Roared by an SVT Cobra on the way home tonight (red line in 2nd - man does the Borla make the rotary sing or what!). Two younger guys (you can imagine the stereotype) -- they were making a turn. Next thing I know they make a quick lane change and come up next to me at the light with big smiles on their faces and say "man that thing sounds sweet!" :D Well we took off at the light and he got about 1.5 car lengths on me but then couldn't pull away any further -- had fun for little while and then I had to turn. Can't wait for Canzoomers mod -- not expecting to be able to take the Cobra but it is fun to play now -- 35 more HP would be awesome -- probably suprise a few people -- 350Z cough cough.....

Anybody else with the Borla notice that the wheels are much easier to spin -- maybe its just me :confused:

I will say one thing -- I have had the Borla for 5 days now and have not turned on the stereo once -- I prefer the music I am making going down the road :D

RXhusker,
Sounds like your having fun with the new exhaust. Now the sound along with the car's looks are turning heads. :)

As the exhaust opens up it feels like it is putting out a little more power. I've recently seen the DSC light flashing as I shift into 3rd gear but that is more likely due to the new snow tires. Anyways, the recent abundence of throttle induced oversteer is fun at times. :p

I ordered the Borla exhaust last friday from VividRacing and it arrived yesterday. Everything that has been said on this thread is absolutely true. YOU HAVE TO BUY ONE!!!! This exhaust is the best out there. I have heard all of the sound bytes and didnt like them until I heard the Borla.

The horsepower increase is noticable above 5,500 I think. It's much more free revving like everyone has been saying. I think you can even notice some more torque as well.... What I like about this exhaust the best though is the sound. It's not overboard at all and the best thing is that it just accentuates the sound of the sweet rotary.. (what I was looking for) So all in all.. I would totally recommend this exhaust :D

omg......as if it wasnt hard enough to make my decision already all these rave reviews are driving me insane!

Originally posted by mikeb
dealer must prove that aftermarket exhaust is causing whatever the problem may be to void warranty

Ok, I have to play the evil advocate and explain a few things with warranty work.

1. The dealer can just refuse you work on your car at any point, it has nothing to do with warranty, as they are independent of Mazda.

2. Some manufacturers are denying warranty claims based on changing the drivability of the car (this is Subaru, with a court case to back their lame claims, I have yet to hear one from Mazda).

3. A dealer wants to make money with warranty work, but if there's high failures and Mazda USA steps in, then we could see similar issues. Let's just hope that your dealer works with ya ;)

Mike is referring to the magnusson-moss act, but there are many many loopholes. You can't just come in with a blown engine with crazy aftermarket mods and DEMAND a new engine. But if a coil pack goes south, how can they prove that your new exhaust actually caused the problem?

Proceed carefully grasshopper!!

I have a question concerning the removal of the stock exhaust. Keep in mind that I am no mechanic, but the part of the exhaust that you have to remove, does that have to be cut or torched or is it clamped together? I guess what I'm trying to find out is if there is any cutting, torching or welding involved. I thought I read somewhere that there was no welding involved. It was all clamps and hangers.

The Borla exhaust bolts on directly behind the stock resonator, and no welding or cutting is needed. The only thing you might have to do is bend the hanger closest to the differential... one user reported that it was too close, and was rattling. But no one else has had that problem that I've heard about, so it's not likely that you'll have to do that either.

Just ordered the Borla exhaust from John @ socalmotorsports.. can't wait to get it.. hopefully i'll get to have fun with it before the dreadful snow season starts.. hehehe

so where's the flaming video clips? c'mon..

So far, has everyone installed their own exhaust? What would be the average cost to get someone to do it for you.

Originally posted by flipstream
Just ordered the Borla exhaust from John @ socalmotorsports.. can't wait to get it.. hopefully i'll get to have fun with it before the dreadful snow season starts.. hehehe

so where's the flaming video clips? c'mon..

I'll see what I can do this weekend.

flames, Flames, FLAMES.... :D

Originally posted by brothervoodoo
So far, has everyone installed their own exhaust? What would be the average cost to get someone to do it for you.

I got a quote for $50 to have it done at a small shop close to my office. That said -- I decided to do it myself. I had never done any mechanical work on a car before -- bought a set of ramps at Wal-Mart grabbed a few wrenches and screwdrivers and off I went. Glad I did it myself -- it was a pain to remove the rubber hangers and I beat up my hands pretty good trying -- but now that people have disclosed the tip about using lubricant (duh -- why didn't I think of that -- a degree in Aerospace Eng. and an MBA down the drain right there :mad: ) this should be a very easy and fun process. There is a certain satisfaction gained by doing it yourself that I just don't think I would have if I had paid the $50 bucks. Lets see $50 for 3 hours of hard labor -- dang rubber hangers -- $50 is about 15 minutes of my billing rate at work so from an economic standpoint -- bad decision, but I would still do it myself again just for the personal satisfaction.

i realize that everyone is jumping on the borla bandwagon b/c it is cheap, adds performance, and looks/sound AWESOME.

however, remember that racing beat is working ferveriously on new, high performance products for the RX-8. i have their full exhaust system on my FC RX-7 TII, and i must say, it is one of the best exhaust systems money can buy. best performance, best looks, and nice mature sound.

i'm sure they will do the same for the RX-8. also, b/c racing beat has tuned several mazda vehicles in the past for mazda (mazdaspeed protege, miata), mazda sells the products FROM the dealer. as a result, your warrenty wont be voided.

i would guess the racing beat RX-8 muffler will be around $400-500, and sould great.

here is a link for their lastest update on tuning info: http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm

here is a pic of their prototype muffler for the 8:

http://www.racingbeat.com/sevenstock/Seven/s2.jpg

The Racing Beat setup looks top notch and I'm sure that they will get some decent performance gains.

As more and more exhausts become available it would be cool to do a shoot out to see which provides the best: performance, sound, quality, and bang for the buck. Maybe VividRacing will do a little bit of this on their project car.

anyone know when racing beat will come out with that exhaust? if it's 400-500 bucks it's something to consider too

racing beat said at sevenstock the only one they had was prototype and maybe by mid nov

Welp, I ordered their front sway bar a couple days ago. Was hoping to get it before tomorrows autocross, but oh well. It'll be in for next time.

Maybe I'll even have enough for an exhaust when RB has theirs out :D

Originally posted by RXhusker
I got a quote for $50 to have it done at a small shop close to my office. That said -- I decided to do it myself... RXhusker, Thanks for the insight and info. $50 sounds extremely reasonable and if I could find someone at that price I probably would let them do it. I'm not setup and/or have the space to dismantle my 8.

2nd question: What did you guys do with the old exhaust (hang on to it)?

Originally posted by brothervoodoo
2nd question: What did you guys do with the old exhaust (hang on to it)?

My old exhaust, and the original front sway bar are stacked next to the wheels/Hoosiers (soon to be two sets) in my garage. Didn't know what else to do with them.

Originally posted by tpryor
My old exhaust, and the original front sway bar are stacked next to the wheels/Hoosiers (soon to be two sets) in my garage. Didn't know what else to do with them.

