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Anyone else see the A/F ratio in the 16s during cruise with the BASE calibration? Oh well.. quicker death for the CAT! Midpipe to come!

Anyone else see the A/F ratio in the 16s during cruise with the BASE calibration? Oh well.. quicker death for the CAT! Midpipe to come!

That will happen. That means you have under-sized injector scaling.

If the ambient temp is...lets say freezing (winter in Chicago)....do you need to wait the full 8 hours, or is it enough to just let the coolant temp return to the normal cold position? 60-80 degrees or something?

Yes - the point is to get the coolant down to "cold start" territory.
Really, any coolant temp below 120° is probably adequate.

Just for clarification we need to send you an email for base calibration if we have the MazSport ignition even if NA right.

Well, that would be on the cusp, so to speak. But I guess "yes" should be the right answer since I actually said "MazSport Ignition" in the original post!!!!
The main point of the need for a custom start-up calibration was that there would be some people that had setups that wouldn't run at all without one.
The MazSport ignition really doesn't fall into that category, but I figured there would be some with FI and that ignition that wouldn't be safe without a custom start-up calibration.

Please people - Read the first post THOUROUGHLY. I am not going to answer questions that are directly addressed in it.

I was wondering if you have calibrations for the esmeril turbo kit?

I know what I'll be doing on Friday night / Saturday. :fruit:

Jeff, still wondering on that AEM CAI thing. I plan to do this test with your new base map on saturday. Should I install the AEM CAI or should I keep the greddy intake? Please let me know so I can do this right the first time :D

I ask because this is not written in your post as something from the the 10 deadly questions and we have had this discussion before. But last time i installed it with the base map I have on right now my idl AFR's were horrible and sputtering.

alien: whatever parts you plan on having on your car, do the testing with THAT.
These are new base maps, you should see different results. Even if you don't, then at least Jeff can work on getting you a map that works well with your setup. (48 hour turn around sounds nice)

Based on Jeff's response, I'm guessing he found a way to tune the maps without 2nd and 3rd gear WOT which sounds AWESOME.

this is awesome!

Ok then I will test it out on friday. Hopefully this time around I can actuallyd rive the car with the intake haha. Last time it would turn off and everything :(

By the way Jeff, any update on my order??

I cant wait for those injectors so I can install the new turbo.

Based on Jeff's response, I'm guessing he found a way to tune the maps without 2nd and 3rd gear WOT which sounds AWESOME.

NO! Please read the first post CAREFULLY.


NOTE:
These are BASE CALIBRATIONS. They provide NO PERFORMANCE BENEFIT over stock and are designed ONLY for the purpose of collecting data for proper calibration of your particular car.

Jeff: Thanks for the clarification on the temperature. Chicago winters suck a little less now.

Now I just have to wait for Ray and the gang to ship my damn coil kit :eyetwitch

I haven't had a chance to look at the new features yet, but from what I'm gathering, it now data logs? Does this mean we can just use this for the data logs for the performance oriented tunes? Or do we still need to use a separate data logger and make graphs?

And does this replace the previous method where we run the car with the starting map then choose the next map based on our fuel trim showed? And if so, will we need to do the WOT runs and data log them again? Just making sure because I'm almost done with graphing my data log and want to make sure to get it right the first time before I send this one off...

These questions are directed at anyone who can answer...

NO! Please read the first post CAREFULLY.

Ah I completely misread that...

I know the 'base' calibrations do not provide performance benefit but when I read "collecting data for proper calibration of your particular car" I mis-read that as getting a 'tuned' map for the car.

Sorry had a very long night =)

Makes sense now.

Well, that would be on the cusp, so to speak. But I guess "yes" should be the right answer since I actually said "MazSport Ignition" in the original post!!!!
The main point of the need for a custom start-up calibration was that there would be some people that had setups that wouldn't run at all without one.
The MazSport ignition really doesn't fall into that category, but I figured there would be some with FI and that ignition that wouldn't be safe without a custom start-up calibration.

Please people - Read the first post THOUROUGHLY. I am not going to answer questions that are directly addressed in it.

Easy Boss! That would be why I sent my email before asking on the forum. You said a while back you didn't touch timming unless you had to like for MazSport FI sets ups. I am just trying to make sure you didn't get flooded with emails for NA base maps when there is nothing your going to do with them anyway. I Also didn't see a reason to wait for a return email for something I could have gotten off your 1st post. Less work for you less work for me Saves you time saves me time.

No worries - follow directions - can do. :)

I haven't had a chance to look at the new features yet, but from what I'm gathering, it now data logs? Does this mean we can just use this for the data logs for the performance oriented tunes? Or do we still need to use a separate data logger and make graphs?

