During my holiday travels I passed through some small town off the highway in the high desert in California. It was late, maybe 1am or so and I was punching in "find nearest motel" on the navigation unit at a red light. Right about then someone pulls up next to me and revs his engine a few times, obviously looking to throw down. It's a generic box of some sort, but I gather from the biggie-sized wing on the back that its a Wrxsti or Evo. So I give the engine a little gas and close the moonroof.

Sure enough, the light goes green and the guy floors it, rocketing off like a bat out of hell. I on the other hand, let the clutch out gradually and casually shift up to second, then third. I do about 35mph in about 5 seconds, punch the cruise control back on, and wave to the cop that was sitting at the next cross street the entire time as he lit up his chrismas tree.

SGC

Sweet justice! Ike foiled again! :D

Sorry, Ike-teasing seems to be a trend here, I actually find the posts informative and entertaining. No offense.

ROTFLMAO! A true Kodak moment. What I would have paid to see the look on that guys face!... lol

rofl- I had an STI do the same to me yesterday, only there was no cop around :(. I don't get it- are they just insulted by the 8 or something? Why so desperate to prove what their car can do? I know it's faster than mine, and so will anyone who matters. So why be an ass about it (them, I mean)?

Maybe that's the only thing they like about their car... it's redlight racing ability. I guess that could drive a person into this kind of fanatical behavior.

Originally posted by Racer X-8
Maybe that's the only thing they like about their car... it's redlight racing ability. I guess that could drive a person into this kind of fanatical behavior.

Besides, endangering lives needlessly is fun!! of course we have the wrong car for that as the RX8's hood is supposed to be safe(er) to mow down pedestrians with.

Originally posted by Elara
rofl- I had an STI do the same to me yesterday, only there was no cop around :(. I don't get it- are they just insulted by the 8 or something? Why so desperate to prove what their car can do? I know it's faster than mine, and so will anyone who matters. So why be an ass about it (them, I mean)?


Elara,

Was it a black STI?....if it was I know that guy and more than likely he wasn't raceing...He just drives that way...

9-K Rever

No, it was a blue one with the gold rims. Looked like some punk kid driving. He revved his engine at me too, so I'm pretty sure he was showing off.

I would imagine they just want to see what the RX-8 is all about since it's a newer car. If they rev and you don't rev back odds are they will just go along on their merry way.

Originally posted by guy321
Besides, endangering lives needlessly is fun!! of course we have the wrong car for that as the RX8's hood is supposed to be safe(er) to mow down pedestrians with.

Wrong! WRX guys just gobble up the pedestrians with our hoodscopes, I hear it can cool the intercooler a bit and add another 10 or so HP :p

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Wrong! WRX guys just gobble up the pedestrians with our hoodscopes, I hear it can cool the intercooler a bit and add another 10 or so HP :p



Well, if it is a stock WRX VS a stock RX-8 the 8 will take it by a couple of seconds..

The stock WRX has 178 wheel horse power..and roughly the same amount of tourque..the RX8 has anywhere from 180-190 give or take with the ECU issue...and has a carbon fiber drive shaft and weighs about 3k lbs...

The WRX has to put its 227 HP through 2 tansfer cases and suffers heavy power loss through the AWD system.

So, by the numbers a stock WRX is not a contender for a RX8...BUT....and STI is a diffrent storey.

STI owners know they have the beast on the street. PERIOD.

I have driven and STI and let me tell you, the driver of that car knows they can eat any thing that steps up to it. Even a EVO by the numbers on a straight away.

So, it takes a truly jerk of an STI owner to rev there engine at a 8.

But, I will have fun all day playing with WRXs...

9-K Rever

Originally posted by 9-K Rever
Well, if it is a stock WRX VS a stock RX-8 the 8 will take it by a couple of seconds..

The stock WRX has 178 wheel horse power..and roughly the same amount of tourque..the RX8 has anywhere from 180-190 give or take with the ECU issue...and has a carbon fiber drive shaft and weighs about 3k lbs...

