Does anyone out there have an AP map that works with an MS intake?

i've just recently come to certain realizations. :banghead:

I have never tried running the Cobb Stage 1 map with my AEM (cause I bought my AP from MM), but a forum member here in CO did and it was very lean (14s at WOT)!

If you are going to buy an AP purchase from MM and he will take care of you! Thats what I did and I am all grins :)

your probably not screwed any more then 1/2 the people who tried using the Cobb Base maps. If your not using a MM accessport, post up some data and maybe some people will help out

I thought it was not good to use other people's maps?

Scale the MAF!

You should be ok - you just have to scale everything correctly.

I'm using the AEM(Mazdaspeed) intake and my fuel trims are better now than they were with the stock intake. Initially I thought my AFR's were off because they were rich at WOT but that ended up being the normal factory settings. I ran the Cobb stage 1 map before the AEM and after with no problems. It seems that some cars like that map and some hate it.

I have not tried the stage 1 map with my CAI because that's outside the map notes (learned too late). But if some people are running it with no problem, i'll give it a try and just try to make sure my afrs stay above 12 or so I guess. Is that right? What year is your car, po snake?

Regarding scaling the MAF, Kane, i'm just getting started really learning what I need to learn. I was sort of hoping your MAF tool would automate me a map that would work. Any tips that can be offered are appreciated.

as to using other's maps, i don't think it matters provided the hardware is the same. I wouldn't want to run, say, Kane's map on my car. But racing beat flashes the ecu the same for every rx8 and so does the cobb stage 1. So unless the map is highly specialized, like for use with a turbo, i don't see why it would matter. I could be wrong though.

Yeah I'll be putting that out as soon as I can.

:bowdown: it will go down in history as one of the awesomist things you ever did. for some it would be the awesomist thing, for you i suspect there's some awesomer things you've done. nevertheless, it'll be awesome.

:bowdown: it will go down in history as one of the awesomist things you ever did. for some it would be the awesomist thing, for you i suspect there's some awesomer things you've done. nevertheless, it'll be awesome.

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dude, your car is in hawaii.

How close are you to Panama City or Sarasota?

I can use you as the beta this weekend.

5 hrs. hmmm.

I'll be in Sarasota over the weekend - and PC for the next few months.... PM me if you are in that big of a hurry and are willing to make the Drive to Sarasota.


Otherwise - I am hoping to have the beta software out by the end of may... of course the beta doesn't come with my boyish good looks and a beer or two.... :D

i'm not in a huge hurry, i guess, but boyish looks and beer are too enticing to pass up ... as long as chris hanson doesn't show up :lol: and sarasota is only 2.5 hrs away. this could definitely work. i'll check with the wifey in the morning and pm you.

awesomerer

Werd - looks like Swoope might be there too.

Let me know man. I am getting on a plane in like 2 hours.

cool. which day is probably best for you? afternoon, morning or night? there's some logistics i'll have to work out with the kid and such like.

I think the consensus is Saturday or Friday night...I am cool either way.

saturday is best for me.

have a good flight.

i'm stoked.

I'll be in Sarasota over the weekend - and PC for the next few months.... PM me if you are in that big of a hurry and are willing to make the Drive to Sarasota.


Otherwise - I am hoping to have the beta software out by the end of may... of course the beta doesn't come with my boyish good looks and a beer or two.... :D

wow,

beta test me.. mo pm coming.

beers :beer:

So are we all down for Saturday then? Let's lock it in!

locked and loaded, sir!

ok back from the dead! I have always been under the impression the AEM and MS intakes were the only intakes you could slap on and go with the AP. Is this not so? My car is fully tuned by jeff with an afr in the ^12's so going leaner is no bueno. I'm all out of tunning time and will not pay to start all over and deal with the tunning issues for another year for just a stupid intake. What's the deal??

/\ changing the intake tract will require and benefit from a re-tune.

OP, i have one that works, and a maf scale too. ;)

/\ changing the intake tract will require and benefit from a re-tune.

When your right by god your right! I just slapped on a MS intake on my MM tuned AP car and now I can't go above 4000 RPM's. Seems like as soon as I go into OL it bogs like crazy or something, it get's real jerky so I dunno???? At 4000 my AFR's instantly spike to 10.1 maybe lower I'm assuming 10 is as low as the uego will read. Back to the drawing board or AP maps I can haz.

hmm. i wouldn't expect it to be that bad. make sure everything is hooked up right.

Checked, checked and re checked. I am also a bit confused myself? I was thinking it would go lean not super rich. We're talking about a change of +3 on the AFR so again I dunno. Cleaned the filter following the instructions yesterday afternoon so maybe it's not completely dry yet but I figured 12 hrs would be enough no?

When your right by god your right! I just slapped on a MS intake on my MM tuned AP car and now I can't go above 4000 RPM's. Seems like as soon as I go into OL it bogs like crazy or something, it get's real jerky so I dunno???? At 4000 my AFR's instantly spike to 10.1 maybe lower I'm assuming 10 is as low as the uego will read. Back to the drawing board or AP maps I can haz.