And does this replace the previous method where we run the car with the starting map then choose the next map based on our fuel trim showed? And if so, will we need to do the WOT runs and data log them again? Just making sure because I'm almost done with graphing my data log and want to make sure to get it right the first time before I send this one off...

These questions are directed at anyone who can answer...

As MM stated read the 1st post very carefully...everything you asked is answered in his FIRST POST! You only get one calibration

u rock!

As MM stated read the 1st post very carefully...everything you asked is answered in his FIRST POST! You only get one calibration

Ok, done. And I'm still looking to clarify that I need to redo the whole graph process. If I remember correctly, with the previous set of instructions, you were supposed to get your base map and drive the car for 150+ miles before getting your data log of the WOT runs. Does that still apply? Or can I just start my car up and run out to do my runs? I'm guessing it's the same process, but since I cant seem to find that stated anywhere, I wanted to confirm this. If we do need to do that, I'll find every excuse I can to drive... otherwise, I'm not in a rush to rack up the miles on my car needlessly.

edit: found the 150+ miles thing in the email that was sent out when I first got it. It must have been edited out of his original method's post.

....You will receive a confirmation within 24 hours of your submission.

Awesome.

So we don't need a separate base for CA cars?

Awesome.

So we don't need a separate base for CA cars?

when you download your file it will ask you a series of questions which will take you to your file. It asks for model year, federal/california, MT/AT and NA/FI. Once you've gone through and selected all your things it has the link to download your file. So, in short, you will have a different one if your car is a CA car.

So we do the datalog procedure right after the second drive cycle of the install? Ie. the engine is at operating temperature when we start logging? Just making sure.

when you download your file it will ask you a series of questions which will take you to your file. It asks for model year, federal/california, MT/AT and NA/FI. Once you've gone through and selected all your things it has the link to download your file. So, in short, you will have a different one if your car is a CA car.

I checked 2004 and didn't see a CALIFORNIA option. 2005 and 2006-2008 have one, but not 2004.

So we do the datalog procedure right after the second drive cycle of the install? Ie. the engine is at operating temperature when we start logging? Just making sure.

"Drive cycle" means up to temperature and back to cool again. In other words, cool it off again before the third drive that you data-log.
I'll clarify the first post further.

I checked 2004 and didn't see a CALIFORNIA option. 2005 and 2006-2008 have one, but not 2004.

There is no difference between California and Federal models in 2004 (2003).

There is no difference between California and Federal models in 2004 (2003).

Thanks!

well, just finished my first drive cycle.

When I first got my AP a few months ago I found out I had an 05 version in my 04 car. But today when I went to reinstall it recognized it as being an 05 cali. I'm guessing it's nothing to worry about since it worked fine with the 05 cali file but any guess as to why that happened? Did something in COBB's update change the way it recognizes it?

I'm revoking the MazSport caveat to the Base Calibration set.
If you are running ANY ignition system, use the provided base calibrations.
Any changes in dwell will be addressed later as these calibrations, as noted, are NOT designed to do anything other than provide preliminary data.
They do NOT contain any "tuning" and will not challenge any ignition system any more than a stock tune would.

If you are boosted, the same precautions apply. You should NOT be pushing too far into boost with these base calibrations.

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man, I wish there wasn't snow and ice on the ground.... :anger:

man, I wish there wasn't snow and ice on the ground.... :anger:

:scratchhe I know what ice is, I use it in my Margaritas.

But what is this "snow" you speak of?

:scratchhe I know what ice is, I use it in my Margaritas.

But what is this "snow" you speak of?

Its a strange substance people in the northern latitudes use to capture urine - usually in the shape of their name.

Damn i'd have to say at idle for the first two startups its no fun at all, its like it forgot to realize i took my foot off the clutch goes 20.3 just had to tap the gas a few times in town traffic. almost lost her once but cought it before it died.

I got your logs and you didn't even include an idle log as the instructions request.

:scratchhe I know what ice is, I use it in my Margaritas.

But what is this "snow" you speak of?

It's pretty neat. I hadn't heard of it here in san antonio till last night. Apparently when it gets really cold and it's raining, it will turn to this light fluffy white stuff... It turned to water when it hit the concrete but it just slowly drifted down to the ground...

JEFF (MM)

Any word on my order?

Its a strange substance people in the northern latitudes use to capture urine - usually in the shape of their name.


So what Frank said was true,,,,
, "Don't you go where the Huskies go and don't you eat that yellow snow".

:uhh:

:scratchhe I know what ice is, I use it in my Margaritas.

