After selling my RX8 and many of the parts or any parts for that matter... I have received numerous emails asking...
"What is the lowest price for ITEMX?"

Well after replying to most and referring them to the item's FS thread which lists the price... I have gotten fed up.

So read on if you want...


The lowest price for anything is probably 1 cent.
You are crazy to think the seller will sell for that though.
Ya see, the key as a seller is to get as much $$ as you can for an item, not the lowest.:icon_no2:

So please look at the thread again. Look at the price listed , and make a lower offer if you dont think the price is fair. If the seller thinks you price is fair enough they will probably take it. If not, they will LOL and click DELETE.

So today's moral is:
Dont ask for the lowest price, because what seller in their right mind is gonna give that info up.


Learn!

I'll give you $5.

I'll give you $5.


$3 is as low as I will go, sorry!:lol:

I only have $2.50 though. Can you go a little lower? It's only $0.50 less

How much for this thread?
What's the lowest price you will go...since it will prolly be deleted soon :lol:

lol so tru.

ok.... so what's the lowest you'll go on itemx?

Its a public forum. Being able to negotiate prices is the only thing that keeps car forum classifieds alive. If you dont want low ballers go to ebay and post up a buy it now with no bidding.

Other than that get used to it its called bargaining its been going on for a while....

Its a public forum. Being able to negotiate prices is the only thing that keeps car forum classifieds alive. If you dont want low ballers go to ebay and post up a buy it now with no bidding.

Other than that get used to it its called bargaining its been going on for a while....

Or he could just say, I will not go lower than XX, or no low ballers, etc

I have a bag of doritos a half a can of cashews and some used socks.........I can haz item x?

Or he could just say, I will not go lower than XX, or no low ballers, etc

True and agreed

Just remember as a buyer the only benfit of buying from a forum is price.
For example, i dont believe a new $280 short shifter is worth $240 used . It is is a wear item and realistically has no value outside of 8club.

Thats the price you have to pay to be a seller. If the price is too low ignore it. Otherwise if your item doesnt sell for asking price you know you are asking way too much.

For example, i dont believe a new $280 short shifter is worth $240 used . It is is a wear item and realistically has no value outside of 8club.

They have a lifetime warranty if I'm not mistaken, and the price won't drop until it takes more than 15 minutes to sell them at $240 lol. Is it really a wear item anyways?

To the OP, it would go easier if you didn't try to sell the stuff for new prices. Just a thought. Higher starting price = more bargaining people will want

I only have $2.50 though. Can you go a little lower? It's only $0.50 less

save $.5 here save another $.5 somewhere else thats $1.00 now you can go to the dollar store and get something.

what about a trade? i propose a trade for item x for 5 nudie pics of my ex-gf.

Deal, I'll trade you this thread for the above. PMs inbox is clear..

no, i called dibs on itemx first!! :lol: and is this in the wrong section?

Travass, either u failed your economics class or u can not apply what they tried to teach u.
Its all about supply and demand. The seller has to sell..to some degree, the buyer does not have to buy. Why? the seller started the action, means its a sell sided deal. If the buyer had started the action, ie approached and wanted to buy then it would be a buyer sided deal.
Its the same in the stock market. A buy or a sell, depending on the above.

You say>>>
The lowest price for anything is probably 1 cent.
You are crazy to think the seller will sell for that though.
Ya see, the key as a seller is to get as much $$ as you can for an item, not the lowest.
I say>>u are wrong: the lowest price is not 1 cent. I have been paid to "remove " the item from the sellers place. GO figure.
Remember Tom Sawyer? He was given the job to paint a fence white.
What did he do? His friends paid him so he would let them paint the fence

Also, Ya see, the key as a buyer is to get an item, for the lowest $$$, not the highest.

SO WHAT IS THE LOWEST YOU WILL TAKE?

