View Full Version : Driving miss daisy at 250 KM/H!!!!!!


Smokin_LaLa
03-04-2009, 12:11 PM
Don't know if you guys read this the other day.......

http://www.thestar.com/GTA/Crime/article/595630

Makes prospect's former problem look real small!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheWulf
03-04-2009, 12:22 PM
I fucking hate how they put a picture of a huge accident right beside that.

I'm going to write to them about it

Thumper3322
03-04-2009, 12:23 PM
no shit!!

but it's fun driving that fast ;)

sw-ontarioguy
03-04-2009, 12:25 PM
Why is there a pic of an accident beside it? The first thing i said was "that's not a G35...." The guy is an IDIOT for driving that fast, and as far as I'm concerned should have his license yanked for 10 years or more. It makes no sence and is definitely un excuseable

rotarygreg
03-04-2009, 12:33 PM
no shit!!

but it would be fun driving that fast ;)

fixed. wouldnt want to imply you've done it. lol


I heard about this, it was all over the news the morning after it happened actually. what a jackass....150 over...how could you think thats a good idea? I mean, even if there is no one in sight on your side of the highway, if you loose control (which is pretty likely at thsoe speeds as most people arent the race car drivers they think they are) a little wall isnt gonna stop you from possibly hitting someone coming the other way and taking more lives than just your own. someone was caught doing 176km/h on the hanlon expressway recently too. the hanlon is either a 70km/h or 80km/h limit depending on what part you are on. so best case senario that guy was over twice the limit too.

Thumper3322
03-04-2009, 12:39 PM
lol!!!

Question - what do ppl think is a safe speed to drive, before ppl start ranting on about them?? Serious tho and don't say a fukin 100km/hr lol.

Smokin_LaLa
03-04-2009, 12:46 PM
On another note because of this, infiniti G35 sales just shot up!!!! hahaha jus kidding

I think that a good speed for the highway should be set at 120 km/h

Sanguine
03-04-2009, 01:04 PM
I'm really am thinking about making plans to get out of the Province soon rather than later. Norway seems like a really nice place...

Gyro_Bot
03-04-2009, 01:13 PM
On another note because of this, infiniti G35 sales just shot up!!!! hahaha jus kidding

I think that a good speed for the highway should be set at 120 km/h

I agree. The speed limits are so outdated, the only use they have, is to increase the charges when a police officer rights you a ticket. Yup, police need to earn their commission and cover their departments expenditures. Is it our fault the province doesn't pay the departments enough to cover costs? or is this just another example of greed and extortion?

If everyone did the speed limit, we'd remain stuck driving at speeds designed for the 70's family car.

I'm all for doing the speed limit, but listen.... if police officers drive the same speed as everyone else... guess what, just like grandma in the tercel, the officer is speeding too. In Japan, all vehicles are electronically capped to 120 Miles per hour. 120 mi. = 193.121 km. (I think there are some cases where the cap is lifted upon entering a GPS certified race way)

I don't know about you... but I think speed caps is probably the way to go. Provided they don't remove the enjoyment of driving a sports car.

You know what!? forget all this noise.... Make a law in our charter of human rights, completely prejudice against stupidity. That's right, stupidity should be illegal. Stupid people are a different species, they are not human. People can be charged for being stupid. What is stupid? ask forest gump. Let a man or woman's actions, incriminate them.

Sorry for the rant folks.... just so tired of all these stupid people, and all their stupid kids... and they just don't stop multiplying!

Thumper3322
03-04-2009, 01:24 PM
Agreed...but what about Germany with the Autobahn, and they have less accidents than us. Each lane or something should have a limit, fastest being 150 in my opinion and I have no problems capping a car at 160 or 170 as long as when you hit the track it is turned off, like Japan.

sw-ontarioguy
03-04-2009, 01:30 PM
I don't think raising the speed limit will change much. You will still have the guy who has to be first, and drives faster than everyone else, and you'll still have the old woman doin 20 below the limit. I was in Alberta for the whole summer last year, there major highways are 110, and secondary are 100. I didn't notice the road being safer or less safe from a drivers perspective, you just drove a lil quicker lol.

REV-illusions
03-04-2009, 01:57 PM
I fucking hate how they put a picture of a huge accident right beside that.

I'm going to write to them about it

That picture is from when they introduced the law... that was their "crushing of the two tuned civics". It's related to the law... not the car.

Agreed...but what about Germany with the Autobahn, and they have less accidents than us. Each lane or something should have a limit, fastest being 150 in my opinion and I have no problems capping a car at 160 or 170 as long as when you hit the track it is turned off, like Japan.

