i found this, that says that mazda is making the 2005 millenia.
i hope it wont be as bad as the washu.http://www.mscw.com (scroll down)

i own the 2001 millenia, needs more power,space,navigation,and redisign.

Actually, a couple of dealers have told me that the Millenia will return and with the Miller Cycle engine. Of course, it will be bigger and have more power and the 2005 time frame is about right. Not much else is know at this time.

I have a 99 Millenia S and I love it. I'll be trading it in on the RX-8 this summer, and I think I am really going to miss it. It has the Miller Cycle engine in it and it is amazing how much power that little 2.3 liter blown engine produces. Mazda engineers had it together when the developed that engine. Smooth as silk and lots of power. I hope they do bring the Millenia back. They need to keep a bigger car in their lineup than the 6. The Millenia's with the 2.5 V-6 kinda suck. They are underpowered. That's a big heavy car for that engine.

The Millenia is way too small. The steeringwheel is always too low and my legs touches everything. The handbrake is also in the way

In the back I can sit just right, but the space isn't really great. The Mazda6 even got more space

So they have to do a lot at Mazda

BTW: I'm 1.95m

i own a 2001 millenia and the engine is not as good as other millenias but when you hit 80 mph u get a nice ride,the interior is small but nice too,i hope they will give the 2005 millenia WASHU ligths on the front,and an interior with WASHU features:)

I seriously doubt the Millenia will return. If I am wrong it most definitely wont come with the miller cycle. A great motor, but too dirty emissions wise, and there really isn't a big advantage in either hp or economy anymore to do miller cycle. Think about it, the 3.0L V6 in the 6 makes 220hp and gets 20/27 mpg. the 2.3L Miller Cycle made 210hp and got the same mileage. I guarantee the 3.0L costs way less to make.

Maybe there will be a Mazda9, or something, but i think Mazda has made it clear, in public statements, that they realize they don't have the name panache to compete with brands like Cadillac, BMW, Jaguar or Lexus.

Well......there will be 9 new Mazda's in 3 years (100% sure). So count with me:

1. Mazda2 (next Demio)
2. Mazda3 (next 323/Protege)
3. Mazda4 (next Premacy)
4. Mazda8 (next MPV)
5. MX-5
6. RX-7
7. RX-8

So there is space for a next Tribute ánd an other car. So prehaps it wíll be a new Xedos 9 / Millenia

If they want to make a new Millenia (or 9 here in Europe...) they must a DAMN REAL GOOD WORK to challenge with competitors both in EU than in USA.....

There will be cannibalizing problems.... (in EU think about Jaguar x and S type or volvo....) in Eu it's necessary a 6 cylinders diesel, and forward wheel drive is not a good deal for keep the zoom-zoom alive in a car of this size ( 4,80 mt and almost 1600 kgs)......a lot of problems.....

Originally posted by MattFast
Well......there will be 9 new Mazda's in 3 years (100% sure). So count with me:

1. Mazda2 (next Demio)
2. Mazda3 (next 323/Protege)
3. Mazda4 (next Premacy)
4. Mazda8 (next MPV)
5. MX-5
6. RX-7
7. RX-8

So there is space for a next Tribute ánd an other car. So prehaps it wíll be a new Xedos 9 / Millenia

i think the mazda6 has to be included in the 9 new models, so that only leaves one space open. unless there were to be 10 before the mazda6?

Mattfast had forgotten the 6...
I think Millenia will remain only for japan and USA.... in Europe is simply too hard compete in the "Executive saloons" segment.....but hope is the last dying thing...

Yeah, you're probably right

talking about future models.....
I had read on rotarynews.com or another site that japanese managers have talked in this way: " if the request of new rotary models it will be high we have planned a line of rotary powered cars".
For me that means that there are possibilities of a reborn of cosmo model , wich is still beloved in Japan and around the world.... (but only with good sales of 8 and 7)

I would think it would be more likely to see another rotary powered car, or perhaps a small sport coupe, a la RSX/Celica/GTI/Eclipse, etc. Ideally, I'd like to see it with the 210hp rotary from the base RX-8, with rear drive. Talk about a segment killer :D

I still think the Millenia is about as dead as it can get. If anything it will be an exceptionally sporty sedan, not a cushy luxury car. But I just don't see it happening.

Now, I don't know how many new/remodeled cars Mazda will introduce in the next X number of years, but there will be a new Tribute in 2005-2006. Maybe even a Hybrid version if Ford plays nice and shares. The Millenia will also reappear with a bigger body and bigger, stronger Miller Cycle engine.

