Do you think the 370z will handles as good as the 09 RX-8? Obviously the 350Z can't in the twisties (unless it's the Nisimo) but the New Nissan is it equal to or superior to the RX-8 Now, in the twisties? In the straight theres never been any question since 2004.

On paper it seems to be Superior but ink and paper lie sometimes. Some say the 370Z jumps the Cayman in overall perform and like the RX-8 betters the Germans performance = price wise.

Of course in all honest-nessity niether equals the Porshces curb side appeal imho. Strange that Porsche Pureist seem to not think much of the Cayman/Boxster???

Cayman is best handling Porsche available under $70k imho.

What is your take on the main topic? New Z vs. new 8 in the twisties.

The 8 will out-handle most anything. I don't suspect the 370Z will fare much better. Not to say that the gap may be closed a bit thereby equalling the 8, but its hard to out perform it.

Neither the CaymanS nor the BoxsterS is the same kind of animal...you can be a horrible driver and look like you know what you are doing. Kinda takes the fun out of the whole thing...definitely takes out the skill of the driver.

Hardly seems worth it to me...if I didn't want my driving skills to matter I would take a taxi.

These types of threads crack me up. You cannot claim the 350z cannot handle as well as the rx8, if you do you are simply following the thrend that this website has set.


2007 350z Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.93 g (car and driver)
2004 rx8 Skidpad .93g (car and driver)
2009 370z 0.97 g (car and driver)


The Z has been an equal in handling (if not better on some courses) and superior on power. And i own an rx8.

I think the 370Z will handle just as well (if not better) than the 8.

I honestly don't like alot of z and g35 g37 drivers for there cockyness but I doubt that the 8 can stand a chance against them. Car vs car the Z takes it, after that it depends on who's driving. I went head up against Z's few times and won most because the drivers were just kids trying to be cool which dissapointed me because those cars deserve better drivers

Every discussion on handling is subjective of course...but when talking about handling on it's own (for cars we mere mortals can afford) you can't discuss handling without mentioning the 8. Even when discussing cars $30k-$40k more than the 8 it is still in the discussion. There is a reason the 8 took 4th in the 2008 handling comparison...It's that good.

Unfortunately, when you throw power delivery into the mix (not just handling) the 8 is in a much smaller crowd. Mazda needs to fix that.

Every discussion on handling is subjective of course...

Magazine Racing/Internet Racing by pure numbers is a fool's game. The way a car "feels" to it's driver is based upon a myriad of variables not to mention even more preferences. Certainly a Z is a vastly capable car (moreso for it's pricepoint) but if you prefer how it gets to those numbers that are published is up to you.

Just for the record and so one can define why I might be able to speak about any of this from somewhere other than my rectum.........I owned an S2k for 2 years, then a 350Z for about 3 years and just traded it (the Z) in on my RX a few weeks ago.....

The Z is a beast, it's got torque in gobs and makes nice noises as it's doing it. I learned to trust that yes, she WOULD stick around a corner and not get out of hand but it took a long while (coming out of the S) to accept what I felt like was WAAAAY too much heft and body roll. Meaning, yes, it will corner, it will CERTAINLY out accellerate but I (my preference) never liked the way it went about it's motions. I never fell in love w/ that car like I had my S.

Buying the RX has me back in what I feel like a sports car should be, it "feels" light and nimble to me, it tosses around nicely and talks to me right as the rear tires give up their grip. I am back to grinning when I drive and looking for excuses to go get my wife something from the store, it's a liberating feeling.

All this said, it's up to each person what facets of a car they like, you may like that monster feeling the Z gives and if so by all means.........but I'll stay in the camp with those that "are following the trend this website has set" that think that the RX far outhandles a Z. We had a G35c for my wife in there too BTW which I actually preferred for several reasons over the Z but that's a different discussion ;)

I think the 370z will handles as good as the english languages allow it for.

All I'll say, is that Mazda needs to step up into the plate .

These types of threads crack me up. You cannot claim the 350z cannot handle as well as the rx8, if you do you are simply following the thrend that this website has set.


2007 350z Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.93 g (car and driver)
2004 rx8 Skidpad .93g (car and driver)
2009 370z 0.97 g (car and driver)


The Z has been an equal in handling (if not better on some courses) and superior on power. And i own an rx8.



Skidpad numbers only show grip. Slap a set of R-compounds on a Corolla and you can achieve the same numbers. Try again.

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First!!! (to lawlzzz)


:lol2:

you should try to get published alfy

Oh, that's right...this is the place we are supposed to login and endlessly search because everything to be said has already been said.

...SO unless you have something totally new that has never ever been mentioned before keep your mouth shut and go look it up in encyclopedia search-tannica.

Some things will always be talked about over and over and over and over again...but isn't that the point? Continuing discussion of things that are on our minds? Show me someone that's ever had a meaningful discussion with a search engine.

tis the nature of an internet forum, at least one that keeps going, that there will always be people that ask, asked questions, people that answer asked questions and people that are tired of seeing them :D

Glad to be a noob for a little while, leaves some of us that haven't seen it all

....do clear corners add HP?.......(sorry, couldn't resist)

Oh no not again...