Only parts of the Autobahn have unrestricted speeds... and even in those sections you can be pulled over for "unsafe" driving.

And the only problem I got with the auto-capping is what happens when a new track is out... or if you go out of the country...

Rotary Mike
03-04-2009, 02:03 PM
fixed. wouldnt want to imply you've done it. lol


Don't worry, he hasn't driven that fast. I mean, he owns an RX8, he cant go that fast.

TheWulf
03-04-2009, 02:05 PM
That picture is from when they introduced the law... that was their "crushing of the two tuned civics". It's related to the law... not the car.

I get that, but my big problem is that they are flashing big words like "250km/h", "street racing" and that picture in the header when the person stopped was not even charged with street racing and did not even have an accident.

"Let's make this all look scary so we get more support for this illegal street racing law". Brainwashing at it's finest.

Rotary Mike
03-04-2009, 02:10 PM
I get that, but my big problem is that they are flashing big words like "250km/h", "street racing" and that picture in the header when the person stopped was not even charged with street racing and did not even have an accident.

"Let's make this all look scary so we get more support for this illegal street racing law". Brainwashing at it's finest.

Yeah, Maybe the Star wants to read my artcile

"Toronto Star Uses Paper!"
http://www.housefish.com/uploaded_images/SFI-799888.jpg

Thumper3322
03-04-2009, 02:13 PM
Don't worry, he hasn't driven that fast. I mean, he owns an RX8, he cant go that fast.

:) haha...never said it was in my 8. I would NEVER do that with the new laws. I've been in a viper at 300 on the 401, and me....well I haven't done that personally :uhh:...

I get that, but my big problem is that they are flashing big words like "250km/h", "street racing" and that picture in the header when the person stopped was not even charged with street racing and did not even have an accident.

"Let's make this all look scary so we get more support for this illegal street racing law". Brainwashing at it's finest.

+100000

REV-illusions
03-04-2009, 02:20 PM
I get that, but my big problem is that they are flashing big words like "250km/h", "street racing" and that picture in the header when the person stopped was not even charged with street racing and did not even have an accident.

"Let's make this all look scary so we get more support for this illegal street racing law". Brainwashing at it's finest.

heh... if that's your problem then it's the name of the retarded law that should be your main enemy. Everything is now "street racing or stunting"... rather then reported as some lone buttmonkey was caught "speeding".

Now whenever the cops get on the news they say they've busted <<insert 20 times the inflated value of actual charges here>> people "street racing", when yet again, they were just speeding. No racing involved at all.

You know... I never use to have a problem with authority. I pay may taxes... i follow the laws... all that crap. Never had a problem. Then this law gets created for the few utter retards that exist out there that do stupid shit like this (which according to the number of times it's been reported on the news since this law is at about 3 people(for crazy agressive speeding)), and now the rest of us have to suffer as the guy who could only magine to get C's in highschool gets to decide if he's going to impound your car because he feels like it.

I've been pulled over and threated to be charged with under the street racing law because according to the officer:

"even though you used your turn signal, you didn't leave enough room for the car behind you"

which was his opinion. which was also wrong. he ended up giving me a ticket for an unsafe lane change which is also bullshit because I did everything required. the only reason I got the ticket was because I was following another rx-8 and the cop was just an utter ass. Oh.. and I was threaten when he gave me the ticket that if I decided to fight it he would ask the prosecutor to increase the charge to reckless driving. Way to go police! You have most definately inspired me to trust you!

I hate this law. I hate the traffic cops. I hate this Liberal Party Leading Ontario. Hell. I HATE Ontario.

TheWulf
03-04-2009, 02:45 PM
^ it's things like THIS that make me want to put a camera in my car.

it's so f***ing sad that we have to resort to this.

rotarygreg
03-04-2009, 06:14 PM
i dont think the speed limits are outdated. canadians in general are terrible drivers. yes, studies show that speed isnt what causes accidents but raising the speeds would make those accidents much worse. we are so spoiled here. we have cell phones, DVD players, CD/MP3/WMA players, Ipods, Sat. radio, Nav systems (and im sure there are more gadgets im just forgetting) in our cars and we drive and play with them at the same time. Then you add in the people that think their conversation on their cell phone, or the station they are listening to or whatever is more important than the road infront of them. Now throw in people that just want to be first in line, others that wont signal, people going under the limit, people drivign way over the limit, drunk drivers, teenagers that know everything, some road rage, a few road side brake downs. its no wonder we arent all dead by now. If you increase the speeds, all this becomes even harder to deal with and the end results (accidents) have much worse effects at higher speeds. also, if the limit is now 100 and lets be honest, the fast lane moves on average just under 140. Then you increase the limit to say 120. now you have people doing 160, even up to 170 beacuse they just dont want to break that magic number. its just not a good idea. too many people here with their own cars. too many distractions and too many people that think they deserve to be first no matter what. What is really needed is the perfect public transit system. if ontario could get that done (which really isnt possible because of how spread out everyhting is) then we could eleviate alot of the congestion and fewer accidents and so on.

