View Full Version : Return of the Taurus SHO?!


zoom44
01-16-2009, 12:50 PM
Check it

The new 2010 Taurus site http://www.fordvehicles.com/2010taurus/

Looks like a much better design.

Click the word Gallery to get this drop box


http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=132034&stc=1&d=1232131630

Rollover "Performance series" and it says

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=132035&stc=1&d=1232131768

and as autoblog mentions http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/15/2010-ford-taurus-sho-slated-for-chicago-debut/ the Chicago show is in February....

shadycrew31
01-16-2009, 12:54 PM
Fail??

Camry frame?

nycgps
01-16-2009, 12:55 PM
The Big 3 should go down. I mean seriously. Go burn in hell.

That shit looks like a Hyundai Sonata.

They STILL have no idea why they have piece of shit sales.

zoom44
01-16-2009, 12:59 PM
what? it looks good

zoom44
01-16-2009, 01:00 PM
its not camry sized . camry's are mid size this is a full size sedan

shadycrew31
01-16-2009, 01:02 PM
its a camry.. but it doesn't look that bad. If it wasn't made by ford I would consider buying it.

Gyro_Bot
01-16-2009, 01:13 PM
its a camry.. but it doesn't look that bad. If it wasn't made by ford I would consider buying it.

+1 on that thought. It's looks nice. But take of the lipstick... and what are you buying?

Let's face it... its a Ford underneath. I cry a little inside thinking about how hard Ford is trying to fix their image, and regain your credible attention.

But... let's face it... no matter how much mascara lip / gloss / rosy cheeks / perfume you use, a pig will always be a pig no matter what identity crisis is calling for.

Its so sad.

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/09/25/1190760465_4010.jpg

Poor piggy!
Poor Piggy piggy piggy piggy!

shadycrew31
01-16-2009, 01:18 PM
Yes I agree completely. However I like the new mustangs though they are amazing machines and look great.

zoom44
01-16-2009, 01:22 PM
its a good solid frame with a good engine at a decent price with nice tech options and a good looking design. why are people so willing to "hate" on things today based on their previous perception rather than on reality?

like "id buy it if it wasnt made by ford" if the exact same car was produced by some other company you would buy it? you wouldnt buy a Ford GT but the same car made by company X you would buy?

so narrow minded

pdxhak
01-16-2009, 01:32 PM
If they make it then it will be a much bigger SHO than the previous model. I agree with the writer that they should make a Fusion SHO.

dillsrotary
01-16-2009, 01:37 PM
If it comes with the new ecoboost v6 then it will be a "performance" version, but in my mind the SHO is always reserved for the yamaha build engine from the past.

JRichter
01-16-2009, 01:44 PM
I now see some Ford of Europe design influence in the front of new Taurus (headlights, hooddome, front fender shape, trapezoid lower intake - see European Focus). It's about time. I have to admit that new Taurus is definitely fresh looking and a huge improvement over oval-theme Taurus and Passat-ripoff 500 derived Taurus. They even god rid of truck grill, sort of. The roof line looks good and the rear end is fresh if not a hair awkward looking. The only weird thing I see is how the side crease line stops before rear wheel well opening then starts again behind it. If I squint I see old Saturn or something. Overall not bad for a big family sedan, good job Ford on the looks. Time will tell about performance.

m477
01-16-2009, 02:00 PM
I actually kinda like it, interior actually seems pretty nice too. It reminds me of the Euro Ford designs. Is it based on the Mazda6 platform?

zoom44
01-16-2009, 02:12 PM
no the Mazda6 is on a modified cd3 mid size platform. The Taurus sits on the D3/Volvo P2 platform. The Volvo S80 and S60 share it as well as Volvo and Fords big crossovers

9krpmrx8
01-16-2009, 02:28 PM
I think it looks, "okay" but it's the same ol' bs, no originality. The front is an Acura rip off and the rear is just lame. I don't hate all american cars but the fact is, all you have to do is drive a Taurus or Impala and then drive a Camry, Accord, or even a Hyundai sedan to see the differences. The fusion I had as a rental was pretty good but the interior bits won't hold up in the long run. IMO, no one does interiors like Mazda.

Rhawb
01-16-2009, 04:08 PM
I don't like the tail lights and I don't like the interior - it still has lingering "bargain bin" smell with those protruding black buttons on the center console. Nothing looks integrated, but materials do appear to be much better. Can't wait to see if they end up bringing around an SHO - it would be very interesting if the performance came at the right price.