The WRX has to put its 227 HP through 2 tansfer cases and suffers heavy power loss through the AWD system.

So, by the numbers a stock WRX is not a contender for a RX8...BUT....and STI is a diffrent storey.

STI owners know they have the beast on the street. PERIOD.

I have driven and STI and let me tell you, the driver of that car knows they can eat any thing that steps up to it. Even a EVO by the numbers on a straight away.

So, it takes a truly jerk of an STI owner to rev there engine at a 8.

But, I will have fun all day playing with WRXs...

9-K Rever

Seems that simple doesn't it, but let me remind you WRXs can run 14 flat stock and have been known to run mid 13s with just a $50 boost controller set at safe boost levels. Also a WRX, will weigh less than a RX-8 with a GT package, or at least very close. The WRX IS a contender for the RX-8 and stock for stock is faster, save for high speed rolls. Lastly there are not a whole lot of WRXs that remain stock, at least when compared with most cars, and for around 1k in mods you're lookin at over 300hp at the crank.

9-k, please clarify where exactly an 8 will take a stock WRX by a couple seconds. They run very similar 0-60 times and their quarter times are not that far apart. The 8 should take the WRX in the twisties becuase of better suspension and world's better braking, but the AWD counts for a lot. I drive an 8 and WRX wagon and I don't think there is a clear cut winner in speed between the 2 cars. Plus you don't need to dump the clutch over 6K to get a nice jump with the WRX-as long as you are into boost you will get a nice kick in the rear end.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
Sweet justice! Ike foiled again! :D

Sorry, Ike-teasing seems to be a trend here, I actually find the posts informative and entertaining. No offense.

ROFLMAO

Originally posted by Senseny
9-k, please clarify where exactly an 8 will take a stock WRX by a couple seconds. They run very similar 0-60 times and their quarter times are not that far apart. The 8 should take the WRX in the twisties becuase of better suspension and world's better braking, but the AWD counts for a lot. I drive an 8 and WRX wagon and I don't think there is a clear cut winner in speed between the 2 cars. Plus you don't need to dump the clutch over 6K to get a nice jump with the WRX-as long as you are into boost you will get a nice kick in the rear end.


Sure no problem.

Thought I might just make it easy on us all just to go to the Subaru website and link the comparison between the vehicals.

But there is no link for their flash based comparison.

Anyway, and for the record, Ike knows I am a fan of Subaru and I wouldn't argue with him with out a good point to make. I just don't do that.

But, when you compare the base MT RX8 to the BASE MT WRX. The RX8 out specs on paper in all area's of major concern besides price and tourque.

Better brakes, more horse power, lighter car, smaller displacement putting out more power. Better gear box and turning radious and 60-0 stopping times, and MUCH better tires off the dealer lot and its a lighter vehical.

The only stock WRX that will trounce an RX8 stock the the JDM one. The USDM WRX is a watered down version of that.

On paper the STOCK RX8 VS and STOCK WRX is a no brainer.

The gap in tourqe numbers is made up by the 8 in not haveing an extra transfer case and no AWD.

I am trying to keep this post to issues we can all easily quantify and not turn it into a pissing contest. So when people reply to this post keep in mind the discusion is A STOCK RX8 and STOCK WRX IMPREZZA.

NO MODS.

9-K Rever

Originally posted by IkeWRX
I would imagine they just want to see what the RX-8 is all about since it's a newer car. If they rev and you don't rev back odds are they will just go along on their merry way.

Obviously don't live around here. 9 times out of 10, if they rev their engine around here, they're just being jerks and want to race, and take off no matter what. This guy was one of those. And I'm sorry, but if you're driving an STI, you know you're faster than an 8- because you don't buy a car like that and not know something about other cars that could be considered competitors. In any case, he lost his "cool factor" with me the minute he revved his engine at me. Only complete morons street race, let alone in heavy mall traffic.