Oh, that's right...this is the place we are supposed to login and endlessly search because everything to be said has already been said.

...SO unless you have something totally new that has never ever been mentioned before keep your mouth shut and go look it up in encyclopedia search-tannica.

Some things will always be talked about over and over and over and over again...but isn't that the point? Continuing discussion of things that are on our minds? Show me someone that's ever had a meaningful discussion with a search engine.
i don't know. i haven't seen that cartoon before - looks like a new reply to me. and a mighty funny one too :lol2:

....do clear corners add HP?.......

How much you looking to add? I bet you could tweak the corners to add just right amount. I blacked my corners...turns out it added more horespower that way. Lol

i don't know. i haven't seen that cartoon before - looks like a new reply to me. and a mighty funny one too :lol2:

it was pretty good...

It can only get better from here.

One of the reasons the 370z got .97g's on the skidpad is because it has 275's in the rear vs's the RX8's 225's...Throw some 275's on the rx8 and see what it can do :)

i need to learn to stop looking at any replies alfy submits. my sides end up hurting too much :lol:

Oh, that's right...this is the place we are supposed to login and endlessly search because everything to be said has already been said.

...SO unless you have something totally new that has never ever been mentioned before keep your mouth shut and go look it up in encyclopedia search-tannica.

Some things will always be talked about over and over and over and over again...but isn't that the point? Continuing discussion of things that are on our minds? Show me someone that's ever had a meaningful discussion with a search engine.


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jking btw

One of the reasons the 370z got .97g's on the skidpad is because it has 275's in the rear vs's the RX8's 225's...Throw some 275's on the rx8 and see what it can do :)

+1

rx8 wasnt tuned stock for numbers at all. just tuned for fun..

another great strip....lmao.

noobs give alfy something to do and something for me to look forward to.

:lol2:

Dude! I was the target of an Alfy-strip! I am famous! Gotta love it. :)

LMAO, now that one's better than the first.

I like to think of Jesus as wearin' a Tuxedo T-shirt, 'cause it says, like, "I want to be formal, but I'm here to party too." I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party

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LMAO, now that one's better than the first.

I like to think of Jesus as wearin' a Tuxedo T-shirt, 'cause it says, like, "I want to be formal, but I'm here to party too." I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party

Doesn't Jesus sing for Lynyrd Skynyrd? Lol

As a matter of fact......

Doesn't Jesus sing for Lynyrd Skynyrd? Lol


The Artist Formerly Known as King

with his billboard #1 hit, Party Like It's 9.

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lmao .

but on a serious note, about 100% of my drawings are not to offend any one. i tink alot of us just wants to hours to go buy faster. so i just post stupid things. but if any of my doodles offends any one, let me know. like i said, i dont mean to offend any one. just like to crack up while working.

lmao .

but on a serious note, about 100% of my drawings are not to offend any one. i tink alot of us just wants to hours to go buy faster. so i just post stupid things. but if any of my doodles offends any one, let me know. like i said, i dont mean to offend any one. just like to crack up while working.

You know it's a sign of bad times when you need a disclaimer....:icon_no2:

Keep up the good work...at least someone here can come up with something original.

Oh, that's right...this is the place we are supposed to login and endlessly search because everything to be said has already been said.

...SO unless you have something totally new that has never ever been mentioned before keep your mouth shut and go look it up in encyclopedia search-tannica.

Some things will always be talked about over and over and over and over again...but isn't that the point? Continuing discussion of things that are on our minds? Show me someone that's ever had a meaningful discussion with a search engine.

If you want to continue a discussion that is on your mind, go to the original thread where it was posted. I assume you have had some amount of schooling. Did the teachers hand out answers to you, or did you have to do some minuscule amount of research? It's really not that hard to search...and you may find more than what the people on ATM have to offer.

When you bought your car, did you research it, or did you simply ask someone else to make the decision for you? Yeah, as you might guess, same scenario here, which is why this is a discussion board, not a redundancy board.

but on a serious note, about 100%

I'd like to think that everyone knows completely the humor, sarcasm, and intent of your post(s). Why do you think this thread has progressed through another 2 pages of jabber.........there's a lot of us trying to escape from the workday ;)

lmao .

but on a serious note, about 100% of my drawings are not to offend any one. i tink alot of us just wants to hours to go buy faster. so i just post stupid things. but if any of my doodles offends any one, let me know. like i said, i dont mean to offend any one. just like to crack up while working.

No offense taken here. Keep em coming! :)

If you want to continue a discussion that is on your mind, go to the original thread where it was posted. I assume you have had some amount of schooling. Did the teachers hand out answers to you, or did you have to do some minuscule amount of research? It's really not that hard to search...and you may find more than what the people on ATM have to offer.

When you bought your car, did you research it, or did you simply ask someone else to make the decision for you? Yeah, as you might guess, same scenario here, which is why this is a discussion board, not a redundancy board.

I totally pick up what you are putting down...and I can't argue with your logic at all. That's a great idea to just go ahead and post in the original thread instead of creating another one.

Of course there will be those who will want to piss and moan about someone digging up an old thread that they saw fit to be dead, but that's another discussion all together. :)

That's a great idea to just go ahead and post in the original thread instead of creating another one.

Of course there will be those will want to piss and moan about someone digging up an old thread that they saw fit to be dead, but that's another discussion all together. :)
:yesnod:

oh the paradox. I think my head just imploded and exploded at the same time.


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Neither the CaymanS nor the BoxsterS is the same kind of animal...you can be a horrible driver and look like you know what you are doing. Kinda takes the fun out of the whole thing...definitely takes out the skill of the driver.

Hardly seems worth it to me...if I didn't want my driving skills to matter I would take a taxi.

LOL the 8 is probably the most forgiving sports car i've ever driven, pot calling the kettle black here. I love the 8 but lets just be honest, its an easy car to drive very fast.

bump because the guys at C&D have something to say aboot this age-old question:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/coupes/nissan_370z_vs_bmw_135i_mazda_rx_8_r3_and_pontiac_ solstice_gxp_comparison_test__1

One of the reasons the 370z got .97g's on the skidpad is because it has 275's in the rear vs's the RX8's 225's...Throw some 275's on the rx8 and see what it can do :)

Wonder how mine would do on a skidpad with RB sways+HKS hipermax coilovers and 275s on all fours..

Wonder how mine would do on a skidpad with RB sways+HKS hipermax coilovers and 275s on all fours..

As soon as you start comparing mods to stock you lose your argument.


I think the 370 is going to out perform the rx8 with out a doubt. Do I want one, not really. I will be curious to see if mazda will be able to respond with a rotary equipped car.

...SO unless you have something totally new that has never ever been mentioned before keep your mouth shut and go look it up in encyclopedia search-tannica.


I wish people would. Oh I guess that isn't new either... god I'm sick of Z vs. 8 threads though.

LOL the 8 is probably the most forgiving sports car i've ever driven, pot calling the kettle black here. I love the 8 but lets just be honest, its an easy car to drive very fast.

8s are easy to drive fast (easy being a subjective term)...but its really not the same...and its hard to describe.

I drove a friend's Boxster S at an event once and really...you can drive it like a madman and get away with it! The car just would not let me lose control the way any other car would.

It was creepy. Who is in control here...me or the car! Lol

Edit: I used to think the Top Gear guys were feeding a line of crap until I drove one myself. Check it out...

http://www.genctuning.org/videolar.php?id=422&tur=TopGear&video=izle

8s are easy to drive fast (easy being a subjective term)...but its really not the same...and its hard to describe.

I drove a friend's Boxster S at an event once and really...you can drive it like a madman and get away with it! The car just would not let me lose control the way any other car would.

It was creepy. Who is in control here...me or the car! Lol

Edit: I used to think the Top Gear guys were feeding a line of crap until I drove one myself. Check it out...

http://www.genctuning.org/videolar.php?id=422&tur=TopGear&video=izle

this is why i want a mid engined car...its the way god would make a sports car. True balance from design, not from compensation.

Magazine Racing/Internet Racing by pure numbers is a fool's game. The way a car "feels" to it's driver is based upon a myriad of variables not to mention even more preferences. Certainly a Z is a vastly capable car (moreso for it's pricepoint) but if you prefer how it gets to those numbers that are published is up to you.

Just for the record and so one can define why I might be able to speak about any of this from somewhere other than my rectum.........I owned an S2k for 2 years, then a 350Z for about 3 years and just traded it (the Z) in on my RX a few weeks ago.....

The Z is a beast, it's got torque in gobs and makes nice noises as it's doing it. I learned to trust that yes, she WOULD stick around a corner and not get out of hand but it took a long while (coming out of the S) to accept what I felt like was WAAAAY too much heft and body roll. Meaning, yes, it will corner, it will CERTAINLY out accellerate but I (my preference) never liked the way it went about it's motions. I never fell in love w/ that car like I had my S.

Buying the RX has me back in what I feel like a sports car should be, it "feels" light and nimble to me, it tosses around nicely and talks to me right as the rear tires give up their grip. I am back to grinning when I drive and looking for excuses to go get my wife something from the store, it's a liberating feeling.

All this said, it's up to each person what facets of a car they like, you may like that monster feeling the Z gives and if so by all means.........but I'll stay in the camp with those that "are following the trend this website has set" that think that the RX far outhandles a Z. We had a G35c for my wife in there too BTW which I actually preferred for several reasons over the Z but that's a different discussion ;)

Well said and true.

The facts are, 340/350/360/370/380 Nissan Z family, and its other shared platforms Maxima/Altima/TL/Charger/GTR/Mustang/35/36/37, have a long way to go to catch up to rotary power.

The 370 is an improvement because it outhandles rx8, but still loses against the rotary fury in real-life 0-60.

Whatever the mythical "twisties" are, I've never seen them, don't want to, and that "twist***" term is the most hated language in the entire Mazda/Rotary canon, other than "zoom z***".

Get real people.

... but still loses against the rotary fury in real-life 0-60.
...Get real people.

umm who's delusional here? :)

The facts are, 340/350/360/370/380 Nissan Z family, and its other shared platforms Maxima/Altima/TL/Charger/GTR/Mustang/35/36/37, have a long way to go to catch up to rotary power.

The 370 is an improvement because it outhandles rx8, but still loses against the rotary fury in real-life 0-60.

Whatever the mythical "twisties" are, I've never seen them, don't want to, and that "twist***" term is the most hated language in the entire Mazda/Rotary canon, other than "zoom z***".

Get real people.


all I can say is you should make it your policy not to post afterwhatever good stuff you got into last night!

where in the world did you come up with those mythical car designations? and I wont bother to ponder how you managed to group the second set


........on after coffee reading I decided you had to be kidding..... :D

Oh, this is good...although I am pretty sure he is kidding.

Where's my popcorn?

Skidpad numbers only show grip. Slap a set of R-compounds on a Corolla and you can achieve the same numbers. Try again.

Skidpad numbers (in addition to slalom speed) are a great way of showing the estimated handling of a chassis and the suspension geometry. Slap r-componds on both the z and the rx8 and the numbers will still stand, just add .08-.1 to each one.

When you alter the stock form of the car you purposely avoid the original argument.

bump because the guys at C&D have something to say aboot this age-old question:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/coupes/nissan_370z_vs_bmw_135i_mazda_rx_8_r3_and_pontiac_ solstice_gxp_comparison_test__1


I've been a subscriber of C&D for about 25 years, I enjoy the magazine and aside from noting their long standing habit of giving at least a 1 notch step to anything with a propeller badge on the front I think they summed up the cars pretty well. I would say they exhibited the same sentiment I did, the RX and the Z are both great in their very different ways.

Need 4 seats? Need to drag at the stop lights? ahh the wonders of debate :D

^ hey soba what year was your Z?

^ hey soba what year was your Z?

'06 Grand Touring Roadster

...aside from noting their long standing habit of giving at least a 1 notch step to anything with a propeller badge on the front...

Awww, c'mon...where's the love? :)

*yawn*


just getting through the second cup of coffee this morning.


off to read how this thread is going today. brb.

bump because the guys at C&D have something to say aboot this age-old question:
"Mazda is reportedly working on a direct-injection rotary that will address these limitations, but that could be a couple of years away. In the meantime, this Mazda icon appears played out. "

Hope Mazda is paying attention. 16x with beefy numbers plzzzzzzzzzzzz

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/coupes/nissan_370z_vs_bmw_135i_mazda_rx_8_r3_and_pontiac_ solstice_gxp_comparison_test__1

all I can say is you should make it your policy not to post afterwhatever good stuff you got into last night!

where in the world did you come up with those mythical car designations? and I wont bother to ponder how you managed to group the second set


........on after coffee reading I decided you had to be kidding..... :D

:lol2:

I still <3 this thread.

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Hahahahahhahah wtf?

#1 goes to rx-8
#2 goes to 370Z
#3 goes to honda s2k

Alfy you make my work a better place to be in :)

Lol . btw if any one is wondering what his strip is for. its for this thread http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2882896#post2882896

since i had 370z in it, i figured i post here also :)

Skidpad numbers (in addition to slalom speed) are a great way of showing the estimated handling of a chassis and the suspension geometry. Slap r-componds on both the z and the rx8 and the numbers will still stand, just add .08-.1 to each one.

When you alter the stock form of the car you purposely avoid the original argument.


You really need to look up what it means by car handling. It is about lateral acceleration and transitional direction changes. Again, skid pad numbers are heavily based on tire choices. :icon_no2:

alfy = genius

{claps} lol

:rofl: wft . . . I can actually picture some asshat at MNAO saying "IDK, someone on the phone talking about PCP . . ."

OH N03SSsSS! ANOTHER DAYTONA!! :scared:

I don't know what you guys are talking about, we all know the Crossfire handles better then the Z or the RX8.

^it's true...

it's gotta be the strakes...

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/13862-2005-Chrysler-Crossfire.jpg

they do generate massive downforce.

Awww, c'mon...where's the love? :)

LOL, I tip to my hat to YOUR very pimp ride, but lets admit C&D has a long standing blinder-factor on any 3-series in any test (and the 1 is just a 7/8ths 3). I've driven many, another formidable machine, but so far I've never been swayed when it came time to put the $ down.

LOL, I tip to my hat to YOUR very pimp ride, but lets admit C&D has a long standing blinder-factor on any 3-series in any test (and the 1 is just a 7/8ths 3). I've driven many, another formidable machine, but so far I've never been swayed when it came time to put the $ down.

