Nate

Originally posted by shugaluv34
9-K ~

I'd love to see any of what you came across in Japan. If you don't mind posting, that would be great. Also, did you get a chance to test drive? If so, I'd love to hear your impressions. While the B4 is money, that STI Legacy must be truly awesome! I am quite fired up about the USDM Legacy, but can't wait for the STI to reach our shores.

Nate

I will scan some tonite after my RX8 meeting.

I drove a B-4 I think it was a 2000 or 2001 in Japan. The B-4 has three personalities, NA mode, single turbo then twin turbo. The lag from single turbo to twin is HUGE. People call it the valley of death. Thats why they moved to a twin scroll. I have been to japan about 4 times, and I have collected alot of stuff. I have a R34 GTR dealer brochure, STI Legacy, Legacy B-4, Lancer Evo 7 and some more stuff. I always wanted the dealer stuff to show I went and go them. Any body can just get a magazine about them. Not every one can get the info straight from the dealer.

I will post some scans tonite.

9-K Rever

Sweet, 9-K. Looking forward to the scans. That is very cool that you have been to Japan so frequently. What brought about those trips? I'd love to visit there someday.

Nate

Okay, I have been scanning for like the past 30 mins..

First we will start with a JAPANESE PRICE LIST FOR THE STI LEGACY.

Now the cover of the brochure.

Woops goofed..here we go..

Inside of the brochure

inside

Here is a scan of the Blitzen Legacy

BLITZEN

Last one

Very cool, thanks man.

MONEY! Much thanks, 9-K. You da man! That STI Legacy is killer. I didn't do too well with the price sheet, but then again...I don't read kanji:D Anyway, thanks again.

Nate

The homosexual sports enthusiast segment should be very excited.

I bet the trunk will have plenty of room for basketballs, softball equipment, and tennis rackets.

I like the seats. Look comfy with good side support. Shifter is kind of Jetsons though.

The dash is already 15 years out of date.

Yes, I agree, "Jetsons" is exactly what popped up in my mind as well. Basically, it's too "Jetsons."

That's the old Legacy interior, the new one has a very nice and modern interior.

Ahh, who cares about the interior, right? That's like peanuts.

The targeted buyer is going to be looking for room for basketballs, softball equipment, and tennis rackets.

IkeWRX, if you're in the wine industry, how come you live in Milwaukee?

People in WI drink wine as well as beer, shocking, I know :O

Yep, I'm sure it goes pretty fast - who cares - it's ugly. I think the WRX and EVO are ugly too. If these cars had 140 hp, no one (except cheapskates) would buy one. It appears the new method for selling a mediocre looking car is to make it fast by turbo or supercharging it so people will buy them.

Sorry, but it's my opinion and the same applies to the Neon SRT, the Grand Prix GTP, the PT Turbo and other turds.

Say what you want, but yoy have to give Toyota, Honda and Mazda credit for the Celica, S2000 (and Acura RSX), the Miata and RX-8. THey may not be the fastest cars on the road, but they have fine styling, N/A engines and will always get a turn of the head and look of appreciation by young and old alike.

Can you imagine being a professional ADULT being seen driving a WRX STi or an EVO? It's unacceptable.

I had previously thought Ike is around 22 or 23. Just found out he's actually 29, driving a WRX Sti. LOL. Pretty funny.

I'd have to take the wing off. I kind of like the front end and the scoop of the WRX STi and of this Legacy STi, which look similar to me.

The wing of the WRX is too punk, but the Legacy wing looks more reserved.

I would take off the entire Subaru body and install the RX8 body.

There may be only 1 human being in here with that kind of expertise: Noahprtlnd.

Oh no, more fugly post hahaha. These cars sux because they look soooo ugly.

Originally posted by shugaluv34
MONEY! Much thanks, 9-K. You da man! That STI Legacy is killer. I didn't do too well with the price sheet, but then again...I don't read kanji:D Anyway, thanks again.

Nate

No problem, I am traveling so I have been missing out on whats going on with this thread.

9-K Rever

I speak and read Japanese. I will translate what I can if you want. But, my Kanji of course is not the best. But, not shabby either. I went to colledge in Japan.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
I like the seats. Look comfy with good side support. Shifter is kind of Jetsons though.


That is the same shifter from the STI WRX.

With a six speed tranny..