Originally posted by Senseny
9-k, please clarify where exactly an 8 will take a stock WRX by a couple seconds. They run very similar 0-60 times and their quarter times are not that far apart. The 8 should take the WRX in the twisties becuase of better suspension and world's better braking, but the AWD counts for a lot. I drive an 8 and WRX wagon and I don't think there is a clear cut winner in speed between the 2 cars. Plus you don't need to dump the clutch over 6K to get a nice jump with the WRX-as long as you are into boost you will get a nice kick in the rear end.


And I mean no disrespect but a WRX wagon shouldn't even be in this discusion.

9-K, I have read lots of your posts and I know that you know and respect Subarus, and I respect your posts. I just feel (and numbers I have seen seem to back) that the gap in stock WRX performance and Rx8 performance are not that great in SOME key performance aspects. I have ended up in the position of seeming to criticize the 8 becuase I feel my other two cars perform either close to as well (WRX wagon) or much better (FD) than the 8. The 8 accelerates at a very similar clip (and in a similar manner--high revving) to the WRX. Where the Suby fails IMO is in braking--worst intrusive ABS in a sporty car that I have ever experienced. The Suby also has more body roll than the 8 which feels like it is on rails in comparison.

No, I disagree about the wagon as its weight is only slightly higher than either the sedan or the 8, its acceleration is only slightly less than the sedan or the 8, and its skidpad numbers are only slightly off either cars. I have driven the WRX sedan as well and I really felt that the wagon was exactly the same. But I am not offended if you feel that way.

Thanx Senseny,

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the there is a major gap in performance numbers we are discusing only a few seconds here.

The areguement that IKE made is that the stock WRX on paper out specs a stock RX8 wich is blatently not true.

If we are talking about feel and ride quality it has been some time since I have ridden in a stock WRX. Every one around me seems to mods their WRX's as soon as they can..(Jab Jab) But, the turbo spool up was quite time consuming and the 2.0 engine doesn't have enough displacement to generate any noticebale tourque w/o boost.

It to me felt like it took forever to get to 3k. But, the punch there was very respectable. With the wagon you never once forgot where your power came from. The wagon's power to weight ratio is sufficient enough to make it a good perfomer. But, I think the reason why the decision isn't clear cut for you Senseny, is the RX8's lack of torque..and thats just blinds you to the fact of how fast you are realy going in the 8 becuase it never gives you that kick like the WRX does.

There is no sudden burst of power from forced induction. The intake ports on the Renessis create a superchargeing effect that causes a build of of speed like the S2000's v-tech engine. So, what I am trying to say is don't be fooled by the lack of tourqe in the Renisesis you are reaching those numbers faster than the stock WRXs.

9-K Rever

But your FD is a diffrent story. Kudos on that vehical..

You shouldn't compare your FD to your FE..

:)

9-K, yeah under 3K I might as well be driving a Geo metro (with AWD), but over that the rush comes on hard. I hear you about the difference in kick and "feel" that FI gives (after all my fun car is a 300rwhp FD). I really wasn't trying to argue that the 8 isn't a better performer than the WRX, but that the difference probably shouldn't be measured in seconds. Seconds are a big difference in most categories. In a long twisty road course seconds would probably become a factor, but I think mostly due to far inferior brakes and tires. I don't think we disagree that much, maybe just semantics.
Oh, I haven't modded the WRX because of the ridiculous Subaru policies on modification versus warranty. But eventually I will be one of those owners you jab.

Originally posted by Senseny
9-K, yeah under 3K I might as well be driving a Geo metro (with AWD), but over that the rush comes on hard. I hear you about the difference in kick and "feel" that FI gives (after all my fun car is a 300rwhp FD). I really wasn't trying to argue that the 8 isn't a better performer than the WRX, but that the difference probably shouldn't be measured in seconds. Seconds are a big difference in most categories. In a long twisty road course seconds would probably become a factor, but I think mostly due to far inferior brakes and tires. I don't think we disagree that much, maybe just semantics.
Oh, I haven't modded the WRX because of the ridiculous Subaru policies on modification versus warranty. But eventually I will be one of those owners you jab.