PS.
I went to the Texas Rally in Galveston this past Sunday. I saw a man's bag. I asked what is the price? He says> $19.99
I ask> What is the lowest you will take? 15 bucks?
He says> ok, only if you will pay taxes.
I say> ok how much is the total?
He says> $15.25!
I said> SOLD!

BOTTOM LINE, SELLERS HAVE TO SELL, BUYERS DO NOT HAVE TO BUY, THEY CAN JUST KEEP THEIR MONIES.

Sellers do not HAVE to sell.

Sellers WANT to sell.
Buyers WANT to buy.

Always remember: A fair price for an item is whichever price the buyer and seller agree upon.

:eyetwitch

Its a public forum. Being able to negotiate prices is the only thing that keeps car forum classifieds alive. If you dont want low ballers go to ebay and post up a buy it now with no bidding.

Other than that get used to it its called bargaining its been going on for a while....

It seems a lot of people have really missed the point of the post. I don't see anything in his post that is anti-negotiation or ant-bargaining. His point is that buyers should make an offer rather than ask "What is the lowest price you would be willing to sell for?" Good negotiators make a reasonably low offer and bargain from there. If you ask for the lowest price and really expect that the seller will tell what their rock bottom price is you are dreaming.

It seems a lot of people have really missed the point of the post. I don't see anything in his post that is anti-negotiation or ant-bargaining. His point is that buyers should make an offer rather than ask "What is the lowest price you would be willing to sell for?" Good negotiators make a reasonably low offer and bargain from there. If you ask for the lowest price and really expect that the seller will tell what their rock bottom price is you are dreaming.

Normally I would agree with you. Unfortunately the average IQ in this world is far too low, so I would expect that this actually works on some sellers, which is why some people do it. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Travass, either u failed your economics class or u can not apply what they tried to teach u.
Its all about supply and demand. The seller has to sell..to some degree, the buyer does not have to buy. Why? the seller started the action, means its a sell sided deal. If the buyer had started the action, ie approached and wanted to buy then it would be a buyer sided deal.
Its the same in the stock market. A buy or a sell, depending on the above.

You say>>>
The lowest price for anything is probably 1 cent.
You are crazy to think the seller will sell for that though.
Ya see, the key as a seller is to get as much $$ as you can for an item, not the lowest.
I say>>u are wrong: the lowest price is not 1 cent. I have been paid to "remove " the item from the sellers place. GO figure.
Remember Tom Sawyer? He was given the job to paint a fence white.
What did he do? His friends paid him so he would let them paint the fence

Also, Ya see, the key as a buyer is to get an item, for the lowest $$$, not the highest.

SO WHAT IS THE LOWEST YOU WILL TAKE?

PS.
I went to the Texas Rally in Galveston this past Sunday. I saw a man's bag. I asked what is the price? He says> $19.99
I ask> What is the lowest you will take? 15 bucks?
He says> ok, only if you will pay taxes.
I say> ok how much is the total?
He says> $15.25!
I said> SOLD!

BOTTOM LINE, SELLERS HAVE TO SELL, BUYERS DO NOT HAVE TO BUY, THEY CAN JUST KEEP THEIR MONIES.

This is the silliest thing I have ever heard of. I dont know where you got this idea.

IT varies from time to time, and situation to situation.

Example 1: your car blows a tire. It is not optional whether you want a replacement or not. It is a requirement. YOU HAVE to buy one (or more). Therefore, the seller has you by the balls. Sure, sellers still have to compete among each other for pricing and service, as the buyer will often go with the best deal he can find. Other factors come into play such as service level, expected time until the part is in the buyers hands, warranty (if any), and availability which can all determine which seller the buyer will buy from. Having the lowest price will not help if the seller does not have the item on hand when the buyer needs it most, or if the quality is lower, or maybe the seller is just an asshole and the buyer would rather pay 10 bucks more across the street and be treated well.

Obviously if you need a tire and the only store in town that has the tire you need, also charges a lot, you will still have to buy from that seller at their price even if you do not like it.