9291150
03-04-2009, 07:00 PM
The guy is an IDIOT for driving that fast, and as far as I'm concerned should have his license yanked for 10 years or more. It makes no sence and is definitely un excuseable

So the laws here - the most severe in North America - aren't severe enought eh?

YOU'RE the idiot.

rotarygreg
03-04-2009, 07:23 PM
So the laws here - the most severe in North America - aren't severe enought eh?

YOU'RE the idiot.


dude, you honestly think that a 7 day lisence/car impound and a 2000-10 000 dollar fine and some points is adequit punishiment for this kind of reckless behaviour? I know everyone's entitled to their own opinion....but well....my opinion clearly differs from yours. I just think that if he had hit another car, even nicked one, it would be over for him and whoever else was in said vehicle. that would be bad enough, but then what if that was someone i knew, or cared about. And all thats motivating stupid people to not do this sort of thing is a 2000-10 000 dollar fine and some points on their lisence. It almost seems silly to have to put a law like this in effect as you would hope citizens would be responsible enough, but maybe there should be a law saying if you are more than 100km/h over the posted limit you should lose your lisence forever and also have to walk around with "im an idiot" tattoo on your forehead.

the fact is, this guy decided it was okay to go 2.5X the legal limit. that is more than just speeding. i could almost defend somone doing 150 in a 100 if you are just space caddeting and look down and are going way faster than you though, but 250 is blatent "im going to drive as fast as i possibly can, i dont care about laws or the life of any poor person that i happen to cross paths with". you willfully chose that knowing the possible outcome. You need to be raked over the coals for it. and i honestly hope there is no getting out of this one. no suing the car manufacterer for making a car that fast. nothing. just him, paying the maximum penalty our courts allow (which should be more by about 2.5X for this specific case).

sw-ontarioguy
03-04-2009, 07:36 PM
You're kidding me right? Tell me how losing his license for 10 years is a bad thing? If you get caught driving drunk (whether you're in an accident or not) you lose your license for a year, get fined, and possible jail time. With street racing, you "could" get a 7 day suspension, and you do get a fine. If you are caught again, you get suspended for up to 10 years.

So, are you trying to say the guy who gets caught for 50 km/h over the speed limit should get the same fine as the guy going TRIPLE that? Doesn't make a lot of sence to me.

sw-ontarioguy
03-04-2009, 07:44 PM
So the laws here - the most severe in North America - aren't severe enought eh?

YOU'RE the idiot.

You're kidding me right? Tell me how losing his license for 10 years is a bad thing? If you get caught driving drunk (whether you're in an accident or not) you lose your license for a year, get fined, and possible jail time. With street racing, you "could" get a 7 day suspension, and you do get a fine. If you are caught again, you get suspended for up to 10 years.

So, are you trying to say the guy who gets caught for 50 km/h over the speed limit should get the same fine as the guy going TRIPLE that? Doesn't make a lot of sence to me.

nate340
03-04-2009, 09:32 PM
what you need to remember its quite easy to do 50 km/h over the speed limit while remaining save. there are a lot more dangerous things people can do while driving.

rotarygreg
03-04-2009, 09:48 PM
what you need to remember its quite easy to do 50 km/h over the speed limit while remaining save. there are a lot more dangerous things people can do while driving.

like going 150 over. lol

9291150
03-04-2009, 10:06 PM
Geez, haven't you guys ever run your cars through the gears at WOT, or tried a high speed run down a deserted road, or drifted around a corner. Hell, I have a bike that can hit 250 in <11 seconds, guess they should be outlawed eh? Now if you've done nothing of the sort, than maybe you should be driving a nice beige automatic Corolla...

And before you start with the take it to the track BS - yeah sure, I've done every track in Ontario but I'm not there every week. I understand that enthusiasts will - hopefully on the right road and conditions and with minimal risk - will have "fun" with their cars, like they did since the beginning of time! They're taking a risk and if caught, then they'll have to suck it up - the guy got caught and by all means he should pay. But if you're telling me (which you are) that $10000 fines and impound and lost licences and insurance repercussions and unprecedented police powers aren't enough - than give me a freak'n break!