Sell them on ebay. (I'm just joking) I think it is better to hang on to them. Right now no one knows if those mods will void the warranty or not. (sure, not the sway bar) If there's anything bad happened to your car, you can always install the factory parts back before you bring in to the dealer. :)

At the request of many I have gone out of my way to try to capture the flaming beast on camera. Let's just say that a picture doesn't do it justice and if someone is willing to host a 3.6 MB video file you can see what I mean.

You got to be joking, is that a flamethrower!! I'll host your video, I'll send you my email via PM.

jesus balls that's a nice flame you got going there. what'd you do just ride it above 6k rpm until it shot or something?

WTF?!?!? that's a joke right??

Originally posted by brothervoodoo
RXhusker, Thanks for the insight and info. $50 sounds extremely reasonable and if I could find someone at that price I probably would let them do it. I'm not setup and/or have the space to dismantle my 8.

2nd question: What did you guys do with the old exhaust (hang on to it)?

My old exhaust is still sitting in the garage -- will probably keep it since I am a packrat.

All I needed was a set of ramps ($20 at WalMart) and about 6' of space behind the 8 to move around.

Speed Racer :eek:

You have to be pulling our leg with that shot :confused:

If not -- I am taking the camera out tonight and seeing if I can duplicate :D

I just noticed that Speed Racer sent over his movie file. It's a .mov file so make sure you have 'quicktime' to view it. I'm currently uploading it to a location all can see, stay tuned I will post the link in about 5 minutes.

Kewl.

Hey, anyone gather any further data on post-install MPG?

Okay, here it is courtesy of "Speed Racer".

Speed Racer's Borla exhaust Video.... (right-click and save to hard drive) (http://home.covad.net/~store014/speedborla.mov)

that's insane! the flames!!

Originally posted by MrWigggles
I think I've only seen forced induction cars put flames out the back.

Wow,

-Mr. Wigggles

Here is another N/A engine car that flames - the whole pack pumps out the flames - cool!

http://www.hsv.com.au/racing/2003/round9/images/image1.JPG

Cheers,
Hymee.

BTW... Sorry - my other love is V8's! These babies put out 620HP from a 5 litre mill.

And I think I like the sound of the exhaust. But I promised not to do mods on my '8 :( :( :confused: :confused:

That's frickin' wild

WOAH! As soon as I recover from the xpel kit I had put on this morning, I'm going to be ordering one...

great video I cant belive my eyes

Ever notice it doing that at night on a downshift?

Thanks for sharing, great vid!!

Does EVERYONE think the flames thing is cool, or is anyone besides me a bit concerned about it? I mean, it is kinda cool, just not sure if I like the idea of driving around a flame thrower. Also kinda worried about burning the flames buring the back of my car. Should the car really be doing this? Does anyone have any ideas on how to mitigate the flames, short of putting the stock exhaust back on?

And BTW, I have yet to see flames from my Borla...

Originally posted by Omicron
Does EVERYONE think the flames thing is cool, or is anyone besides me a bit concerned about it? I mean, it is kinda cool, just not sure if I like the idea of driving around a flame thrower. Also kinda worried about burning the flames buring the back of my car. Should the car really be doing this? Does anyone have any ideas on how to mitigate the flames, short of putting the stock exhaust back on?

And BTW, I have yet to see flames from my Borla...

Don't worry, it doesn't shoot flames like that unless you really go out of your way to make it happen.

The reciepe to flames is:
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Warm up engine
Get the exhaust red hot by running the car over 6k RPMs for several minutes
Come to a stop or at least keep it under 60 MPH (slower = bigger flames)
Rev it hard (WOT) and lift off on the throttle quickly
INSTANT FLAMES!!! :cool:
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As you can see, it is not easy to get flames because the conditions have to be perfect to ignite the unburnt fuel. Likewise I have not seen any damage to the paint or body work on the car but your mileage may vary. :p

If Mazda ever corrects the pig rich fuel map the flames will probably go away for good.

Originally posted by syntrix
Ever notice it doing that at night on a downshift?

Thanks for sharing, great vid!!

It is even noticeable in broad day light. So far I know that it happens if I run the car hard for an extended period of time without any breaks in the action and then lift off of WOT. If I get the exhaust hot enough I can actually get a continuous smolder off both pipes during WOT. It looks just like the small flames at the very end of the video when the car is basically out of the picture.

Today I had a guy who pulled in a little too close behind me. So I decided to see what kind of reaction I would get if I started to shoot flames back at him. Let's just say that he didn't waste anytime putting it in reverse and backing up a few feet! :eek:

Nice!

Originally posted by Omicron
Does EVERYONE think the flames thing is cool, or is anyone besides me a bit concerned about it? I mean, it is kinda cool, just not sure if I like the idea of driving around a flame thrower. Also kinda worried about burning the flames buring the back of my car. Should the car really be doing this? Does anyone have any ideas on how to mitigate the flames, short of putting the stock exhaust back on?

And BTW, I have yet to see flames from my Borla...

It does EXACTLY the same with the stock exhaust.
YES, you CAN damage the back end with this:

Originally posted by Speed Racer

Today I had a guy who pulled in a little too close behind me. So I decided to see what kind of reaction I would get if I started to shoot flames back at him. Let's just say that he didn't waste anytime putting it in reverse and backing up a few feet! :eek:

It's almost worth buying it just for that!

Thanks SpeedRacer and Canzoomer, I feel better now.

Awesome way to get to the tailgaters. Or the ricers who ride your bumper at 80 trying to........well actually i dont know what the hell they are trying to do lol.

Tailgating ricer

+

Borla flame

=

Melted ricer emblems. Yay!

that's sharoo! i ordered my Borla last week from John @ socal.. said it would take about 2 1/2 weeks... can't wait... anyone up for SMORES?

i keep getting an error code it wont play the movie.I really want to see it to.

Uninstall quicktime and go reinstall the latest version, maybe that will help.

file cannot be found errors...is it still up brothervoodoo?

Install the latest version for Quicktime (available at http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/), then download the file. Finally, change the file extension of this movie file (currently .mov) to .QT

Originally posted by BRx8
file cannot be found errors...is it still up brothervoodoo?
ditto.

Link is dead, any mirrors?

Give it another try.

Speed Racer's Borla exhaust Video.... (right-click and save to hard drive) (http://home.covad.net/~store014/speedborla.mov)

Originally posted by brothervoodoo
Give it another try.

Speed Racer's Borla exhaust Video.... (right-click and save to hard drive) (http://home.covad.net/~store014/speedborla.mov)
THERE U GO!

thanks voodoo!

Damn! those are some flames! Mine should be hear next week.


Nice

nice vid,, very nice..

is it true that it can be done with the stock exhaust?

Originally posted by U. N. O.
nice vid,, very nice..

is it true that it can be done with the stock exhaust?

I know that I have heard the off throttle pops (quiet but definitely there) with the stock exhaust but at the time I never thought of looking for flames. Why don't you try it out and let us know what happens. :)

I wonder did any of you who got borla installed go to get a dyno?