In this example, THE BUYER HAS TO BUY, but the SELLER DOES NOT HAVE TO SELL. This creates a higher price, a seller's market on the seller's terms.

EXAMPLE 2: Business is weak, the seller needs money. A buyer comes along, half interested in something the seller has. The seller has to sell some parts soon or go out of business, or go hungry, or whatever. So he basically has to sell while the buyer does not necessarily have to buy. The seller must convince the buyer to buy...based on a low price, item quality, warranty, availability, friendly demeanor, etc. This creates a buyer's market on the buyer's terms.

Example 3: A seller has a part that he considers selling. He does not NEED the money, but it would be nice to have the money instead of the part that he no longer wants or needs. He knows the value of the part, knows that it is not an easy part to obtain new, and knows that it is in good condition. Therefore he has no desire to give the part away at a low price simply to move it.

A buyer is interested in said part, but is looking for a better deal. The buyer would like to have the part...but does not NEED or have to have the part. IT would just be a nice part to have. He knows the part costs more new than the seller is asking for it. However since he doesnt need it for his particular situation very much, he is still not willing to pay that much. The only way it would be worthwhile is if the part were offered very cheap, to make it such a good deal that he cannot pass up.

In this case neither the buyer or seller NEED the deal to happen, thus it is neither a buyer or seller's market. They will likely not agree to a deal until one of the 2 circumstances change; either the seller needs money more badly or the buyer develops more of a desire for the part.

As you can see by these 3 examples, price/value IS SET BY THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING BUYERS AND SELLERS more than anything. It depends on how badly a seller needs the money, and how badly a buyer needs an item. If a seller is trying to unload parts at a given time and buyers are uninterested, he will have to lower his prices to get a sale at that time. IF a buyer needs a certain part immediately then sellers can sell at a higher price.

Example 1: your car blows a tire. It is not optional whether you want a replacement or not. It is a requirement. YOU HAVE to buy one (or more).
Not really. You could choose to leave it as is. It may not be a very smart choice, but it's still a choice.

The seller has to sell some parts soon or go out of business, or go hungry, or whatever. So he basically has to sell while the buyer does not necessarily have to buy.
Same as above, but you've already said that.

My point is there is never a "has to". There may be a "has to or else" but that "or else" just disproved the "has to". The "or else" may justify the choice to purchase in circumstances that are not to your advantage, but ultimately it's still a choice to purchase.

There are no "has to" in life. Only choices. Even if they're dumb choices :)

After selling my RX8 and many of the parts or any parts for that matter... I have received numerous emails asking...
"What is the lowest price for ITEMX?"

you should just tell them a higher price than what you posted, give them a mind fuck. :evil_laug

Its a public forum. Being able to negotiate prices is the only thing that keeps car forum classifieds alive. If you dont want low ballers go to ebay and post up a buy it now with no bidding.

Other than that get used to it its called bargaining its been going on for a while....

Yup used parts dont build interest like a home lol

What I have found odd is that most buyers on this forum seem willing to give just about any price for a used item, thus the sellers continue to ask high prices for their used parts.

A midpipe sells new for a bit over 200 plus shipping. I see them being sold regularly for 180-200 shipped. Short shifters apparently sell for a little under 300, and I see them being sold for 200-250. catbacks sell new for 500 give or take 100 and they bring almost that much used.

Not only that, but people here literally fight over used stuff, calling dibs, 2nd dibs, outbidding the guy who placed first dibs, etc. Half the time there is a line of people 5 or 6 deep calling 'dibs" on the same part which is only 10-20% cheaper than new cost.

Some buyers wonder why sellers price stuff high...because other buyers who are apparently not that bright, perpetuate it.

Not really. You could choose to leave it as is. It may not be a very smart choice, but it's still a choice.


Same as above, but you've already said that.