There are far more dangerous people out there on our roads that cops do nothing with. For example; the number one killer of motorcyclists are people who turn left right in front of us and all they get is a citation - the 'ole "didn't see 'em" get's them off every time! Hell, we live in such a serious safety minded province so concerned for our wellbeing (thanks McGuinty & Fantino!) that they're still debating outlawing cell phones in cars...safety? What a freak'n joke! Keep your desire for a even bigger nanny / police state to yourselves, you both are not helping any of us.

RIWWP
03-04-2009, 10:30 PM
I have been watching this thread for a bit, but have to comment now. Please don't take this as someone trying to justify what he was doing. He shouldn't have been doing it, and was caught, and will have to face the consequences. I also am against street racing etc. etc. etc.

However nearly every single reference made by the article and people yelling for him to be slammed includes "IF <x> happened".

Where do we draw the "IF" line? When is it acceptable to use "IF" and when isn't it?

I drive down a city street every single day, with sidewalks on the side, and a posted 40mph speed limit (~60kph?) 40mph is certainly fast enough to kill someone that steps out in the road in front of me. Why don't I get charged every day for driving the legal speed limit because "IF someone steps out I might kill them?" Why don't I get charged with various fines every day because "IF I hadn't have used the brake, I would have hit the person in front of me?" Why don't I have video cameras in my house linked to the local PD station, because "IF I don't eat properly, I might die!". What about aviation. There are speeds from 200mph to 500mph. "What if ice developed and it fell out of the sky!" Why not just ground all aircraft because of the inherent danger "WHAT IF" poses to the people on the ground? When a plane crashes and barely misses a house, does the airline have a valid criminal charge because someone on the ground might have died if it crashed just a bit different? "WHAT IF" that doctor didn't properly close that artery? He should be charged with attempted murder!

A bit ludicrous, I know. But where is the line? Where is the line between penalizing someone for what they DID and not for what MIGHT HAVE happened?

The guy was doing 2.5x the speed limit. Reckless speeding/driving yes. But throwing the book at him with "WHAT IF" as a justification is not justice.

mikefrombarrie
03-04-2009, 10:51 PM
Why is there a pic of an accident beside it? The first thing i said was "that's not a G35...." The guy is an IDIOT for driving that fast, and as far as I'm concerned should have his license yanked for 10 years or more. It makes no sence and is definitely un excuseable


You would "yank" his license away for 10 years becasue he saw an opening and floored it, reaching a speed of 250km/h at 12:30am with little or no traffic.

"sw-ontarioguy" you are the idiot

Next time when I am driving on the highway and see a RX-8 going 99km/h in the left lane, I will know that its you. :icon_tup:

SV650S
03-04-2009, 11:07 PM
those speeds on a highway are extremely dangerous...however I've been in excess of 240km/h on a public road (i mean on a race track for all u opp out there) so have almost all of my friends, my father, my brother... it happens. u get that urge one day to just make everything else disappear and get that clean rush of adrenalin as u accelerate. U wont learn any better untill u get caught. I did (123 in a 60) luckly before the new law came out. what im getting at is even tho its unsafe and frowned upon, it happens and people change in time. u learn once u probably wont do it again or just will learn how to not get caught ;) 10 years sounds retarded... give them a week then a few months then a year or 2, people change.

rotarygreg
03-05-2009, 07:10 AM
those speeds on a highway are extremely dangerous...however I've been in excess of 240km/h on a public road (i mean on a race track for all u opp out there) so have almost all of my friends, my father, my brother... it happens. u get that urge one day to just make everything else disappear and get that clean rush of adrenalin as u accelerate. U wont learn any better untill u get caught. I did (123 in a 60) luckly before the new law came out. what im getting at is even tho its unsafe and frowned upon, it happens and people change in time. u learn once u probably wont do it again or just will learn how to not get caught ;) 10 years sounds retarded... give them a week then a few months then a year or 2, people change.

I hope people change in time, before someone gets hurt. the problem is thats not always the case and just because there is little or no traffic doesnt mean its safe to go that fast. ya, when you are traveling at 120km/h and there is no one infront of you, there is no traffic, but you catch up to anyone on the road real fast going 250 and like i said before, the dividing wall really isnt enough to keep 3000lbs going 250km/h from going over and into someone on the other side of the road.

i cant believe how people are calling sw-ontarioguy an idiot like he offended you personally. opinion people. no need for name calling.

REV-illusions
03-05-2009, 08:45 AM
You would "yank" his license away for 10 years becasue he saw an opening and floored it, reaching a speed of 250km/h at 12:30am with little or no traffic.

"sw-ontarioguy" you are the idiot

Next time when I am driving on the highway and see a RX-8 going 99km/h in the left lane, I will know that its you. :icon_tup:


ok... couple things. First.. it's a bit harsh calling him an idiot... he's entitled to his opinion just as you are.