C&D does have a bias...I can't argue with you there brother! I have never been a huge 3 series fan myself...hence the Z4. Although I will give a nod to the M3. :)

Edit: The 3series (even the M3) really have become bloated. What's with all that extra weight? Kind of misses the whole point...insanity.

yes i do think the 370z will handles as good as the rx8, prolly better

Now here's actual fuel for the debate. When we were car shopping several weeks ago the Mazda dealer had an '09 R3, asking $33k, the Nissan dealer had a brand new '09 370z (coupe, GT I believe) (so lets say both being top models and comparable). They actually had a sticker on the car asking $47k.

Now obviously that sticker is a far cry from what they actually will get for the car, but I'd wager so is the one on the R3 so........ I LOVE the changes Nissan made to make the 350 morph into the 370, but factor in a growing price disparity and......

Personally I believe the downfall and subsequent disappearance of the 3 Japanese performance cars in the 90's was that they all started out as relatively inexpensive, great performing cars but all became too exotically priced.

Nissan took a step back w/ the reintroduction of the Z (but is quickly headed that same direction again in a time where they CANNOT afford to do so). And although Mazda didn't officially bring back the 7 they may have done a fantastic thing in slotting the 8 in, giving it nice moves and a nice price so they can re-introduce the 7 as an actual halo car that deserves and warrants a premium.

These are miscellaneous ramblings but just two more of my cents :D. Someday I will have owned all 3 of those along the line, just a matter of time :)

i agree with the out of this world price of the Z. It was understandable when dealers marked up the GT-R or the Z06, but marking up the new Z by over 10k isn't going to work. If you are well off and determined to get a GT-R then you will pay the price, but the customers for the 370z are largely middle-class who will not blow another 10k for just having the car they want.

Wow!?? They really had a 47k tag on the loaded Z??!! That's insane.

funny and completely opposite of the "cheap" price-tag advertised at under 30k.

funny and completely opposite of the "cheap" price-tag advertised at under 30k.

Yeah...the base model that after buying it leaves you saying WTF? :scratchhe

I Poop-thee-not, I was merely oogling it for a moment on the way over to the used car section so I didn't bother to even engage the salesman that came over (we pulled up in the Z, and I swear he almost ran over when we stopped to look inside it hoping we were shopping for the newest one). I'm SURE it could be knocked down to about $40k these days but still?!

I thought it took an awful lot of ba!!z to put a price like that on yes, what is advertized as a $20k-something sports car in an economy such as this.

Yeah...the base model that after buying it leaves you saying WTF? :scratchhe

Call me a car-snob (a not exactly well funded one but still) but I've NEVER been one to accept the cheapest model of any line, if it doesn't have most or all the options it feels "lesser" somehow. Long ago I was happier to buy the maxed out Civic instead of a stripped Accord.

I've (re)discovered recently that I'd rather have a 4 y/o car with every option for half the price of a new one :D

Since the discussion has taken this path (for the moment :D) I'd like to note that my local Mazda dealer was one of the most pleasant car buying experiences I've ever had, I went in, laid the cards on the table what I needed and what I was willing to pay, they came back 10 minutes later with exactly the figure I didn't expect them to be able to pull off. No BS, no back and forth. This was off their "internet price" which was $1k lower than what they had on the windshield BTW

Call me a car-snob (a not exactly well funded one but still) but I've NEVER been one to accept the cheapest model of any line, if it doesn't have most or all the options it feels "lesser" somehow. Long ago I was happier to buy the maxed out Civic instead of a stripped Accord.

I've (re)discovered recently that I'd rather have a 4 y/o car with every option for half the price of a new one :D

Amen...If I can't afford the car I really want with ALL the upgrades then I don't buy it! I may opt for another car until I can get to where I want to be...like when I got my 8. Man, I wanted a Z4 real bad at the time, but I equally loved the 8 for what it offered and the total coolness of the rotor...so I bought the best 8 available at the time with every option you could get.

So here I am 5 years later in the best Z4 model they make...It was worth the wait, but also worth getting the 8 like I did. Man I loved that car. :)

^it's true...

it's gotta be the strakes...

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/13862-2005-Chrysler-Crossfire.jpg

Stop posting dogs taking a crap or I'll report you!

... to the OP go drive one and find out for yourself..

Yeah...the base model that after buying it leaves you saying WTF? :scratchhe

still a 6 speed MT. just not the touring package which is still only an MSRP of 5gs more (~$34k). how does it reach nearly 50grand?!

nice mark-up by the dealership selling...

sounds like a Puerto Rican mark-up... :lol:
/directed to ramon.

still a 6 speed MT. just not the touring package which is still only an MSRP of 5gs more (~$34k). how does it reach nearly 50grand?!

nice mark-up by the dealership selling...

sounds like a Puerto Rican mark-up... :lol:
/directed to ramon.