9krpmrx8
01-16-2009, 04:21 PM
The only thing good about the SHO is the Yamaha engine. I would never buy a Ford, Dodge, or Chevy car but everyone has their opinions. One of the girls that works for me just bought a Chevy Corsica and was telling the other girls how nice it is and how great it drives.

We went to lunch in it the other day and the damn thing has 30k on it and it sounded and felt like it was going to fall apart. The ergonomics were horrid, If I didn't know the car was a late model I would have thought it was an 80's model. But she is happy with it so I guess that is all that matters. Some people do just see cars as transportation and nothing else.

JRichter
01-16-2009, 04:39 PM
^ Chevy Corsica - lol it is an 80's car (at least by design), those things (and the Beretta) are horrible and based on a design that originated back in '86 or '87 - I'm surprised there is one w/ only 30k miles because I think they stopped making those in the mid to late 90's. The problem w/ GM was the fact that they would run a new design like that into the ground w/ little or no major improvement for the next 10-15 years they tried to sell it, whereas Japanese (and German) companies would make subtle, evolutionary improvements every 4 to 6 years. I know some people that have driven certain American cars all their life (as did their parents) so they have no clue what world standards have been raised to - these are the people that would still buy these cars. Back to this century, the American companies have made some major progress but reputation takes decades to flip.

As far as new SHO Taurus, I wouldn't think their would be much of a market these days as the car is huge now, and yes, no special Yamaha engine like the original - just another case of another American car company trying to create a buzz and sales by bringing out an old name/badge. I agree "SHO" would be better suited for a Fusion size car, if anything.

ndhoffma
01-16-2009, 04:46 PM
For what it is (lower priced 4 door sedan) it looks pretty nice... Ive been impressed with the domestics' quality recently (well, except maybe chrystler).

CyberPitz
01-16-2009, 04:49 PM
The looks aren't so bad, nothing great...but better than I thought it would be.

Also, from reading around, it says the engine is a V6 with EconoBoost....the thing is coming with a turbo, and if wiki isn't lying....with 340ish HP?

A Taurus will be faster than us?
:lol2:

9krpmrx8
01-16-2009, 05:05 PM
Okay, I checked its actually a 2001 Chevy Lumina.

I agree some people just don't know what should be expected in a car. You would be hard pressed to find a Cavalier or Focus with over 200k on the odometer that has not had some major components rebuilt or replaced. Every manufacturer has some bad cars at one time or another but for the most part the asian car makers have won the auto war. The U.S. Automakers have the tools and have gotten better but they are still lagging. I just dont get the whole retro thing personally.

AJ's Shinka
01-16-2009, 05:13 PM
Looks like the new Honda Accord with a FORD emblem on it.

PotatoSoup
01-17-2009, 01:15 PM
The looks aren't so bad, nothing great...but better than I thought it would be.

Also, from reading around, it says the engine is a V6 with EconoBoost....the thing is coming with a turbo, and if wiki isn't lying....with 340ish HP?

A Taurus will be faster than us?
:lol2:

The V6 Ecoboost is a twin turbo making 355HP. Just one more car that's (probably) faster (in a straight line) than the RX-8...Which is probably the real reason crybabies are hating on it. :uhh:

REsuperD
01-17-2009, 01:19 PM
there was a post on jalopnik recently of some interior shots of the taurus dash wearing the sho logo. pretty sure they're resurrecting the sho. probably what it is, tho, is the taurus w/ the ecoboost engine, rather than a yamaha designed/built one like before. either way, i think it's pretty cool. naysayers aside, i think it's the best looking american sedan in a while. it has enough design cues from euro fords, and i like it a lot

Winfree
01-17-2009, 01:27 PM
A Tarus faster than an RX-8????? I bet thats fun on curves!

(I got a semi-dead Tarus rotting in the back yard - sure hope the new one is better than the last one!)

Razz1
01-17-2009, 01:32 PM
The Bull is back!