Second.. there's acouple things to remember about this case.
a) I'm not sure if you've noticed... but... hey.. it's winter. The roads aren't what anyone would call good condition right now. Hell.. I've seen potholes on the roads that look more like ditchs. Hitting something like that at 250kpm would not end well.

b) the tires that the dude was running weren't even remotely rated for that speed. If one of his tires blew out... well.. "clean up in lane 4".

RIWWP
03-05-2009, 08:56 AM
Again....IF IF IF IF.

I agree with your opinion, but "IF" isn't justice. "DID" is. He clearly didn't have a blow out or hit a pothole. maybe it was only a matter of time, but he could have had summer tires (yes illegally and the PD didn't notice/comment), and that stretch could have been pothole free. Don't judge this guy on "IF".

sw-ontarioguy
03-05-2009, 09:34 AM
Geez, haven't you guys ever run your cars through the gears at WOT, or tried a high speed run down a deserted road, or drifted around a corner. Hell, I have a bike that can hit 250 in <11 seconds, guess they should be outlawed eh? Now if you've done nothing of the sort, than maybe you should be driving a nice beige automatic Corolla...

And before you start with the take it to the track BS - yeah sure, I've done every track in Ontario but I'm not there every week. I understand that enthusiasts will - hopefully on the right road and conditions and with minimal risk - will have "fun" with their cars, like they did since the beginning of time! They're taking a risk and if caught, then they'll have to suck it up - the guy got caught and by all means he should pay. But if you're telling me (which you are) that $10000 fines and impound and lost licences and insurance repercussions and unprecedented police powers aren't enough - than give me a freak'n break!

There are far more dangerous people out there on our roads that cops do nothing with. For example; the number one killer of motorcyclists are people who turn left right in front of us and all they get is a citation - the 'ole "didn't see 'em" get's them off every time! Hell, we live in such a serious safety minded province so concerned for our wellbeing (thanks McGuinty & Fantino!) that they're still debating outlawing cell phones in cars...safety? What a freak'n joke! Keep your desire for a even bigger nanny / police state to yourselves, you both are not helping any of us.

We aren't talking about "drifting around a corner" or "running the gears at WOT" We're talking about some dude had so few brain cells, he thought it would be a good idea to drive 250 km/h at night, in the winter, on the 401.

Personally, no I've never done such a stupid thing, but I should be driving a carolla? Does that go for just me personally, or everyone who hasn't had a brain fart and drove 250 down the road? Cus if that's the case, you're gonna see, 5 rx'8 on the road? 99.5% of cars will be carollas.

Outlaw bikes? where are you comming up with this? The cars hiting bikes while turning left, I agree, it's a joke, and should be treated as a regular accident, as if you hit a car. Driving a bike puts you at greater risk, and you assume it by driving it. If you hit a deer and die because you were thrown off your bike, should deer be outlawd?

Outlawing cell phones wouldn't be the end of the world, clearly you havn't seen how ignorant some people are when they're on the phone and trying to drive. (realize i said some, not all)

Finally, the fines are 2000$-10000$, so he could get off for less. Impound his car for 7 days. WOW that'll teach his ass ;). Suspend his lisence for 7 days!. Oh, wait, HIS CAR IS IMPOUNDED ANYWAYS. Take a week off work, big deal. Insurance goes up. Well yea, it will probly, but it doesnt mean its not still affordable. His rates could go from 120 to 220$ Big deal, my rates are higher than that now, and I have a clean record.

Now I know you're trying to defend this guy ( i have no idea why) But what is stopping him from doing it again? If he gets caught for "racing" again, he loses his lisence for 2-10 years. Lets skip the 2nd time and suspend it now is all I'm saying. Maybe 10 years is too harsh, give him 5, or 7, or whatever, but 7 days is a joke.

REV-illusions
03-05-2009, 10:53 AM
Again....IF IF IF IF.

I agree with your opinion, but "IF" isn't justice. "DID" is. He clearly didn't have a blow out or hit a pothole. maybe it was only a matter of time, but he could have had summer tires (yes illegally and the PD didn't notice/comment), and that stretch could have been pothole free. Don't judge this guy on "IF".

Sorry dude... he DIDN'T have tires that were rated for that speed.. no IF's involved. It was a stupid thing to do, completely unsafe.

The whole point of laws are the "IF"'s. There is a max speed limit of XXX because IF you're going over that the chances of death go up. Childern aren't allowed access to guns because IF they did they could accidently kill themselves. etc

Basically all you're saying is that it's alright to do whatever you want as long as no one gets hurt. Well sorry man... there's always going to be that chance. It's all cool if you want to risk your own life, but when you're in a public setting you're risking the lives of others.