Originally posted by 6speed8
Yep, I'm sure it goes pretty fast - who cares - it's ugly. I think the WRX and EVO are ugly too. If these cars had 140 hp, no one (except cheapskates) would buy one. It appears the new method for selling a mediocre looking car is to make it fast by turbo or supercharging it so people will buy them.

Sorry, but it's my opinion and the same applies to the Neon SRT, the Grand Prix GTP, the PT Turbo and other turds.

Say what you want, but yoy have to give Toyota, Honda and Mazda credit for the Celica, S2000 (and Acura RSX), the Miata and RX-8. THey may not be the fastest cars on the road, but they have fine styling, N/A engines and will always get a turn of the head and look of appreciation by young and old alike.

Yeah, but we are talking about a Legacy here not a WRX or EVO. The styleing is much diffrent. No wings or huge fog lights. and the hood scoop is much more refined.

The body style has been overhauled for the new model now, alot of people are worried its too subtle..and not agressive enough.

Originally posted by 9-K Rever
Yeah, but we are talking about a Legacy here not a WRX or EVO. The styleing is much diffrent. No wings or huge fog lights. and the hood scoop is much more refined.

The body style has been overhauled for the new model now, alot of people are worried its too subtle..and not agressive enough.
I agree. The new Legacy is pobably the best looking subaru ever made and is one of the nicestest looking car out there, period.

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Can you imagine being a professional ADULT being seen driving a WRX STi or an EVO? It's unacceptable.

I had previously thought Ike is around 22 or 23. Just found out he's actually 29, driving a WRX Sti. LOL. Pretty funny.

So what? Alot of working proffesionals have these types of cars. I don't think it has anything to do with age but more personal prefrence.

At 22 I bought a 2001 Subaru Legacy GT 2.5 liter.

I could have bought a IMPREZZA or a CIVIC but that just not me.

At 25 I bough a 33k 2004 RX8. I could have bought a ton of other cars for that money, but I didn't cuz they just don't fit my personal prefrence.

Its all a matter off prefrence.

9-K Rever

Originally posted by cueball
I agree. The new Legacy is pobably the best looking subaru ever made and is one of the nicestest looking car out there, period.

That's a pretty funny comment.

looks good

Originally posted by 9-K Rever
So what? Alot of working proffesionals have these types of cars. I don't think it has anything to do with age but more personal prefrence.

I haven't seen any in my parking lot......
Maybe at the local "strip club" or the "tune shop" or the movie theater.

There's such a thing as street cred, and such a thing as business cred. We all have to make sacrifices.

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
That's a pretty funny comment.
Just so you know, I am talking about the new Legacy.

I am not saying that it is as good looking as the RX8, E39 5 series,etc. I am just commenting that the new legacy is very nice looking. And I do think it is the best looking Subaru out there.

Came across some interesting dialogue on the nasioc forum on a thread about the new Legacy. The following is one post by a member of the forum curious about the RX-8 as it may compare to the new Legacy, and a response to that post by a member who has apparently driven both vehicles. I cut and paste the text for convenience, but you can check out the original source text on the site by clicking on this link:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=476679&perpage=25&pagenumber=20


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2002 WRX Wagon
Platinum Silver Metallic Originally posted by gargleblaster

I just spent some time re-reading some of the Legacy material on apexjapan, and I have a question for Paul.

I was thinking tonight about all of this week's events regarding the Legacy and the USDM power rating (or perceived lack thereof), and I thought about all of the articles I've read over the past year about the RX-8. Generally, every review/article on the RX-8 comes to the same conclusion, which is along the lines of "in spite of the low power numbers on paper, the extreme balance and contol the car offers makes it an extremely satisfying vehicle for those looking for a pure driving experience." I had a look at your counterpoint to Anthony Winston's review of the RX-8 S, and you made a statement along the same lines.

Not that I think the RX-8 and Legacy really should be compared to each other directly (or could they?), but I would be interested to get your thoughts as to whether the Legacy offers an experience in the same league as the RX-8. I really am asking this only because the acclaim for the Mazda is almost entirely universal -- so this would seem to be a good benchmark for use.
If there is another vehichle that you think would better serve as a point of comparison, please share those thoughts.

Cheers...

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Member#: 5489
Registered: Apr 2001

Location:
Edogawa-ku, Tokyo, Japan

2002 Legacy B4 RSK
Nordic Blue Originally posted by shirokuma

Well, there is a reason the Legacy won car of the year in Japan last year. And it did so against some incredible odds. Lets just say that the little people (professional race drivers) made their opinion count for once.