But what is this "snow" you speak of?
no need to rub it in :lol2:

I got your logs and you didn't even include an idle log as the instructions request.


uh...fail...?

the instructions don't get any clearer...I don't understand how people have so many problems following simple instructions :dunno:

no wonder Jeff gets frustrated....I do just reading some of the posts in this thread :lol2:

:beer05: here you go MM, you deserve one...or ten :P

uh...fail...?

the instructions don't get any clearer...I don't understand how people have so many problems following simple instructions :dunno:

no wonder Jeff gets frustrated....I do just reading some of the posts in this thread :lol2:

:beer05: here you go MM, you deserve one...or ten :P

over time hopefully... friends dont let friends drunk tune...

^lol

7) Press the "OK" button again to start the data-log and count to 10 in your head.
8) Press the "OK" button again.

is that directions for an idle log?

yes.

Quick question... you say for the 2 driving cycles to drive it carefully? why is that? (again... question for anyone who knows)

yes.

Quick question... you say for the 2 driving cycles to drive it carefully? why is that? (again... question for anyone who knows)
maybe cuz it's not the proper calibration yet? :dunno:

I swear to god I read the first post... if we have a custom map we should still do this, correct?

Quick question... you say for the 2 driving cycles to drive it carefully? why is that? (again... question for anyone who knows)

1) Prudence.
2) The calibration is very, very generic.

The idea is to get data. So, there is NO fuel tuning, no MAF tuning and no injector scaling.
In theory, it should run like stock.
However, I have learned a LOT about theories over the past couple of years and, well, I'm gonna stick with what I know.

7) Press the "OK" button again to start the data-log and count to 10 in your head.
8) Press the "OK" button again.

is that directions for an idle log?

Yes. I will clarify the instructions further.

maybe cuz it's not the proper calibration yet? :dunno:

but that makes me wonder... how carefully... from what it says in the first post, we'll be waiting up to 3 days for the proper calibration. Does this mean we drive carefully that whole time?

but that makes me wonder... how carefully... from what it says in the first post, we'll be waiting up to 3 days for the proper calibration. Does this mean we drive carefully that whole time?

That's up to you. Its your car.
You'll be waiting probably longer than 3 days. That is just the turn around for the customized base calibration. It will then take a few more data logs using that modified data to get proper performance tuning.
If you feel the car is safe to drive - drive it however you like. Only you know what is proper for your situation.

I swear to god I read the first post... if we have a custom map we should still do this, correct?

lol

Added just for you:


Those MazdaManiac Custom Calibration Service users that already have customized calibrations that are performing satisfactorily need not submit any further customization requests or logs.
You may, however, wish to update your firmware to take advantage of the new features.

awesome blossom... I'm playing with the data logging but was unsure of scrapping my super awesome custom map

awesome blossom... I'm playing with the data logging but was unsure of scrapping my super awesome custom map

You could always get another one from scratch and compare. Kind of an A/B comparison.

Oh Jeff, I've been spoiled running your smooth map for a while. My car certainly doesn't like that Base map as much hah. I'm e-mailing you my logs now, but question; at what point should I request the redline and fan temp changes I had before?

Well, if you are already running OK, you don't need to change.


Those MazdaManiac Custom Calibration Service users that already have customized calibrations that are performing satisfactorily need not submit any further customization requests or logs.
You may, however, wish to update your firmware to take advantage of the new features.

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That's up to you. Its your car.
You'll be waiting probably longer than 3 days. That is just the turn around for the customized base calibration. It will then take a few more data logs using that modified data to get proper performance tuning.

I see. The base calibration is set up for what exactly? Is it -only- for finding the data logs to get the performance tune? Or is it supposed to be a safe map for the car to run that isnt the best performance? Just wondering if you'd recommend sticking with the base calibration you send us till we get the performance tune...

Well, if you are already running OK, you don't need to change.

Well smooth, but I didn't get an updated map with leaned AFRs before the big update, so I figured I needed to start over. That's the impression that I got from the instructions; if your tune isn't completely finalized you need to start over?

Jeff, how skewed would my calibration be if the data I sent you I logged immediately after the second drive cycle? I never let the car cool down again.

Jeff,
Since most of the AP owners are Manual Transmission owners, what gear & rpm should us 4 spd Automatic owners use? What speed is 4200 rpm and 4th for a MT? 4200 rpm in 4th is close to 100 mph for me!




9) Take your RX-8 to a safe section of completely flat highway where you can get the vehicle up to 4200 RPM in 4th gear for several miles at a time without being disturbed.
10) Once you are up to 4200 RPM in 4th, turn on your A/C, headlamps and rear defroster and set the cruise control to hold your speed.