I can't wait to hear about your mods..but in the mean time, PM the specs of your FD, and pics if you go them. 300whp....is very impresive.

I am only hopeing to get 230 whp out of my 8. I was thinking about getting the RE AMEMIYA exhaust manifold and and cat back..( debateing on flywhweel) But, I don't like the way he made the tips look on his exhaust.

My girlfriend comes back from Japan on tuesday, she is supposed to bring me a price list.

9-K Rever

I am a nitwit with posting pics, but I will try. The FD is painted Porsche Black Metallic with double silver Mercedes Metallic stripes with a silver pinstripe down the outside of each stripe (think Viper GTS--where I saw the paint job). Interior--6 point harnesses, gray shift and ebrake boot and extinguisher. Brakes--Xdrilled, slotted Brembos. Suspension--adjustable Tokicos all the way around. Good stuff--Greddy Cold air intake, Greddy FMIC with polished elbow, hiflo fuel pump, 1300CC injectors secondary rail, underdrive pulley, Bonez DP, Bonez HiFlo Cat, Greddy PowerXtreme Catback, Power FC with commander. Reliability--AST delete, silicone boost and vac lines with wraps, KDR's antidetonation device. Also ACT street comp clutch, short shift kit and lightened aluminum flywheel. There may be a few other things but you get the idea. It is making 304 rwhp and 280lb/ft of torque at the rear wheels.
It needs turbos (primary not spinning until boost comes on--I might get two years out of them, I might get a month), rims (factory chromes are horribly pitted) and rubber and a few interior pieces to be where I want it. I will probably get the manifold polished at some point and a bigger radiator. Good proper operating turbos should take me to 340 at the rear wheels with tuning. Can't wait.

Originally posted by Senseny
I am a nitwit with posting pics, but I will try. The FD is painted Porsche Black Metallic with double silver Mercedes Metallic stripes with a silver pinstripe down the outside of each stripe (think Viper GTS--where I saw the paint job). Interior--6 point harnesses, gray shift and ebrake boot and extinguisher. Brakes--Xdrilled, slotted Brembos. Suspension--adjustable Tokicos all the way around. Good stuff--Greddy Cold air intake, Greddy FMIC with polished elbow, hiflo fuel pump, 1300CC injectors secondary rail, underdrive pulley, Bonez DP, Bonez HiFlo Cat, Greddy PowerXtreme Catback, Power FC with commander. Reliability--AST delete, silicone boost and vac lines with wraps, KDR's antidetonation device. Also ACT street comp clutch, short shift kit and lightened aluminum flywheel. There may be a few other things but you get the idea. It is making 304 rwhp and 280lb/ft of torque at the rear wheels.
It needs turbos (primary not spinning until boost comes on--I might get two years out of them, I might get a month), rims (factory chromes are horribly pitted) and rubber and a few interior pieces to be where I want it. I will probably get the manifold polished at some point and a bigger radiator. Good proper operating turbos should take me to 340 at the rear wheels with tuning. Can't wait.



I have to say, I think I just read over 10gs worth of mods..

KDR's antidetonation device....good buy!

I was reading up on how detonation and ping affects rotaries..

Theareticly the rotary engine can rev infinatly...but the E shaft can't...hence what will happens when detonation occurs..

How doesn the anti-detonation device work?

To post pics use the reply button then attatch them.

I must see this.

9-K Rever

Originally posted by 9-K Rever


But, when you compare the base MT RX8 to the BASE MT WRX. The RX8 out specs on paper in all area's of major concern besides price and tourque.

Better brakes, more horse power, lighter car, smaller displacement putting out more power. Better gear box and turning radious and 60-0 stopping times, and MUCH better tires off the dealer lot and its a lighter vehical.



9-K Rever

Brakes: Agreed. Luckily I've been able to fix this for rather cheap.

HP: Only if you actually believe Mazda's numbers, the CHP is probably about even, WHP the edge goes to the RX-8

Lighter: Only a stripped down RX-8 MT will be lighter so we'll call it a draw since the WRX will be lighter than most GT models.