Not yet, but at the very least, I'm planning on getting a Gtechpro, Beltronics Vector, or Escort GTimer -type device to ballpark it, AFTER I get Canzoomer's ECU mod.

when will his ecu mod be ready?

mine should be here next week too... can't wait...

Originally posted by mikeb
when will his ecu mod be ready?
We are now busily assembling parts, making packing boxes, have a bunch more bits on order, and so on.
We are trying to get a batch ready by the 12th.

sounds really nice and deep. really tempted to buy it, but i recall a previous post of a dyno result or something of the borla how it only has it hp or torque gains over the 7000rpm range? are there any other exhausts out there that still have a near rotary sound and with a low-high range in hp/torque gains too?

Originally posted by Speed Racer
I know that I have heard the off throttle pops (quiet but definitely there) with the stock exhaust but at the time I never thought of looking for flames. Why don't you try it out and let us know what happens. :)

i tried it but for some reason i can't see flames.. maybe because i can't see the back of the car while i am inside the car?:confused: :p
it seems a lot harder with the factory one and it requires to burn gas like crazy.. its bad enought for normal driving.. i will end up getting 150miles per tank.. i tried a couple of times in the last tank and i ended up with 190 in that tank when i usually get 220..

My friend helped me install the Borla exhaust last week and after having driven with it for about a week now I must say that this is the exhaust system the RX-8 should have come with from the factory.

Seeing the photos of the Borla exhaust, I was worried the pipes would be too close to the plastic trim and would melt it. However, it's very hard for a photograph to convey that geometry--there seems to be just as much clearance as the factory. The tips come out farther and are larger, but they taper so they're really not much closer to the trim at all. I suppose if the exhaust got really hot, it would melt, but I think the factory exhaust would do the same thing.

MPG does seem to be a little better, maybe 1 or 2 MPG. It's tough to say since driving conditions vary so much. But the trend after a week's driving (two road trips, plus a week of normal driving) is on the up side.

It's not too loud, I'd say it's still quieter than my old Mustang Cobra was. But it does have a very nice low pitched growl now, as you can hear from the various clips that have been posted. The exhaust pops are actually audible inside the car now (you can hear them from outside with the stock system). Aside from that, it's mostly deeper and a little louder under load but just as quiet when cruising.

Then there's top end of the tach... until I put this exhaust on, I never felt a surge as the 3rd injector turned on--if anything it felt like a sag or slight fall off. Now there's very noticable boost on the top end. The low and mid ranges feel about the same, maybe a little stronger in the mid range (certainly, nothing has been lost), but the high end is noticeably improved.

Now for my installation observations:

A) The box, at least as shipped from Vivid Racing (who were excellent to deal with, I highly recommend them), won't fit in the car. I didn't expect it to, am pretty sure that it won't. Also, we couldn't get the factory exhaust to come apart and so it won't fit in the car either. So, plan accordingly.

B) We did not remove the rear wheels or any trim except the two exhaust ports in the rear bumper. Mazdatrix's instructions for installing the exhaust finishers (http://www.mazdatrix.com/faqrx8/exhfinish.htm) are exactly what you need to know to remove these two plastic pieces.

C) For us, the spring bolts went pretty easily, but the hangers were very difficult. We used 3-in-1 spray oil and pry bars to remove the hangers (for those who haven't done this before, a hanger is a small block of stiff rubber with two holes in it--one hole goes through a mount on the car, the other through a mount on the exhaust). The 4 hangers in the back were pretty easy, the hanger on the diff was very difficult--we didn't find a good way to get leverage on this one but did eventually work it loose. We were able to re-use all of the hangers.

D) Once the factory exhaust was off, installing the Borla exhaust went very quickly--the exhaust hangers were all well lubed at this point and slipped on pretty readily. We put the muffler up first, then the pipe. We could see where the diff hanger might hit the diff (giving it a firm side-to-side shake it would hit the diff) so we decided to trim about 1/4" off of tip of the hanger bracket on the Borla pipe. After trimming, it was still easy to slip into the hanger, yet it had some extra clearance such that a firm shake would no longer hit the diff.

E) The exhaust did not come with a nut for the grounding strap (as has been noted previously). You'll need to provide an M6 1.0 nut. The various companies selling this exhaust might want to consider taping one into the box--would save the customer a trip to the parts store where we can never buy just one nut.

So, in summary... :D

--SL01

Great post! I concur with all of your comments -- except -- the box from Vivid does fit in the car. You have to put the front passenger seat all the way back and lay it flat. Slide the box in angled up towards the drivers seat. Close the doors -- then you need to prop the box and balance with your right hand (so you can shift) :D Believe me -- it was easier to do this than it was to remove those dang exhaust hangers!

I must say I love my Borla exhaust -- the sound will actually change a little once it is seasoned -- doesn't seem quite as loud and less burbling when backing off the accelerator.

Just finished my Borla install, and have some pics....

Pictures of the clamps from Borla, and the stock....

A view of the catalyst connector, before and after.....

Man, that 3" pipe is huge...(or is it just my delicate little hands? ! ?)

The ground wire was a little small, so I made my own, carbon fibre covered wire

and big connectors, with Nylok nut......

Before and after 'tips'......
and some install hints;
1 - I worked under jack stands, and could not get the original out 'in one piece',

had to remove one of the plastic tip surrounds. A lift would have made it much

easier.
2 - If the mid support touches the diff, you have pushed the mid-pipe too far into

the muffler piece, there is no 'stop', just pull it back out a bit.

sweet.......the 3" looks just about right.

lookin good... :D

StealthTL...

Great pictures! The tips really dress up the rear of the car and the sound clips provided on other threads are outstanding! My concern is the rapping off/back firing/burning off of excess fuel in the exhaust, whatever it is that occurs when you let off the throttle. Is it acceptable/manageable?

Tom

i am curious if that sound clip was done while the car was cold, that was a classic sound on all my moded cars if it wasnt up to temp.

Do the tires have to come off to do the install? Has anyone started the car without any muffler on it?

StealthTL,
Nice job on the step-by-step install. The pictures really add another level of detail that was missing from my rushed review. ;)

StealthTL,

did you feel a change in power?

Looks good Doc! When you taking me for a spin???

Argh! Can't wait for my Borla.. should be today! :)

how much that shit dawg?

Dat shit dawg be $560 - $595. Check dis out: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12631&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

I paid $550:


Borla (http://www.rx-7parts.com/default.php)


I installed it today, took about 2 hours including BSing with a friend.

http://www.rzatek.com/8rear.jpg

D-san

P.S. It sounds bad ass, not loud and obnoxious, nice and throaty WOT, cruising is about the same as the OE. It makes it easier to hit my shift points too.

Did you leave the tires on to put the exhaust on? I bought mine at the RX8store also.

Originally posted by brownchiro
Did you leave the tires on to put the exhaust on? I bought mine at the RX8store also.

Yes, I just used a set of ramps, plenty clearance to get under.

does one need much knowledge on the workings of the car to do a self install? BTW very badass sounding!!