My point is there is never a "has to". There may be a "has to or else" but that "or else" just disproved the "has to". The "or else" may justify the choice to purchase in circumstances that are not to your advantage, but ultimately it's still a choice to purchase.

There are no "has to" in life. Only choices. Even if they're dumb choices :)

But for all intents and purposes, if you have a busted transmission, or a flat tire, or a clogged cat, or a bad fuel pump, or whatever, then you have to obtain a replacement immediately, unless you are like me and have several cars to drive. And so this means the buyer will have to deal with a seller's market at that time, unless they are very lucky and find someone who is just trying to move parts cheap that day and happens to have exactly what they need.

As a parts seller since 1999, I have found that if I try to sell something when I want to sell it, it is difficult to get it to sell for anywhere near a fair price. I either have to sit on it a long time and wait for a buyer (in need) to come and pay my regular price, OR I have to reduce my price significantly if I want to unload said part at that time.

This is why I like the ebay store so well. I have found that if I run an auction for a 25 dollar part, the bid might not get above a dollar or 2, if it gets bids at all. But if I put the same item in my store and let it sit there and wait for someone (in need) to see it later on, they will pay 35 or 40 dollars for it.

what about a trade? i propose a trade for item x for 5 nudie pics of my ex-gf.

I'll give you 2 item x's, 1 item q, 5 item t's, and have Taja give you a zj for said pics:eyetwitch

where the F is taja anyway, i dont see his randomness anymore? is he corrupting another forum now with his new car?

What I have found odd is that most buyers on this forum seem willing to give just about any price for a used item, thus the sellers continue to ask high prices for their used parts.

A midpipe sells new for a bit over 200 plus shipping. I see them being sold regularly for 180-200 shipped. Short shifters apparently sell for a little under 300, and I see them being sold for 200-250. catbacks sell new for 500 give or take 100 and they bring almost that much used.

Not only that, but people here literally fight over used stuff, calling dibs, 2nd dibs, outbidding the guy who placed first dibs, etc. Half the time there is a line of people 5 or 6 deep calling 'dibs" on the same part which is only 10-20% cheaper than new cost.

Some buyers wonder why sellers price stuff high...because other buyers who are apparently not that bright, perpetuate it.

Times is hard (or so "they" say) bro. Get what you can if not move on.

Ok, wow this thread took off like a dude on a blind date with a fat chick.

So I am glad there is some humor in this. you guys all crack me up. :Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy: ITEMX is SOLD:Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy:
Sorry guys, but im sure the buyer will post his install pics and DIY thread soon.

Oh and my gf totally doesnt understand my point at all, so I HAD to post this thread.



Travass, either u failed your economics class or u can not apply what they tried to teach u.
Its all about supply and demand. The seller has to sell..to some degree, the buyer does not have to buy. Why? the seller started the action, means its a sell sided deal. If the buyer had started the action, ie approached and wanted to buy then it would be a buyer sided deal.
Its the same in the stock market. A buy or a sell, depending on the above.

You say>>>
The lowest price for anything is probably 1 cent.
You are crazy to think the seller will sell for that though.
Ya see, the key as a seller is to get as much $$ as you can for an item, not the lowest.
I say>>u are wrong: the lowest price is not 1 cent. I have been paid to "remove " the item from the sellers place. GO figure.
Remember Tom Sawyer? He was given the job to paint a fence white.
What did he do? His friends paid him so he would let them paint the fence

Also, Ya see, the key as a buyer is to get an item, for the lowest $$$, not the highest.

SO WHAT IS THE LOWEST YOU WILL TAKE?

PS.
I went to the Texas Rally in Galveston this past Sunday. I saw a man's bag. I asked what is the price? He says> $19.99
I ask> What is the lowest you will take? 15 bucks?
He says> ok, only if you will pay taxes.
I say> ok how much is the total?
He says> $15.25!
I said> SOLD!

BOTTOM LINE, SELLERS HAVE TO SELL, BUYERS DO NOT HAVE TO BUY, THEY CAN JUST KEEP THEIR MONIES.