Gear box: Personal preference, though most would probably agree with you

Turning Radius: This will never be a selling point of a car for me, and lastly how the heck do you know?

60-0: You're repeating yourself :p

Much better tires off the dealer lots and it's a lighter vehicle: Yep your tires are better but we're comparing all seasons to high performance tires so it all depends on what you're after. Not the best tires for traction in the dry but they'll get you through winter... and again you're repeating yourself :p


Don't forget your renesis is more like a 2.6L Cylinder engine so the WRX with that conversion is lower displacement. Also the WRX is in it's sweet spot long before the Renesis is, so your lag comment doesn't really make sense to me.

Things you didn't mention:

Given equal drivers...

1/4 mile: WRX wins

0-60: WRX wins

Torque: WRX

Since we were talking about a race I think those are the most relevant numbers and for those facts alone what makes you think a RX-8 would take a WRX by a couple seconds? They even trap about the same, a well driven WRX will trap @94 and a RX-8 @95, and AWD cars always trap low. The torque isn't fooling anyone, in the WRX you really are reaching those numbers faster, at least til 100mph or so.

And yes, lets keep this a civilized discussion!

I can tell you that detonation in the rotary blows out the apex seals and scores the face of the rotor housing (can't think of technical name). I signed a non disclosure agreement when I got the anti det device. Please talk to Skip at KD Rotary, he will sell you then explain (at least until he has it patented--he needs to and should protect his invention). The device probably isn't needed in the 8 until you start modding. Lets put it this way, I was talking to him about a 100 shot of nitrous that he insists will be safe with the device. BTW, I may do nitrous on the 7, either wet injection or a spraying of the IC, both will lower charge air temps. Please talk to them.
The mods have cost me more than my original purchase price of $13800 and I always wonder why I am doing this. Then I drive the car and those issues of practicality just go away!
The picture end, I don't have any handy. I will try to take a snapshot or two or my rotaries (which I want anyway) this weekend then I will figure what I have to do.

IkeWRX, what is the brake fix, cause the stockers make me insane. Also, and this is a personal thing, I hate the conversion of the rotary displacement into conventional piston displacement. I prefer to just keep with an explanation like, "it is a smaller displacement engine, but it creates a lot of horsepower per liter. However it uses more fuel and doesn't create as much torque." I know some racing governing bodies would argue this, but it is classed as a 1.3, lets leave it at that. Just my .02.

Originally posted by Senseny
IkeWRX, what is the brake fix, cause the stockers make me insane. Also, and this is a personal thing, I hate the conversion of the rotary displacement into conventional piston displacement. I prefer to just keep with an explanation like, "it is a smaller displacement engine, but it creates a lot of horsepower per liter. However it uses more fuel and doesn't create as much torque." I know some racing governing bodies would argue this, but it is classed as a 1.3, lets leave it at that. Just my .02.

SS lines, Motul fluid, better pads (just the fluid and the SS lines help nicely), and disconecting the ABS (takes less than a minute) :) Cheap, easy DIY work and it's a great improvement.

It was even entered as a 2.6L for the international engine of the year award, most insurances consider it a 2.6L, etc., etc... I don't have a problem with people calling it a 1.3L engine as long as they don't use this number to make it sound like it's putting out more HP per litre than other cars.

Ike

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Brakes: Agreed. Luckily I've been able to fix this for rather cheap.

HP: Only if you actually believe Mazda's numbers, the CHP is probably about even, WHP the edge goes to the RX-8

Lighter: Only a stripped down RX-8 MT will be lighter so we'll call it a draw since the WRX will be lighter than most GT models.

Gear box: Personal preference, though most would probably agree with you

Turning Radius: This will never be a selling point of a car for me, and lastly how the heck do you know?