Purely as a driving experience, with all other considerations tossed to the side, the Legacy and the RX8 would likely total up the same, but with wins in different areas. The RX8 is a better balanced vehicle and a better handler. The Legacy is brutally quick in comparison, completely unflappable, and flatters the driver more.

When I first drove the RX8, I believe all I had to compare it to was my generation B4. At that point I was quite willing to label the RX8 a superior car for a driver, just a bit more fun all around.

Then we finally got in the new Legacies at Fuji Speedway, and my opinion swung completely over to the Legacy. And I want to emphasize here that even the 186hp 2.0-litre NA Legacy was part of that. The Legacy was quicker all around, it was just as fun if not more, the interior quality was better, etc. etc. Still today I clearly can remember the balance of the RX8, but in every other area, the Legacy is as good or better.

One thing I can predict with certainty is that the USDM Legacy will not feel underpowered, unless your daily driver before it was a USDM STi or Corvette. And I might actually enjoy the rubber that it comes with, because it may make it very tossable, and I'm absolute hoon, you know. :D

Cheers,

Paul Hansen
www.apexjapan.com

Originally posted by 9-K Rever
So what? Alot of working proffesionals have these types of cars. I don't think it has anything to do with age but more personal prefrence.

At 22 I bought a 2001 Subaru Legacy GT 2.5 liter.

I could have bought a IMPREZZA or a CIVIC but that just not me.

At 25 I bough a 33k 2004 RX8. I could have bought a ton of other cars for that money, but I didn't cuz they just don't fit my personal preffrence.

Its all a matter off preffrence.

9-K Rever

Some things are a matter of preference. Other things are a matter of spelling.

Like Speed-ER doc, I don't see too many professionals driving the WRX STi, unless you're talking about professional junior college students.

Too bad the new Legacy's center instrument console looks terrible.

9-K Rever, why are you so adamant about liking the Legacy? Are you a female basketball, softball, or tennis player?

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Some things are a matter of preference. Other things are a matter of spelling.

Like Speed-ER doc, I don't see too many professionals driving the WRX STi, unless you're talking about professional junior college students.

Too bad the new Legacy's center instrument console looks terrible.

9-K Rever, why are you so adamant about liking the Legacy? Are you a female basketball, softball, or tennis player?


Some people aren't as insecure about what car they are seen in as you obviously are. Yes, I have seen people driving cars like Evos, STi, Camaros, etc at my professional, white collar, fortune 500 company. And yes, some of them are actually management level.

And implying people are lesbian for liking a Subaru is so immature.

Yes, very immature.

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Some things are a matter of preference. Other things are a matter of spelling.

Like Speed-ER doc, I don't see too many professionals driving the WRX STi, unless you're talking about professional junior college students.

Too bad the new Legacy's center instrument console looks terrible.

9-K Rever, why are you so adamant about liking the Legacy? Are you a female basketball, softball, or tennis player?

And why are you so adament about not liking the legacy? Whats your beef with subaru?

Originally posted by nk_Rx8
Some people aren't as insecure about what car they are seen in as you obviously are. Yes, I have seen people driving cars like Evos, STi, Camaros, etc at my professional, white collar, fortune 500 company. And yes, some of them are actually management level.

Ya ya, every company needs someone to go get coffee or clean up. And your company may manufacture skateboards or something. That is fine. Plus there's managers at Kroger and managers OF Kroger.

In a competitive business world, every edge counts. If advertising yourself happens to be even a factor in attracting business, then the choice of a car may indicate to your customers AND BOSSES your maturity and intelligence (and even sexuality in some cases hehehe).

Successful professionals know this, and usually choose wisely.

Originally posted by shugaluv34
Came across some interesting dialogue on the nasioc forum on a thread about the new Legacy. The following is one post by a member of the forum curious about the RX-8 as it may compare to the new Legacy, and a response to that post by a member who has apparently driven both vehicles. I cut and paste the text for convenience, but you can check out the original source text on the site by clicking on this link:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=476679&perpage=25&pagenumber=20


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Scooby Newbie

Member#: 11107
Registered: Oct 2001

Location:
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Member#: 5489
Registered: Apr 2001

Location:
Edogawa-ku, Tokyo, Japan

2002 Legacy B4 RSK
Nordic Blue




I agree. I love APEX Japan's reviews. It takes those guys forever to update, but when they do they give the good info.

9-K Rever

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Some things are a matter of preference. Other things are a matter of spelling.

Like Speed-ER doc, I don't see too many professionals driving the WRX STi, unless you're talking about professional junior college students.

Too bad the new Legacy's center instrument console looks terrible.

9-K Rever, why are you so adamant about liking the Legacy? Are you a female basketball, softball, or tennis player?

You can like it or dislike it. It makes no diffrence.

As I have said before I go back and forth to Japan often. In the Japanese market the Legacy is a serious competitor with twin turbos and 280bhp. Not like the USDM version. I have been waiting for the Legacy here to get some balls and it finaly will.

9-K Rever

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
Ya ya, every company needs someone to go get coffee or clean up. And your company may manufacture skateboards or something. That is fine. Plus there's managers at Kroger and managers OF Kroger.

In a competitive business world, every edge counts. If advertising yourself happens to be even a factor in attracting business, then the choice of a car may indicate to your customers AND BOSSES your maturity and intelligence (and even sexuality in some cases hehehe).

Successful professionals know this, and usually choose wisely.

You're an idiot. I'll give you a hint. We are consistently in the top10 for revenue in Crane's largest publicly owned companies in Chicago. There are a lot of the German car driving manager, but I have been shocked by some of the cars people have driven.

Face it, you are insecure. And here's a clue, many of people who you seem to strive so hard to impress don't really give a crap about the RX8 either. They just think that you couldn't afford an M3 or some other German sports car. Being seen in a Legacy is just like being seen in an Accord that, yes, many people including upper level managers drive. I know because I see them in the reserved spots. So it's a good thing that not everyone is still living with a 'highschool attitude' like you are and only buys what they think others want to see.

Plus, did you ever think that maybe some fo these guys actually race their cars or owns more than one car, and maybe uses a fun car as a commuter car? I know for a fact that one director at my company just got his SCCA competition license last year and does track his car. And I'll bet you he does a little more and makes a little more than the guy that gets coffee. And it's not everyone is in sales or is a realtor where you'll be driving a client around. It is a car that gets them to work! Sheesh.

I'm not insecure, and I can afford to drive almost any car I want. The new Legacy looks like a reasonable car from the outside anyway, compared to the other alternatives mentioned above, with the limitations of interior design. Performance looks good.

I stand by my points regarding perceptions however. If you don't care about others' perceptions of you, you will never advance to the higher echelons of any business. Facial piercings and tats are examples. Teen-racer ricer cars are another.

Now go get me some coffee flunky, and clean up this mess.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
Now go get me some coffee flunky, and clean up this mess.


Resorting to insults just like you had to in the other post just tells me that you have nothing else to add and that I hit something sensitive. You really do need the approval of those around you as to what you drive. You just wrote a couple posts pretty much about how you wouldn't drive certain cars because you're afraid of what people in the business world would think of you. If it quacks like a duck...

If I owned an STi/Evo I would drive it to work. Everyone already knows that I participate in lapping/track events now and then and noone would be surprised nor would it change their impressions of me or my work. It's actually been a good conversation topic at times. I probably wouldn't pick up a client in the STi/Evo, mainly because we send limos for that, but also because I would be concerned about their comfort. Those cars are not associated with comfort, but then again neither is the RX8. I have another car for luxury and comfort. But I would still feel fine driving an Evo/STi or actually any car to work.

Not everyone who is in a corporate job is just into golf or the other typical hobbies. The more people I meet, the more I am surprised by the variety of hobbies.

Originally posted by nk_Rx8
If it quacks like a duck...

I probably wouldn't pick up a client in the STi/Evo, mainly because we send limos for that, but also because I would be concerned about their comfort.

You said you're not insecure but then you wouldn't pick up a client in a WRX Sti or Evo? Why are you insecure about the lack of ride comfort?

If it quacks like a duck...

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
I'm not insecure, and I can afford to drive almost any car I want. The new Legacy looks like a reasonable car from the outside anyway, compared to the other alternatives mentioned above, with the limitations of interior design. Performance looks good.

I stand by my points regarding perceptions however. If you don't care about others' perceptions of you, you will never advance to the higher echelons of any business. Facial piercings and tats are examples. Teen-racer ricer cars are another.

Now go get me some coffee flunky, and clean up this mess.

You should buy a Mercedes shouldn't you? Why you got a RX8 I am curious. RX8 is not exactly a status symbol.

Hanzo don't stoop to their level.