Dude, it sounds like YOU failed HS economics. I have a Bachelors in Business Administration from UNF, thanks for letting me share that. As others will later point out... I do NOT HAVE to sell. I would imagine that most parts for sale on such forums are spare parts. They either sit around and collect dust, or "seller" makes a minimal to exorbitant effort to sell.



Sellers do not HAVE to sell.

Sellers WANT to sell.
Buyers WANT to buy.

Always remember: A fair price for an item is whichever price the buyer and seller agree upon.
THANK YOU!

Value is simply the price somebody is willing to payfor an item. The "paying" may be a nominal ($$$) amount or a service like hauling off parts as somebody mentioned.

It seems a lot of people have really missed the point of the post. I don't see anything in his post that is anti-negotiation or ant-bargaining. His point is that buyers should make an offer rather than ask "What is the lowest price you would be willing to sell for?" Good negotiators make a reasonably low offer and bargain from there. If you ask for the lowest price and really expect that the seller will tell what their rock bottom price is you are dreaming.

THANK YOU GOD!!!
Every post previous to this one made me:banghead: .
DREAMING is putting it nicely.
It is apparent that many people here just dont get it.



you should just tell them a higher price than what you posted, give them a mind fuck. :evil_laug

hahaha I like the way you think, but ican never remember the price that i have posted on the thread so i have to pull it up before responding. maybe i will just over quote every price by $100+.

Well as a Seller, I do not go for the "highest price" I can get. I am not money hungry,.
I treat my fellow forum member with respect.
Example: 2 weeks or so before turkey day, a forum member posted that he wanted a spare tire kit.
He said he went to a Mazda dealer and was quoted the price of $110 ( plus taxes of course)
He asked if anyone had one at a better price.
So I ask you Travass and all others: what price would you ask for a spare tire kit ( no wear parts since it was never used)
If I was trying to get the most monies then would I ask for 109.99 with no taxes?
He would still be saving monies

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I even delivered to San Antonio since I was going there for the holidays
SO WHAT WOULD YOU U AS A SELLER ASK FOR THAT ITEM?

I asked for less than 50%. yes I could have asked and gotten more but it not a money issue but a being fair issue.
I asked for $50 bucks and both of us were happy campers.

The lack of bargaining skills that buyers and sellers have here in America is why used parts sell ridiculously high. Try telling someone overseas that a used 600 exhuast is only $100 less than a new exhaust.....

Ive noticed a lot of sellers just get angry when someone lowballs them which would explain the "whats the lowest you will take" from a buyer. Its not the smartest aproach but it saves time and gets straight down to business.

See thats the thing. If you can find it for cheep from another location or buyer then whats stoping you from buying it from that seller?

Put a price out there and if no one wants it move on.
Or wait then come back and offer the price a second time if the parts still up for sale.
I see it like buying a car. You just dont walk in and out with a new car for for $10K less that what the dealer is asking for. You have to work a deal and not every sales man is the same.

On top of all this and that keep in mind. People have money on here and sellers know it. If you buying all this pricy parts then turn around and sell them you not going to sell for 1/5 price. Thats just stupid. Now I know there are some broke people out there that dont want to pay 10%-20% less that what a used item in dam good shape is being sold for and if thats the case look for something more rusted looking.

I guess the bottem line is if you know what a part is worth new expect to pay.

On top of all this and that keep in mind. People have money on here and sellers know it. If you buying all this pricy parts then turn around and sell them you not going to sell for 1/5 price. Thats just stupid. Now I know there are some broke people out there that dont want to pay 10%-20% less that what a used item in dam good shape is being sold for and if thats the case look for something more rusted looking.

I guess the bottem line is if you know what a part is worth new expect to pay.

The problem with that theory is...

in my opinion, I'd rather spend the extra 10-15% and get the new part, with guaranteed fitment and condition, from a reputable vendor who runs a legitimate business and who will give me the parts in a timely manner.

