Hey, just bought a '06 shinka the other day, and it came with a license plate on the front as well, which doesn't look too great and I want to take it off.

Just want to know is there any regulations/laws stating that you DO or DON'T have to have a license plate on the front?

I know having one on the back is mandatory but duz that apply for the front too?

btw, this is for the Toronto area.

THanks

The front plate is mandatory in Ontario. That being said i took mine off the front of my 06 shinka over a year ago and havent had any problems with the cops. (now that i've said this i'm screwed!)

yes, 100% manditory in ontario. i removed mine as well. its in my front window now. and ZmFnZm, dont worry, i say it all the time and nothing yet. lol. I have noticed a few times ill be following a cop for a while and somehow they will end up behind me. once in downtown toronto a cruiser that i was behind for like 5 mins randomly pulled over and i passed him. then all of a sudden he was back out on the road again behind me. followed me for a while then turned off. thats happened more than once. i figure they see the plate in my window and see it as an excuse to pull me over, but they run my plates and see my record is imaculate and dont bother.

Lol, i've noticed the same thing!

I got away with it for almost a year then got a ticket from a cop doing speed radar. Then again randomly a month later. Now I just leave it on. Putting it in the windshield isn't any less illegal.

Can we cross the border without one?

Some states don't require it so its legal in the USA.

Now as a tourist could they enter your country?

I got away with it for almost a year then got a ticket from a cop doing speed radar. Then again randomly a month later. Now I just leave it on. Putting it in the windshield isn't any less illegal.

Did you install in a conventional format or did you get creative with it?

I didn't want to drill into my MS bumper so I cut off the bottom and zip tied it to the mesh.

Can we cross the border without one?

Some states don't require it so its legal in the USA.

Now as a tourist could they enter your country?

yea that's fine...Quebec doesn't require front plates and their cars don't get hassled here in Ontario

I'm not a very creative person. With my stock bumper it's just on the bracket. With the MS bumper it's ziptied to the grill.

Razz, if you aren't from the province you aren't expected to have a front plate.

Thief, what did you cut?

i hate putting it in my mirror because it can become a decapatation device very quickly in a crash.

plus it can scratch your dash board up, or get you in an accident as you try to adjust it or put it in.

I went a year without one, then last year in january, i got pulled over 3 times.

Even when I told the po i had the bracket in my trunk he wrote it up, and the third time i showed him the other two tickets and he wrote one up. Dbags.

The first year was fun, I was able to use the 400 quote from Markham Mazda as a pity card.

Just got tired of it all so now I run plated, but moved the bracket down a bit, so i dont have the buck tooth look on my 8.

Wouldn't attaching to the mesh block the CAI?

yep, but so does the stock setup, when did the pos ever care about our cai performance, i would love to get a custom euro style one

I'm not a very creative person. With my stock bumper it's just on the bracket. With the MS bumper it's ziptied to the grill.

Razz, if you aren't from the province you aren't expected to have a front plate.

Thief, what did you cut?

The "Yours to Discover" part of the plate.

^ Is that legal?

yep, but so does the stock setup, when did the pos ever care about our cai performance, i would love to get a custom euro style one

With a black surround mine kinda looks "euro". The black blends into the grill from a distance.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t250/leungyunching/rx8/msdrop2.jpg?t=1236234075

Is it legal? *shrug* it doesn't cover the license number...

Thank god Quebec doesn't require a front license plate.

^ Is that legal?

Haven't been pulled over for it yet. *knock on wood*

Hey, just bought a '06 shinka the other day, and it came with a license plate on the front as well, which doesn't look too great and I want to take it off.

Just want to know is there any regulations/laws stating that you DO or DON'T have to have a license plate on the front?

I know having one on the back is mandatory but duz that apply for the front too?

btw, this is for the Toronto area.

THanks
I had my bumper zip-tied also but had the dealership secure it to my MS grill. I got ticketed on my second run-in for the plate. Good thing I temporarily used the zip ties because the same cop was going onto the highway as I was exiting saw the plate and gave me the thumbs up!

I hate the fact that everyone remembers my car... :) Good thing he didn't say anything about the tint!

well.. if you don't mind the look of the plate on the lower drivers side of the car there's a pretty good DIY on how to relocate the plate evo style. I'll be ordering the parts from Mits this week to do that...

I dont like this law! Whats the point of having the front plate? With that being said the law is what it is and I would rather have my plate on then be talking to police

^ particularly if you are catless. Stupid friggin plate...

I dont like this law! Whats the point of having the front plate? With that being said the law is what it is and I would rather have my plate on then be talking to police

I agree... on both counts...

hense the relocation of the LP to a place where it wont mess up the air flow to anything.

I got away with it for almost a year then got a ticket from a cop doing speed radar. Then again randomly a month later. Now I just leave it on. Putting it in the windshield isn't any less illegal.

Yes it is legal in your front window. The law is, your front license plate has to be visible at the front of your car, it doesn't state it has to be MOUNTED on your front bumper, therefore having it in your window (for example) it is legal. That's my setup.

Can we cross the border without one?

Some states don't require it so its legal in the USA.

Now as a tourist could they enter your country?

Yes!! It is a province, or states own laws you have to/need to follow. Visitors/tourist say Quebec coming to Ontario will get away with it since their province doesn't require it and cops just let it go. I drove my car from NJ to home when I got it with NO plates on the car anywhere hehe.

well.. if you don't mind the look of the plate on the lower drivers side of the car there's a pretty good DIY on how to relocate the plate evo style. I'll be ordering the parts from Mits this week to do that...