EdwardsB
01-17-2009, 08:22 PM
i think it looks good, glad to see they are waking up in the design dept.

but no one will agree because its just "cooler" to bash US auto makers no matter what

onyx8
01-17-2009, 09:14 PM
Better than the previous SHO, nice interior. I can't say the same for the exterior though.

savedsol
01-17-2009, 09:55 PM
Saw one on the road today. It look amazing. Honestly.

dos
01-18-2009, 11:21 AM
355 twin turbo V6 and AWD. sounds more promising than anything Ford has put out the past 10 years.

deadphoenix52
01-18-2009, 11:36 AM
Looks like the new Honda Accord with a FORD emblem on it.

my thoughts exactly

dos
01-18-2009, 12:20 PM
This is just the regular Taurus. Looks better than the outgoing model. The SHO will probably be sporting some larger rims/bodykit that will make it look much better. Not saying I would buy one till I saw it first hand, but its closer to competing with the Camry and Accords.

9krpmrx8
01-18-2009, 07:14 PM
Buick does it better, this is next years Lacrosse
http://www.newcarpark.com/blog/images2/2010-Buick-Lacrosse.jpg
http://www.zcars.com.au/images/buick-invicta-concept-interior1.jpg

m477
01-18-2009, 07:58 PM
^ Interior is nice, but the exterior definitely needs work. It looks a shitty 90's Buick LeSabre.

American automakers seem to be improving quality from the crap churned out in the 80s-90s. However, at the same time, they need to make a clean break from with designs as well, to project the idea that their products are actually changing and improving. Why would GM would expect that customers would give them another chance when their new cars look the same as their most awful ones?

Rhawb
01-18-2009, 08:31 PM
I think Buick needs to kill off that corporate grill - IMO, that LaCrosse would pop with a more understated grill. It takes away so much attention from the really nice design cues.

aliveoutofhabit
01-18-2009, 08:31 PM
I would rock the Taurus.

The Buick looks nice... but the Taurus looks way better.

IMHO I think Ford is the only company that deserves to stay around. They have easily the best designs (overall, GM and Chrysler have their stars as well... Corvette and Viper obviously come to mind)

BRGREEN8
01-18-2009, 10:48 PM
you never know, the 355hp twin turbo v6 could be the "next big thing". thats going to be the american version of mitsu evo/subie sti/bmw 335xi.

kersh4w
01-19-2009, 12:00 AM
fail.

it looks awful. those ugly rims say, "i have no class." just like the rest of the car. i dont understand why american cars look so god awful ugly.

the interior on that buick is niiiiice though. holy crap. those headlights are a joke, can you say bmw?

9krpmrx8
01-19-2009, 10:08 AM
Yeah, I agree the Buick grill is whack but the new lacrosse in person looks much better than the pictures. It actually is very Infinitish.

REsuperD
01-19-2009, 10:45 AM
so i just went to the detroit auto show yesterday. the taurus looked pretty good in photos and looked pretty good in person as well. it is a big car tho, bigger than the accord, or at least seemed bigger. i would say it's more along the lines/class of toy avalon. they also had the mks sport w/ ecoboost, and it looked curiously like the infiniti m. what's interesting is that in the ford brochure, it already says available ecoboost engine for the taurus (altho no spec was posted). so it's still possible that the sho will have an even higher spec engine...hopefully an ecoboost massaged by yamaha

zoom44
01-19-2009, 01:50 PM
it is avalon sized thats what i said before. it is not a midsize car like camry /accord/ BMW 5 series. it is a full size car like Avalon / BMW7 series / Chrysler 300 etc

dynamho
01-19-2009, 05:51 PM
I think it looks pretty good.
It's better than the Gillette grill series.

dynamho
01-19-2009, 05:59 PM
those ugly rims say, "i have no class." just like the rest of the car. i dont understand why american cars look so god awful ugly.

It's the details. Domestic design seems to have a high level approach - the general form. The Japanese and Germans cars are more detail-oriented - giving them a significant boost in perceived quality.

It is virtually impossible to see intricate tail lamp designs like the ones found in 1st gen RX-8's in a domestic car. It is beyond rationalization to their decision-making. They slap on a red plastic cut out and call it a day.

