anyways people might know from my other post that i've dropped my car off for a few mods.

Anyhow, gave a call today to see the progressive of the work.
Simon stated to me that the car "wont" start.

He said my engine prob failed and need a rebuild.

Something about cold weather enhances the carbon build up and stops the spring or something

A compression test is needed.'

Look i believe Simon is a great guy, but does this sound slightly bs? or is it realistic ? to me it sounds like a stall for time?

Has one of his pimply apprentices moved it 10 feet and flooded it?

Assuming a rebuild simply because it won't start sounds strange to me... :icon_bs:

well i never had a problem with ti before, flooded once. thats all.

he said he'll try to start it...... im thinking its a flood.........

called and he said the car is flooded.......

So he gonna run a decarbon and compression test.. there goes another 300 bucks......

HAHAHAHA, they're rotary noobs. $300 for a flood would not be good though. Flooding does no damage in itself. Decarbon?

well he still insists my engine is failing, due to it beign a auto. so he wants to decarbon.
Funny thing is that my engine flooded to date twice.
Once when im overseas (spring cleaning by uncle)
2nd, at a Rotary Specialist.

this is BS - pure and simple .
They don't know how to deflood your car and are making up bs so they don't look bad . You need to "help them" by giving them the deflood proceedure

As I said earlier, I'll bet that some dickwad moved it to get to another car and forgot to rev it to clear the unburnt fuel.

Carbon buildup can occur if the car isn't revved regularly enough and I have heard of it being a problem on autos but I think $300 is OTT for a fix.

This is ProMaz, yes? Good rep on here but I'm starting to wonder...

mmm look guys, im not trying to bash promaz, they have done good things.

But its abit hard to come to terms, the fact my car is flooded by them. Afterall he owns a rx8, and one of the premium rotary mechanics in melb.

Well the 300 i dont have that much of a issue with, decarbonising wont hurt anyways, and always wanted a compression test run.

But i redline everyday, and the fact is my car was due for collection tomorrow, it was dropped off on thursday, the fact is i call to check how its going, and hearing things like *engine failure* wasnt very pleasant in the morning

So main reason for this thread, was to double verify if the engine *should* be failing

It isnt a bash on Promaz, but rather a combination of fact finding and anger venting.

I'm wondering if they fitted the LT10 and that is why they flooded it . Have heard some horror stories a while back about shops trying to fit that ecu to the rx8 .
Hope they have done it before - successfully .

haha funny thing is. Nothing have being touched yet. NOTHING. (no mods/service)

And nah not worried by the LT-10 they have good experience with it, (since they supply their turbo kit with it).

This sounds a bit far fetched to me ... $300 for a decarb and compression test sounds a bit excessive.

speaking of which nate, i told simon to chuck in the motul 5w-30, so if my engine blows im coming for u :P

HAHA ... I thought your engine was already blown up :D

Yeah, try the Motul stuff ... it will feel a little more responsive!

sounds like BS to me ... if the engine needed a rebuild, you'd have the "engine failure warning light" come on wayyyyyyyyy before it needed a rebuild.
as for engine oil, i'm using 5w-40 and runs fine in brisbane weather.

I wonder how they "decarbon" the engine? I know back in my two-stroke boat motors days, the shop used to spray some decarbonizing aerosol spray into the airbox, and rev the ring out of it. Took all of 5 mins.

Pretty much the same thing ... you spray in a degreasing agent like carbie cleaner or engine degreaser through a points such as the PCV valve, and the air intake while the engine is running (without stalling the engine) as well as adding a similar agent to the engine oil and rev the engine for a few minutes ... maybe take it for a short drive?

Blows smoke for a while ... then it dies down.

There are products out there such as Seasol which are made specifically for this ... but they don't cost anywhere near as much as $300! More like $30!

In fairness I think he was also quoted for a compression check. Still expensive for $300 for both bits of work but in total it'll be more than 10 minutes work and $30 odd in materials...

There are products out there such as Seasol which are made specifically for this ... but they don't cost anywhere near as much as $300! More like $30!



Seasol, really? I've got some of that in the garden shed, I'll try it out tonight!


http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11369627/Seasol_Liquid_Seaweed_Extract.jpg

I hope it stimulates your root development Tim...:)

Isn't that why we all bought a sports car in the first place?

Ssshhh! That's our little secret, mmkay?

Actually, if I count the cold shoulders I've received after 'er indoors found out about yet another mod and what it cost, it's probably hindered my root development... :banghead::lol:

Car started, Pulled a Dyno of 73rwkw...... about 10 better then stock autos....

anyhow compression were 70 90? i dunno what it means...

anyhow, battery is stuffed... and need replacement.....

so yea..... getting yellow top

Car started, Pulled a Dyno of 73rwkw...... about 10 better then stock autos....