60-0: You're repeating yourself :p

Much better tires off the dealer lots and it's a lighter vehicle: Yep your tires are better but we're comparing all seasons to high performance tires so it all depends on what you're after. Not the best tires for traction in the dry but they'll get you through winter... and again you're repeating yourself :p


Don't forget your renesis is more like a 2.6L Cylinder engine so the WRX with that conversion is lower displacement. Also the WRX is in it's sweet spot long before the Renesis is, so your lag comment doesn't really make sense to me.

Things you didn't mention:

Given equal drivers...

1/4 mile: WRX wins

0-60: WRX wins

Torque: WRX

Since we were talking about a race I think those are the most relevant numbers and for those facts alone what makes you think a RX-8 would take a WRX by a couple seconds? They even trap about the same, a well driven WRX will trap @94 and a RX-8 @95, and AWD cars always trap low. The torque isn't fooling anyone, in the WRX you really are reaching those numbers faster, at least til 100mph or so.

And yes, lets keep this a civilized discussion!

I actually agree with all of the above comments. But this thread started out as a simple humerous anecdote about a show-off getting his just desserts, and degenerated into a comparo between the 8 and STi's racing abilities (of which there have been MULTIPLE discussions already) and then degenerated further into comparo with the base WRX.

I would say, "just leave it be," but I do have one other comment to add to the discussion since it has already degenerated:

The WRX is a butt-ugly econobox with a great engine. The RX-8 is a sleek, beautiful, all-around better car, with a unique and fun engine. To each his own.

If you take off the ricer wing and scoop, no one would even notice the WRX. Yes, it is fast. Great! You can keep it.

I love my 8. :)

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc


The WRX is a butt-ugly econobox with a great engine. The RX-8 is a sleek, beautiful, all-around better car, with a unique and fun engine. To each his own.

If you take off the ricer wing and scoop, no one would even notice the WRX. Yes, it is fast. Great! You can keep it.



Actually it hadn't degenerated much and we were having a nice discussion til you showed up...

Sorry. :D That came out a little harsh. I'll edit. Please replace butt-ugly with bland-looking.

I really do respect the performance of Evo and WRX - how can you not? Incredible, best for the money you can get. Everyone has different things they want out of their car. I think it was Csaba Csere who wrote recently, something like once you get past a basic used Camry, car choice is akin to something you wear and how you want to be perceived. It's not just transportation. Some of us prefer a sleeker, more sophisticated look and are willing to sacrifice a bit of raw performance to get it.

I'm glad we have so many choices available!

Originally posted by Elara
... He revved his engine at me too, so I'm pretty sure he was showing off.

I HAVE to rev my engine just to get enough oomph to get started.

:cool:

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
Sorry. :D That came out a little harsh. I'll edit. Please replace butt-ugly with bland-looking.

I really do respect the performance of Evo and WRX - how can you not? Incredible, best for the money you can get. Everyone has different things they want out of their car. I think it was Csaba Csere who wrote recently, something like once you get past a basic used Camry, car choice is akin to something you wear and how you want to be perceived. It's not just transportation. Some of us prefer a sleeker, more sophisticated look and are willing to sacrifice a bit of raw performance to get it.

I'm glad we have so many choices available!

To take this even further off topic, I actually really like the styling of the WRX... I know it's pretty ho hum, but I really like it for some strange reason. Regardless... I always liked the styling of the RS but never considered one because it was a little pokey. I guess I just like boxey looking boring cars for some reason <shrugs> I really liked the Sentra SE-R back in the early 90s, the E30 M3, love the Skylines up til the R34. I guess fender flares and a boxy body just do it for me... The sleeper aspect of cars has always been big for me as well, but the WRX doesn't fool many people anymore :(

Speed ER Doc, Sorry to denegrate the conversation. I had points to make as did IkeWRX and 9-KRever. Wouldn't it be boring if when you started a conversation you couldn't stray from the original point.

Originally posted by Senseny
Speed ER Doc, Sorry to denegrate the conversation. I had points to make as did IkeWRX and 9-KRever. Wouldn't it be boring if when you started a conversation you couldn't stray from the original point.