If you like that look...I personally hate it, think it looks like a hack job.

As for what Thief did, that is legal, they only need to see the numbers.

Thank god Quebec doesn't require a front license plate.
Yea but then you have to live in Quebec :(

Yes it is legal in your front window. The law is, your front license plate has to be visible at the front of your car, it doesn't state it has to be MOUNTED on your front bumper, therefore having it in your window (for example) it is legal. That's my setup.
I've been pulled over for doing that. The plate has to be "unobstructed" and I guess the prick thought the windshield was an obstruction as it's not as visible from the front. I got a "warning/fix it" for it.

Since then I just took the plate off. I live in Ottawa so it's on the Quebec border... they just think I'm a Quebecer now :)

Yes!! It is a province, or states own laws you have to/need to follow. Visitors/tourist say Quebec coming to Ontario will get away with it since their province doesn't require it and cops just let it go. I drove my car from NJ to home when I got it with NO plates on the car anywhere hehe.
I once went to the US with a QC plated car and got pulled over for not having a front plate. The guy was so confused when I told him we had no front plates he just let me go :lol:

I've been pulled over for doing that. The plate has to be "unobstructed" and I guess the prick thought the windshield was an obstruction as it's not as visible from the front. I got a "warning/fix it" for it.


Then you got a prick, he can't give you a ticket for it, it won't hold up since it is not obstructed via in the window, as long as it can be seen. That's why in the winter I always make sure I clear the front side of my car and the window so it it can be seen.

Oh I don't disagree... just warning others that pricks will call you on it.

Actually I'm going to look into this on the HTA to see what the requirements are.

Here we go


plates, further violations

No other numbers to be exposed

13. (1) No number other than that upon the number plate furnished by the Ministry shall be exposed on any part of a motor vehicle or trailer in such a position or manner as to confuse the identity of the number plate. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 13 (1).

Number plate to be kept clean

(2) Every number plate shall be kept free from dirt and obstruction and shall be affixed so that the entire number plate, including the numbers, is plainly visible at all times, and the view of the number plate shall not be obscured or obstructed by spare tires, bumper bars, any part of the vehicle, any attachments to the vehicle or the load carried. 1994, c. 27, s. 138 (7).

Obstruction prohibited

(3) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being accurately photographed using a photo-radar system. 1993, c. 31, s. 2 (5).

Same

(3.0.1) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being accurately photographed using a red light camera system. 1998, c. 38, s. 2 (1).

Same

(3.1) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device or material that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being identified by an electronic toll system. 1996, c. 1, Sched. E, s. 2 (1).

Offence

(4) Every person who contravenes subsection (2), (3), (3.0.1) or (3.1) is guilty of an offence. 1993, c. 31, s. 2 (5); 1996, c. 1, Sched. E, s. 2 (2); 1998, c. 38, s. 2 (2).


The problem here is that it's very subjective, so you could end up with an enforced fine (worst case)

exactly...plainly visible...if you have mud all over your window and they can't see it, then yes you can be charged, same as having shit all over your plate that is mounted to your front or rear bumper. As long as the numbers are visible, with nothing in the way, you can put it anywhere on the front of your car, so long as it is readable. No where does it say it HAS to be mounted on your front bumper.

True, however the windshield itself can be an obstruction. It can cause glare, it covers the reflective surface of the plate, and it will sit at an angle as opposed to being perpendicular to the ground.

Hell I've gotten shit on for having a clear plastic cover over my rear plate.

I'm not saying they are correct, I am saying they are assholes and you need to be ready to deal with it because they have a whole bunch of reasons why every little thing could be an obstruction.

True...if they want to they can. I have the plastic cover on my rear plate as well...fuk it do as one likes and go from there.

had mine off for 2 months with no issues
i will get pulled over tomorow so i will keep you posted.

Find a family member or good friend living in Quebec and voila...!!

Plate your car in '' Je me souviens'' :lol2:

Yea but then you have to live in Quebec :(


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

but seriously, the law is subjective like you said wulf. honestly, when i get pulled over for this (im sure its gonna happen) i will basically play dumb and say i read the law and thought this was okay, guess i was wrong, ill switch it back tomorrow officer. lol. no point in being a prick to the cop or talking like you know the law better than them. thats what will get you a ticket. My friends dad actually got a ticket for one of those plastic covers like marc was talking about. the cover was ancient and all yellowed and nasty. the cop said he should either take it off or get a new clear one. the guy argued and the cop gave him a ticket because he argued.

I'm in Manitoba heres what I found about the licence plate issue. Even though It doesn't say I have to have a front and rear plate I'm sure I do. But It sounds like i can cut everything off the front plate except for the number and "Manitoba".
"Obstruction of number plate
4.25(1.1) (http://web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/statutes/ccsm/h060f.php#4.25(1.1)) No person shall drive or tow a vehicle on a highway if a number plate required to be displayed on the vehicle is obstructed in a manner that prevents or is capable of preventing any of the following information from being accurately captured by an image capturing enforcement system:
(a) the jurisdiction or authority that issued the number plate; (b) the numbers or letters that make up the vehicle's registration number. "
Anyone have any solutions to the front plate issue for Manitoba? And can I cut away the rest of the plate?

^ In ON it's illegal to cut off any piece of the plate.

Also, most "image capturing devices" capture the rear plate, not the front one.

I asked the prosecutor when I got my ticket if it was ok to bend the edges of the plate and I was told any deformation to the plate is illegal. I'd like to try getting away with having the plate in the windshield but I don't really feel like getting pulled over again.