renesisking
01-19-2009, 06:32 PM
i sell fords at crestwood ford in watertown ct...the taurus is in competition with the avalon, the fusions competes directly with the camry and accord. the sho will be nice but in all honesty.......having awd doesnt mean the car is going to handle. dont get me wrong, i was a huge chevy guy until i started working here, i'll never buy a GM again (unless its the vette/camaro), but the weight is going to kill it, the car will weigh close to 2 tons, AWD adds 300-500lbs, and with turbos and intercooling that adds weight. and to keep cost down....ford is not going to go crazy on suspension. i love the interiors of the new fords, except the focus, the exterior...well beauty is in the eye of the beholder. but it will sell. i get customers in the dealership who buy japanese and simply say that they dont like american for the the trash they put out but really....read up on the cars, consumer reports reccomends 75%-80% of fords over their import rivals. in all honesty....wait a few more years, the problem that people don't understand is that the issues the US companies are having now stem from years ago. the US companies have been around a lot longer than the JDM companies. give the JDM brands a few years and see how much trouble they'll get into. with all the uaw contracts and unneccesary spending it'll hurt them too, then the people who talk trash about US companies will say the same to JDM. i meet people from all walks of life and they just dont get it. Ford is not going anywhere...GM and Chrysler are in trouble. As much as i dont like both....i would HATE to see them go. Congress is stupid if they dont bail them out. do you understand how many american jobs and more than likely, you're job, you who are reading this is in some way related to the US car companies??? if they go, what do you think is going to happen to you? ever heard fo the snow ball effect???? its bad enough we're outsourcing jobs (im from india and i cant stand it), i dont know why we can just pay more to the good ole american man/woman and make this country prosperous. who cares if you pay more, in then end you make out more profitable.

those are my two cents....

go taurus.

renesisking
01-19-2009, 06:36 PM
oh and the yamaha motor in the older SHO's was trash....idc what you heard

under hard driving the timeing was aweful on the valves and the cylinder heads so that they'd hit and blow up your motor. ask any ford mechanic, they'll attest to that. i would not like to see another sho motor by yamaha

05rex8
01-19-2009, 06:37 PM
^yup +1
my buddy had one
very expensive motors to work on

kersh4w
01-20-2009, 12:15 AM
heavy cars suck. i just dont like them.

why does a sedan need to weigh 4,000 lbs? it doesnt.

and even if ford was far more reliable than any japanese car. i'd still buy an import because american car companies havent designed a good looking car in a looong time. (sans vette)

ugly.

the difference between american and import?
http://www.cardotcom.com/cars/images02/06ford-mustang-gt.jpg

http://www.tuningnews.net/news/061128/ford-mustang-by-giugiaro.jpg

euro/jap design has that element that makes it work. the designers push the design to that final level. many american cars look like they could have been great looking, they just got shortchanged. euro/jap design is sleeker, more modern, more elegant, and a host of other superlatives.

the guigiaro mustang is what ford should have put out in the first place. if it had been, i'd be driving a mustang, not an rx8 right now.

DailyDriver2k5
01-20-2009, 07:04 AM
The V6 Ecoboost is a twin turbo making 355HP. Just one more car that's (probably) faster (in a straight line) than the RX-8...Which is probably the real reason crybabies are hating on it. :uhh:

There are plenty of cars faster than the 8, but I wouldn't want to be caught dead in them. And second, I wouldn't get to excited about that number, remember that 355HP has to move that heft around . I am guessing the new Taurus will weigh in around 3700-3900lbs. Knowing Ford, there not going to put there SHO on a diet.

renesisking
01-20-2009, 08:49 AM
you can chose to believe me but you wont believe how many people buy US cars for their style. personally and im sure some of you will admit, a lot of the jdm cars are bland ex. camry, accord, corolla, i dont like the civic (si or normal), some mitsu's, suburu's, i got to give a lot of credit to nissan and mazda (they still make cars that are real fun to drive) but american styling has won a lot of hearts. the caddy's are hot, say what you want about the focus, but i cant keep those on my lot, and the fusion(mazda 6) is real fun to drive. the problem that screwed the US companies was that there was no differentiation between their cars. you put them in a lineup and nothing sticks out, thats what made the jap cars "stylish". and any car company such as ford that keeps the same face on their cars ie. Ford's ugly ass three bar grill is killing its style. have you guys seen the three bar grill on the 2008 taurus? edge? expedition? the edge is one hot ride, thats going to be my next suv but the grill is hideous. in the state that the companies are in now....they dont want to take chances, but personally whats life worth without the risks. chevy for example, the cobalt is super bland, the SS looks like a rental on the inside, and they gotta make it have a "family face" with the rest of the chevy's, that car would be hot if it didnt resemble the other cars in its family, we will all know that its a chevy by the logo, just stop making it look like everything else you make.

renesisking
01-20-2009, 08:53 AM
kersh4w believe it or not, the 2005-2008 mustang was designed by.........a japanese consultant who works for mazda. i forgot his name but it is a japanese design. i should have a resource book at the dealership i'll try to find it but im 90% sure it was a japanese design.

ndhoffma
01-20-2009, 09:49 AM
Back on topic.....

http://jalopnik.com/5134740/2010-ford-taurus-sho-caught-without-camo


Also, the ordering information was leaked by a dealer and they found an option for the Eco-Boost motor -- which is for the SHO.