I like the SLR McLaren......:)

I like sports cars with luxury features, I love the rotary, and I fell in love with it when I drove the 8. I think for the money it is the best driving car with the best feel/features and especially fun factor.

I don't want to spend extra money for the badge of a Mercedes or BMW, although they do make nice cars. Mercedes reliability is a lliability, and the BMW dealer was kind of rude and condescending.

I WILL spend the extra money for a Lexus, my wife drives a new GX470, but that is a great car, and fits our needs. Lexus reliability is the best, and everything about Lexus is quality. I almost got the SC430 because I love the convertible, but back seat room was inadequate.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
I like the SLR McLaren......:)

I like sports cars with luxury features, I love the rotary, and I fell in love with it when I drove the 8. I think for the money it is the best driving car with the best feel/features and especially fun factor.

I don't want to spend extra money for the badge of a Mercedes or BMW, although they do make nice cars. Mercedes reliability is a lliability, and the BMW dealer was kind of rude and condescending.

I WILL spend the extra money for a Lexus, my wife drives a new GX470, but that is a great car, and fits our needs. Lexus reliability is the best, and everything about Lexus is quality. I almost got the SC430 because I love the convertible, but back seat room was inadequate.

Noh, SLR Mclaren is a shame, the old Mclaren F1 is still the best Mclaren road car. I can't believe its a front engine car.

Lexus has nice interior and Toyota reliability but it is still a Toyota. I think you should go Euro like an Audi S8 or S6 Avant. Japanese cars are not up the par to Euro if you want the status symbol, which seams to be your major concern.

Originally posted by Hanzo
Noh, SLR Mclaren is a shame, the old Mclaren F1 is still the best Mclaren road car. I can't believe its a front engine car.

Lexus has nice interior and Toyota reliability but it is still a Toyota. I think you should go Euro like an Audi S8 or S6 Avant. Japanese cars are not up the par to Euro if you want the status symbol, which seams to be your major concern.

Amazing, I disagree with almost everything you just wrote!

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
You said you're not insecure but then you wouldn't pick up a client in a WRX Sti or Evo?

Although I don't know if I would pick up a client in an Evo/Sti since comfort is an issue (but good thing we use limos for that). But the funny thing is that regardless of picking up clients, he is even insecure which car to drive to work and leave in the parking lot. I don't even know what most of the employees drive to work, nor do I care. And I'm pretty sure that's how most of my colleagues feel. You can look along the reserved spots at work and see nicer sedans, along with some mundane non-luxury car and minivans. It seems not everyone is embarrassed to drive to work in whatever they feel like. There's sometimes a Harley too. That probably wouldn't be 'professional' enough for him either.

He's one of those guys that label someone as imcompetent because of the car he saw them leave in the lot. Which means he is too quick to judge and make decisions without seeing the whole picture. I would never hire someone like that.

We've really got the "flamers" steaming now!

Obviously English is not your first language, because you are having trouble both reading/understanding my posts as well as expressing your own opinions logically. You should go back and read more carefully.

My biases and attitudes about your piercings, tattoos, sexual preferences, clothing, hairstyle, and yes, automobile choices mean nothing. If you want to continue to be a go-fer, do as you wish.

If you are so good at something that you are irreplaceable, then you can also do as you wish, and your idiosyncracies may be overlooked. You do not strike me as that sort.

On the internet, we are by definition a more liberal bunch than society as a whole, particularly elderly society (over 50). Often these old conservatives are the people who make hiring and firing and promotion decisions. Their attitudes, not mine, are who may determine who moves up. They are the ones who will be judging you, not me. They will notice things about you, believe me, and they will use these subtle cues to decide your fate.

You are the one who keeps saying you need a German car to look successful, not me. All I am saying is you don't want your car to take anything AWAY from your facade of competence. You don't need a car to improve your status (I hope) but you just don't want it to take any away.

Get it? Probably not. We'll see where you are in a few years.....I did try to help. Why I don't know, I must enjoy the abuse.

Hanzo und Gretel and nUkE_RX8,

You two are a little dumbed down, aren't you?

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Hanzo und Gretel and nUkE_RX8,

You two are a little dumbed down, aren't you?

Noh, just didn't feel like discussing anymore, kinda boring. Have fun fighting for nothing.