Plus, all parties involved enjoyed the conversation. No one was downing the cars, as you did with the WRX. The conversation was kept to quantifiable points, I don't think anyone gave subjective opinions.

Includeing IKE...

Originally posted by IkeWRX
To take this even further off topic, I actually really like the styling of the WRX... I know it's pretty ho hum, but I really like it for some strange reason. Regardless... I always liked the styling of the RS but never considered one because it was a little pokey. I guess I just like boxey looking boring cars for some reason <shrugs> I really liked the Sentra SE-R back in the early 90s, the E30 M3, love the Skylines up til the R34. I guess fender flares and a boxy body just do it for me... The sleeper aspect of cars has always been big for me as well, but the WRX doesn't fool many people anymore :(


Now, if you want an OPINION, I like the 2.5 RS better than the WRX.

When I bought my LEGACY 2.5 GT, it was 4 months before the WRX came out, and I was seriously considering the 2.5 RS over the Legacy. But getting the Legacy was the best choice, it made me pay attention to Subaru's rally history. If it wasn't for the Legacy the IMPREZZA would not exsist.

I was reading through the posts regarding the WRX STi versus the RX-8 and would like to enter my own useless opinion on the matter. When I was considering vehicles, the Subaru was on my list. The reason I went with the RX is because it seemed to me that the STi had little, or no, room for improvement. Since it comes with all the cool stuff already, the only things left are nitrous and/or a camshaft. On the other hand, the RX is a pretty sweet car already with plenty of room for upgrades on the engine. Port modification, forced induction, nitrous oxide, and some suspension tweaks are all on my list for the next 2-3 years. Add in the fact that very few heads turn to look at the WRX as it doesn't have that "sex appeal" many other sports cars have(most would argue the WRX isn't a sports car as much as a pre-tuned four door, anyway.). I guess when Fast and Furious 3 comes out, we'll see if they happen to include an RX-8 in the cast of vehicles and, if so, the mods that are done at that time.

Thanks for reading thus far,
Ray

p.s. Remember, it ain't the car as much as the driver. Back in my v-8 days I had a 13 second car that could beat most motorcycles on the street and at the track.

Originally posted by 9-K Rever
Well, if it is a stock WRX VS a stock RX-8 the 8 will take it by a couple of seconds.

9-K Rever

You started the degeneration of the discussion with this unfounded statement, which Ike dismantled appropriately.

You were having a civilized discussion though, and I'm sorry I got bogged down in it and made an overly harsh comment about the style (or lack thereof) of the Suburu WRX.

As Ike said, he likes stealth cars, and it could certainly be one without the large picnic table and pedestrian ingester. :)
What a wicked fast car! Just seems like a ticket magnet.

I just liked the original few posts better than the last few. These cars have been compared to death, and as Elara said, we all know (or should know) the Subys are faster.

Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
You started the degeneration of the discussion with this unfounded statement, which Ike dismantled appropriately.

You were having a civilized discussion though, and I'm sorry I got bogged down in it and made an overly harsh comment about the style (or lack thereof) of the Suburu WRX.

As Ike said, he likes stealth cars, and it could certainly be one without the large picnic table and pedestrian ingester. :)
What a wicked fast car! Just seems like a ticket magnet.

I just liked the original few posts better than the last few. These cars have been compared to death, and as Elara said, we all know (or should know) the Subys are faster.

My statement was not unfounded. The concersation started with me saying that I will play with WRXs all day long. And that statement comes from experience.

I don't like to post about street raceing but I am speaking from experience on the WRX topic.

I have beaten stock WRXs off the line and to the next traffic light..

And thats all I will say on that.

9-K Rever

Originally posted by Senseny
Speed ER Doc, Sorry to denegrate the conversation. I had points to make as did IkeWRX and 9-KRever. Wouldn't it be boring if when you started a conversation you couldn't stray from the original point.

You weren't. You were just trying to dismantle the same unfounded comment above, and got dragged down too. I sense a door is about to shut anyway........