If they go for the twin-turbo model that Ford developed, it would be over 400hp.
Not too likely, but an interesting thought

dynamho
01-20-2009, 09:58 AM
kersh4w believe it or not, the 2005-2008 mustang was designed by.........a japanese consultant who works for mazda. i forgot his name but it is a japanese design. i should have a resource book at the dealership i'll try to find it but im 90% sure it was a japanese design.

I didn't know that. Thanks.

I think the classic Corvette Stingray was also styled by a Japanese. And I believe the new Camaro was styled by a Korean.

renesisking
01-20-2009, 12:03 PM
if ford wants to stay competetive against japanese 4door sports sedans (maxima***, mazda 6***) they need to make the fusion sport which will come with the 3.5Lv6 with 263bhp in a manual transmission, and a stiffer suspension, the problem is that ford is afraid from going to far away from the consumer flow that it probably wont. the way i see it, if it works for other why not ford or GM? the CTS is a huge hit!

Shinka_MJR
01-20-2009, 01:25 PM
That shit looks like a Hyundai Sonata.

dammit... it sure does, LOL!

And people rip on hyundai for "stealing" ideas for body styles... Big 3 are in trouble and they continue to churn out mediocrity and expect it to be the latest and greatest to be had.

such a shame the people working for those companies that want nothing more than to earn an honest living, will suffer due to the near-sighted stupidity that the upper management continuously vomits forth.

REsuperD
01-20-2009, 01:48 PM
kersh4w believe it or not, the 2005-2008 mustang was designed by.........a japanese consultant who works for mazda. i forgot his name but it is a japanese design. i should have a resource book at the dealership i'll try to find it but im 90% sure it was a japanese design.

:squint:

i think the development of the s197 mustang by the engineering team at ford, under chief engineer hau thai-tang, a vietnamese american, was pretty well documented. a *japanese design*? don't think so

Jedi54
01-20-2009, 01:52 PM
the interior is much improved but the body still reminds me too much of the old Tauras. (certain lines are familiar)
Looks promising

renesisking
01-20-2009, 02:47 PM
i stand corrected, sorry, i'll still try to find the article however

renesisking
01-20-2009, 02:54 PM
sorry i read it wrong....it was an 80s stang that was designed by japanese but turned down because it was front wheel drive. that car became the ford probe.

http://freewikimedia.com/en/wiki/Ford_Mustang.html

renesisking
01-20-2009, 02:58 PM
curious, what is everyones take on the current taurus/500? idk if everyone knows but they do have different engines and transmissions.

ndhoffma
01-20-2009, 04:13 PM
Ive driven the CVT & standard transmission in the 500/Montego. No huge difference in the performance b/t the two... the CVT one is a little quicker. The car is quite a boat, and rather boring, but moves pretty good for how small an engine it has. ~20/30mpg was impressive as well, since its noticeably bigger than a crown vic inside. I thought its only real downfall was the lack of styling

definitely not a car I'd ever want, but might make a good car for old people :p

dos
01-20-2009, 05:10 PM
Couple of pics of the actual SHO without cammo. Be interesting to see it in person.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/19/spy-shots-2010-ford-taurus-sho-spotted-without-camo/

Razz1
01-20-2009, 08:26 PM
Thry are going over board with the side markers. Too big on the side and too big in the bumper.

renesisking
01-20-2009, 10:06 PM
razz1 is right, like just about every car out on the market....too much body.

the cvt was a joke along with the 3.0L duratec, great motor and transmission, but just powerless. the 3.5L and the 6speed are an amazing combo, same gas mileage but with more power, the car moves better, but still a dog.