The worst part of the install wasgetting the ear end up high enough, with ramps, or stands and a trolley jack.

The whole assembly hangs on 'figure 8' rubbers from the body.

Only tools needed where 17mm and 15mm sockets for the clamps, and an 8mm for the little ground strap. Maybe a large screwdriver to pry the rubber hangers on and off. You also need to find a metric nut to hold the old strap on the new stud.

If you can change a wheel, I would say this is no more difficult.

S

For those of you who have purchased the Borla exhaust, do you have any regrets? What would you say the pros and cons would be? Thanks!

Originally posted by 8th1der
For those of you who have purchased the Borla exhaust, do you have any regrets? What would you say the pros and cons would be? Thanks!

No regrets! I have had the system for almost 1200 miles now, and I STILL turn the radio off when I get a chance to "drive" the car, as it sounds so sweet "at work".

If there had to be one drawback, it's that it makes the car that much more noticeable (like I need THAT) around the neighborhood.

Gas mileage has remained the same, but there is extra performance. It's reasonably priced, easy to install, sounds great - I have loved every minute.

Pics of the kit at the location in the signature, if you haven't seen it yet.

No regrets!

Great Sound
Great Looks
Great Price (vividracing.com)
Easy Install

I took my car in for first maint. and new oil pan this morning and the service advisors and several mechanics had to come out and look at the exhaust when they heard me drive in!

edit: Oh yeah -- I amost never listen to the stereo anymore because the music from the exhaust is just too fun :D Roars when you rev it and rumbles low notes when you let off the pedal.

Coming up on 3 weeks now, no regrets... looks good, sounds fantastic, not too loud, not too quiet, and noticably improves performance.

The only down side I've noticed is that the exhaust tips are a little harder to clean. It's hardly worth mentioning, though.

--SL01

No regreats at all. Love the thing.

I was a bit concerned at first that it might be just a *TINY* bit too loud, but no more. As someone else said in another thread, I think the sound has mellowed with time.

What can I say that has not already been said before?

I have no regrets because it has exceeded my expectations in: sound, aesthetics, and workmanship. The extra gain in power at the upper end is noticeable but no matter what you do there is never enough power! ;)

LOVE IT... no regrets... (still wanna get the "flames" shoot out.. hehe)

damm, this makes me wanna get a 8 and put those borlas on and rev it!, where can i find a sound clip of an rx8 reving wit them borlas?

Here is a thread with the sound clip link:

Borla Thread Link (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12631&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

Originally posted by mental pimp
damm, this makes me wanna get a 8 and put those borlas on and rev it!, where can i find a sound clip of an rx8 reving wit them borlas?

Does installling the Borla exhaust have any effect on the factory warranty? I'm just wondering if you ever had any engine problems Mazda could deny you the repairs under warranty because you installed an aftermarket exhaust system.

http://www.rx8club.com/hybrid/head_1_r4_c8.gif (http://www.rx8club.com/search.php?s=)

:p

No regrets.

Originally posted by Jag
Does installling the Borla exhaust have any effect on the factory warranty? I'm just wondering if you ever had any engine problems Mazda could deny you the repairs under warranty because you installed an aftermarket exhaust system.

I got this from here http://www.ptuning.com/html/faq.htm But there is indeed a catch!!! Scroll down....



Q. Does installing an aftermarket part, automatically void my vehicle factory warranty? A. NO, According to the Magnusson-Moss Act of 1975 (see below):

The Magnusson-Moss Warranty - Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975 protects consumers from such fradulent activity by new car dealers. Under this Act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer's orginial warranty, unless the warranty clearly states the addition of aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicle's warrany or if it can be proven that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure. The easiest way to check this is to look in your owner's manual under, "what is not covered". Under Magnusson-Moss Act a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before they can deny warranty coverage. If they cannot prove such claim-or offer an explanation- it is your legal right to demand compliance with the warranty. The Federal Trade Commission (202.326.3128) administers the Magnusson-Moss Act and monitors compliance with warranty law.

However, there is one catch that most of you are not aware of, and I had to deal with this on one car in the past.

If your car is not stock, a dealer service department can simply REFUSE to work on your car for ANY reason. This has nothing to do with warranty, and at any time, the dealer has the right to stop work on the car. Most dealer service departments are independent of Mazda North American Operations.

Surely the dealer will try to work with you, if they did no warranty work, then they would lose money and get a bad rep on forums and communities.

It's just one more thing to be aware of when dealing with aftermarket parts.

great pic flipstream
I like your colored mesh also

glad you guys are enjoying the borla

And has anybody been to the track with theirs?

The dyno for the borla is here http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13696

Are you asking about real world racing gains?

thanks mikeb.. i'm planning to get a kit anyway, so i decided to paint it for now.. hehe

yeah

I noticed mine has a bit of vibration at idle now, anyone else have the same thing?

Rikki, that hanger clears fine. It may be my idle which is around 800 RPM. there isn't any rattling, just the exhuast vibrates a little, only when the car is warmed, kinda like a hopped up mustang, but not that severve.

Best question might be, can you tell specifically where the rattle is coming from, maybe by laying down under the muffler while the car is running and listening? You can help pinpoint a specific area of noise by using a short length of hollow tube or hose.

It's not a rattle. It's the exhuast vibrating at idle, 800RPM, anything higher and it's just fine. Myabe it's just the norm, everthing is tight and there is plenty of clearance by the diff.

Have had my Borla for about a week and love it (knew I would, had one on the Miata). Didn't remove wheels or any trim or exhaust ports. But I couldn't separate the cat-to-muffler pipe on the stock system from the muffler, so, assuming I wasn't going to reinstall the stock system, I got my angle grinder and cut it off just upstream of the clamp. After that, everything was slick. Sprayed the hangers with Armor-all so they'd come off easier and then used a big, long screwdriver to pry them off. Reassembly was a snap. No buzz, no rattle, and quieter from inside than I had expected. But definitely a healthy sound from the outside.

sorry for my english guy i am a french canadian

i would like install a borla exaust on my rx8 titanium its possible for you to tell me if a adjustement for my rotary is necessairy.

thank you

The exhaust simply bolts on, and no other adjustment is needed, to the engine or otherwise. Highly recommended!

no adjustment necessary to the engine. i plan on ordering borla in 2 weeks. it's a simple add on, maybe an hour or an hour and a half of work. it'll give hp and maybe save some fuel :P and did i mention it sounds great? i can't wait!

Real simple. It was my first time installing an aftermarket exhaust myself and a friend and I had it done in less than an hour. I had to get back under the car to take care of a rattle (documented in other threads) but that was pretty simple also.

I hope this helps out...trying to save people with their time by using MINE! :)
if u see better deals HELP ME OUT

http://www.hopupracing.com/mazdarx8.html

https://pagemall.com/GoodwinRacing/default.tpl?cart=106978591311800811&id1=34&startat=1&--woSECTIONSdatarq=34&--SECTIONSword=ww

thanks for the link

vividracing is selling borla cheap check them out

JDM all the way!