Base model of the 370z in PR 37,450

Touring with sport package 47,500

Fully equipped track or whatever the most expensive one is is around 52k

^ for that price, I rather get an M Coupe or a Cayman. Heck, I'd even consider a TT-S!

... to the OP go drive one and find out for yourself..

get out of here with your simple, logical answers!









;)

^ for that price, I rather get an M Coupe or a Cayman. Heck, I'd even consider a TT-S!

None of them even close to that price haha they are all way more expensive.

An RX8 GT here costs 40k :D

^ for that price, I rather get an M Coupe or a Cayman. Heck, I'd even consider a TT-S!

Yeah Baby!!!! You said it......M C O U P E!!! :ylsuper:

I love the M coupe but that one is hella expensive here too :(

Hell I went to see a 135i with only sports package 52k :(

hate this, at least insurance isnt expensive

It's hella expensive everywhere but damn it is fine! I'm a long time 'vert guy but I have to admit the Mcoupe is just plain art compared to it's topless sibling.

Sure, there's LOTS of cars that could be added to this thread if the budget was completely digarded :D

The 370Z was faster than the Cayman S on a track in a recent article (Road & Track I think). The new RX-8 will probably not keep up. However, I remain hopeful for a new and improved (more powerful) 8 in the near future.

I have to agree with just about everything sobamaflyer has said on the matter and as they say the proof of the pudding is in the eating. We will have to wait for track comparisons of both cars from someone who has driven/tested both cars to know for sure.

I do like what they have done to the Z but agree the price tag is pretty ridicules I also still don't understand how they can put out a car that is still almost 400lbs heavier then the RX with only 2 seats. This does not speak well to their engineering team. especially when the replacement for the RX is looking to be around 300lbs lighter if the rumors are to be believed. The trade mags are showing the 370 to be just about as heavy as the 350.

just go out and buy a `87 Dodge Omni and call it a day. it's the betterest car ever.

word.

yo.

^ lol

Where do you live Canada a $47k 370Z? In and around the midwest I see 370zs touring for $33k and the base are $27900 closely compared with R3s between $27500 - $32ks. So here they are evenly priced what might be the determining factor is which has had the best and most upgrades for the money. No doubt both are fine Sports Cars.

In a recent Track Test between the Zcar, BW i135, Rx-8 R3 and GM Soltaice coupe the RX-8 was only able to beat out the GM and only because of some design flaws the GM was faster and but didn't handled as well. The other two cars were superiorly designed again they priced the Z at $33k and BMW at $37k the R3 was $32k the GM $30k.

One of the design flaws I see in the RX-8 is with its smoother revolutions and 2 spark plugs and medocre 0-60 time why doens't it yeild better gas mileages?

If we examine the upgrades that each of these car offer which do you think is giving the buyers his money worth? A good feeling that was acheived back in 2004 or a totally new Change in how things are done.

I want the Rx-8 or 7 to make it does Mazda?

The 370Z is faster then the $59k Cayman, it is not as fast as the new 325hp $65-$70k Cayman S. But thats good company.

^LOL, maybe that was the problem, they had the window sticker calc'd in Canadian $. Sadly, I'm NOWHERE near Canada, I should have taken a picture for the comedic value

Honestly I think the 370Z will handle better than the RX8. Partly because Nissan injected a bit of RX8 DNA into the new Z

They swapped out the McPherson struts up front for a short-long arm suspension (same suspension type found on the RX8)
They've made it smaller and it weighs less (key points when you bring up an RX8 comparing it to other sports cars)

That, combined with the extra power should post much higher exit speeds than the RX8. I haven't driven the 370Z so I can't say which is more fun, but I have seen one from about 20 feet away and honestly...not that impressed. It does its job of making the 350Z look obsolete but its not a very awesome looking car somehow. Especially with the sport package rims. Epic fail.

Wow, now there I have to disagree. I feel like the 370 took everything that was right about the 350 and massaged it, made it just a little bitter, just a little more reminiscent of the 240. I love the new curves and visual interest they added.

In the real world pricing the 350 was always a few grand higher then a comparable RX and the 370 appears to be maintaining that gap in not increasing it, that being said they also have a retail value that is a few grand more ten the RX. So maybe you'll get it on the back end.

Tracks tests are always interesting but only tell half the story. The 350 would routinely beat the RX in a track test, mainly because of superior HP, but in the end the editors would always select the RX as the superior sports car that was more fun to drive. I have seen this in 3 different magazines all with the same results. What we don't know is if the 370 has fixed the limitations of the 350. We already know they haven't in the weight category.

From your statement I have to assume you don't know much about the rotary engine, this is not an attack just an observation. The engine is a compromise for the RX where power and MPG have been traded for lighter weight and smaller packaging. This gives the RX better handling dynamics but poorer 0-60 times. There is a much greater connection between the driver and the car with the RX then with the 350.

It will be interesting to see what Mazda comes out with next, from what they are talking it sounds like a new design while the 370 seems more of a evolutionary step. Time will tell. I did find it interesting that R&T shows the 09 RX and the 370 almost neck and neck in the slalom.