DailyDriver2k5
01-21-2009, 06:38 AM
Couple of pics of the actual SHO without cammo. Be interesting to see it in person.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/19/spy-shots-2010-ford-taurus-sho-spotted-without-camo/

Oh my... the new Taurus is a porker! Its so heavy looking! Yuck!:icon_no2:

REsuperD
01-21-2009, 08:00 AM
curious, what is everyones take on the current taurus/500? idk if everyone knows but they do have different engines and transmissions.

it's not a bad car. i was looking at one a while ago and really just looked like a blown up passat made by ford. it's a good country/gandma/rental car, and i bet it's very comfortable on long trips. if they were blowing out the remaining stocks really really cheap then i might recommend it to car shoppers. but the new taurus is wayyyyyyy more desirable

renesisking
01-21-2009, 08:57 AM
i hope you're right

zoom44
02-12-2009, 11:31 AM
and here it is


article with videos

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/11/video-2010-ford-taurus-sho-reveal-video-revealed/

galleries

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/chicago-2009-2010-ford-taurus-sho-live/1349446/

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2010-ford-taurus-sho-chic09/1347786/

here come the angry eyes!!

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/2010taurusshowlive_01.jpg

alienRX8
02-12-2009, 11:44 AM
It actually looks nice

8 Maniac
02-12-2009, 12:10 PM
doesnt look too bad... want to see more performance though... the driving video was just kinda relaxed.

My friend has the old SHO... she hates the thing lol. Calls it a boat and refuses to believe me when I say it's supposed to be the performance upgraded version. She's had nothing but problems with it. Admittedly a few things were her fault (like damaging bumper etc... nothing but aesthetic was caused by her). She's had a lot of shit go wrong with the electrical system... failed alternator, failed battery, headlights got stuck on, cruise control went out, another failed alternator (less than 6 months after the first one)... plus she says it gets absolutely horrid mileage (like half of what I get in the 8) and she drives somewhat conservatively.

btw, not posting that as a generalized review of the SHO, just a single experience which happened to be shitty for one person.

REsuperD
02-12-2009, 12:44 PM
the new one is sweet. i'd drive one. what would be the closest equivalent? a6 quattro? volvo s60? passat vr6? what're some other high performance awd turbo sedans out there?

m477
02-12-2009, 12:52 PM
Overall, I'd say it's the probably the best looking sedan to come out of America recently. Having said that though I still think it's the look is little bit too "chunky" and the grille is overly busy.

zoom44
02-12-2009, 01:23 PM
s80 since its the same platform;)

r0tor
02-12-2009, 01:29 PM
this forum is a sad bunch of fanboi's....

If mazda had the balls to put a twin turbo 365hp engine in anything everyone would be beating off on the car

alienRX8
02-12-2009, 02:02 PM
I like this one and I also like the G8 GXP, 2010 Camaro since we are talking american

dynamho
02-12-2009, 02:16 PM
Just read the specs.... 365hp AWD EcoBoost.
Pretty sweet!

If the vehicle dynamics is right, this will be a serious machine.

PotatoSoup
02-12-2009, 02:29 PM
s80 since its the same platform;)

I'm pretty sure the new Taurus shares a platform with the S80, not the S60.

Also, with a base price of $38K, they're nuts. That's twin-turbo territory of a different kind...BMW.

zoom44
02-12-2009, 02:38 PM
fixed;)

and im sorry i cant find the twin turbo 365 hp awd full sized BMW that starts at 38k?

PotatoSoup
02-12-2009, 03:59 PM
fixed;)

and im sorry i cant find the twin turbo 365 hp awd full sized BMW that starts at 38k?

You know what I mean. If somebody wants a twin-turbo sports sedan and has $38K (lets say $40K) to spend, I think they'll choose a 335 over the Taurus, size aside.

And the SHO might go fast in a straight line, but it's going to be heavy and far from "fun to drive" in the bends.

People here bitch nonstop about how heavy cars are getting, so I don't expect this to get much love from the RX-8/Mazda community.

9krpmrx8
02-12-2009, 04:32 PM
In general, Ford sucks. 38k for a Ford sedan? Please. They eak out a good car here and there and they make okay trucks but the car department is very weak in terms of excitement. Then again, if my RX8 wasnt so damn fun to drive and sexy as hell I would have gotten rid of it long ago due o the QC issues.

ndhoffma
02-12-2009, 05:33 PM
You know what I mean. If somebody wants a twin-turbo sports sedan and has $38K (lets say $40K) to spend, I think they'll choose a 335 over the Taurus, size aside.