Hey Jeff received your new base map last night thanks, The shop will be finishing up my car today and will be starting it up tomorrow hopefully all goes well, I'm a probably play around w/your pre fix maps as well as I can switch around w/those to get proper trims vs having one map and not knowing if the car will even run off it. Worse comes to worse, I'm bringing my laptop up there w/me which has the tuner software on it and get a dyno tune.

humm :scratchhe Just got back from my first trip. After reflashing my car usually drives like piss but after this whole little deal my car drove great. Idle was rock solid when coming to stops and it actually seemed to sit a bit higher around 900 rpm. STFT was dead on 0 after the drive when I was previously running 3a maps with -0 LTFT. oh well guess it's cooling time.

Jeff,
Since most of the AP owners are Manual Transmission owners, what gear & rpm should us 4 spd Automatic owners use? What speed is 4200 rpm and 4th for a MT? 4200 rpm in 4th is close to 100 mph for me!

I guess 2nd? The MT is doing about 60-ish MPH at 4200 RPM.

Jeff, how skewed would my calibration be if the data I sent you I logged immediately after the second drive cycle? I never let the car cool down again.

Hard to say.
But if you are seeing LTFT being set, its probably OK.

Jeff.

I recently removed by Mazsport coils and installed the BHR coils today. The car won’t start and I am highly confident it was installed properly because this is not the 1st time I have installed coils.

Would it be possible that my map is the cause of the problem? It currently has the different dwell settings for the Mazsport coils.

I recently removed by Mazsport coils and installed the BHR coils today. The car won’t start and I am highly confident it was installed properly because this is not the 1st time I have installed coils.

Would it be possible that my map is the cause of the problem? It currently has the different dwell settings for the Mazsport coils.

No, that wouldn't affect it either way.

Jeff should I start playing with this to get a map for my current setup or should I just send you the 10 deadly questions since I will be changing my setup as soon as I recieve your injectors and couplers?

By the way how long for that? :D

Base calibrations work for ALL setups.
Once you get the upgraded injectors in place, you should submit for the adjusted base calibration.
You should have your stuff by the beginning of next week, I should think. I don't know exactly how long it takes for stuff to get to Puerto Rico.

Good I guess I will have to wait then

Good I guess I will have to wait then

I just said you DON'T have to wait. You can just switch to a new calibration when you get your parts.
The base calibration works for ALL setups.
Just download it, install it and follow the directions.

Data log sent!

I just said you DON'T have to wait. You can just switch to a new calibration when you get your parts.
The base calibration works for ALL setups.
Just download it, install it and follow the directions.

I know what you said. I might have come on the wrong way. What I mean is there is no point in me installing the AEM CAI and following the directions if I will just have to ask for even another thing a week after, or is it? That is what i am trying to decide. Is it worth it to start the process when im changing parts in a week?

Also do you think it would be smart for me to install the new turbo and CAI this weekend if possible. Then put the base map and do the logging and get this going and just install the injectors when they get here?

Im just trying to do it right and the easiest for you. Thats why im asking, dont want you to have to work more than you should.

If you think its ok that I should install the turbo and CAI this weekend with the base calibration then send you the logs and then next week install the injectors with the new map that you send me then Ill do it.

Thanks again MM

By the way can I install the upgrade withtout the upgraded injectors? I guess yes at very low psi.

Any recommendations?

The stock injectors will take you up to 7 PSI on the upgraded turbo fairly safely.
Throw the CAI on at least.

you work late... hope you at least sleep in a bit... just got my email saying it was received at like 5:30 (am)...

I'll sleep when I'm dead.

I'll sleep when I'm dead.

I was going to say ,, what are you doing up so early? And don't tell me Flashwong is still there.

I was going to say ,, what are you doing up so early? And don't tell me Flashwong is still there.

I think I'll take a nap soon.
FW is gone. Got to take a ride in the back of a police SUV.
At least I got my beer back.

I think I'll take a nap soon.
FW is gone. Got to take a ride in the back of a police SUV.
At least I got my beer back.


WHAT!? Tell me later. Cause as soon as I left your place one followed me until the I-10. I think he was looking for you two. :Eyecrazy:

The stock injectors will take you up to 7 PSI on the upgraded turbo fairly safely.
Throw the CAI on at least.

Im calling my friend today and if we can install tomorrow I will throw the turbo and the CAI in tomorrow to start the testing with the map. If not then I will just throw the CAI in there and start the map procedure hehe.

Damn it!! Why does all the cool stuff happen when I'm in Iraq? Also, does anyone know if the AP will work with the Esmeril Turbo? If I had to take a guess, I would say no, because the MAF is on the pressure side. Anyone got anything on this?

Edit: Talked with Ray and he confermed no go for the reason listed above.

Well called my friend and no turbo install tomorrow so I guess its just the CAI for now and then after the injectors get here Ill install everything else then. So wish me luck tomorrow working with all this :D

Jeff.