If Mazda wants to be a Japanese BMW, it will need to fill certain segments. They have done an excellent job with the 6 and the soon to be released hatchback, wagon, and MazdaSpeed versions. But they need a bigger, more powerful, more luxurious model to complete with the BMW 5 series, Audi A6, and so on.

I could easily see Mazda stealing a Volvo S80 chassis and putting a really nice engine in there.

Currently, I'm a little doubtful that the Mazda2 or 4 will be making it over here. The Mazda2 is not selling as well as expected in Japan. Time will only tell where the next trend in the US market will be. I can see wagons and crossovers taking over where the SUV have ruled for so many years.

Actually, my wife, who loves big, tall SUV's, is considering a wagon solely on gas mileage. We both really like the 2003 Land Rover Discovery, but the gas mileage (12-14 mpg) is suppose to even worse than the 500HP Viper. Not that financially paying for gas is an issue, just that thought of wasting that much gas is a little troublesome for everyday use.

Currently, I'm a little doubtful that the Mazda2 or 4 will be making it over here. The Mazda2 is not selling as well as expected in Japan

For as I know the Mazda2 ís selling good in Japan. But I also don't think the Mazda2 nor 4 will make it to America. Because the Demio and Premacy also didn't make it there

I can see wagons and crossovers taking over where the SUV have ruled for so many years.

Yep, that's what I think, too

About Mazda going higher up: yes, they must do a lot to do that, but it just won't work! The Xedos 6 en 9.....I never see those cars. That also counts for the Nissan Maxima and Toyota Camry. Large cars from normal brands won't sell (here in Europe). Please Mazda, let the Mazda6 be your top-model, and leave it that way. Only Toyota can build cars with the right luxery image; LEXUS!

I agree that Toyota/Lexus is very good at making a luxury car, but they are usually very boring. I'm talking about a sporty luxo car.

Mazda has done a great job with the 6 from the low end with the 2.3L I4 to a loaded 220HP V6. Good range and very sporty. Pretty much every single comparison survey I've seen from the car magazines have listed the 6 as first or second (usually behind the new Accord).

I think Mazda can reproduce this success with a larger Millenia/9, but don't restrict yourself to only considering cars that Mazda currently makes in Japan. I could easily see Mazda taking a great, proven chassis like the Volvo S80 and adding the Mazda touch to it. That vehicle would easily compete with the likes of Maxima or Camry and even the likes of Lexus GS300 and BMW 530i.

can some one explain and tell wat the miller cycle engine is? thank u:)

Originally posted by state island
can some one explain and tell wat the miller cycle engine is? thank u:)

Good link: http://www.mazda.co.nz/technology/1022.html

max, if you will make a 9 with s80 chassis there's no way to compete completely with Lexus and Bmw.....simply because they have a rear wheel drive chassis wich in this class
is unsostituible for good drive dynamics and pleasant steering feeling. (power and weight of engines and overall weight)

Though the S80 chassis is FWD, I think that it can accommandate an AWD setup like the XC90 which is also based off of the S80 chassis.

Regardless, this is only speculation not based on any varifible info, but I can see Mazda battling it out with the best of them. Like I said before, the 6 is a great start and proves that Mazda can still blow the pants off the competition with the right focus and the brass balls to bring a stylist, high quality, performance oriented product to market.

Mazda doesn't have a V8 and I don't think Mazda will ever get a V8 so they will never compete directly with the likes of 540's, GS430, M45, etc... But with a powerful enough Miller Cycle engine producing say 250-300HP with the fuel economy of a small V6, there could be an interesting fight on our hands. Remember the 210HP 2.3L Miller Cycle had signifcantly better gas mileage than the 170 2.5L V6 in the 626 and I get ~26mpg in mixed (hwy and city) driving from my 626 ES V6 5spd and I drive fairly aggressively.

Max your reflection on Miller Engine are right for me (unfortunately we dont' have this engine in Europe) an its a good idea a 4wd exec-sedan....the problem is related to maketing and the space of this car in its segment...
Currently i own a 6 wagon and the overall drive quality it's almost like a A4 wagon (my brother own one), but i miss still the rwd of my past BMW...

Reply to Jerome81 . . . that Cadillac would be rated above Mazda is crazy. Cadillac is a has been name with nothing to offer in terms of desireability. Anyone with enough money to buy a Cadillac would almost always buy German or Japanese upmarket cars. Cadillac and Lincoln no longer rate up with the rest. Mazda, especially the RX-8 rate better than the Cadillac and Lincoln.

Mazda is as good as Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru etc in terms of quality. Cadillac is not.