And the SHO might go fast in a straight line, but it's going to be heavy and far from "fun to drive" in the bends.

People here bitch nonstop about how heavy cars are getting, so I don't expect this to get much love from the RX-8/Mazda community.

Something tells me someone looking for a full size sedan wouldn't be considering a 3 series... I agree, Id rather have the sports car, but when the new Taurus is bigger than a crown vic, I'd guess the compact sports sedan market was not what they were aiming for


And FYI, their 'okay' trucks had been the best selling vehicles worldwide for 20odd years

PotatoSoup
02-12-2009, 05:50 PM
Something tells me someone looking for a full size sedan wouldn't be considering a 3 series... I agree, Id rather have the sports car, but when the new Taurus is bigger than a crown vic, I'd guess the compact sports sedan market was not what they were aiming for


And FYI, their 'okay' trucks had been the best selling vehicles worldwide for 20odd years

Somebody looking to spend $38K on a full size sedan that can still haul some butt would also be silly to not consider a G8 or even a CPO LS, 7-Series, or S-Class.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, I think this new, expensive full-size SHO is answering a question that nobody asked.

9krpmrx8
02-12-2009, 05:58 PM
And FYI, their 'okay' trucks had been the best selling vehicles worldwide for 20odd years

Yeah thanks, my dad owned around 30-40 F150's over the years for his appliance repair business and they did okay for the most part mechanically but they were not the best by any means compared to the Two Nissan hard bodies he had that were sold with over 250k on the odometer. The hard Bodies were the first trucks purchased for the business and were sold when the business was sold to another franchisee.

Once Nissan came out with a 1/2 ton he bought a Titan in 04' and he never went back. The 3/4 ton Ford trucks are capable but do some research on the 6.0's and you'll find out just how Ford Tough they are. Every manufacturer has mistakes but in my experience, he Japanese just do everything better overall. I do think Dodge makes a solid truck though. My buddys owns a repo business and he has two Dodge Dually's with over 500k on the odometer on his older one and it works every night with no issues. His new one is just sweet, it tows a six car carrier with ease (it has some mods though).

renesisking
02-12-2009, 06:16 PM
yea everyone knows or should know that the 03-05 6.0's were terrible, thats why they had the 7.3L still available as an option. As far as the F-150 goes, no truck is built stronger out on the market. I have proof of it, and i know personally what these trucks are capable of. Japanese trucks so far havent been reliable, i have personally taken in about 9 titans and 6 tundras simply because they do not do what a truck is intended to do. As far as daily drivers they are great, but they are simply not work trucks in any way. Back to the SHO. I just read motortrends article...0-60 in 4.8secs isnt bad for that size car with 365hp and 25mpg. Id say thats pretty good. Now don't get me wrong, it is by no means a performance machine, im sure it'll handle like shit but then again its just supposed to a quick family sedan and ford hit the nail on the head on that aspect. Also the interior is amazing. I have a lot of people interested in buying the 2010 taurus already so its looking good so far. Im happy thats its a Ford Engine and not a Yamaha. We all know what those were like.

Lithium Lotus
02-14-2009, 01:41 AM
Someone made this on another forum to prove a point.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/dkrause0201/burtaudi.jpg

What do all of these cars have in common? They all have the same general cookie-cutter design due to new bumper height requirements and the need for fuel efficiency using aerodynamics. That, and they are all bland and boring looking. At least the Taurus SHO has some power and looks aggressive in comparison to these.

Nissan Sentra
http://images.intellichoice.com/images/AutoShows/Big/2007_nissan_sentra.jpg

Nissan Maxima
http://thumbs.automart.com/imgs/ag/automart/autodata/pictures/VEHICLE/2008/Nissan/thumb/80NIGEJ1-E0420031530011000.jpg

Nissan Altima
http://www.newcarbuyingguide.com/images/articles/reviews/nissan/08NissanAltima01.jpg

Honda Accord
http://news.cnet.com/i/bto/20070821/2008HondaAccordEX_L4_5AT_and_Boston.jpg

Acura TL
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/2009_acura_rl_press_image005.jpg

Toyota Camry
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/11/13/238510.1-lg.jpg

Toyota Corolla
http://liferecaptured.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/2009_toyota_corolla.jpg

Mazda 6
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/2009_mazda6_north_america_images_2.jpg