SV650S
03-05-2009, 10:55 AM
Spend a week with no car trying to get to work, go buy groceries, even run to the corner store at -10 out and tell me how eager you are to speed after it (ive never had a suspension but could imagine)

Maffu313
03-05-2009, 11:17 PM
Sorry dude... he DIDN'T have tires that were rated for that speed.. no IF's involved. It was a stupid thing to do, completely unsafe.



I'm surprised his tires didn't blow out. and going at 250 km/h...I seriously wonder about how he managed to keep his car under control with the crappy roads in Toronto, from what I remember hwy 400 around finch is filled with potholes...unless they fixed it since I last passed by there.

On a side note:
"More than 10,000 people have been charged under the stunt-racing legislation since it took effect last year, Woodford said.

An average of 22 people are charged each day, almost one every hour."

O_O THIS MANY PEOPLE everyday?

Maffu313
03-05-2009, 11:21 PM
Again....IF IF IF IF.

I agree with your opinion, but "IF" isn't justice. "DID" is. He clearly didn't have a blow out or hit a pothole. maybe it was only a matter of time, but he could have had summer tires (yes illegally and the PD didn't notice/comment), and that stretch could have been pothole free. Don't judge this guy on "IF".

FYI there's no law in ontario that says you have to have winter tires...at least not yet..and from what I've heard, I think he was on winter tires.

RIWWP
03-05-2009, 11:35 PM
Im not saying it was right. Im not trying to justify what he did do. It was stupid, it was illegal, and he deserves what he gets. Im just saying, expanding the severity of what he did do based on as many IFs as you can think of isn't justice.

rotarygreg
03-06-2009, 07:21 AM
Im not saying it was right. Im not trying to justify what he did do. It was stupid, it was illegal, and he deserves what he gets. Im just saying, expanding the severity of what he did do based on as many IFs as you can think of isn't justice.

how would you feel if you get a ticket for doing 50 km/h over the limit and you get the same penalty as this guy who did 150km/h over? thats why his punishment should be more severe. period.

Maffu313
03-06-2009, 09:08 AM
how would you feel if you get a ticket for doing 50 km/h over the limit and you get the same penalty as this guy who did 150km/h over? thats why his punishment should be more severe. period.

so true! but if that's the case, next time you're going at 150, then might as well just floor it to top speed and get a thrill xD :lol2:

mikefrombarrie
03-06-2009, 09:54 AM
So having a sports car traveling over the speed limit is just as dangerous as having a semi-trailer truck drive over the speed limit?

Think about this : "Stopping distance for a truck is dramatically greater than a car - for a speed of 60 mph it takes a car about 120 feet to stop, but a semi-truck needs about 440 feet to stop"

What about when youre driving on snow pack highway and you have a semi-trialer truck fly by you. If it takes him 440feet to top on dry pavement, think about the stopping distance on snow. Yet, it's normal for the law enforcement and the public. But when some person in a car travels over "50km/h" they hand out a "death" sentence and worst of all the public is all for it.

Maybe the REAL issue should be about the traffic thats in the GTA, The condition of some of the roads?


There is NOTHING faster then motorcycles on public roads right now. Some of the riders do push it over board. But how many times do you read or hear that a highway was closed because of an accident involving a motorcycle. Semi-trailer trucks seem always to be involved.

sw-ontarioguy
03-06-2009, 12:06 PM
You can't put too much blame on a semi for an accident. A lot of the times it's simply because they can't stop in time for an accident happening in front of them. Or, it's some idiot cruising along in there blind spot that they can't see. Speeding for any kind of a truck isn't a huge issue. All trucks are governed to 120 km/h or less, and I think we've all agreed that 120 km/h is still a safe driving speed. Also, most truck drivers take more care when driving compared to the average person on a vehicle, because they are aware of the threat they pose.

I'm not trying ot bash you down Mike, we all have oppinions here. GTA road conditions do suck, but if they were great, does that mean we can forget about speed limits?