Originally posted by Efini 8
JDM all the way!

amen

but not on this forum

Originally posted by mikeb
amen

but not on this forum


No way, buy the best you can afford. Do you think you can get a better JDM exhuast for $550? Even $1000? I think not, unless your goal is to have your 8 to sound like a chainsaw.

i don't think anyone will ever believe me but i got mine for $350 and one for the mazda sales manager (a buddy of min) for $400.... i ordered it about 2 monthes ago and will get it sometime this thanksgiving weekend

How i got it so cheap is a LOOONG story but if i'm holdng my breath until i have it in my hands!!!

KC,

It's a loong weekend so I'm all ears for a good story....do share.

Kevin


http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/katnkevin/right_front_thumb.jpg

Originally posted by Digisan
No way, buy the best you can afford. Do you think you can get a better JDM exhuast for $550? Even $1000? I think not, unless your goal is to have your 8 to sound like a chainsaw.

so what

you might have to pay more than 500

Would someone with the Borla please post a wav or mpeg with the new sound of the exhuast??? Pretty please!

Kevin

http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/katnkevin/right_front_thumb.jpg

Originally posted by SDFLY
Would someone with the Borla please post a wav or mpeg with the new sound of the exhuast??? Pretty please!
Kevin


Here ya go Kevin... check out this thread, down toward the bottom of the first page: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12631

Originally posted by SDFLY
KC,

It's a loong weekend so I'm all ears for a good story....do share.

Kevin


http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/katnkevin/right_front_thumb.jpg

In another message board about 3 months, i found a guy who just got borla as a wholesaler, but before he could be a permanent seller, he had to get $7000 dollars worth of orders. So i asked him how much for the Rx-8? he told me $500 shipped (still a great deal!) so i was in. he also said that if i can get more people to buy, the cheaper mine would be. So i got a bunch of other cars to go with mine and each person i got, it was -$50 from my order. That's how i got it for $350. But the catch was he couldn't ship until he got the complete $7000 order. He just did that 2 weeks ago and has shipped me a couple of my friends' exhausts but no rx-8 yet. i e-mailed him if can order some extra ones but he said he has to sell them alot higher now bec. he didn't make a profit at all!

Originally posted by mikeb
so what

you might have to pay more than 500

Can someone decipher this for me?

what I mean is you might pay more for amuse,HKS, greddy etc, etc
but thats because they are better IMO

Me and SHOWOFF went to his shop today after work to install our exhaust systems together. Here are some pictures, sorry they are so crappy but i forgot my camera and had to use my work's P.O.S. camera.

My opinion on the exhaust......... I'm sure i speak for SHOWOFF and Mrs. SHOWOFF, is BAD A$$!!!!!!! Everyone is not lying when they say you can't here the exhaust while driving normal but when you rev the monster, boy o' boy. The pop is ridiculous.

stock exhaust.

WHERE DID THE EXHAUST GO?!?!?!?! oh yea, it was on the floor.

a picture of my car (on the left with the stock mufflers still on) and SHOWOFF's (fresh of the lift!)

both after a quick wash and exhaust upgrade. (again, sorry for the poor quality)

Looks nice... congrats! Speaking from experience, you're gonna love that exhaust. :D

This is the best picture of our rims i could get. the picture just doesn't do either us justice.

Do ' F E E L' any horsepower gain????

Originally posted by MikeA
Do ' F E E L' any horsepower gain????

i don't know if it's just me, the newly found sound or just my imagination but the acceleration seems a bit faster.

Wonderful news, sweet cars.

When you say the exhaust "pop is ridiculous," is it the type of sound that's going to tick people off? I like the idea of the upgraded exhaust, but I just don't want to be one of those folks with the crazy loud car. Thanks for the help.

Originally posted by MikeA
Do ' F E E L' any horsepower gain???? Mike, check out this thread with regards to Canzoomers Stage 1 and the Borla exhaust. It seems to have appreciable power, at least, combined with zoomers mod. I don't have either one, and only speaking from what I recall from reading threads but alone I think it does add a couple ponies.. Check out Canzoomer's statements below about being able to break traction in 3rd when using the Borla+Stage 1, interesting reading.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=185557#post185557

Originally posted by KC_RX-8
Me and SHOWOFF went to his shop today after work to install our exhaust systems together. Here are some pictures, sorry they are so crappy but i forgot my camera and had to use my work's P.O.S. camera.

My opinion on the exhaust......... I'm sure i speak for SHOWOFF and Mrs. SHOWOFF, is BAD A$$!!!!!!! Everyone is not lying when they say you can't here the exhaust while driving normal but when you rev the monster, boy o' boy. The pop is ridiculous.

The pop goes away after a couple days, depending on how much you drive.. the smell too!

It is kinda loud on the inside when you accellerate, but it really isnt that loud outside..

Originally posted by mamccubbin
When you say the exhaust "pop is ridiculous," is it the type of sound that's going to tick people off? I like the idea of the upgraded exhaust, but I just don't want to be one of those folks with the crazy loud car. Thanks for the help.

This is nothing like those loud a$$ muffler you hear on the road. The only time you hear the exhaust is when you want to hear it.

Originally posted by guy321
The pop goes away after a couple days, depending on how much you drive.. the smell too!

It is kinda loud on the inside when you accellerate, but it really isnt that loud outside..

I think its the oppisite. I really can't hear it inside but i sure do hear it outside!

Originally posted by guy321
The pop goes away after a couple days, depending on how much you drive.. the smell too!

I think he's referring to the pop that occurs when you rev it up and then drop the revs really fast. Sounds like a backfire. That pop doesn't go away, but it's easily avoided.

anyone heard the greddy 8 exhaust yet??? here:
http://www.rx7.com/RPGReddyRX8exhaust/rx8midpipemufflerclips.html

is it as loud as this?? or is the greddy much louder?

Does anyone know the best price that is offered for the borla exhaust.

Someone on another thread quoted $300, but that was with some "fancy dancing" or knowing someone on the inside.

Haven't heard the Greddy in person, but that sounds quite a bit louder than the Borla. The Borla is deeper, throatier and nicer, IMO.

around 550

The best price i found was 515

Originally posted by RotorMotor
Haven't heard the Greddy in person, but that sounds quite a bit louder than the Borla. The Borla is deeper, throatier and nicer, IMO.

i completely agree!! greddy seems a bit louder but i'm 150% happy with the deepness of Borla.

Where was that recorded? From inside the car? If so, my Borla sounds about like that...

The best price i found was 515

From? Delivered?

Originally posted by rxeightr
From? Delivered?

From: A buddy of mine who wholesales

Delivered: Yes

BTW, it was 530, not 515.... Sorry!

is there a website

Hey KC,

Dark RX looks good in your icon...

Originally posted by SDFLY
Hey KC,

Dark RX looks good in your icon...

lol!

You taking any pic's during the day?

It's so funny all of these exhaust systems and they all sound so much alike. It is hard to tell what the Greddy sounds like with the noise coming from the rollers on the dyno. I love the Borla and it has only gotten deeper and louder over the last 2 days.