Whereas, buying from a random person on an internet forum, you run a big risk of...

issues with the payment "going through"

issues with them not shipping the part when they say due to work/school/family/their dog dying/their transmission in their DD going out/whatever other random excuse people give out when they are too lazy to pack and ship stuff they sell

issues with them not "knowing how to ship parts" causing delays in getting your stuff

issues with them not being able to package the part properly, resulting in damage during shipping

issues with them selling parts not in the condition they say they are, or not the same specs as they say (wheels, turbo kits, etc. for instance)

issues with some small parts of "kits" or assemblies being missing...hardware, gaskets, instructions, etc.

THESE are the reasons buyers expect used parts to be significantly cheaper than new if they are going to TAKE THE CHANCE of buying used from an individual, rather than buying new from a legitimate business that knows what they are doing.

To use your example above...sellers here are not selling new cars with warranties. They are selling used cars in "as is, no warranty expressed or implied, once you pay for it, it's your baby for better or worse" condition. Without letting the person inspect it personally before buying.

How many cars do YOU buy for 80-90% of retail, after being used an indeterminate amount (you have to take the seller's word for that), without personally inspecting them to determine condition?

There is RISK and REWARD. IF you buy brand new, there is little to no risk, but also lack of reward, i.e. higher prices.

IF you buy used, there is much more risk, but there should also be more reward, i.e. savings on price.

You are suggesting that we should still take the risk without getting much reward.

Ok, wow this thread took off like a dude on a blind date with a fat chick.

So I am glad there is some humor in this. you guys all crack me up. :Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy: ITEMX is SOLD:Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy:
Sorry guys, but im sure the buyer will post his install pics and DIY thread soon.

Oh and my gf totally doesnt understand my point at all, so I HAD to post this thread.





Dude, it sounds like YOU failed HS economics. I have a Bachelors in Business Administration from UNF, thanks for letting me share that. As others will later point out... I do NOT HAVE to sell. I would imagine that most parts for sale on such forums are spare parts. They either sit around and collect dust, or "seller" makes a minimal to exorbitant effort to sell.




THANK YOU!

Value is simply the price somebody is willing to payfor an item. The "paying" may be a nominal ($$$) amount or a service like hauling off parts as somebody mentioned.



THANK YOU GOD!!!
Every post previous to this one made me:banghead: .
DREAMING is putting it nicely.
It is apparent that many people here just dont get it.





hahaha I like the way you think, but ican never remember the price that i have posted on the thread so i have to pull it up before responding. maybe i will just over quote every price by $100+.

WTF I CALLED DIBS :rant: This is going in the bad sellers section....

Yoiks- I need to wrap my head with duct tape so that it doesn't explode. :banghead:

I really can't understand the logic that some of you submit. I'm in total agreement with Travass. I too have had people blind side me by asking "what's the lowest you'll go on that item?" WTF? You apparently don't think that my price is fair, so suggest what you DO think is a fair price and we'll go from there. THAT's called negotiating. How would the buyer feel if I responded "well how much are you willing to pay?" That illustrates just how stupid the buyers question is.

Our world is one of compromises. In order to survive you must be able to compromise with damn near everybody and everything. If you can't do that you will die.

Low ballers are obnoxious, and deserve to be kicked in those low hanging balls of theirs.

I sold my old honda accord for 1000 bucks because I wanted it gone, and the schmuck starts saying he only wants to pay 800 once the paperwork is signed off.

Dude, It's already 2/3rds off blue book price. I'm screwing myself just to get the damn thing out of my possession and you're trying to talk me down?

/he didn't get his 200 dollar discount.
//he did take the car though.

well i have this picture of a spider i drew. I value it at 5 bucks. but im willing to devalue it to 2.49 to beat mysqls bid if you'll agree to an even exchange. you could turn around and sell it for even less on EBAY

well i have this picture of a spider i drew. I value it at 5 bucks.