Where do you live Canada a $47k 370Z? In and around the midwest I see 370zs touring for $33k and the base are $27900 closely compared with R3s between $27500 - $32ks. So here they are evenly priced what might be the determining factor is which has had the best and most upgrades for the money. No doubt both are fine Sports Cars.

In a recent Track Test between the Zcar, BW i135, Rx-8 R3 and GM Soltaice coupe the RX-8 was only able to beat out the GM and only because of some design flaws the GM was faster and but didn't handled as well. The other two cars were superiorly designed again they priced the Z at $33k and BMW at $37k the R3 was $32k the GM $30k.

One of the design flaws I see in the RX-8 is with its smoother revolutions and 2 spark plugs and medocre 0-60 time why doens't it yeild better gas mileages?

If we examine the upgrades that each of these car offer which do you think is giving the buyers his money worth? A good feeling that was acheived back in 2004 or a totally new Change in how things are done.

I want the Rx-8 or 7 to make it does Mazda?

The 370Z is faster then the $59k Cayman, it is not as fast as the new 325hp $65-$70k Cayman S. But thats good company.

Raptor wrote - Tracks tests are always interesting but only tell half the story. The 350 would routinely beat the RX in a track test, mainly because of superior HP, but in the end the editors would always select the RX as the superior sports car that was more fun to drive. I have seen this in 3 different magazines all with the same results. What we don't know is if the 370 has fixed the limitations of the 350. We already know they haven't in the weight category.


As I mentioned both are great Sports Cars but we have to give each its due. Though the magazine would crown the RX-8 the winner even after the Z won most of the track events.
The Z out sold the RX-8 by volume not only in the USA but world wide, so you can win all the opinion polls you want when the tire meets the road the buyer decided on what he feels and drives. Granted the RX-8 has it perks interior, ride and handling 4 doors, but so does the Z car power, handling, gas mileage and resale value. That was the 350Z the 370Z is an improvement upon that.

The new R3 is suppose to handle better then the 04-08 Rx-8s, but I can't tell seems the same.

I want a Turbo in the Rx-8 the Rx-7 had a TT why not the 8?

As I mentioned both are great Sports Cars but we have to give each its due. Though the magazine would crown the RX-8 the winner even after the Z won most of the track events.
The Z out sold the RX-8 by volume not only in the USA but world wide, so you can win all the opinion polls you want when the tire meets the road the buyer decided on what he feels and drives. Granted the RX-8 has it perks interior, ride and handling 4 doors, but so does the Z car power, handling, gas mileage and resale value. That was the 350Z the 370Z is an improvement upon that.

The new R3 is suppose to handle better then the 04-08 Rx-8s, but I can't tell seems the same.

I want a Turbo in the Rx-8 the Rx-7 had a TT why not the 8?

I would agree that they are both great cars and I really like the new 370s looks, I think it is ridicules that they did not shave 300lbs off the weight which leaves me to believe this is more a modified 350 then a new car. The fact that something sells better is not always a indicator of a superior product. Look at VHS and Bata, Bata was the superior product but VHS won the buyers. Consumers are often ignorant of what they buy. Given the chose I would lessen to 3 well informed "experts" over 100 consumers. Following the masses was never very appealing to me, I guess that's why I own a RX-8.

As for the 370 being better, that is yet to be seen though it does appear to be. On the other hand you pointed out that the R3 seemed the same as the old RX yet it to was suppose to be better also.

I don't think you will see a turbo anytime soon for 2 reasons, MPG and cost. I hope I am proved wrong here but I don't see it in the cards. The next RX sounds like it may have the stuff to out do the 370 with 280HP and a 600lbs weight advantage but that is still just talk until we see a real product

The main reason they didn't boost the Renny is because of Emissions. They just COULDN'T pass it *Hell, they even got stopped at the border due to emissions, hence the returne/lower advertised HP.* Tossing a turbo on that would add to costs, scare people since the casual person has nightmares about the FD's failure rate in the early years, and emissions. Too many negatives for a car that already doesn't sell many units.

As I mentioned both are great Sports Cars but we have to give each its due. Though the magazine would crown the RX-8 the winner even after the Z won most of the track events.
The Z out sold the RX-8 by volume not only in the USA but world wide, so you can win all the opinion polls you want when the tire meets the road the buyer decided on what he feels and drives. Granted the RX-8 has it perks interior, ride and handling 4 doors, but so does the Z car power, handling, gas mileage and resale value. That was the 350Z the 370Z is an improvement upon that.

The new R3 is suppose to handle better then the 04-08 Rx-8s, but I can't tell seems the same.

I want a Turbo in the Rx-8 the Rx-7 had a TT why not the 8?