I recently removed by Mazsport coils and installed the BHR coils today. The car won’t start and I am highly confident it was installed properly because this is not the 1st time I have installed coils.

Would it be possible that my map is the cause of the problem? It currently has the different dwell settings for the Mazsport coils.

you can always uninstall the AP and try starting the car- easiest answer.

Hey Jeff,

Now I know you said use the new base calibration map, but if I already figured out that the old "MM YYYYs TT AA vXx_1a.ptm" was correct and never got around to sending you the data log, would it make it any easier to send you the data log for that, or is it still better to remove the old 1a one, install the new one and send you the data log?

Just trying to make it easier on you.

Basically, if you are running with correct AFRs and no concerns, there really isn't a reason to get involved in this.
If you were still awaiting corrections/adjustments, then start over with the new version.

So you want me to do a few runs without the N2o correct?

So I installed the AEM CAI and put in the new base calibration for FI, let it get to temp then drove it around the block.

So now to wait until tomorrow to do another drive around and then get some data logging.

The idle is smoother than I thought it would be, its just a little rough maybe tomorrow after the other cycle if will feel a bit better, other than that everything is fine.

woot

Was out logging today, didn't double-check the rpms on the AP, got back inside load up the log and it's 39xx rpm. God damn it. That rpm counter is off :P So back on the road tomorrow then.

Yeah - the OE tach is about 300 RPM high in most cases.

Jeff: quick question that I didn't see addressed in the 1st post.

After I load the base calibration, do the drive cycles, and logging, what map should I use to drive around with until you get back to us?
Can I use the 1e_2a that I had been running before?

I guess you use the base map hehe

Jeff: quick question that I didn't see addressed in the 1st post.

After I load the base calibration, do the drive cycles, and logging, what map should I use to drive around with until you get back to us?
Can I use the 1e_2a that I had been running before?
I would say keep running that base map, but drive it carefully until you get the proper calibrations.

Yeah - the OE tach is about 300 RPM high in most cases.

so should we go by the AP's reading of the actual RPMs for that run? I'm guessing quite a few people would be using the tach for the measure instead of watching the AP.

Jeff: quick question that I didn't see addressed in the 1st post.

After I load the base calibration, do the drive cycles, and logging, what map should I use to drive around with until you get back to us?
Can I use the 1e_2a that I had been running before?

I'd like to know this as well since I haven't received anything from Jeff since.

so should we go by the AP's reading of the actual RPMs for that run? I'm guessing quite a few people would be using the tach for the measure instead of watching the AP.

4500 is exactly 4200 on my car

Jeff: quick question that I didn't see addressed in the 1st post.

After I load the base calibration, do the drive cycles, and logging, what map should I use to drive around with until you get back to us?
Can I use the 1e_2a that I had been running before?

Its up to you. Its your car!
If you have a tuned calibration - use it.
Otherwise, the base calibration should run more or less like stock on 90% of the cars out there.

I had a map you loaded on the car @ the dyno day back in May. really rich in most areas but it works.
Base calibration run #1 complete: car runs well / idles well.
I'll shoot you an email tomorrow with logs.

thanks Jeff!

The base calibration worked very well on my RX8 Jeff. Thanks for taking the time to revamp everything with these firmware updates!

this may be a noob question but does it matter if we drove during the 2 drive cycles for more than "a few minutes" - thx

I should do some fun time logging. :icon_no2:

I'm gonna do all my logging in reverse

I'm gonna do all my logging in reverse
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picture fail!

this may be a noob question but does it matter if we drove during the 2 drive cycles for more than "a few minutes" - thx

The point is to at least be driving for a few minutes. I imagine anything more than that would be fine.

Ok so I did the 2nd drive cycle in the morning and I just got home from doing my logging so I will be sending that tonight to you Jeff.

Let me know if you need anything else :D

By the way MM on the 10 deadly questions I sent you my current setup but on saturday I am installing the new turbo with the injectors if they arrive next week like you said if not then without the injectors.

My question is. After you send me the new map for my current setup, do you want me to send you a new email with the 10 deadly questions for the new setup so you can make the new map?

4500 is exactly 4200 on my car

yeah, I know how I could compensate for it, but the problem is I had already sent off my logs using the tach as a judge, not the AP. So my log is showing closer to 4000 rpm now... will that still work or should I resubmit or what?

I think you have to be at 4200 before you go into open loop and he needs to see open loop. What was your stft at 4000?

I think you have to be at 4200 before you go into open loop and he needs to see open loop. What was your stft at 4000?

anywhere between -2 and 2 but mostly around 1-ish....

anywhere between -2 and 2 but mostly around 1-ish....