I do agree the real issue is "traffic" in general. There are a lot of stupid drivers out there, and it doesn't take much to become a statistic. But the fact is, there will ALWAYS be stupid drivers, hell just look at the people on Canada's Worst Driver. With all honesty, they scare me more than the guy driving 250 km/h

Maffu313
03-07-2009, 12:44 AM
Actually there's quite a number of truck drivers that are barely awake, as they sometimes drive for in excess of 12 hrs, cross-country. But yes, it's not usually the truckers themselves that cause the accidents...it's those idiots who cut right infront of the truckers causing them to full brake and what not. the REAL problem and the cause of most traffic accidents are the result of Ontario's crappy licensing process. All the road test tests for is how well a person can follow the rules and traffic laws DURING the test itself (which they can easily break afterwards when driving everyday). The driving test isn't even a test for the skill of the driver! That's why we have tons of those grandma's on the road that are more of an obstruction to the road. Whenever they see something that MAY possibly go wrong, all they do is slam the pedals...and hope that the one they slammed is the brakes and not the gas. But either way, even if you slam the brakes, the person behind probably won't be able to stop in time even if they do react fast, and thus causing an accident. Then there's the problem of the road conditions in Ontario...Toronto roads are so crap that I can't even drive in a straight line if i don't want the possibility of trashing my car in huge, deep pot holes! Y With all honesty, they scare me more than the guy driving 250 km/h Atleast the guy going at 250 km/h would probably see me and try to avoid me, well that's the only way he can probably crash into me. Unlike those other idiots on the road, cutting out onto the highway from on ramps travelling at 30 km/h before the dotted line even starts >.> almost got killed that time

Footman
03-07-2009, 09:09 AM
My winters are rated for 240 km/h... :)

qtwre
03-07-2009, 11:07 AM
Please Footman, tell us more about your winter tires. We haven't yet heard enough about them in the other 200 posts you've made about them.

Footman
03-07-2009, 11:09 AM
I know eh... I'm just sad to know that not more people are running these great tires.. and I don't work for Dunlop.

Maffu313
03-07-2009, 08:18 PM
did they cost a fortune? LOL I'm running on hankooks...came with the car when i bought it second-hand a week ago, but thinking of changing it once these get worn out, though they still do have quite a bit of tread left.

shazy
03-08-2009, 01:07 AM
/\ Damn you already posted 31 posts in 3 days?
Wtf.

Good thing I'm not in Ontario. But seriously in Quebec, cops are pretty damn ludicrous with the IF's and are pretty corrupt at times.

SV650S
03-08-2009, 11:28 AM
Atleast the guy going at 250 km/h would probably see me and try to avoid me, well that's the only way he can probably crash into me. Unlike those other idiots on the road, cutting out onto the highway from on ramps travelling at 30 km/h before the dotted line even starts >.> almost got killed that time
+1 on that experience i almost saw god as im moving 120 and had to whip into the fast lane to avoid someone doing 30 merging in before the dotted. i didnt know i could drift across 3 lanes and back that many times without spinning out. I actually even got pulled over and questioned after stating an off duty cop driving ahead of me saw me drifting in his rear view across the entire highway. The officers (3 cars) that pulled me over actually said they are letting me off with a warning and to not do it again, not even kidding i got a warning for not writing off my 8 into the back of a corolla.

shazy
03-08-2009, 12:41 PM
+1 on that experience i almost saw god as im moving 120 and had to whip into the fast lane to avoid someone doing 30 merging in before the dotted. i didnt know i could drift across 3 lanes and back that many times without spinning out. I actually even got pulled over and questioned after stating an off duty cop driving ahead of me saw me drifting in his rear view across the entire highway. The officers (3 cars) that pulled me over actually said they are letting me off with a warning and to not do it again, not even kidding i got a warning for not writing off my 8 into the back of a corolla.

We don't need people like you, you people are a disgrace to this country and to the law. Speeders should be banned for driving for a total of 1 month to learn their appropriate lesson. You are lucky you didn't die you fool.
































Lol just kidding, that's pretty crazy! Well I can understand why they wouldn't give you a ticket, but they just gave you a warning. Well you had to suddenly move due to a very slow driver that you couldve crashed into and most of your actions were pretty good except for speeding :)

Well you really are lucky because that cop mustve been pretty chill... other assholes wouldve just given you a big ass ticket stating that you were RECKLESS driving.

Maffu313
03-08-2009, 02:45 PM
Well you really are lucky because that cop mustve been pretty chill... other assholes wouldve just given you a big ass ticket stating that you were RECKLESS driving.

the cops were probably in a rush to get to their tim hortons/country style for their coffee + doughnut break xD and they realized that giving him a ticket would've taken too long, so they went with a warning instead :lol:

climacus
03-14-2009, 03:18 PM
The problem here isn't speeding, but lack of attention and discipline. First we need to completely ban cellphone use in car. Second, all trucks should be restricted to the slowest right lane only, no exception. Finally, we need better informatics along our highway system. There should be electronic signs *everywhere* telling people the traffic condition ahead, average speed, pothole alerts etc.