When JEff tuned my 8 I didn't see any leaning out until v4_0_3 and my final tune was v4_0_7. But now my AFRs are mid to low 12s at WOT, 7500 and up.

EVen when I was running rich I never had any bogging (10.4). CHeck the screens inside of the intake itself. If they are sieways, that is bad! Oh, and don't ask me how I know this ;)

is your ssv valve stuck closed? clogged cat? COILS ? loose spark plug wire? fouled spark plug? too much oil going into chamber killing any chance of detonation? bad battery? bad ground? bad altenator? your map sensor not connected or cleaned? Fouled O2 sensor. --- personal favorite.... VACUUM LEAK!!!!!!

Checked the screens twice. At v_7 my AFR was also in the upper 12's.

well, one way to see if it is indeed the map is to flash over stock or the ap map you can haz. if you still go that rich, something else is wrong.

vacuum leak would cause you to go too lean, so i don't think that's it.

did you reset your ecu after installing the cai?

is your ssv valve stuck closed? clogged cat? COILS ? loose spark plug wire? fouled spark plug? too much oil going into chamber killing any chance of detonation? bad battery? bad ground? bad altenator? your map sensor not connected or cleaned? Fouled O2 sensor. --- personal favorite.... VACUUM LEAK!!!!!!

SSV valve?- Umm gonna go with no

No cat so no

Coils, wires, plugs no not a chance

Oil is a no. Vented with a breather to atmosphere

Battery is a no and alternator is charging fine so no.

MAP sensor?? If you mean the MAF then no it's fine and clean

02 sensor is fine both the OEM and uego read very similar till 11 AFR so no

My grounding system is completly upgraded and then some so no

Vaccumm leak is deffinatly a no as I'm a zip tie freak

if its bogging and is running rich I would say bad/ clogged cat.

nevermind, I guess you are catless....

Posted to late:)

i guess it could be that your map is so fine tuned that the slightest variation in maf readings is throwing things into disorder.

i wish i could see this map.

but did you reset the ecu after installing the cai? try reflashing your map too.

I didn't reset so I'll that a try and I'm deff with you on being able to see the map

UPDATE: - I just reset the ecu and reloaded the same map still drives like piss WTF!!! I'm going to give it a few days to see if the computer will learn how to adapt

another update:

after resetting the ECU and reloading the map with approx 4 complete drive cycles my car does drive a bit better but still not acceptable. STFT shows 1 at idle and LTFT is also showing 1 not sure if this tells anyone anything but i was thinking the FT's would be way off?? OL wot is a mess at around 5000 it spikes my AFR to 10.1 on the uego and at 6000 still bogs real bad. Fills almost like hitting the limiter. No marbles in a can noises but it is accompanied by a overwhelmingly loud backfire. Not sure what's going on but tomorrow i'll try get a log or 2 and post it up for input

logs would help.

but flash the stock map and see what happens.

this is interesting.

mine is running really smooth if it's any consolation:cwm27:

OMG, OFMG, WTF.:flamed: I win the most bone head move of all time. I'm actually very ashamed of my self right now wtf. Not sure how I let this one happen maybe sleep deprivation or maybe i'm just a plain ol retard. I checked everything I could think of except the lower part of the intake inside the filter itself. For some reason after washing the filter I put the rag inside it and put it on so I assume this explains everything except why i'm an idiot. Ran ok until WOT because the rag would get sucked up against the pipe. I have no excuse for such negligence and appoligize this screw up.

The beatings shall continue until moral improves.:mad:

That could have been worse...

http://www.forumspile.com/Misc-OhSnap.jpg

log file without the damn rag. now i'm lean i guess i'll start backing out a few tunes.

2nd gear wot

how did you put the maf readings on the other side y axis? i was trying to figure that out.

ask r0tor - enable macros, import log, clicky analyze, smile

cool. but the buttons not working. excel?

ooh nevermind. security. cool rotor. wtg

here's mine.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c157/myriads/dataz-1.jpg

your maf readings look a bit higher than mine. interesting.

Yours are scaled and his are not - he said he was running rich to begin with, so he is reporting higher MAF numbers.

Then the fuel trims build - and the rag comes out, now he is super lean.... it happens.

He needs to trim his MAF some to get it inline with his target AFRs.

man i wish it was that simple. Stupid locked maps

But can't you pick from leaner / richer maps?

yep and done. the above graph shows my leanest map so MM v_5 should get my AFR to the mid 12's. I hope anyway? The MAF will still be off so is there a problem with that???

Technically yes - but unless Jef will rescale you there isn't much you can do.... except tune it yourself.

cool. but the buttons not working. excel?

ooh nevermind. security. cool rotor. wtg

my teksnology is teh ubercool :lol:

i think i might check out kane's stuff now that i read this...

Do it up man - more eyes the merrier.

myriadshalaks -> I just uploaded your MAF recal for my intake lets see what happens in a day or 2. I'll post results over in the AP mapz you can haz if this works out well

ruh roh. hope it works. :lol: