I've been running Pro Tuner for a while now so thought it was time to talk about my experiences with it . I'll start with a little background on it

What can it do :
*Flash tuning of the factory computer with access to all engine controls
some examples : fan switching control , intake valve control , maf calibration , injector scaling , fuel mapping , timing mapping etc etc . Pretty much everything the AP can do .
*Logging of critical tuning information . Up to 2hrs worth i understand (not 100% sure on this) This is done via the plug in 'brick' .
*Real time display of all engine parameters monitored by he ECU - ie Scanalyser via usb port
*Normal Scanalyser software also included in the package

Some observations :
The first thing I found when attempting to tune my turbo 8 was that you cannot tune in real time . You need to take logs then load those logs onto your computer and analyse them then make the necessary changes .
I was used to my Powermod piggyback which can be tuned in real time so I initially saw this as a drawback as I could not imagine that you would want to dick around like this while on the dyno trying to tune .
Now that i've gotten used to it I really like that it works this way . You get to study the logs and make changes in a orderly fashion . So if you are a diy kind of person this way of doing it will suit you . If you are going to hand your tuning over to someone else that you are paying an hourly rate to , then this is not the best in my opinion.
All the critical maps that you need access to are available to play with at your hearts content but you had better get an understanding of what you are doing or you could easily get into trouble .
Hymee provided me with a base map that he uses for his supercharged 8 . I found this worked very well with my turbo . I only had to fine tune to get an excellent result that I am very happy with . I have now have very stable afrs throughout the rev range .

As far as funcionality is concerned - Hymee guided me through the learning phase pretty well and was always there if i got stuck . Top marks to Mark for service .
The software works very well as long as you follow the instructions - if I can figure it out anyone can .....

wow,

brett,

that answered a lot of my questions. only the vista is lacking.. ;) :)

great job again!

beers :beer:

Screen Shots? :D:

sure - here is my turbo timing map in 3d
you can rotate the map to see if there are any anomalies with your numbers

wow,

brett,

that answered a lot of my questions. only the vista is lacking.. ;) :)

great job again!

beers :beer:

Vista works good for me! I'll post a screen shot if you like.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Vista works good for me! I'll post a screen shot if you like.

Cheers,
Hymee.

naw,

it works, but it just is not solid like xp.. sorry scanilaser issue.

i dont recall the file i need to dump to get it back..

and btw, congrats. your dyno was yummy..

have you caught my note on you web email?

beers :beer:

...but it just is not solid like xp.. sorry scanilaser issue.


That is the "old" sCANalyser Live folks, before my new USB version.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Better than a Vista screen shot, how about a preliminary Screen Cam?

www.hymee.com/videos/SPTScreenCam.wmv

I am currently working on a number of nifty things, like making better use of the screen real estate, and some nice features to allow for the editing of "blocks" of selected cells at time. Stay tuned for more details.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Better than a Vista screen shot, how about a preliminary Screen Cam?

www.hymee.com/videos/SPTScreenCam.wmv

I am currently working on a number of nifty things, like making better use of the screen real estate, and some nice features to allow for the editing of "blocks" of selected cells at time. Stay tuned for more details.

Cheers,
Hymee.

You know this does make me want to stop what I'm doing and just shell out the $$$ and buy your unit, however I already invested on the other solution hardware for quite sometime and I want to finish what I start as a poorman DIY project (figurative speaking that is).

I do really like your solution and congratulation btw for a product well made.

Some observations :
The first thing I found when attempting to tune my turbo 8 was that you cannot tune in real time . You need to take logs then load those logs onto your computer and analyse them then make the necessary changes .


I'm sure when the product get more attention and mature enough, that will be possible along with auto tuning. In order to support real time tuning, you will need to re-write the assembly so that instead of reading value from ROM, it read from RAM (of course it should also have fail safe to make sure RAM is populate with values first). Due to the amount of memory available, it will have to be limited to certain map or may have to do one at a time. And when you want to commit, you can write the changes to ROM. You can also use this method to implement switching between multiples map.

hiya seikx8 :) good to see you are still working on it:)
ya know i think cobb does that rom/ram swap for some cars now

hiya seikx8 :) good to see you are still working on it:)
ya know i think cobb does that rom/ram swap for some cars now

Yeah, it's a hobby to keep me busy beside tracking. It get more interesting as I learn more about these stuffs; took me a while of poking around the embedded programming stuffs to get a better understanding and I'm just scratching the surface :)

Add me to the club. I'm eager to learn. Running NA at the moment.

sure - here is my turbo timing map in 3d
you can rotate the map to see if there are any anomalies with your numbers

Wow. That's a pretty screwed-up curve.

Wow. That's a pretty screwed-up curve.

Care to elaborate, rather than just make a sweeping statement?

Not that it makes any difference to me - the tool will allow you to smooth or un-screw the numbers as you see fit.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I do really like your solution and congratulation btw for a product well made.

Thanks mate!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Care to elaborate, rather than just make a sweeping statement?

Not that it makes any difference to me - the tool will allow you to smooth or un-screw the numbers as you see fit.



Sorry. I thought it was obvious.
The "curve" is backwards.

Sorry. I thought it was obvious.
The "curve" is backwards.


OK - It is all relative. What you are saying is that if I plot the load on the Y axis, and the RPM on the X axis, then you would be happy. Otherwise you want me to plot it in a different quadrant.

The curve is correct for the data. The data is correct for the engine. Perhaps all I need to do is have an option/preference as to which orientation to plot the graphs. No big drama. Anything is possible when you have written the application yourself :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Is this any better for you?

Cheers,
Hymee.

Sorry. I thought it was obvious.
The "curve" is backwards.

Heres another screenshot....

Is this any better for you?

Cheers,
Hymee.
I like it so, too :)...

Wow. That's a pretty screwed-up curve.

wow that was a really lame attempt to bash a competitors product even from you.

wow that was a really lame attempt to bash a competitors product even from you.

I wasn't talking about the product - I was talking about the actual timing values in the map.
They are upside-down!
Advancing to the torque peak and then backing down as RPMs climb.

Sheesh...

The software looks excellent.

The software looks excellent.

Thanks. It is.

Cheers,
Hymee.

PS - Still don't get what you mean about the values then. The correct values are plotted and align with the axes. Perhaps Brettus' chart looked funny due to the rotation he chose?

For some reason I can never glance at a 3d map and judge it... I always have to view the 2D "sliced" version....wierd huh?

Can you view in 2D?

Thanks. It is.

Cheers,
Hymee.

PS - Still don't get what you mean about the values then. The correct values are plotted and align with the axes. Perhaps Brettus' chart looked funny due to the rotation he chose?

Actually, I wasn't looking at the topological. I was looking at the actual timing values.

Even with my limited tunning knowledge, I know that you can make more tq with adjusting the timming between the leading and trailing plugs.

I'm more of a hardware design kinda guy.

MM..
Hymmee..

Humm, this thread is going to get interesting.

As for my kit that will be ready by 7stock this year, I have officially chosen Hymee for the management because I want the global advantage that I hear of so much. And.... I'm going to twist Hymee's arm and have him tune my set-up remotely, even though he dosemt know it yet...lol. But I guess now "Mark", now you know.

Hymee, I hope to get it to you this weekend. I'm going to pm you with the N/A set-up I'm working on to get the car ready for the addition of the S/C components.

you'd be surprised at the effect split has on the renesis

While I admit that the timing map is a bit unconventional, it doesn't look bad to me. It just looks different. I especially find it interesting how much advance he can run at higher load levels. Of course we aren't seeing split at all either nor are we seeing what octane fuel this was on or what intake temps were. There's an awful lot that can affect this so I can't say it looks bad in any way. It obviously works.

I've seen many different styles of tuning from no split to tons to negative and the leading maps are all very different between them. If you are used to seeing one particular style all day, another one can appear very strange. I myself am actually rethinking how I tune as I have a hunch there's a better way.

I would be surprised if it gave me more then 15whp and 20wtq. I know you can pull that off with the FD. I know they de-tuned the renny a bit for the states/emmisions. I know the engine has potential, it's all in the tunning.

Well gotta get the kid from school, later guys.

I wasn't talking about the product - I was talking about the actual timing values in the map.
They are upside-down!
Advancing to the torque peak and then backing down as RPMs climb.

Sheesh...

The software looks excellent.

think you are looking at it wrong . The map is basically stock NA from 100% load down then pretty much as we discussed a while back from then upwards . The timing is backed off a little from what was on Hymees' base map .

think you are looking at it wrong . The map is basically stock NA from 100% load down then pretty much as we discussed a while back from then upwards . The timing is backed off a little from what was on Hymees' base map .

Additionally, the timing numbers I posted were direct from a stock NA map. I am refraining from posting a screen shot from that other software but it has essentially the same values, and the graph "looks" the same. Except it doesn't look sexy and easy to read like mine. Am I allowed to post a comparo pic??

So I don't get how/why the timing numbers can be called as looking screwed...

Cheers,
Hymee.

Except it doesn't look sexy and easy to read like mine.
lol, its DEAD SEXY (in a Mike Myers scottish accent) !!

Am I allowed to post a comparo pic??

I'm allowed to! ;)

wtb comparo pic ;)

Attached.
The AccessPORT software is pretty sexy, actually.
The text portion is color-scaled just like the contour map, so it is easy to correlate points from one to the other.
The contour map can be freely rotated in real time with the mouse as well, so you can get different perspectives on how it is shaping up.


BTW - I figured out what I was reading wrong in your ignition map.
Its very confusing they way you have it laid out, but now I get it.

Love the thread crappage. Typical.

Nice software Hymee.

Love the thread crappage. Typical.



:icon_no2:

I am refraining from posting a screen shot from that other software but it has essentially the same values, and the graph "looks" the same. Except it doesn't look sexy and easy to read like mine. Am I allowed to post a comparo pic??

I'm allowed to! [sic] ;)

wtb comparo pic ;)
:spank:

Colouring the grid cells isn't anything new or unique. HP Tuners does it, and I did that 3 years ago on my prototype - I just haven't put that bit in the release yet.

Spinning the surface chart with the mouse has always been there (refer the screen cam I posted earlier).

Cheers,
Hymee.

Colouring the grid cells isn't anything new or unique.


Of course not.
Hondata was doing it 10 years ago.
And AEM. And Haltech. Etc.
But it is very useful.


Spinning the surface chart with the mouse has always been there (refer the screen cam I posted earlier).


Excellent.

So the two packages are roughly equivalent, on the surface at least.

Colouring the grid cells isn't anything new or unique. HP Tuners does it, and I did that 3 years ago on my prototype - I just haven't put that bit in the release yet.

Spinning the surface chart with the mouse has always been there (refer the screen cam I posted earlier).

Cheers,
Hymee.

Was recently on Cobb's website, and they have an announcement regarding incorporating MAP as an adjunct/replacement to the MAF (for the Subarus)...any thoughts on this being a possibility with the RX-8 pcm? I realize the Pro Tuner was a recent release and I'm already asking for more...but I think you know why I'd be interested in the possibility of such a feature...;)

Was recently on Cobb's website, and they have an announcement regarding incorporating MAP as an adjunct/replacement to the MAF (for the Subarus)...any thoughts on this being a possibility with the RX-8 pcm? I realize the Pro Tuner was a recent release and I'm already asking for more...but I think you know why I'd be interested in the possibility of such a feature...;)

That capability is already incorporated in the RX-8 as it stands right now, in a way.
We are integrating MAP and MAF with the AP right now on some boosted applications.
I think it would be really easy for Hymee to do the same, so it is very likely that he will.

That capability is already incorporated in the RX-8 as it stands right now, in a way.
We are integrating MAP and MAF with the AP right now on some boosted applications.
I think it would be really easy for Hymee to do the same, so it is very likely that he will.

I've been wondering for a while why no one had taken this step, but clearly someone had. Whoever comes out with it for the RX-8, I think in the future there will be a market...or heck even now for the kits that weren't engineered to accomodate MAF. Are they using like a GM 3 bar sensor?

Well, this is not an AccessPORT thread, so there is no point in my going into depth on that here.
Suffice to say the RX-8 already comes from Mazda with the capacity to operate the way the Subarus do with a joint MAF/MAP setup.

/\Is there any advantage in that setup if you already have reliable maf readings ?

MAF Technology supercedes MAP only technology and allows much more accurate fuelling. The "MAP maps"* in the RX-8 are there, primarily as a failover mode if/when the MAF fails, and it goes to a "limp mode" based on the less accurate Speed/Density maps.

Possible, but not something I am really that interested in as I am a MAF convert.

Cheers,
Hymee.

*They are not actually MAP maps. They are BAROmetric adjustment maps. The "MAP" sensor is a BARO sensor as it isn't in the intake, although I assume that is what one would be doing in this case.

MAF Technology supercedes MAP only technology and allows much more accurate fuelling. The "MAP maps"* in the RX-8 are there, primarily as a failover mode if/when the MAF fails, and it goes to a "limp mode" based on the less accurate Speed/Density maps.

Possible, but not something I am really that interested in as I am a MAF convert.

Cheers,
Hymee.

*They are not actually MAP maps. They are BAROmetric adjustment maps. The "MAP" sensor is a BARO sensor as it isn't in the intake, although I assume that is what one would be doing in this case.

I agree that MAF supercedes, but in your experience do you see the Renesis being able to exceed 1 bar on the MAF and still be capable of doing its job effectively?

/\Is there any advantage in that setup if you already have reliable maf readings ?

Yes.
The MAF reads the air into the motor, but a MAP helps you decide where that air is actually going.
It is particularly useful in "trimming" what the PCM has calculated as its load at that moment.

MAF Technology supercedes MAP only technology and allows much more accurate fuelling. The "MAP maps"* in the RX-8 are there, primarily as a failover mode if/when the MAF fails, and it goes to a "limp mode" based on the less accurate Speed/Density maps.


*They are not actually MAP maps. They are BAROmetric adjustment maps. The "MAP" sensor is a BARO sensor as it isn't in the intake, although I assume that is what one would be doing in this case.

Its actually more than that.
You are just looking at the one-row BARO correction table.

I agree that MAF supercedes, but in your experience do you see the Renesis being able to exceed 1 bar on the MAF and still be capable of doing its job effectively?

First of all, the old mantra:

FLOW is not PRESSURE.
"1 BAR" might mean a wide range of things.

That said, I exceed 1 bar pretty regularly with the factory MAF and my calibrations.

What I am talking about here is NOT a MAF replacement.
Rather, it is a supplement to the MAF in deciding how to handle the movement of positive air displacement above N/A.

I agree that MAF supercedes, but in your experience do you see the Renesis being able to exceed 1 bar on the MAF and still be capable of doing its job effectively?

On a "draw through" setup, this makes no difference.

On a "push through" setup, it shouldn't make any difference (hot-wire MAF is not subject to pressure variations), as the MAF is measuring the mass flow, based on the cooling effect of the air molecules on the hot-wire. I'm doing some of my own research on the applicability of having a pressurised MAF, but there are OEM and aftermarket setups out there that have the MAF on the boost side. In the end, it (mass flow) is a measurment used to determine load. And these PCM's use load based tuning.

Cheers,
Hymee.

What actually happens is somewhat different than the "theory", unfortunately.
Having manifold pressure as a reference on top of mass flow gives you the ability to be proactive with regards to load delta.

I'm not trying to argue with you, I was trying to give a reasoned response to another question.

Since there is a sensor there that the PCM can read, and we can alter various behavious based on the sensor reading, then it can be utilised... Good bad or otherwise.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Since there is a sensor there that the PCM can read, and we can alter various behavious based on the sensor reading, then it can be utilised... Good bad or otherwise.

Yes.

The "secret" to that sensor is in increasing the resolution of the table that it affects.

I would be surprised if it gave me more then 15whp and 20wtq. I know you can pull that off with the FD..


thats why i said surprised- split doesnt even have that much effect

Yes.

The "secret" to that sensor is in increasing the resolution of the table that it affects.

Do you want to increase the range or the resolution? The range is really easy to do with SPT.

Since I know the table structures and definitions, it is plausible to increase the resolution and add in extra rows/columns. A bit of byte shuffling etc, but possible.

The range might be enough, the PCM interpolates intermediate values anyway.

Cheers,
Hymee.

:score::score::score:I've been running Pro Tuner for a while now so thought it was time to talk about my experiences with it . I'll start with a little background on it

What can it do :
*Flash tuning of the factory computer with access to all engine controls
some examples : fan switching control , intake valve control , maf calibration , injector scaling , fuel mapping , timing mapping etc etc . Pretty much everything the AP can do .
*Logging of critical tuning information . Up to 2hrs worth i understand (not 100% sure on this) This is done via the plug in 'brick' .
*Real time display of all engine parameters monitored by he ECU - ie Scanalyser via usb port
*Normal Scanalyser software also included in the package

Some observations :
The first thing I found when attempting to tune my turbo 8 was that you cannot tune in real time . You need to take logs then load those logs onto your computer and analyse them then make the necessary changes .
I was used to my Powermod piggyback which can be tuned in real time so I initially saw this as a drawback as I could not imagine that you would want to dick around like this while on the dyno trying to tune .
Now that i've gotten used to it I really like that it works this way . You get to study the logs and make changes in a orderly fashion . So if you are a diy kind of person this way of doing it will suit you . If you are going to hand your tuning over to someone else that you are paying an hourly rate to , then this is not the best in my opinion.
All the critical maps that you need access to are available to play with at your hearts content but you had better get an understanding of what you are doing or you could easily get into trouble .
Hymee provided me with a base map that he uses for his supercharged 8 . I found this worked very well with my turbo . I only had to fine tune to get an excellent result that I am very happy with . I have now have very stable afrs throughout the rev range .

As far as funcionality is concerned - Hymee guided me through the learning phase pretty well and was always there if i got stuck . Top marks to Mark for service .
The software works very well as long as you follow the instructions - if I can figure it out anyone can .....

I 2nd that, Top marks to Mark.
And I've been runing the Pro-Tuner for about a year, and this has totally open up the Rx8's Computer for re-flashing, Easy to use, does the job fast, I've done a re-flash on the side of the road.
Base maps form Mark were very close to what was needed, this is by far the Best Money I've Spent on My 8.
But Unlike Brettus, I don't use the Pro-Tuner for logging or live, I've got XP, and have scanalzyer V2, which I'm more than happy with using as a logger or with the live mode.

The Pro-Tuner is that a Tuner tool, one of the Best.
Cheers Mark.

Yes.
First of all, the old mantra:

FLOW is not PRESSURE.
"1 BAR" might mean a wide range of things.

That said, I exceed 1 bar pretty regularly with the factory MAF and my calibrations.

What I am talking about here is NOT a MAF replacement.
Rather, it is a supplement to the MAF in deciding how to handle the movement of positive air displacement above N/A.

A topic that has been beaten to death with no need of re-hedging when it is understood and accepted.

But fair enough, so how much flow - grams per second, CFM, lbs min, whatever, are you seeing across the MAF on your application? Have you seen a limit to flow that it can handle in conjunction with the limitations of the PCM?

On a "draw through" setup, this makes no difference.

On a "push through" setup, it shouldn't make any difference (hot-wire MAF is not subject to pressure variations), as the MAF is measuring the mass flow, based on the cooling effect of the air molecules on the hot-wire. I'm doing some of my own research on the applicability of having a pressurised MAF, but there are OEM and aftermarket setups out there that have the MAF on the boost side. In the end, it (mass flow) is a measurment used to determine load. And these PCM's use load based tuning.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I guess my question would be the same...what are the limits of actual volume flowed through the factory MAF/tube/PCM load tables before you lose granularity...or has this not yet been determined?


If no one has reached the limits yet, or pushed that far, great. I'm just curious having to this point only used MAP based systems. I'd like to make the switch to MAF but as of yet have not bothered.

A topic that has been beaten to death with no need of re-hedging when it is understood and accepted.

But fair enough, so how much flow - grams per second, CFM, lbs min, whatever, are you seeing across the MAF on your application? Have you seen a limit to flow that it can handle in conjunction with the limitations of the PCM?



I guess my question would be the same...what are the limits of actual volume flowed through the factory MAF/tube/PCM load tables before you lose granularity...or has this not yet been determined?


If no one has reached the limits yet, or pushed that far, great. I'm just curious having to this point only used MAP based systems. I'd like to make the switch to MAF but as of yet have not bothered.

closest i've read...

IAT showed 65°.
The MAF is good out to 425 g/sec in the OE tube diameter.
So, yes, I will run out of MAF soon.
I'm actually running out of PCM resolution even faster.
I've exceeded AbsLOAD of 2.00 and That is where I setup my limit!
I'm starting to see AbsLOADs around 2.05

closest i've read...

Thanks!

Scaling the MAF. I know it was asked here.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=169597

btw that absload of 2.00 that MM posted is right where damon who used to work at RB tuned the white sc'd renegade 8 up to. we never talked about whether he tried more or not

btw that absload of 2.00 that MM posted is right where damon who used to work at RB tuned the white sc'd renegade 8 up to. we never talked about whether he tried more or not

And to think, it was there lurking behind that garage door, while we walked past it that day...

what control does the ProTuner have for idle speed? The AP has 4 or 5 nondescript idle vs ect tables with no clues as to what they are.... ugh

yeah - same deal with protuner ....

doh! maybe hymee can chime in here to unlock a mystery???

I'll play with them today - and get back y'all.

I am off to work on Punisher8's car in a few hours - he has the Pro Tuner.

I'll play with them today - and get back y'all.
.

when you finish playing with them could you have a look at those idle maps ? :lol:

Touche....

any luck on the idle map meanings?

hymee: is it possible to scale the AFR gauge on the software for a turbo application? (otherwise it's going to read super rich at all times)
CarPC is in my very near future and this will be wired into it at all times. :)

hymee: is it possible to scale the AFR gauge on the software for a turbo application? (otherwise it's going to read super rich at all times)


wat ?

I got the protuner when I upgraded to the USB Live. Figured I'd just ask here.

why would you want it to read anything but a true reading ?

let me clairfy:
When I'm running the Live Mode, the AFR gauge can be set to have a "rich" and "lean" zone. I want an accurate reading, but the sweet spot on a FI car is richer then that of an N/A. I want to scale the zones. (get it?)
Car will have an actual AFR gauge, the carPC is just for fun as it'll monitor other aspects of the vehicle.

OK - got it . You had me worried there for a bit :)

let me clairfy:
When I'm running the Live Mode, the AFR gauge can be set to have a "rich" and "lean" zone. I want an accurate reading, but the sweet spot on a FI car is richer then that of an N/A. I want to scale the zones. (get it?)
Car will have an actual AFR gauge, the carPC is just for fun as it'll monitor other aspects of the vehicle.

OK - I see. You want to just change the graphic on the gauge. It is all relative I guess, and just meant to give an simplistic idea, not a target for tuning.

Cheers,
Hymee.

What are the chances of you getting to add the MAF volts on the logger side of this thing? We do need it to properly scale the MAF (IMOHO).

kane

if you use scanalyser live usb, u will be able to log maf volts as well as a lot of other parameters

hymee, i see that you published an update to pro tuner, are there any major changes?

Can I get the link to that? I got the pro tuner and EFI dude ones only...

/\ pretty sure you can download scanalyser for usb and use your brick ...

i'll see if i can find a link


however the dudelogger logging is superior in lots of ways IMO . So getting more parameters on there would be better .

this is the link but it no worky anymore ....
http://www.performancedesign.com.au/downloads/sCANalyser%20Live%20V2.0.0.3%20Beta.zip

You will have to get with Hymee for that. I have been using Scanlive for about 3 years now, and for the most part love it.

Too.... many...... moving.... parts - LOL

Can I just have one software plz? :D

/\ pretty sure you can download scanalyser for usb and use your brick ...

i'll see if i can find a link


however the dudelogger logging is superior in lots of ways IMO . So getting more parametere on there would be better .

I would let Hymee provide the link for scanlive, as it is his software, and i know he has charged for it in the past. I have a link, but I dont want to step on any toes and piss off Hymee. He has put a lot of time into his work, you know.

I would let Hymee provide the link for scanlive, as it is his software, and i know he has charged for it in the past. I have a link, but I dont want to step on any toes and piss off Hymee. He has put a lot of time into his work, you know.

but it wont work without the brick anyway so i can't see a problem - could be wrong ?

Too.... many...... moving.... parts - LOL

Can I just have one software plz? :D


see post 79

Looks like it is being redone.

You are right, Scanlive, either in its previous serial port version, or the new usb version, will not work without the appropriate hardware, but until Hymee says it is alright for me to distribute his work, I will have to assume that he wants to control who can and cannot have access. I'm sure Kane would not use it for any nefarious purposes, and my understanding is that Scanlive will be included with SPT, but until Hymee says its cool, I am going to play on the safe side of things.

Meanie..... ;)

No worries man.

What are the chances of you getting to add the MAF volts on the logger side of this thing? We do need it to properly scale the MAF (IMOHO).

To do that, I need to change the firmware in the brick. One of the things I wanted to do for a while, but I'm not there yet.

Cheers,
Hymee.

kane

if you use scanalyser live usb, u will be able to log maf volts as well as a lot of other parameters

hymee, i see that you published an update to pro tuner, are there any major changes?

I added a special experimental feature to allow a different base calibration to be flashed onto a PCM. For example, someone had a "N3YHEC", but I could only get the "D". It seemed to be a success.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Good to hear. Any news on bypassing the limit on the number of flashes we can perform as yet?

Hymee ,
we did some tuning on Dave's car yesterday . Worked out pretty well.

Found his fuel map to be map no. 2 (the one that should be gear 3-4) . Mine is map no 1 . Everyone else seems to be saying they have 3 maps relating to the gears - Very strange . Have you seen this before ?

I added a special experimental feature to allow a different base calibration to be flashed onto a PCM. For example, someone had a "N3YHEC", but I could only get the "D". It seemed to be a success.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Awaiting my email.... tee hee hee

The cal I am working on doesn't have the idle maps.... wierd.

PS - The stock tune for the 2005 RX8 is shit....

how is your tuning with Protuner going Kane ?

Have you verified that all the fuel maps work for the different gears ?

The tuning is going very very well.... wow an NA RX8 has a lot more room for power than I would have thought.

The MAF scale is they key - and I shall be automating it this weekend... I have to use the dashhawk to get volts though... I WANT VOLTS ON THE HYMEE!!!!

My gear maps work as they are supposed to.

Otherwise no complains at all.... still no idle maps though - I'll check my maps in a few days.

Have you gone back to NA ?

Have you gone back to NA ?

better remove his overboosted overlord status :lol:

better remove his overboosted overlord status :lol:

yeh - better get him Struck off !
Oh wait - it's his thread :lol:

LOL - I am tuning Punisher's RX8 - he has the Pro Tuner.

If you really wanted to, you could log mass flow, and use the curve to deduce volts. Kind of arse about, but do-able.

sCANalyser Live USB should be able to log volts, but I'm not sure that bit is working - as I have let people know it is a very early release, and I'm struggling to spread my time to it.

To put MAF Volts into the logger is also possible... Where the last 5 minutes just go again??

Kane - perhaps some of the guys here can help fill in the gaps in my early doco?

Cheers,
Hymee.

Thanks for the update - I'll keep working it; for now I have no real complaints except for scaling the MAF - which I can do without volts BUT... the right way is to use volts since that is how the table is configured.

I have a 5MT (4port) EUDM RX8 and I was wondering if by using the Pro Tuner I could do a couple of things to my RX8 (since the product page is not very informative):
a) Alter the redline limit (increase it probably)
b) Smooth out my rich AFRs (low 11s, trying to increase mileage and HP output)
c) Alter the kick-in/shutdown temps of the fans
d) Increase the idle
e) Toy with IAT (although I really don't want to do anything serious with this)

I understand from these posts that (b), (c) and (d) are OK, but what about the others ?

I have also sent an email to Hymee about getting the Tuner and I am waiting for the good news....:p:

You can do them all.

Pro tuner work with 09's?

Pro tuner work with 09's?

I need a CAL-ID out of one of them so I can have a look.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I need a CAL-ID out of one of them so I can have a look.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I'll play the dummy. What's a CAL-ID? I'm interested in this for my 09, so I would gladly lend a hand.

I'll play the dummy. What's a CAL-ID? I'm interested in this for my 09, so I would gladly lend a hand.

It's like a software version number of the calibration in your cars "computer" aka PCM (Powertrain Control Module) or ECU.

You can read it with a scan tool, just like you can read the cars VIN number electronically.

Also, if you remove the cover from the PCM, there will be a label on it with a number like N3J6 or something like that. Take a pic of it and send it to me if you want.

Cheers,
Hymee.

What is the all motor HP gain over stock with the Hymee?

I got 14 WHP last night.

What is the all motor HP gain over stock with the Hymee?

I got 14 WHP last night.

I didn't know there was even a claim that the tuning package made more hp? of course it will with a good tune up, so I reckon those 14 horses are all due to your fine tuning :ylsuper:

Yeah but most of our discussions are based on FI; I just didn't know if anyone was messing with the Hymee in NA mode. And if so what areas they noticed were jacked?

Yeah but most of our discussions are based on FI; I just didn't know if anyone was messing with the Hymee in NA mode. And if so what areas they noticed were jacked?

I've had the pro tuner for around a year, and I'm N/A, and it'll pretty safe to say that I've had some good gains.

Of course any gains to be had are the bragging rights of the tuner, not the software! I'm just providing a tool, you guys are the smart ones :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

I wish we could figure out how to block those damn cels ...... !

I wish we could figure out how to block those damn cels ...... !

Turn them off.

/\ easy for you to say

/\ easy for you to say

What do you mean? The Hymee thing turns off CELs, doesn't it?

I'm sure it does - if you know what you are doing ....

I'm sure it does - if you know what you are doing ....

Wait. I'm confused now.
Aren't you tuning your car with this thing?

sure - just don't know how to turn off the Cels

Aren't you tuning your car with this thing?

Tuning = YES.

Ignoring potential important warnings = NO!

It has not been a requirement of mine to do this. I don't need to mask any CELS with the blower. When I get time and enough need to mask the CEL's I'll add that bit in. It hasn't been a concern for anyone so far.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Tuning = YES.

Ignoring potential important warnings = NO!

It has not been a requirement of mine to do this. I don't need to mask any CELS with the blower. When I get time and enough need to mask the CEL's I'll add that bit in. It hasn't been a concern for anyone so far.

Cheers,
Hymee.

So, you haven't had any customers wanting to turn off the CELs for the CAT or the rear O2 sensor?
How about the completely superfluous P0300/301/302?
Or the P225x for those without an airpump?
Or the P2401-07 for the Pettit owners?

It hasn't been a concern for anyone so far.
.

It is for me - I'm sure there are others as well . I have tried to figure it out but don't even know where to look amongst the 550 or so possible places it might be ....

Any updates on this software? Just purchased a used pettit sc system and thinking of going with the pro tuner as my choice of engine management.
Hymee, have you had any pettit sc customers?
Has the CEL masking feature been added? Will have a midpipe.
Do any base maps come with the pro tuner? Would like to experiment a littler NA before I start experiment with boost. I know you have some base maps for you sc, do you think they will work with the pettit sc?
Thanks

Any updates on this software? Just purchased a used pettit sc system and thinking of going with the pro tuner as my choice of engine management.
Hymee, have you had any pettit sc customers?
Has the CEL masking feature been added? Will have a midpipe.
Do any base maps come with the pro tuner? Would like to experiment a littler NA before I start experiment with boost. I know you have some base maps for you sc, do you think they will work with the pettit sc?
Thanks

I'm sure the protuner will run the Pettit kit just fine with Hymees' base map - boost is boost .
The Cel blocking thing has not been addressed as yet - hopefully he will get onto it .

Great. Another question. I'm a total newb when it comes to tuning. May know how a few things work but never tuned anything in my life. How's the difficulty of learning all the basics, adjusting you own maps, etc. Have any of you started on the pro tuner? Anyone I can constantly bug for help when it comes to the pro tuner? LOL

Hymee has a noticeboard for just such things .
My 8 is fully tuned on Protuner running a turbo . Happy to help .
Good idea to start off by tuning an NA car IMO .

yes that's my plan, just trying to learn about it as much as possible before I commit to buy. Not so much info on the pro tuner as there is on other ems's

Great. Another question. I'm a total newb when it comes to tuning. May know how a few things work but never tuned anything in my life. How's the difficulty of learning all the basics, adjusting you own maps, etc. Have any of you started on the pro tuner? Anyone I can constantly bug for help when it comes to the pro tuner? LOL

the cobb access port and protuner are just different tools to do the same thing. whatever people claim the maps are the same. the discussion about the cobb access port is just as applicable to the protuner and vice versa.

I believe for the kit petitt use the same flashing hardware as protuner - they just don't give you the software.

the cobb access port and protuner are just different tools to do the same thing. whatever people claim the maps are the same. the discussion about the cobb access port is just as applicable to the protuner and vice versa.

I believe for the kit petitt use the same flashing hardware as protuner - they just don't give you the software.

No and no.

All flash tuning devices/software are based on the same principles, but the available tools and how they accomplish what they do is different from one system to the other.

The available maps and DTC functions between the AP and ProTuner are different (or absent) and the tuning regimen is a bit different.
You can achieve some of the same essential functions with both, but you will go about it in an entirely different way with each.

Pettit uses something entirely different.
Last I checked, they were still using the EFI Dude stuff.

No and no.

All flash tuning devices/software are based on the same principles, but the available tools and how they accomplish what they do is different from one system to the other.

The available maps and DTC functions between the AP and ProTuner are different (or absent) and the tuning regimen is a bit different.
You can achieve some of the same essential functions with both, but you will go about it in an entirely different way with each.

Pettit uses something entirely different.
Last I checked, they were still using the EFI Dude stuff.

your talking shit.
I have both acesstuner and protuner and they have exactly the same maps and values.

What are you talking about? The Hymee ProTuner stuff doesn't even mask DTCs. How is that the same?

What are you talking about? The Hymee ProTuner stuff doesn't even mask DTCs. How is that the same?

your not talking about tuning differences you are talking about minor functionality. they use the same engine managment and they are just different ways to tune the same maps. each give you slightly different focus. however they are tuned the same way.

I'm confident hymee has the ability to work the DTC's out he just hasn't see it as a high priority. I don't need that functionality so they don't worry me either. if you do a search the access port has a few issues with DTC's, so it's not without fault in this regard.

I loves me an apologist.

On another matter
I've been trying to resolve an issue over the last few days .
I have my maf/injector scaling to a point where target vs actual is perfect at a particular boost level - say 9psi .
If I then run at 5psi i noitce it runs about 2% richer across the board than it should. Also notice that at part throttle acceleration it runs way richer than target maybe 7-8% .

I don't see anyway I can rectify this with the maps I have been using . Wonder if the Ve maps would affect this ?

Temp Maybe?

Corrections for IAT may be dumping more fuel as the lower charge air is cooler...

Such is the result of using injector scaling to resolve a MAF scaling issue.

Pull some MAF in those ranges and then look at the Ve table.

Best bet is to get the idle MAF scale correct with the correct injector scaling and then work "out" from there.

Also, the closed loop fueling tables with "fix" the part throttle, <5000 RPM ranges, but they are very sensitive and prone to interaction.

On a boosted application, the IAT table needs to be completely reworked as does the BARO table.

Such is the result of using injector scaling to resolve a MAF scaling issue.

Pull some MAF in those ranges and then look at the Ve table.

Best bet is to get the idle MAF scale correct with the correct injector scaling and then work "out" from there.

Also, the closed loop fueling tables with "fix" the part throttle, <5000 RPM ranges, but they are very sensitive and prone to interaction.

On a boosted application, the IAT table needs to be completely reworked as does the BARO table.

This problem is with the injectors correctly scaled BTW (not the way I had it last week).
Hmmm - have not touched any of those other maps you mentioned

How do you know the injectors are properly scaled?

How do you know the injectors are properly scaled?

If they weren't I would not be able to get target vs actual lambda to match up ....

If they weren't I would not be able to get target vs actual lambda to match up ....

Not true.
The MAF calibration would mask this and then the injector staging comes into play.

Well when I scaled the injectors the change in lambda i had to make , exactly matched the % change in overall fueling . That is to say the changes to the fueling were as predicted .

Well when I scaled the injectors the change in lambda i had to make , exactly matched the % change in overall fueling . That is to say the changes to the fueling were as predicted .

Well, obviously not if it is over-fueling at lower loads.
You just matched the end-points.

How about this then - I had exactly the same issue before the injectors were scaled , when they were scaled at 1/2 way between the two settings and now that they are fully scaled .

Its only now that I have it running close to perfect under WOT that I'm looking at improving the part throttle fueling

Well, then since you've decided you have it right, adjust the things you can.
MAF scaling at 40g/sec to 100 g/sec and CL fueling A and B.

Brettus - have you tried the MAF tool in my software? It may help you find these kind of "holes".

Brettus - have you tried the MAF tool in my software? It may help you find these kind of "holes".

It's more than a "hole" .
With all the playing around i've done with the maf and noting the effects - I can't see it being maf related .

Its worst at low rpm and over 100% load BTW - 3000-5000 rpm

Use the % to add or remove map in my software..... at least that will mark the cells where your jacked up.

I haven't looked at your software -sorry . Mainly because i thought i had it pretty right before you got it finished.
But I have done charts of actual vs target and they are damn near perfect at wot and 9-10 psi from 2000-8500

PM-ing.

Remember - my software takes in a LOT of data - not just WOT BS; so it will find areas in your map that are off.

Getting the fueling at WOT across the board means nothing about the proper calibration of either the MAF or injector scaling.
It just means you got the two related to each other enough so that the pretty little numbers in the fuel tables are equal to the output AFR.

By "100%" I assume you mean calculated load. Work in absolute.
The range you are losing it in is controlled by the CL tables.

/\ I doubt that the CL tables do anything at over 100% load . Tests I did a while back showed CL only operates at very light loads .

I have it pretty close to perfect now . Did this by setting maf calibration at a point midway between WOT and part throttle . Then just adjusted the afr on the fueling table to gradually taper down from 100% load to 160% load .
This gives me the desired AFRs in all load situations but the fueling table (actual vs theoretical) is out by up to 10% in places

Hello Hymee and all you guys,

Please take a look at your emails because i need a VIN Token.

Thank you for your fast reply cause my RX8 SP needs a good PCM tuning with my manifold/midpipe/catback.

Tsar / Rx8france.com

UP to just let you know i finally did it on my 192hp french Rx8 and it is just great.

We did 2 runs with GTECH and we saw that i had more power at higher revs and more torque at lower revs , so the engine is much smoother and responsive.

now i redline to 9000 instead of 7500 on my 192hp model and we managed to do a 0 to 100 km/h in 6.6 seconds which is quite good with 19 wheels and the PCM not quite recalibrated at that time, i am sure i can do a 6.3 run with 18 wheels after more kilometers which would be the time of a good 231 model.

also and most important it made my 02 sensor light disappear since i have a midpipe and we Scananalysed the car to check that everything was good.

so yes it's a great mod with a midpipe, it really changes the engine smoothness, thanks Mark of Hymee, Raspoutine in Rx8france and JMI my friend who made the fine tuning on my car.

Good work Tsar . Are you planning any FI mods or staying NA ?

Good work Tsar . Are you planning any FI mods or staying NA ?

If FI means Turbo or Supercharger , guess i will stay NA cause here in france it is expensive for me to buy and it is hard to be delivered : a friend canceled 3 orders with Hymee, Pettit and Esmeril cause noone could deliver him quickly when he wanted / needed to.

Also here in france, few people can repair the rotary engines so definitly i will stay NA.

If FI means Turbo or Supercharger , guess i will stay NA cause here in france it is expensive for me to buy and it is hard to be delivered : a friend canceled 3 orders with Hymee, Pettit and Esmeril cause noone could deliver him quickly when he wanted / needed to.

Also here in france, few people can repair the rotary engines so definitly i will stay NA.

I have 3 "un-spoken for" S/C kits in production at the moment if you would like to let your friend know :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hymee,

Awaiting email answer from you.

UP to just let you know i finally did it on my 192hp french Rx8 and it is just great.

We did 2 runs with GTECH and we saw that i had more power at higher revs and more torque at lower revs , so the engine is much smoother and responsive.

now i redline to 9000 instead of 7500 on my 192hp model and we managed to do a 0 to 100 km/h in 6.6 seconds which is quite good with 19 wheels and the PCM not quite recalibrated at that time, i am sure i can do a 6.3 run with 18 wheels after more kilometers which would be the time of a good 231 model.

also and most important it made my 02 sensor light disappear since i have a midpipe and we Scananalysed the car to check that everything was good.

so yes it's a great mod with a midpipe, it really changes the engine smoothness, thanks Mark of Hymee, Raspoutine in Rx8france and JMI my friend who made the fine tuning on my car.

How were you able to elimate the rear O2 CEL as as far as I am aware, Hymee has not added that functionality to the product as yet.

How were you able to elimate the rear O2 CEL as as far as I am aware, Hymee has not added that functionality to the product as yet.

indeed, it is only the fact of fine tuning the PCM engine that gets the CEL away and I find it natural since for me it is the goal of Pro Tuner : exploiting the fact of not having a catalystor anymore and so adapt the PCM to this change and make everything work normaly, and it leads to no more cell and perfect engine performance.

on the other hand if you just wish to erase a cell without "repairing" your problems just by clicking a button in a software, i find this method not good cause your engine will never work perfectly and you might even damage your mechanic on the mid term.

(sorry for my english, remember i'm french)

indeed, it is only the fact of fine tuning the PCM engine that gets the CEL away and I find it natural since for me it is the goal of Pro Tuner : exploiting the fact of not having a catalystor anymore and so adapt the PCM to this change and make everything work normaly, and it leads to no more cell and perfect engine performance.

on the other hand if you just wish to erase a cell without "repairing" your problems just by clicking a button in a software, i find this method not good cause your engine will never work perfectly and you might even damage your mechanic on the mid term.

(sorry for my english, remember i'm french)

If you want good performance you tune for good performance .You cannot tune for no cels . It does not work that way . The fact that you don't get a cel is your good luck . I was lucky also when i ran a midpipe when NA and did not get a cel .
I think it could be to do with earlier 03 -04 models having slightly different parameters for throwing a cel .

Yeah, you can't "tune" out the CEL.
The PCM looks for a difference before and after the CAT. If there is no difference (regardless of actual lambda), it will throw the code.
It also takes a series of drive cycles.
The '03/'04 PCM has a different "tolerance" than the '05 - up PCM.

Ok guys, i didn't see things this way : for me the CEL was there because my engine was too rich and i thought that the CEL went off because of fine tuning it.

I will tell your advise to our french forum because everyone thinks that goal of PCM tuning is good performance and no more CEL :squint:.

Hey Hymee. You ever get that Pro tuner to work with 09's?
I remember you saying you only needed some numbers or something? if that's the case I might be able to provide you with them soon.

As said it dosent work that way, you can have the best tune in the world and still get a CEL for a missing catalyst. O2 front and O2 Back just look for a known difference between them.

Hey Hymee. You ever get that Pro tuner to work with 09's?
I remember you saying you only needed some numbers or something? if that's the case I might be able to provide you with them soon.

I just need a CalID - a good scan tool will report it - to start with. I need to stop by me dealer and check out an '09.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hi guys, a little video to show you how is it on a french 192 SP manual model with exedy flywheel and midpipe, 9000 rpm now and more torque everywhere :

http://www.youtube.com/user/Tsargate#p/a/u/0/D_6OnDN6sHs

enjoy :D

/\ heh - you might have to disable your beeper as is seems to be on more often than not ..

Hey hymee - i see you are on this thread atm

Can you tell me how to increase the load scaling above 200% please ? I'm right on 200 at peak torque and want to go another 10% or so .. Cheers

/\ heh - you might have to disable your beeper as is seems to be on more often than not ..

if it is simple, i would be happy to do it indeed.

i guess it's a mechanical process between the dashboard linked to the tachymeter ? (please reply by MP if you a topic knowledge on this forum to show me or an answer thks)

Reflash the Dash :) I'm sure it can be done...

any tuning recommendations for the VE table above 125% load?

Here is mine - not perfect but does the job for me

Major changes on this table - will alter your AF ratio so be careful ...

thanks brettus

how are the ve numbers applied? say you have a 1.05 will that add fuel for a lower lambda?

thanks brettus

how are the ve numbers applied? say you have a 1.05 will that add fuel for a lower lambda?

Edited ...

The only reason I can see to even bother using the Ve table is to help even up your fueling table so that target = actual .

over 1 will take fuel out and below 1 will add fuel .

The only reason I can see to even bother using the Ve table is to help even up your fueling table so that target = actual .

Yep that it is....once your MAF and injectors are scaled; this is the map I use to get my target and actual the same....

Though I have always gone backwards, more VE% = more fuel... so a 1.05 would add fuel and a .95 would take it out.

Seems to work for me.

/\ you are quite correct - my apologies . It takes some thinking to figure out what is happening

Lower the number on the Ve table and AFR will lean out . So you have to make a corresponding adjustment on the fuel table to add fuel .

I taking a different approach. my MAF's are normally within 5% without calibration. however there are spots where I characteristically go lean. these coincide with where the valves are opening ie a change in VE. I going to try using the VE table to address these.

I don't believe that calibrating the MAF can compensate for these points properly as that would affect the rest of the MAF curve.

so which way is it?
I would have guessed .95 is a percentage and 95% of the target lambda would be applied. since lambda is smaller is richer, .95 would add 5% more fuel.

Hi guys, here's a video i did rapidly this week end, acceleration is poor cause 4 wheels on the back seats and PCM not calibrated since new map the same day , but now my SP model revs to 9600 rpm :D :

http://www.youtube.com/user/Tsargate#p/u/0/blbPfYyOQh4

second gear goes to 131 km/h , here in france it's the legal speed limit on motorway :)

this new map will be tested on track this saturday, no CEL from the beginning and guess it will continue that way.

hmmm - looks like the acceleration is good up to that rpm which surprises me on a 4 port ....

hmmm - looks like the acceleration is good up to that rpm which surprises me on a 4 port ....
yep, and the car was pretty heavy inside, and don't forget i have 19 wheels with 235-35-19 tires !

next saturday on track i will be running with 18 stock wheels, you will see what is the real potential on my next videos ;).

I bought it. First impression was very good. I could change many values of my car.
But my car is stopped, now. I have changed only speed limit. If you will use it, you have to back-up your ECU data.

If you will use it, you have to back-up your ECU data.

sounds like you erased your brain ?

I have done it and managed to resurect the ecu afterwards . Tricky but it can be done .

What Hp gains or fuel efficiency gains can be made by the Pro Tuner on NA cars. I have not tried to tune my car at all other than the factory flashes. Is it easy to improve power or fuel efficiency or will a new user be more likely to make mistakes and make a mess of the engine mapping.

sounds like you erased your brain ?



I have done it and managed to resurect the ecu afterwards . Tricky but it can be done .




Just to make sure. Case by case. All rx-8's ecu dosen't have same thing. Who knows what the future may hold in...

What Hp gains or fuel efficiency gains can be made by the Pro Tuner on NA cars. I have not tried to tune my car at all other than the factory flashes. Is it easy to improve power or fuel efficiency or will a new user be more likely to make mistakes and make a mess of the engine mapping.

if you don't have any automotive skills and are not willing to spend a lot of time learning - it really is not a good move .
That said , 15hp or so is about the limit of gains that can be had just by tuning .

Just to make sure. Case by case. All rx-8's ecu dosen't have same thing. Who knows what the future may hold in...


:confused:

Hi guys,

I tested my Version2 map on track and it was'nt good at all in fact :dunno: , lack of power at high revs, but still no CEL like i told you.

At first we did other changes and i even tested 9800 rpm on my SP model but the engine light went quickly on at that rev so we decided not go more than 9500 for future maps.

My friend who does the changes just put me a Version3 now and it is really better, engine is very agressive and still no CEL ;).

I just gave the files to Kazuma to test on his, i hope he will do a feedback on this topic, so you will know if the french guys are good or not in mapping :).

(here's a little fight with an FD friend when i had the V2 map last time on track, i only needed 2 and 3rd gear on this track with my 5 speed gearbox and map at 9500 rpm, but i know i should have passed 4th gear at times but i was abit lazy :))) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKdu1YYaZnY )

I've got questions about the ProLogger, is this the right place to ask?

Is there some information about the data format used for export/import available? That would be great, since CSV Export does not work correctly, here is an example:

Time;Load (%);Engine Temp (°C);Long Term Trim (%);RPM (rpm);Vehicle Speed (km/h);Timing (°);MAF (g/s);TPS (%);Air/Fuel Ratio
0;23;1372549019608;16;3;1248;2157;0;24;11;3;15;686 2745098039;14;74;0;0;0
0;2;23;1372549019608;16;3;1248;2168;75;0;22;11;7;1 5;6862745098039;14;74;0;0;0
0;4;23;1372549019608;16;3;1248;2206;25;0;21;11;65; 15;6862745098039;14;74;0;0;0


As you can see, the headers don't correspond to the values, and even the format of the values changes in between.

Another question, shouldn't be there more values than just the 9 ones in the logger tool? At least in the CSV there are more ...

/\ My dudelogger logs are graphical which I find way superior to numerical .

My intention is to parse the values with my own program for better analysation.

I noticed that digits behind a comma are not separated by a comma but by a semicolon, which makes CSV export quite unusable, alas.

My fault with the CSV export. Of course, the values are separated by ",". But with German language setting, this is also used as comma in a number. So if I change the language settings, it works correctly.

Have somebody tested pro tuner in windows 7?

anybody?

Azathoth,

The Pro Tuner software itself works, but I need to check the USB Device Drivers.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Thanks Hymee, I haven't registred my hardware that I got from you some months ago.

My old computer died in a thunderstorm, but my new computer arrived today and it comes with Win7. I'll test it out.

The registration only bindes the hardware to my car and not my computer if I understand it correctly.

Thanks Hymee, I haven't registred my hardware that I got from you some months ago.

My old computer died in a thunderstorm, but my new computer arrived today and it comes with Win7. I'll test it out.

The registration only bindes the hardware to my car and not my computer if I understand it correctly.

Yep, when the first ECU re-flash has successfully taken place, the VIN is recorded in the hardware interface forever more. Unless you purchase extra VIN tokens, the hardware will not allow another VIN to be re-flashed. The licence does not restrict you to how many computers you run the tuning software on.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Good then I can test it out in my new win7 laptop, it that dosent work I get another old win xp just for tuning.

Have a good christmas Hymee, ill send my registration soon.

Windows 7 can run in compatibility mode by program :)

yeah you are right, it may work out.

compatibility mode in WinXP SP2 both for devices and program but it crashes in interface manager.

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Please email me the file you tried to load. I'm happy to provide direct support via email, and you as this non-monitored public forum does not guarantee I'll see the problem.

Cheers,
Hymee.

Ok hymee i'll send you an email instead. =)

Thanks for the help.

Ok folks - I need to log MAF g\sec, STFT, LTFT, MAF Voltage, Load and Wideband O2 - I can't seem to find the setting in Scanalyzer Live or the Logging mode that will give me all of these - any thoughts?

Ok folks - I need to log MAF g\sec, STFT, LTFT, MAF Voltage, Load and Wideband O2 - I can't seem to find the setting in Scanalyzer Live or the Logging mode that will give me all of these - any thoughts?

They should all be there.....they are all OBD11 values

Doesn't Kane need to change the Live Mode gauges to these values first, then log from there?

Interesting - so I have to have the live gauges set to what I want in order to log them? If so that is good news If I can get all those values.

yep - what Nemesis said .Not sure if we can get MAF voltage though ...

yep - what Nemesis said .Not sure if we can get MAF voltage though ...

I cannot log MAF voltage in the Scanalyzer version - not sure about the Pro Tuner though.

Doesn't Kane need to change the Live Mode gauges to these values first, then log from there?

Interesting - so I have to have the live gauges set to what I want in order to log them? If so that is good news If I can get all those values.

I cannot log MAF voltage in the Scanalyzer version - not sure about the Pro Tuner though.

Sorry, I missed these.

Firstly, yes, in sCANalyser Live, where you log direct to a file on your PC/Laptop, the live gauges determine what is logged.

Secondly, in sCANalyser Live USB, and the last beta of the "serial" version, you can also do MAF voltage, but there is a trick. This is because MAF Voltage is NOT an OBDII pid. If you go to the gauge settings, and select "Proprietry" instead of OBDII, you will see MAF in the list and Volts for the Units. Then you can log it that way.

Pro Logger is fixed at this stage as to what it can log. I need to make firmware changes to the logger personality to do others.

Does that help any, Kane?

Cheers,
Hymee.

Yup - I'll try it this afternoon.

Is there any progress here?

Scananalyzer Live do crash to often (on all my computers).

last couple times I tried, I couldn't get it to clear a CEL either.
anyone else having that issue?

Scanalyser USB live does not work . Everyone I know that has Protuner has not been able to get it to work .
Have emailed Hymee several times about this but he wont do anything about it .

Yeah I have tried to read and clear codes using the Scanalyzer and it doesn't do it. But then I just clear it using my Scangauge II :) But the data logging and other function are great.