It will go to zero and stay there when you hit open loop.
It may show up as a fraction (like "-0.16" or something) in the datalog, but it will be steady.
4200 is really the minimum RPM. You can wind it out to 4500 or so just to be sure.

Hey MM, when I received the confirmation for the logs I sent you.. was that an "OKAY I recieved your logs and its workable" confirmation.. or was it just a "I GOT IT" confirmation and something may be wrong?

Its just an "I got it". ( I sent out 48 of those this weekend alone.)
Looking at everything right now...

It will go to zero and stay there when you hit open loop.
It may show up as a fraction (like "-0.16" or something) in the datalog, but it will be steady.
4200 is really the minimum RPM. You can wind it out to 4500 or so just to be sure.

The problem is that I've already sent out my logs to you. I hadnt thought to correct for the tach and clearly my numbers were off... so what should I do?

Do it right and send it again.

Its just an "I got it". ( I sent out 48 of those this weekend alone.)
Looking at everything right now...

Alright cool, hopefully my submission was OK. :)

well you got 48, thats not that bad, seems a lot of people have their cars in the garage for winter

good thing it doesnt snow down in Puerto Rico :D

logs sent Jeff....finally got a day where we had no snow or ice on the ground...although it was 5 degrees today....:(

well you got 48, thats not that bad, seems a lot of people have their cars in the garage for winter

good thing it doesnt snow down in Puerto Rico :D

Was navigating around on a 1 inch of pure hard ice around my friends place on saturday, quite a challenge even on winter tires. But hey, the freeway was clear, so no problem logging. But if it was cheaper to keep a car here I wouldn't drive it in winter. Lot of salt, so my car is full of anti-rust stuff :banghead:

Have to admit with the cold air and light Enkei's, winter ain't too bad :P

So I was bored and while waiting for Jeff to get back to me with an adjusted calibration I decided to try out the datalog feature.

Btw my Load problem seems to have been fixed with this calibration Jeff.

3rd gear WOT on the new MM base map for 2005 MT NA
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Yeah, that calibration should be similar to stock.
Just gotta get the trims right and I will load in my tuned fuel map and you should be good to go.

Yeah, that calibration should be similar to stock.
Just gotta get the trims right and I will load in my tuned fuel map and you should be good to go.

Good to know. I replied to your e-mail just now.

:( im sad, I got all excited when I got the new calibration this morning only to find out it was an AT calibration and my car is MT haha.

Apparently Jeff was still asleep :D

Hopefully I get the new calibration today.

Thanks anyway Jeff! Ill just upload it tonight if its done by then.

General question about the "driving cycle".

I know it says to drive it carefully for a few minutes then shut it off. But would it make a difference if I drive it for 15 miles (13 highway miles) before I shut it off? Would that still be considered 1 driving cycle?

you can drive it for longer, dont worry, its just that you should drive it around for at least a couple of minutes.

Jeff, got the next calibration. However, we had a snow storm yesterday and we are expecting another tomorrow. Might be a bit until I get the next set of logs out to you. Thanks for the quick turnaround time!

:( im sad, I got all excited when I got the new calibration this morning only to find out it was an AT calibration and my car is MT haha.

You answered question #5 "A/T". I'm not psychic!
lol
:spank:

You answered question #5 "A/T". I'm not psychic!
lol
:spank:

Jeff did my e-mail get to you, and is it everything you need?

You answered question #5 "A/T". I'm not psychic!
lol
:spank:

Yeah....Im sorry again haha

I had a mind slip

Yeah....Im sorry again haha

I had a mind slip

NP. Hooking it up right now.

Jeff did my e-mail get to you, and is it everything you need?

I need your AP serial#.

I need your AP serial#.

PMed it.

God I cant wait to get that map and put in on :D

I also cant wait to install the upgraded turbo this saturday :D

Hey Jeff.. in my case where you sent me an adjusted calibration to get my fuel trims correct (which seem spot on btw) do you want me to attach the new calibration with the new Cruising and Idling logs in the email?

Hey Jeff.. in my case where you sent me an adjusted calibration to get my fuel trims correct (which seem spot on btw) do you want me to attach the new calibration with the new Cruising and Idling logs in the email?

Nope. Not needed.
I'm keeping them here.

Jeff I still havent recieved mine. Everything ok? Im asking since you said it would take a couple of min.

Thanks!

Jeff I still havent recieved mine. Everything ok? Im asking since you said it would take a couple of min.

Thanks!

You are hell-bent on driving me absolutely crazy, aren't you?

I could've told you that, lol

Jeff, I sent an inquiry to the upgradekit@ email address. Still good?

Jeff, I sent an inquiry to the upgradekit@ email address. Still good?