The auto-journos always crown the 8 as the winner over the 350Z is because of it's sublime handling traits and driver connection. It is not easily replicated on pure numbers alone. It is a subjective quality which is unquantifiable. People called it X-Factor.
Twin turbo in a rotary was a disaster. Complicated implementation + typical North American car maintenance mentality = Instant Fail. Mazda will not be putting any FI in their rotary for the foreseeable future. If people are already complaining checking oil, imagine the extra care for a turbocharged rotary! Yikes. :spank:

Don't forget the heat factor which caused the complicated implementation (ie lots of vacuum hoses) to deteriorate and leek. I have heard that the later models in Japan had resolved a lot of these problems with better quality hosing.


Twin turbo in a rotary was a disaster. Complicated implementation + typical North American car maintenance mentality = Instant Fail. Mazda will not be putting any FI in their rotary for the foreseeable future. If people are already complaining checking oil, imagine the extra care for a turbocharged rotary! Yikes. :spank:

delhi wrote - Twin turbo in a rotary was a disaster. Complicated implementation + typical North American car maintenance mentality = Instant Fail. Mazda will not be putting any FI in their rotary for the foreseeable future.


Yes maybe but don't you remember the good ole days back then The MAZDA RX-7 was one of the most feared and respected SPORTS CAR available it rivialed all the high dolllar units. It had looks, handling, power, torque and speed that countered Sports Cars costing three times its value.

In fact the TT RX-7 was a wolf in wolf clothing it was awesome, TT and NA Zs would duck and turn on there CD players at stop lights. Mustang and camaros drivers shunk in fear if a Rx-7 pulled up. Porsches Boxsters driver would put on their shades ignoring the Rx-7 next to it roaring its engine, the Corvette driver would strap on his chin helmet knowing this is going to be a Race. Now you hear rumors of MiniVans and Volvos outruning the RX-8 sigh.

The Rx-8 and the Honda 2k are the king of the Autocross but there is no destanation in autocrossing. Give us Turbo or GIve us Death!!! Imagine all the amenities and handling of a 8 and the performance of the Rx-7!!! Sports car heaven. I know the 8 a different type car but lets not let the nut fall too far from the tree, hell!!

Porsches Boxsters driver would put on their shades ignoring the Rx-7 next to it roaring its engine

actually you meant Porsche 968 drivers would ignore the RX-7....It would take 2 more years for Boxster drivers to do so. The force-fed 7 would have given a base 993 owner cause for concern but a Turbo 911 of the '95 vintage would have handed the Mazda it's lunch. Although either of the latter could revel in the knowledge they had the last of the great air-cooled engines behind them and go back to ignoring the 7.

(I happen to pine for an FD and an Carrera for my garage one of these days ;) )

In fact the TT RX-7 was a wolf in wolf clothing it was awesome, TT and NA Zs would duck and turn on there CD players at stop lights. Mustang and camaros drivers shunk in fear if a Rx-7 pulled up. Porsches Boxsters driver would put on their shades ignoring the Rx-7 next to it roaring its engine, the Corvette driver would strap on his chin helmet knowing this is going to be a Race. Now you hear rumors of MiniVans and Volvos outruning the RX-8 sigh.



Hahahaha.... that scenario hardly ever occurs because the FD always either sit over a puddle of coolant and oil puddle on some road or in a rotary mechanic shop. :lol2:
If those rumoured minivans or volvos outrunning rx-8s then I pitty those pure sports cars like the S2k or Boxsters.... they must share a worse humiliation considering they are 2-seaters supposedly sports cars. How about them Miatas? Lack of power didn't stop it from out selling the higher hp rivals. Where are the Solstice or Sky sales these days? No where.
Bottom line is turbo rotary will not happen according to Mazda officials. Part of the sales hurt for the rx-8 was due to the horrendous FD's bad reliability.

Yeah, the unreliable FD's left a very bad taste in the mouths of the common American. Nobody realized that after they took it back to Japan they fixed the issues it had previously.

^ exactly. Sometimes it tickles me to see postings about the call for the return of the 'RX-7 TT' because I doubt these posters had ever owned one. I know of owner's account that each time when they turn that ignition key, they had to wonder if the will the engine turn over. Or if they were to go WOT, what hoses will come off that will lead to catastrophic engine failure. A local independent mazda mechanic once said that he loves the FD. Because it helped pay for his kid's school tuition. :eyetwitch
Myth vs. reality is warped by Fast 'n Furious romance....

The FD is an engineering miracle...Just a miracle riddled with issues :lol2: Don't get me wrong, I WILL be getting an FD one day, but it will have reliability mods done to it.

*NOTE* What other car do you know that whenever someone is trying to sell it, they always mention they've had the reliability mods done...:lol:

The FD is an engineering miracle...Just a miracle riddled with issues :lol2: Don't get me wrong, I WILL be getting an FD one day, but it will have reliability mods done to it.

*NOTE* What other car do you know that whenever someone is trying to sell it, they always mention they've had the reliability mods done...:lol:

reliability mod = LS1 engine swap. :lol2:

reliability mod = LS1 engine swap. :lol2:

Rofl. Oh so true :(