It looks like I am getting a Borla exhaust for Christmas (woo hoo!) and just have a couple of questions. Thanks to those that help.

1) Best place to purchase the exhaust? I want to get a good deal, but I also want to work with someone who I can trust. There are no dealers in my area according to the Borla site, so I'll have to order it.

2) Average cost for installation? I'd like to do it myself, but I don't have the ability to get the car high enough off the ground and lack some tools.

Thanks again.

Vivid has them for $499, about $125 less than I paid. From Vivid!

Put it on yourself! It is easy, just back up onto two ramps. The whole thing hangs from rubber figure 8s, all you need to do is 'lube-em-up' and pull the supports free, then a couple of bolts at the Cat, and a tremendous sense of accomplishment.

The Borla has a real nice resonance at about 3200 revs, a good place to change gear while in traffic. You can hear exactly the 'sweet spot'.
felix;)

I can't find the Borla exhaust for the RX-8 on the Vivid site anymore. Any other suggestions?

Anyone ever dyno the borla? How's it compare to the hks one?

Try John at www.socalmotorsports.com . Got mine there, good people to deal with. And professional installation will run you about $60-$80.

$$60 to 80?? I got mine installed from Mazdatrix for $45. Don't know if they did a good job though. I think it's loose or something is loose. Don't know if its the exhaust or springs. Squeeking noses.

Has anyone experience squeeking noises after their install or still quiet after install?? There is a squeeking noise but don't know if it's the springs or my new borla exhaust. Maybe the exhaust is loose or leaking air.

Also, has anyone experienced the borla getting louder?? Mine seem to be.

Any suggestions or comments??

has anyone with an auto and a borla ever yield flames before?

I'm planning to get the Borla too, I've heard all the clips and the Borla has sounded the best IMO.

if you had a shop install it then take it back and show them

Eric,

Please call us at 877-GO-BORLA so we can help you. Ask for customer service.

db

I recently installed Borla's cat-back exhaust and it sounds pretty good. I don't really notice the hp gain, but I'm new to the car. I've only driven it a dozen times.

I just ordered Green Filter part #2476 for the stock air box. i like the design of the stock air box and at this point ihave no plans of modifying it. No one's short ram system impresses me at this time.

I've been looking on the 'net for Green Filters, but even their US site says 'Part # 2476 not valid'

Where did you order from?
.
.
.
doc

I noticed some noises too, but not any squeaking. My noises come from around the cat (similar to a gurgling sound) but that could be from the extra air flow, I have no idea. I double checked mine, it's in there nice and tight, all the hangers are set properly as well. My Borla did get a little louder as it got seasoned, sounds really good still (read not obnoxious, nice a throaty :) ). I am quite pleased. BTW there is a HP increase at the top end, you can definitely feel it when you row through the gears.

D-san

I work for a performance shop, so i ordered it wholesale from Keystone Automotive. If you e-mail Green Filter, they'll give you a retailer in your area. The part #2476 is a new number and isn't posted on their site yet.

Hey, to those who have gotten their exhaust put in. When they delivered the exhaust to wherever how large was the box? can it fit in the car? im anxiously waiting for my borla, and im too curious to wait!

I had to take my Borla out of the box. The muffler and driver side tip fit in my trunk. I propped the rest of it up behind the passenger seat and drove it to the shop. There is not enough room to get the stock exhaust back in your car if you plan on keeping it though.

Great choice on the exhaust...I've had mine for about 500 miles now and I absolutely love it! The sound is whoop ass without being obnoxious.

The box it comes in will fit in the passenger seat if you recline the seatback all the way flat.

If the stock exhaust won't fit in the car after the Borla is installed, what do you do with it? I don't have another vehicle to cart it back home in....

im just gonna give mine to the shop that is gonna install it....i'm never gonna use it again...or have no idea what to do w/ it

I considered that, umpuck. but then I thought - hm, what if something serious goes wrong with the car while it's still under warranty. Would I consider getting them to put the old exhaust back on before I took it to the dealer - to avoid any "hassles" with the warranty?

Looks like that might not be an option though, and is probably more trouble than I'd be willing to go to in that situation anyway.

ALWAYS KEEP YOUR STOCK PARTS

you may need them later

I read on here once that if you are installing the Borla exhaust you need either a nut or bolt that is not included from Borla. I can't seem to find the thread again, so if anyone recalls what I need, I'd appreciate it. I hope to install it in the next couple of days.

Not true, the Borla comes with everything you need with the exception of exhaust hangers. However, as it's designed to mount in the same places as the stock exhaust, you can reuse the hanger that came with the car.

It is true, the stock ground wire at the left tip bolts to the muffler, the Borla comes with a stud that needs a nut (or two) to connect.

IIR, it needs a 10mm nut.

S

Whoops, you're right. D'oh, I forgot about that because it was so small. ( :) <== Sheepish Grin)

StealthTL -
Love the Avatar. It holds special meaning to so many of us:p

I just installed my Borla exhaust tonight and thought I’d pass along a few tips. First, thanks to everyone who posted tips earlier. They proved invaluable.

Total installation time was right at two hours. At least 3/4ths of that time was the removal of the old exhaust. Borla did a great job with their kit, which makes the install a piece of cake. We placed the back of the car up on jack stands, which gave us enough room to work.

1) Disconnect the spring nuts at the cat/pipe junction and remove the two bolted on clamps on the pipe.
2) Remove the left exhaust finisher and disconnect the ground wire.
3) Disconnect the exhaust from the four rubber rings nearest the exhaust, then the final one in front of the muffler. We found that the easiest way to do this was with a little Dawn dish soap and warm water in a spray bottle.
4) Next, remove the old exhaust. We had to jack the right rear up a little higher in order to feed the tip through the right finisher.
5) We installed the Borla muffler and tips first. A little more soap and water helped here.
6) We then installed the left exhaust finisher and attached the ground wire. You will need an M6 1.0 nut for this.
7) Finally, install the new pipe and tighten down the clamps that hold the pipe and the right tip to the muffler.

I think that covers it all. If anyone has any questions, post them or feel free to PM me.

The sound and look are both great.

are you interrested by the systeme cat back borla for $600.00 ?

It's like 595 on Ebay if you really wanted one.

It's around $600 all over the place. I just installed mine last night. Love it!

What about this one?? they say it gives yoy 19hprw, 15 FT Lbs. of Torque, 100% T-304 Stainless, Twin 4" Double Walls Tips. does someone know about this one??? www.bbexhaust.com

oopps!! forgat the video sound here it is..http://www.bbexhaust.com/av/rx8.html

Originally posted by RX-jimenez
What about this one?? they say it gives yoy 19hprw, 15 FT Lbs. of Torque, 100% T-304 Stainless, Twin 4" Double Walls Tips. does someone know about this one??? www.bbexhaust.com

19HP??

this is the system vivid racing is running

I think the 19hp is with midpipe

Does the sound of the Borla Exhaust differ from the stock exhausts?
I wouldnt want a noisy rumbling noise from typical street racer type cars....

Under acceleration the exhaust is a bit louder and deeper, but under normal driving conditions it isn't annoying at all.