Dear Zoom44, Thank you for contacting us. Unfortunately I am unable to accept drawings as payment. Please contact me within the next 7 days to confirm payment has been sent for your winning bid on Ebay item number 393749630.


Dear Travass, Can i have my drawing of a spider back then please.


lols

I'll give you 2 item x's, 1 item q, 5 item t's, and have Taja give you a zj for said pics:eyetwitch

where the F is taja anyway, i dont see his randomness anymore? is he corrupting another forum now with his new car?

ok, just for you, i'll give you one slightly edited pic. for free. pm me.

:lol:

The problem with that theory is...

in my opinion, I'd rather spend the extra 10-15% and get the new part, with guaranteed fitment and condition, from a reputable vendor who runs a legitimate business and who will give me the parts in a timely manner.

Whereas, buying from a random person on an internet forum, you run a big risk of...

issues with the payment "going through"

issues with them not shipping the part when they say due to work/school/family/their dog dying/their transmission in their DD going out/whatever other random excuse people give out when they are too lazy to pack and ship stuff they sell

issues with them not "knowing how to ship parts" causing delays in getting your stuff

issues with them not being able to package the part properly, resulting in damage during shipping

issues with them selling parts not in the condition they say they are, or not the same specs as they say (wheels, turbo kits, etc. for instance)

issues with some small parts of "kits" or assemblies being missing...hardware, gaskets, instructions, etc.

THESE are the reasons buyers expect used parts to be significantly cheaper than new if they are going to TAKE THE CHANCE of buying used from an individual, rather than buying new from a legitimate business that knows what they are doing.

To use your example above...sellers here are not selling new cars with warranties. They are selling used cars in "as is, no warranty expressed or implied, once you pay for it, it's your baby for better or worse" condition. Without letting the person inspect it personally before buying.

How many cars do YOU buy for 80-90% of retail, after being used an indeterminate amount (you have to take the seller's word for that), without personally inspecting them to determine condition?

There is RISK and REWARD. IF you buy brand new, there is little to no risk, but also lack of reward, i.e. higher prices.

IF you buy used, there is much more risk, but there should also be more reward, i.e. savings on price.

You are suggesting that we should still take the risk without getting much reward.

Right. See I see all that as commen sence and if you dont have the ability to think like that then you should not be buying shit online or in person. Do some pros and cons and go from there.

Low ballers are obnoxious, and deserve to be kicked in those low hanging balls of theirs.

I sold my old honda accord for 1000 bucks because I wanted it gone, and the schmuck starts saying he only wants to pay 800 once the paperwork is signed off.

Dude, It's already 2/3rds off blue book price. I'm screwing myself just to get the damn thing out of my possession and you're trying to talk me down?

/he didn't get his 200 dollar discount.
//he did take the car though.A few years back I sold my old Ford Probe. Had in a local for sale magazine and some punk kid keeps calling me on a Saturday night when I'm working late at the office because he absolutely HAD to pick up the car because he could put an engine in it the next day. I think our agreed upon price was $1,500 or something. Well he shows up with a tow truck to take the car away. As it turns out, the kid hired a tow truck to drive 50 miles to come and get the non-working vehicle. He then says I only have $1,300 with me. I told him he also has a long ride home in the tow truck he hired. The driver of the truck laughed his ass off because he got paid either way and now he didn't have to do anything but drive.

Bottom line is that not only are people stupid but cheapskates and less than honest.

BTW I should have beat the kid up and taken his money for trying to play me like that.

dom you need a sig pic or something so i know its you- changing your av and no sig pic made me actually READ the name before i knew it was you.

merry christmas:)

Oh right well Santa (STL) took my sig pic away LOL jking ;)
The weather has been poopy hell we even got snow. Now its all good and I'm off Monday so its time to clean the Car up take some pix and up date my sig. I'm running out of typing space better to just post a pic

Merry Christmas man and Happy New Year!