Yep.

Life's trippy.

I finished my second driving cycle tonight and my trims seem to be steady. Looks like she may be ready for some action. I will get the new Cruising and Idle logs to you tomorrow morning Jeff.

I noticed that I no longer see an "obvious" Open Loop AFR. I held it at 4400 RPM, cruise, a/c, defroster... and AFRs weren't as promiment as the 16's I was seeing before. They just held in the upper 14s and lower 15s.. I held it at 4400 for a good 2 minutes and no obvious switch. I guess the logs will tell.

Very speedy service Jeff, I'll get logging again soon.

You say that we should drive the car carefully with these base maps, is there anything else we should look at than AFRs to know if it's good/bad for the car?

You don't have to "drive it carefully" - just be careful the first times you stomp on it to make sure that nothing is screwy.
If you make your way through the full RPM band in 2nd and 3rd at WOT and nothing is funky, then it should be no problem. Just expect it to be too rich above 5500 RPM.
Like all things of this nature, when you are at the heart of an "experiment" of sorts, you should have your eyes open as you explore the boundaries.

You are hell-bent on driving me absolutely crazy, aren't you?

Maybe :uhh:

:lol:

My 2nd driving cycle will be done on my drive home tonight and then i'll be sending in my logs.

Maybe :uhh:

:lol:

LOL! I'll put it together today. Too many things going on at once over here.

Ahhh.. once again my load is maxing out at 90% at WOT.. it didn't do that with the first new BASE calibration.. bah

Sure no worries. By the way spoke to my mechanic friend today and im installing the 3071r on saturday, I dont know if the injectors as well or not since I havent recieved them yet. If I only install the turbo I can run with my current map but not going into boost right? If I do get my injectors im guessing I need a new map to be able to even drive it right?

Thanks!

jeff i got a small ? i got the greddy turbo with the int x and from 1st thru 4th gear it pulls perfect all the way to redline but when i get to 5th gear going like 100 mph it starts jerkin so i let go as soon it starts doing that..... it was tuned by scott and i got the fuel pump upgraded from him and injectors too, runnin wit no cat, and i have his upgraded cai too. and i just changed the spark plugs too... any idea wat could be wrong???

jeff i got a small ? i got the greddy turbo with the int x and from 1st thru 4th gear it pulls perfect all the way to redline but when i get to 5th gear going like 100 mph it starts jerkin so i let go as soon it starts doing that..... it was tuned by scott and i got the fuel pump upgraded from him and injectors too, runnin wit no cat, and i have his upgraded cai too. and i just changed the spark plugs too... any idea wat could be wrong???

give us some more info. Are you using a boost controller? Do you have any data logs you can post? If not can you tell us what your AFR/MAF/Boost look like when its doing this?

It's kind of annoying at times how picky this thing is. I forget that my car is 2004 but thinks it's a 2005 cali model... so when I emailed my crap it had the wrong year. But I dont feel as bad because jeff missed that it said it was cali so I got a 2004 file when it should be 2005 cali.

Oh well, not exactly in a hurry or anything... just hope it's not too much trouble for jeff to fix.

/endrant

It's kind of annoying at times how picky this thing is. I forget that my car is 2004 but thinks it's a 2005 cali model... so when I emailed my crap it had the wrong year. But I dont feel as bad because jeff missed that it said it was cali so I got a 2004 file when it should be 2005 cali.

Oh well, not exactly in a hurry or anything... just hope it's not too much trouble for jeff to fix.

/endrant

Start over with me.

I don't have any practical way of tracking stuff, so I need my hand held if you need corrections. I delete the old data after I send out the new calibration.

I just edited your info in my database to reflect that your car is an '05.

jeff i got a small ? i got the greddy turbo with the int x and from 1st thru 4th gear it pulls perfect all the way to redline but when i get to 5th gear going like 100 mph it starts jerkin so i let go as soon it starts doing that..... it was tuned by scott and i got the fuel pump upgraded from him and injectors too, runnin wit no cat, and i have his upgraded cai too. and i just changed the spark plugs too... any idea wat could be wrong???
you should start a new thread, as this is for accessport calibrations

Start over with me.

I don't have any practical way of tracking stuff, so I need my hand held if you need corrections. I delete the old data after I send out the new calibration.

I just edited your info in my database to reflect that your car is an '05.

thanks, I just resent the info and should be correct this time.

Hey jeff did you get my email with the serial number?

yes. I sent you a confirmation. Look for stuff like that through e-mail rather than clogging up this thread.

Too many things going on at once over here.