If anyone in So Cal wants to hear the Borla on the 8 head over to Mazda in Thousand Oaks Auto Mall. I'm down here on vacation and I stopped by to test drive it. Borla is nice, no annoying droning at highway speeds, and it only gets "loud"when you get on it. It has a very nice tone. Couldn't feel any difference in performance, but then again I just got my own 8 and haven't really driven it much

Who else is selling the Borla catback? From the vendors section, I've noticed that only RX8Store and Boost Solutions carries it. I'm curious why Vivid no longer sells them, as they offered them at the cheapest rate (i remember somewhere around the neighborhood of $550 shipped...but that was a while ago).

I've searched and haven't come up with any other companies that carry the Borla. Are there any other options? Or is $570 before shipping the best deal right now? Thanks.

I think that is about the best deal your lookin at. I got mine at Goodwin Racing and they are at $569 before shipping. Not a bad price considering some sell it in upwards of 640-660. Look around though...don't take my word for it.

Try http://www.socalmotorsports.com

Are you planning to carry any Racing Beat products?

strong bad, you're gonna let me hear that thing when you get it on right?

Originally posted by epitrochoid
strong bad, you're gonna let me hear that thing when you get it on right?

Definitely...It might be a few weeks til i actually place an order as i'll be checking with Rolen Imports, and other possible options.

Also, the Racing Beat has piqued my interest a bit..so i'm gonna await the sound clip before i rule them out.

Ebay for 595 shipped for the Borla

$550

Borla (http://www.rx-7parts.com/default.php/cPath/65?osCsid=3f1f20e12cb39366e8235ad68210e864)

Shipping was pretty cheap, I can't remember how much I paid.

D

Thanks, Digi..I just ordered the Borla from em. 2-5 working days it'll be here, so the site says...

$588.20 total. Not bad at all.

Epit, you'll get to hear it soon :)
Shoot, if you wanna help with the install, that's cool too, heh.

Now, time to check out the threads concerning the install and this supposed rattling problem...

I just ordered mine this past weekend from socalmotorsports in CA for $574.99 shipped to Alabama. It was the best price I found.

Ernie

I just ordered mine this past weekend from socalmotorsports in CA for $574.99 shipped to Alabama. It was the best price I found.
And did they actually have the exhaust in stock..as in, did you get it by now? I ordered it a week and a half ago from another vendor, and it hasn't even been shipped yet. Their website claimed they had 5 in stock, but they were out since the beginning of march. They had to re-order from borla. It just kind of bugs me that I was slightly misled, and subsequently must wait something like 2 and a half weeks to get it, when they said 2-5 days. They couldn't offer me any compensation either. I was given the option to cancel my order, but at this point, why even bother?

I ain't bad mouthin them, I'm just sharing my particular experience. I'm pretty sure they're solid usually. Crap just happens. I just wound up getting shafted this time. Oh well.

Mine has not yet arrived either and it has now been two weeks. I was given about the same reason as were you, out of stock and had to order from Borla. I also wasn't told about the backorder.

just a note to all of you looking at the exhaust threads...
i installed a borla. it is such a perfect mix of deep sounds and nice rotary tones. i am enjoying my rx8 so thouroughly...it just keeps getting better.
BTW, john at
info@socalmotorsports.com
gave me a great price maybe $575 shipped ?
and offered better than normal support.
OMICRON gave me his name and had a good experience too.
rudy 8

here are install instructions that someone else posted and it helped alot.

Total installation time was right at two hours. At least 3/4ths of that time was the removal of the old exhaust. Borla did a great job with their kit, which makes the install a piece of cake. We placed the back of the car up on jack stands, which gave us enough room to work.

1) Disconnect the spring nuts at the cat/pipe junction and remove the two bolted on clamps on the pipe.
2) Remove the left exhaust finisher and disconnect the ground wire.
3) Disconnect the exhaust from the four rubber rings nearest the exhaust, then the final one in front of the muffler. We found that the easiest way to do this was with a little Dawn dish soap and warm water in a spray bottle.
4) Next, remove the old exhaust. We had to jack the right rear up a little higher in order to feed the tip through the right finisher.
5) We installed the Borla muffler and tips first. A little more soap and water helped here.
6) We then installed the left exhaust finisher and attached the ground wire. You will need an M6 1.0 nut for this.
7) Finally, install the new pipe and tighten down the clamps that hold the pipe and the right tip to the muffler.

I think that covers it all. If anyone has any questions, post them or feel free to PM me.

The sound and look are both great.

Originally posted by Rotary Taz
I just ordered mine this past weekend from socalmotorsports in CA for $574.99 shipped to Alabama. It was the best price I found.

Ernie

ditto
rudy 8

I recently had my Borla cat-back exhause installed (about 3 mos ago) but I do not have exhaust finishers. I have not had any problems with the plastic melting and I was just wondering if anyone has had that problem with the Borla Exhaust. The tips appear to stick out far enough that the plastic would not melt but any input from people with the same exhaust would be very beneficial.
I am looking to do a few more mods on my car and I just want to know how high the exhaust finishers should be on my to-do list.

Thanks everyone!

Nope, I've had mine on for 2500 + miles and have not had any problem.

I've had mine for 4 mos and no probs here.

and......if you want a good product to polish those tips, I found Eagle One Never Dull metal polish works great. :)

i finally got to hear a borla last night. wow, all i gotta say.

racing beat's got a tough customer to win over now :D

I've had mine for nearly 10000 (yes, that's ten thousand) miles, and there's no melting.

Only thing the Borla melts is my heart every time it goes pop pop.

hey guys?how is the borla?does it sound nice?how much horsepower does it give you?

I happen to like the borla exhaust. Has a nice tone to it and the tips don't tinge blue/gold from the heat, which was the one thing that stopped me from getting the Greddy exhaust. As far as the power goes I am not certain (I really don't remember what the car felt like with the stock exhaust). I do know that I will feel a much bigger difference once that B&B midpipe lands on my doorstep.

I absolutely love my Borla exhaust. I have no complaints about it whatsovever. It sounds great. At normal driving speeds you can barely notice that the car has been modified but when you punch the gas the rotary engine ROARS to life.
As for performance, I cannot give you an exact figure because I have not had mine dyno'd. Plus, I put the exhaust on 2 days after I put the K&N Intake on and with the two combined I defnitely feel a noticeable difference in power.

Thanks to everyone else that responded to my original post on this thread. Looks like I will be doing the fender strakes before the exhaust finishers.

I received mine from socalmotorsports this morning. I unpacked it and found it was missing the ground stud. I don't think it broke off, since there's no markings or any pieces left in the box.
Called borla tech support and left msg. I'll figure something out (maybe use a small metal hose clamp and attach it to the nearest hanger).
Not sending it back for such a small detail. Anyone else have a missing ground stud?
I even bought the M6 1.0 nut from home depot yesterday.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/498000-498999/498315_13_full.jpg

Infamous flaming Borla video (http://www.vividracing.com/main/speedborla.mov)

K&N intake & Borla exhaust combo (http://www.justindotcom.com/Shared%20Documents/KNintake.mov)

And to answer your question, I have about 7,500 miles on my Borla and have not had any problems with melting plastic. :D

oh man!yall make me wanna get my borla right now!!!im sacin up..im almost there tho...yeah i also just put my k&n yesterday!im lovin it...hey do you all noe if the borla will ruin the warranty on the car?