I'm not a flamer and I'm not steamed at all. I just think that you think your view is the same all across the board and I'm don't think so.
First, you don't think I'm going to get hired...hmmm...how do you know that I am not the one doing the hiring? Let's just say that every employee sits in a cubicle. I am in a nice office and who's that across the hall from me? Oh yeah...the letters after his name are V.P. I guess I'm not doing too bad for someone who doesn't drive a 7 series.

I understand the conservative attitudes and impressions. But I am saying that commuting to work is not the same as say picking meeting important contacts for the first time. Some of you wouldn't be caught dead commuting in them. No, I wouldn't meet the head of my division in an Evo, but I don't think I would show up in an RX8 either. If you bought the RX8 because you thought you were so much more high and mighty than another car, then boy are you wrong.

I don't understand the notion that one can't drive to work in what they own. Is even a minivan not good enough for you either? It's not exactly a professional executive car. Well, there's a Caravan parked right outside the doors in the 'nice' parking spots. Dang...he would probably be CEO now except for that minivan he got stuck with right?

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
We've really got the "flamers" steaming now!

Obviously English is not your first language, because you are having trouble both reading/understanding my posts as well as expressing your own opinions logically. You should go back and read more carefully.

My biases and attitudes about your piercings, tattoos, sexual preferences, clothing, hairstyle, and yes, automobile choices mean nothing. If you want to continue to be a go-fer, do as you wish.

If you are so good at something that you are irreplaceable, then you can also do as you wish, and your idiosyncracies may be overlooked. You do not strike me as that sort.

On the internet, we are by definition a more liberal bunch than society as a whole, particularly elderly society (over 50). Often these old conservatives are the people who make hiring and firing and promotion decisions. Their attitudes, not mine, are who may determine who moves up. They are the ones who will be judging you, not me. They will notice things about you, believe me, and they will use these subtle cues to decide your fate.

You are the one who keeps saying you need a German car to look successful, not me. All I am saying is you don't want your car to take anything AWAY from your facade of competence. You don't need a car to improve your status (I hope) but you just don't want it to take any away.

Get it? Probably not. We'll see where you are in a few years.....I did try to help. Why I don't know, I must enjoy the abuse.

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Hanzo und Gretel and nUkE_RX8,

You two are a little dumbed down, aren't you?

Sorry I actually have a real job and didn't get to check the board till now.

You guys are so funny if you think an RX8 is considered so much 'higher' than other cars. Reality check. It's still just a car. People who own some other cars cars will still look down on it just as you do with other cars. I have no misconceptions on the RX8 like some of you. Just like Boxster guys think the S2000 is japanese crap, while the 911 guys think the Boxster is a cheap pretender.

And ER doc,

I'm assuming you're a doc from your sig. If you think the RX8 is so much more professional, then you must not think too badly of the S2000 either right? They are very comparable cars in 'status'. There was a post a while back on the S2000 forums posted by another physician. He was annoyed that all his Z3 and Boxster owning colleagues would hassle him about his car and the 'lower' image it presented and how he should have bought German. They don't even see the car, since it's in the lot, but he made the mistake of telling them about his new car. That is lunacy and is exactly your attitude. I don't watch what people are parking in and I don't really care. They'd better be professional on the job and be competent at their job, but that's it. I don't care if your house is not as big as the next guys, nor if you spent as much on your car.

I'll try to talk slow, using Hulk language so you might understand.........

Bland good.....
minivan good.......
boring good.......
wingy bad.......

btw, being across the hall from a vp is REALLY impressive. I guess my impressions of you were all wrong. Is that so you can get his coffee that much quicker?

oh, your last 2 posts make me want to add... TROLL BAD! HULK SMASH!

Simmer down everyone.

If the flaming continues I am going to have to close this thread.

Either talk about the Legacy or don't say anything.

The Legacy would be ok because it falls under the bland/boring category.

Hey all you WRX Sti/Evo aficionados, Speed-ER doc never said anything about status.

We're talking about gaudiness. Accord fine. Boxster fine. 911 fine (subdued showiness with a tradition among exexutives). G35 fine. RX8 fine as long as it's stock but getting closer to the edge. 350Z possibly fine but awfully close to if not past the limit line. WRX Sti/Evo definitely past the line of acceptability, unless you are higher management level with a baseball cap ok dress culture.

This thread is still off tangent? I guess I need to unsubscribe it.

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Hanzo, I can infer that the boy in the pic is YOU. Good luck in the Olympics. And remember, among retards, you just may be a genius.

Congrats shift_zoom8, you just got this thread closed.