Gasp. Stock manuals are around the 120 mark, couldn't you have gotten a knee transplant instead of an auto??????????

stock autos are more like 100kw aren't they ?

Seasol, really? I've got some of that in the garden shed, I'll try it out tonight!


http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11369627/Seasol_Liquid_Seaweed_Extract.jpg


You can do that, let us know how it goes!

Apologies for the slip, it's actually called Sea Foam.

http://www.seafoamsales.com/

/\ you may have just been the catalyst for an important discovery in the evolution of the rotary .... :LOL:

Yes, I'm sure.

well different dyno have different readings...

On another dyno it was 90.4 O.o another was 101 now its 72...... lol..

Anyways the compression ratios of 7 and 9 are they like decent to keep driving?

or is my engine gonna go kapow soon?

Promaz dyno gives discount....

Simon doesn't haha

Good that all things works out. Simon does good jobs and looks after customers...

Flooding can damage your RX-8.

When the car ultimately starts, the EGT can reach very high temperatures with all that fuel burning in the exhaust. Catalytic converters have been reported as glowing red hot after a flooding incident.....a much shorter cat life is the end result.

Promaz dyno gives discount....

Simon doesn't haha

Good that all things works out. Simon does good jobs and looks after customers...

Agreed, simon does do a good job.
At your expensive though, but i guess with experience comes the right to demand for extra $$$

Flooding can damage your RX-8.

When the car ultimately starts, the EGT can reach very high temperatures with all that fuel burning in the exhaust. Catalytic converters have been reported as glowing red hot after a flooding incident.....a much shorter cat life is the end result.

Flooding causes the cat to collapse, or in my case it was the other way around. My cat collapsed, which caused the flooding! No idea why it failed though.

Ok, follow up.

Everything is repaired, cost was reasonable, nothing over the top.

All in all abit surprised but a still content customer with simon.

Promaz does do great work :)

Jason, never feel bad about questioning something that makes no sense. One thing about Simon is he is very expensive, but reliable. Also be aware that he will ALWAYS state up front a ridiculous price, but when it comes to actually paying the bill it tends to be a little more reasonable.

For those that aren't aware, Simon/ProMaz were one of the first to bring out a turbo kit for the 8 worldwide let alone in Australia. He is the one that originally produced the P&P harness for the LT10s and was at one stage shipping it worldwide (May still be). People may not like the LT10S/Interceptor but it gets the job done, is reliable and achieves good results. Simons turbo cars are putting out 200rwkw reliably on 11psi.

As for the decarb, he uses a product similar to seafoam. The "Rebuild" was, from what I can make out, a continuation of the fact he believed you were running low comp due to being carbed up I(the spring comment from what I can tell is him explaining the springs under the apex seals not being able to do anything becaus ethe seal are carboned to the rotors). I can only assume that he was thinking along the lines of "We need to do a decarb and if that doesn't work, you may need a rebuild to fix the carbon build up or low comp. To me a reasonable conclusion.

In the end, from what I can tell the reason it flooded was a combination of a weak battery and low compression.

Hope that helps.

Cheers

Andrew

yea exactly.

Whole point of the post was questioning a few things.

Look i doult simon is lying to me or something, it was just that i got confused on the reason my engine just apparently *went*

The context he put out for me prob made it abit worse. But thats prob better then sugarcoating then finding out it is worse.

As a conclusion, like Andrew said, he is good, reliable. But go in and expect a price tag attached. Maybe in the end it wont be too much, but know that he does good work for his price.

In my limited dealings with Simon I have found him to be knowledeable and honest. He may be expensive, but he is still cheaper than a dealer, and he will offer better service and will more often than not do a better job. He has a strong track record with rotaries, not just RX8s.

I did hear some horror stories about him, years ago, but that was from a rival rotary builder/workshop/drag racer who has since left his own reputation in tatters and my own personal experience with Simon/Promaz suggests that those stories were bullshit.

:grouphug:

All's well in Mexico again then...

and we gonna pass our swine flu up north

I'm safe - I don't kiss pigs. :)

didnt read the news ey, its safer to kiss pig, then ur gf/wife lol

So what you're saying is that Mexican wives/GFs will be kissing northern men?

Yeah, I can see that... :)

No no...he said its safer to kiss a pig than YOUR GF/Wife :p:

You bet your ass it is! :nono:

:)

GOD, for your sakes I hope she doesn't see this !!

:lol: I think we've got mistaken meanings here. Too funny!

Hey, I heard that Victoria is proof that Tasmania's can swim.

Hey, I heard that Victoria is proof that Tasmania's can swim.

I heard that too, don't know whether the source was a credible one though!

Hey, I heard that Victoria is proof that Tasmania's can swim.
I also heard that its proof they can walk once on land and that border security isnt working...but hey...who do you believe these days ???

Hey, I heard that Victoria is proof that Tasmania's can swim.

Mate, you live in Canberra. Stones...glass houses...ring a bell?