Nope....won't void squat.

did you check the final exhaust pipe on the drivers side really well because i had trouible finding mine too.
ill take a picture of mine and post it or e mail to you
rudy 8

Greddy with way larger tips running 7000+ miles no problem. Stage1 of one trim or another for the past 3000 or so and again, no problems.

I think it's safe to say this is a non-issue :D

I looked everywhere for it and this was right after I took it out of the box not installed. Hey rudy8 email me the picture just to know exactly where it should go. adrian-1@cox-internet.com
Talked to the borla tech and he said it really needs to be grounded securely or it'll throw up a check engine light. Emailed him the picture and he said that's where it should be. He's sending me the stud and I'll get it welded on at some muffler shop.
Just finished installing it by myself and I'm very satisfied. Temporarily rigged the ground onto the hanger.
May have to adjust the right tailpipe some more, but as far as I can tell, it's straight.
Pictues to follow after the test drive (~6hrs :) )

Very nice sound.
Rest of pictures
here. (http://www.cox-internet.com/adrian-1/images/RX8/borla/)

http://www.cox-internet.com/adrian-1/images/RX8/borla/borla%20013.jpg

I'm happy for you... I've had the Borla since November.. and loving it. I also ordered from socalmotorsports.. :D

FINALLY!

Latest member to receive the Borla catback and I'm bouncin' off the wall, I'm so excited! It's a beautiful 63º sunshiney day here (in sunny FL), PERFECT for installing the exhaust.............BUT!!!

I've got classes/work and an exam to study for tomorrow :(

The install will have to wait, but the fact that the system is sitting in my living room makes it OK, and makes me feel all tingly inside.:)

Just wanted to share!

I'm sorry...what is an M6 1.0 nut? not finding one in my tools:(

Hello,

I have read in the past that the Borla system sounds and performs great. Who has the cheapest price on this exhaust system? Anyone have opinions on this system?

Talk to you soon,

dr.b

they may sound great, but the performance gains are minimal. not to knock the system, b/c from every testimonial owners love them, but just dont expect it to be a real performance upgrade

Do a search to find some threads that discuss some prices for the borla system. You may be able to find some sound clips to hear the system for yourself before you buy. Good luck on your search

U can get a Borla sytem for about $634. If ur interested let me know and I can point u in the right direction.
Grace

You can get them cheaper than 634 on Ebay... for about 595. Then there are some threads that show the system for about $550. Gotta search for them.

Can't say that I've noticed any real power increase but I love the exhaust note...no regrets with my Borla! Over 7,000 miles on it and I paid right at $600 shipped to me.

Just because Borla doesn't claim a 12HP increase doesn't mean it makes less power than those which do claim a 12HP increase.

-Mr. Wigggles

I'm sure there is already a thread on this, maybe i missed it. Has anyone posted pics of the installation of the borla exhaust? Is it really as eas as everyone says?

i don't have access to a lift, i do have ramps(about 12in) i can back the car onto. Will that be enough room?

i didn't find the one with pics in my quick search but i did find this post by speed racer-

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Speed Racer
[B]The removal of the stock exhaust was straight forward and self explanatory.
[list=1]
Jack up rear end and place on jack stands
Remove rear tires, rear wheel well trim, and exhaust trim
Remove spring bolts from exhaust pipe
Remove grounding strap from muffler
Remove rubber exhaust hangers - I had a bear of a time trying to remove them so I just cut them off with a utility knife
Remove the exhaust
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Installation proved to be a little harder.
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Loosely assemble 3-piece exhaust
Attach rubber exhaust hangers to underside of car - I bought new hangers for less than $10 from Autozone
Line up exhaust and attach to rubber hangers - adjust spacing of parts as necessary
Install spring bolts - this step was a major pain in the butt (M10 1.25)
Verify exhaust alignment and torque the exhaust clamps
Attach grounding strap - a nut (M6 1.25) was not supplied with the exhaust
Reattach exhaust trim, rear wheel well trim, and rear wheels
Remove jack stands
Turn the key and listen to the Renesis come to life :D
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Originally posted by zoom44

2. Remove rear tires, rear wheel well trim, and exhaust trim Not 100% certain but I think a few people were able to install their exhausts without having to remove the tires or the trim...

also there were a couple of posts about hearing a rattle after install it turned out to be a hanger too close to something. just needed to be heated and bent. perhaps this has been fixed in later versions.

Notes from my install.....

--Just ramps at the back gave EXACTLY enough room to get the old bits out in one piece.

--A quick spray of SILICONE LUBE on each rubber hanger slid them off like 'sh1t off a shiny shovel'. Eased the new supports in so easy, I worried they might fall out!

-- I DID have to go back under and bend the support away from the differential, maybe half an inch, but, as zoom said, maybe that is fixed in later models.

(and made my own ground strap)

S

StealthL - What is the purpose of this grounding strap? Is it the same as the brightly colored kits I see sold for under the hood?
Craig

Disregard taking the wheels off. If you have a set of a ramps you'll have plenty of room to do the install.

I did mine in 45 minutes with the rear of the car on ramps. Using the silicone spray (or a little dishwashing liquid) will DRAMATICALLY reduce the removal/install process.

I just bought the system for $600 shipped to me. However before it gets here I wanted to ask those of you that have doen the installation already a few questions. What tools do I need to remove the stock pipe before the cat? The jangers can come lose with lube? And lastly, what the heck do i really need the ground for? Chime in!

I just bought the system for $600 shipped to me. However before it gets here I wanted to ask those of you that have doen the installation already a few questions. What tools do I need to remove the stock pipe before the cat? The jangers can come lose with lube? And lastly, what the heck do i really need the ground for? Chime in!

There are several posts on this already...

But I think 15 and 17mm sockets is all you need. Also, depending on the ramps you use (if you've got enough clearance), you probably won't have to mess with the exhaust finishers. With my Rhino ramps, I had to take off one of the finishers, and that was enough to slide the exhaust out.

Supposedly you'll trip a CEL if the ground is not properly installed...for this you'll need an M6 1.0 nut (metric 6) and an 8mm socket.

Originally posted by strong bad

With my Rhino ramps, I had to take off one of the finishers, and that was enough to slide the exhaust out.


I just finished my borla install a few hours ago. My biggest problem was w/ one of the spring bolts. I ended up taking it to the dealership and they put the last bolt on for free :)

I would reccomend taking them both off or at least popping them loose and pulling them out a bit. I tried pusing it out w/ only one finisher off and noticed i was jamming the exhaust into the brake line. So make sure you pay attention to where your brake line is.

I've looked around and haven't found this.

Does anyone know how much the borla weighs?

I believe the package weighed 44.5 lbs. If this helps at all. It is definately lighter then stock.