I have also been completely unable to get it to function at all. (USB Live). I couldn't even install it with the included CD + Links on any of my laptops, just my desktop. Manually typed in the links to get it installed on both laptops, and it refuses to even connect.

Mine is collecting dust on the desk in case it becomes workable at some point. I don't think Hymee is ditching anyone, likely some RL issues he needs to work out before he can get back to us.

yeah, I'm quite pissed that I paid good money for the USB Live and it doesn't work properly.
It can give me live readouts which is nice but when it comes to clearing CEL's, it's worthless.

I guess I'm going to have to go back to my old serial bus version. :banghead:


I too emailed Hymee and I know he's busy working on his superchargers but at least show me the decency of acknowledging my email or PM. Nope, can't even get that. Sucks to see this from a guy like Mark.

Its a shame it dosen't work, would love to have dose nice live gauges.. well time to find my elmscan I guess.

yeah, I'm quite pissed that I paid good money for the USB Live and it doesn't work properly.
It can give me live readouts which is nice but when it comes to clearing CEL's, it's worthless.
:

You are lucky - I can't even get it to do anything whatsoever . When I ask Mark about it his reply was "it's a bit unstable - but should work"

I talked with Mark before I ordered the USB Live version (I'd already had the serial version for years) and I wanted the USB in order to run the live gauges on my carPC and have the ability to clear CEL's if the need should arise.

so much for that.

/\ how long ago did he sell it to you Jedi ?

You are lucky - I can't even get it to do anything whatsoever . When I ask Mark about it his reply was "it's a bit unstable - but should work"

I was lucky.
It used to work when I had Windows XP on my laptop, I reformatted and went with Vista (had an extra version lying around) and now I'm not sure if it'll even work. I haven't tried to install the software yet because Hymee never got back to me on the updated download links (the ones he originally sent me no longer work)

A forum member here was nice enough to send me his install files so I'll try it and see if I can get it to work at all. I'm not feeling very confident though based on what I'm reading here.

Everything works for me except clearing CEL's & Log. Live Gauges works for like 10-15mins after that the software crashes. Same results on both my laptop and carpc.

Soon I have vacation and I will start corporate my old elmscan to my carpc instead.

/\ how long ago did he sell it to you Jedi ?

lets see how far back my paypal records go....

I was lucky.
It used to work when I had Windows XP on my laptop, I reformatted and went with Vista (had an extra version lying around) and now I'm not sure if it'll even work. I haven't tried to install the software yet because Hymee never got back to me on the updated download links (the ones he originally sent me no longer work)

A forum member here was nice enough to send me his install files so I'll try it and see if I can get it to work at all. I'm not feeling very confident though based on what I'm reading here.

It dosent work in vista or Win7, only in XP =(

Everything works for me except clearing CEL's & Log. Live Gauges works for like 10-15mins after that the software crashes. Same results on both my laptop and carpc.
.
I once got to see the guages for about 20seconds before it crashed .
I think Kane got it to work - breifly ....

Brettus: I sent him $$$ on January 11, 2009.

It dosent work in vista or Win7, only in XP =(
oh geez, are you kidding me?! :banghead: :cussing:

well, guess I'll be running Win XP on my carPC.

It may be your brick, I remember that mark did change out the hardware just before I got mine.

that was in last autumn.

OK- I just hope he is not still trying to sell something that obviously does not work .

oh geez, are you kidding me?! :banghead: :cussing:

well, guess I'll be running Win XP on my carPC.

Yepp that is correct i have tried different setups alot last christmas.. only XP works (sort of) with PT and Live.

If mark play his cards right PT and Live can absolutely be a good solution now when AP is out.

The idea and function of the software isn't bad, he only needs to sort out the gremlins and make it work as it sopposed to do.

oh geez, are you kidding me?! :banghead: :cussing:

well, guess I'll be running Win XP on my carPC.

I am running it on Windows 7 no problem (except DTC issue) but gauges, logging, etc. all works fine.

I am running it on Windows 7 no problem (except DTC issue) but gauges, logging, etc. all works fine.

??? how? Dose your PT work also?

Any tips to make it work in Win7?

I am running it on Windows 7 no problem (except DTC issue) but gauges, logging, etc. all works fine.

great - Mark should send us all windows 7

??? how? Dose your PT work also?

Any tips to make it work in Win7?

Honestly I just installed it but you can also run the program in compatibility mode (Windows 7 can run just about any software built for previous version of windows). I am also running Windows 7 ultimate. Once you install it just right click on the icon and run as administrator.

great - Mark should send us all windows 7

Haha, that would get expensive. But heck Walmart has nice little Acer laptop with a 250GB hard drive and 2GB of ram that runs Windows 7 for $298.00 right now as a back to school special.

9k: do you have an install disc or links for DL?
Hook me up plz.

If mark play his cards right PT and Live can absolutely be a good solution now when AP is out.

The idea and function of the software isn't bad, he only needs to sort out the gremlins and make it work as it sopposed to do.

downfalls of the PT software in my opinion :

*Ease with which you can erase the brain on the ECU
*Lack of a way to recover the brain when that happens
*lots of bugs with the software around using the "brick"
*Can't use someone elses brick to even do a log - major PIA swapping the brick back and forth when trying to tune .
*Clumsiness of the whole getting started routine - it is not PNP
*Very hard to sell - because you need Mark to get involved in that process.
*Can't permanently delete cels

Get most of this resolved and it could be a great product .....

those are a lot of drawbacks. :(

That's why I bought an AccesPORT... :P

Plus, I get a really nice FI tune from MM once I get my blower 0_o

The ECU brain deletion issue irked me.

That's why I bought an AccesPORT... :P

Plus, I get a really nice FI tune from MM once I get my blower 0_o

The ECU brain deletion issue irked me.

Probably a good call .
It does more than irk you when it happens . Admittedly you have to 'do it wrong' to make it happen . But you know the old saying - if it can happen it will happen .

9k: do you have an install disc or links for DL?
Hook me up plz.

Sure man I can burn you a copy, email me your contact info to redmonds@satx.rr.com.

tubing: I have an AP, and both versions of the Scanalyzer. I like to be thorough. :)
I'm just upset that one of my versions doesn't work and doesn't appear to be getting fixed any time soon.

tubing: I have an AP, and both versions of the Scanalyzer. I like to be thorough. :)
I'm just upset that one of my versions doesn't work and doesn't appear to be getting fixed any time soon.

I just got the AP as well and I have my Scanguage II :) I'm not sure what version of the Hymee I have but it works. I am actually going to recheck the DTC function tonight to make sure.

leave your gas cap on and fire up the car to throw a CEL.

I have the old serial port version and the new USB.
how does yours connect? You probably have the newer usb if you bought it in the last year or so.

Yeah, I gave up on the PT when Hymee didn't answer my e-mails about it, and avoided the subject :P

leave your gas cap on and fire up the car to throw a CEL.

I have the old serial port version and the new USB.
how does yours connect? You probably have the newer usb if you bought it in the last year or so.


I bought it second hand, it comes with the brick, and a serial cable that connects to a Belkin USB adapter. I will let you know what the software version is when I get home.

aww crap, you have the older version.
I already have the software for that, I'm trying to find the newer software for the usb version.

a forum member emailed me a file a while back, maybe I'll go digging through my email and see if that works for me.

The USB version is a little faster, has a few more tricks up it's sleeve and when you get the Pro Tuner software, then you can tune your car with it.
problem is all the issues that Brettus pointed out above.

The good news for you though is you can pull / clear CEL's because you're runnin' old reliable serial bus version. :)

Yeah, I gave up on the PT when Hymee didn't answer my e-mails about it, and avoided the subject :P

seems to be a common theme ....

Brettus: you still tuning with the PT?