Chevrolet Malibu
http://www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2009/Chevrolet/2009.chevrolet.malibu%20hybrid.20234414-396x249.jpg

Infiniti G37
http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide2008/photos/2008/Infiniti/M/Sedan/2008_Infiniti_M_ext_1.jpg

Lexus GS
http://thepassionatepursuit.com/images/weblog/07-09-07-2008-lexus-gs-460.jpg

Hyundai Sonata
http://www.newcars.org/photos/SONATA13_450_225.jpg

Audi A6
http://newcarbuyingguide.com/images/articles/reviews/audi/2008AudiA601.jpg

Subaru Legacy
http://www.subarupedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/08_legacy30r_frontleft.jpg

BMW 5-Series
http://newcarbuyingguide.com/images/articles/reviews/bmw/BMW5Series01.jpg

Mitsubishi Galant
http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2006/Mitsubishi/Galant/Sedan/2006_Mitsubishi_Galant_ext_1.jpg

Volkswagen Passat
http://www.volkswagenpedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/2008-volkswagen-passat.jpg
The 09 Passat looks 1,000 times better then the 08 though

Lithium Lotus
02-14-2009, 01:58 AM
It somewhat resembles an 09 Passat

http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/94571/2009-Volkswagen-Passat-CC-i020.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/003_2010taurussho.jpg

kvndoom
02-15-2009, 02:48 AM
[QUOTE=Lithium Lotus;2866965]It somewhat resembles an 09 Passat

http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/94571/2009-Volkswagen-Passat-CC-i020.jpg

That's the Passat CC, which is a new (and awesome) car. The regular Passat is still around, but VW should can it and just use the CC for their luxury model. And I agree on the new dull "yuppie driving appliance" look of all these modern sedans. The new Acura looks horrendous compared to the previous model, and the new 6 looks like a Camry. I sat in one of the 2009's at the dealership while I was getting my inspection done, and it felt just as cheap on the inside (read: VERY) as the 2006 I have now. With all the squeaks and rattles driving me crazy in that car after only 3 years, I wouldn't dare touch another one.

pdxhak
08-13-2009, 04:44 PM
Just saw a commercial the other night on TV and thought it looked good! I was a fan of the original SHO as well.

CarAndDriver
08-13-2009, 07:51 PM
I predict the SHO will be a sales failure for Ford unfortunately. The car is way to big. I love how one of the car mags put it side by side with the original SHOs. It was as if Godzilla stood by some Komodo dragons.

The straightline performance seems competitive, but it looks to have weak brakes and just has a lot of mass to be super agile through corners. It is in a very tough market segment with some really great cars with stronger brands.

One journalist said a Fusion SHO would be truer to the original SHO intent and would be cheaper and probably a better success. I have to agree.

9krpmrx8
08-14-2009, 12:55 AM
i have personally taken in about 9 titans and 6 tundras simply because they do not do what a truck is intended to do

I hate to jack but I have to respond to this. My dad has a 04' Titan as his daily driver with 140k or so on the odometer and it is used at least one a month to pull a 5th wheel RV. We have done several long trips to off road parks as far as Florida and the Titan has towed that thing reliably like it wasn't even back there. Plus we have pulled many a fence posts and stumps out with it. The only mod he has is air bags in the rear and a leveling kit in the front. Not bad for a 1/2 ton if you ask me. What else is a truck intended to do? I also have a friend that works for Toyota who drives a fully loaded Tundra and it does just fine towing his boat to the coast.

chickenwafer
08-16-2009, 08:23 PM
I like the new SHO. I'm not a fan of Ford's but I think it looks good for what it is (sport sedan) and can compete at half the price of Audi's. The twin turbo, direct injected V-6 and all-wheel drive is pretty slick.

Since I know Ford and Mazda do platform sharing, wouldn't it be cool if the next gen Mazdaspeed6 gets the EcoBoost twin turbo V-6 and all-wheel drive lifted from the SHO?! That would be SICK

rodjonathan
08-16-2009, 08:54 PM
i think the americans are making a comeback ... the g8(bye bye sadly), camaro, cts/cts-v, ford SHO, lincoln mks, malibu(to a certain extent), and the trucks are all REALLY REALLY good for a cery reasonable price ... ive driven everything listed except the mks so im saying this from experience theyre really good ... handling looks fit and finish (quality may lack in some cases) but for the price theyre all a steal and i think they deserve credit for trying and succeeding they will be back