Maffu313
03-16-2009, 09:23 PM
The problem here isn't speeding, but lack of attention and discipline. First we need to completely ban cellphone use in car. Second, all trucks should be restricted to the slowest right lane only, no exception. Finally, we need better informatics along our highway system. There should be electronic signs *everywhere* telling people the traffic condition ahead, average speed, pothole alerts etc.

now wouldn't we all love that! =) if only all the roads in toronto were as good at the autobahn too! xD

shazy
03-17-2009, 12:37 AM
The problem here isn't speeding, but lack of attention and discipline. First we need to completely ban cellphone use in car. Second, all trucks should be restricted to the slowest right lane only, no exception. Finally, we need better informatics along our highway system. There should be electronic signs *everywhere* telling people the traffic condition ahead, average speed, pothole alerts etc.


It will never happen and Cellphones are already banned to be used in the car. Please tell me that you've never spoke on the phone while driving, speeding, having fun. You are just being a bit hypocritical, I just love how people do this sometimes...

Anyway We already have Screens telling us about stuff (hurray for montreal...) that had happened ahead and warning signs. Also don't you think you are being a bit over the top? A difference would be as the right lane is slow/truck lane, middle lane is completely normal, and the left lane is the FAST lane. I think this is how things should work. Don't ya think, eh?

Maffu313
03-17-2009, 02:32 PM
It will never happen and Cellphones are already banned to be used in the car. Please tell me that you've never spoke on the phone while driving, speeding, having fun. You are just being a bit hypocritical, I just love how people do this sometimes...

Anyway We already have Screens telling us about stuff (hurray for montreal...) that had happened ahead and warning signs. Also don't you think you are being a bit over the top? A difference would be as the right lane is slow/truck lane, middle lane is completely normal, and the left lane is the FAST lane. I think this is how things should work. Don't ya think, eh?

In Ontario, we don't have cellphones banned yet so people still use it xD and we also do have those electronic signs that tell what's up ahead (whether the road is moving slowly, moving well or w.e) and then the lane thing. There are those guidelines for the lanes (fast, medium, slow), but it's just that most drivers don't follow it >=[ (especially those trucks that drive on the 'fast' lane but are really slow >.>)

REV-illusions
03-17-2009, 04:01 PM
I thought the cellphone ban had already passed... meh.. I tried searching the gov site but can't really find it. Basically states that they've purposed the ban.. but it hasn't gone any further then that. Either way.. if you're in an accident and you're caught using a cellphone you can be.. "charged with Careless Driving under the Highway Traffic Act — or even Dangerous Driving, a criminal offence."


Just an FYI ;)

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/news/statements/stat081028.shtml

REV-illusions
03-17-2009, 04:04 PM
There are those guidelines for the lanes (fast, medium, slow), but it's just that most drivers don't follow it >=[ (especially those trucks that drive on the 'fast' lane but are really slow >.>)

RaaRRRrR! There's no such thing as a fast or medium lane!!!! Anything to the left is for passing slower traffic on the right. If you're not passing someone you're suppose to be in the right hand lane. Pisses me off. I was amazed that in certain stretches of the states on the highways everyone was driving in the right lane and only went into the left to pass. Was craziness. Traffic moved so well.

Gyro_Bot
03-17-2009, 04:52 PM
Don't worry, he hasn't driven that fast. I mean, he owns an RX8, he cant go that fast.

Hahahahaha ouch.... and yet so true.

It's kind of nice.... the best aspect of the car (IMHO) is the sick brakes. "So what's the best part of your car!?"

Gyro Bot: "The brakes".

"Laugh all you want... I've stopped my car so fast I thought the airbags were going to deploy"

One more stupid dog lives one more day. I love dogs, even stupid ones! and I like people, just not stupid ones. If only you could tell them apart when they cross the road..... ahhh..... before braking. Woops! did I say that!?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qFiyjwMlP0Y/SREMTio_LoI/AAAAAAAAAXI/3EC_TmYpCI0/s400/motivation_incompetence.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_U4n4doyBGZs/RsktJ73JA7I/AAAAAAAAA8Q/rq94EPUougg/s400/motivation+5+mistakes.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-669uKOJR0)

SV650S
03-18-2009, 10:39 AM
We don't need people like you, you people are a disgrace to this country and to the law. Speeders should be banned for driving for a total of 1 month to learn their appropriate lesson. You are lucky you didn't die you fool.
































Lol just kidding, that's pretty crazy! Well I can understand why they wouldn't give you a ticket, but they just gave you a warning. Well you had to suddenly move due to a very slow driver that you couldve crashed into and most of your actions were pretty good except for speeding :)

Well you really are lucky because that cop mustve been pretty chill... other assholes wouldve just given you a big ass ticket stating that you were RECKLESS driving.



You could say i was speeding but really 120 on the 403 is the flow of traffic... wasnt passing anyone and was being passed by ppl in the fast lane