Damn! Another photo shoot I missed! :rant:

^^^^
hmmm kinda strange you want a photoshoot with Jeff doing lots of different things?

stalker?

haha j/k

^^^^
hmmm kinda strange you want a photoshoot with Jeff doing lots of different things?

stalker?

haha j/k

Jeff's to short and hairy for me. :)
How do you think he gets all those photos of the hot avatars he uses ? :naughty:

yeah his avatar pics are just priceless :D

WTF?!? did MM code some kind of microwave delivered mind control in the latest rounds of calibrations??? No one has posted here in TWO days.... thats GOTTA be a record for the AP threads.

lol, I'm waiting for the corrected tune. I might make a little comment when I get it, but other than that, I cant think of a whole lot to say till I'm ready to send off my logs for the "performance" map.

Off topic comment... my dad wants me to get my car inspected while I'm home but he doesnt know I took my cat off. That should be interesting.

I think people might have read the first post!


(In which I mention that I don't send out calibrations on weekends.)

I think people might have read the first post!


(In which I mention that I don't send out calibrations on weekends.)

not a chance and you know it:lol:

Or could it be it's because this is the weekend before Christmas?

MM is at a Christmas Party this evening and will not be available to do any new mapping.

MM is at a Christmas Party this evening and will not be available to do any new mapping.

Oh come on!! I need another .1 AFR change @ 8000 RPM's around 94-96% engine load. If I don't get it soon I'll cry! :crying:

His new avatar doesn't suggest such parties though!

Jeff, PMed you again. :lol2:

I think people might have read the first post!


(In which I mention that I don't send out calibrations on weekends.)



Well, I read the first page :(

You will receive a confirmation within 24 hours of your submission.
Provided you have followed the directions correctly, you will receive an adjusted calibration within 48 hours (business days, Monday through Friday) after receiving your confirmation e-mail.


No confirmation, no calibration :tear:

yeah i think he is a bit slow these days but we gotta give him a break since there are a lot of christmas parties and stuff this week

No confirmation, no calibration :tear:

Then something went wrong.
The confirmation is automated.
So, either your e-mail didn't make it or you sent it to the wrong place.
PM me your name and e-mail address.

yeah i think he is a bit slow these days but we gotta give him a break since there are a lot of christmas parties and stuff this week

A bit. In your case I was still waiting for you to resend your files as I requested in the last e-mail (so you could get the right calibration).

Hey jeff I have 5 months left on your custom calibration service and have yet to "officially" us it. Will you able to simply transfer service over to user winning8? TIA

Regards
Derek

I have a quick question,

I sent my logs in last Thursday, and I got my confirmation early on Friday...should I expect them tonight or after christmas? I'm getting antsy lol.

I have a quick question,

I sent my logs in last Thursday, and I got my confirmation early on Friday...should I expect them tonight or after christmas? I'm getting antsy lol.

The remainder of what is in my queue is going out tonight, so if you haven't heard from me by midnight, mountain time, send me another e-mail with your 11 Deadly Questions.

Hey jeff I have 5 months left on your custom calibration service and have yet to "officially" us it. Will you able to simply transfer service over to user winning8? TIA


Yes.

He will need to read the first post and answer the questions as well as provide your information.

The remainder of what is in my queue is going out tonight, so if you haven't heard from me by midnight, mountain time, send me another e-mail with your 11 Deadly Questions.

Is that for the initial followup to the base calibration? Or the queue for everyone? :)

Could be a nice Christmas present! :P

Everybody. You are on your "follow-up".

What I have on deck right now:

alz0rz
Sebtownrx8
Mr.&Mrs.magic
Sonoma8
L337fpc
8 Maniac
Adrock3217
Jasonawojo
neXib
Icemark
elf
alienrx8
DARTHRX8

Some of the people on that list have been having assorted software problems.
If you are still having difficulty operating the AP Manager or something similar after receiving your "follow-up" set, let me know.
There was at least on user that had some weird conflict with their drivers and the calibration versions.

After tonight, there will be a work slow-down until the 5th of January and things might be slow through the remainder of that month because of my racing and dyno schedule.
Wait times will probably stretch to 4 or 5 days.

Remember - I do NOT work calibrations on weekends, so if you send something on a Thursday, you probably won't see it until Tuesday, anyway.

Ay, yes I had a problem with the follow up you sent me last week but interestingly did NOT have a problem with the initial BASE calibration.

Turns out I had to upgrade the software. Nothing more.

Yeah, EVERYBODY needs to upgrade to the newest AP Manager and firmware.
Links are in the first post and are the first instruction on the calibration e-mail that everyone was sent.

Thanks Jeff will let him know!

Jeff,

I found some info on the RKE P0039 code:
Link here http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=2721842&postcount=31 and here http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=161664&highlight=P0039
As you know I'm no longer running the EMU and have a "04 Auto
I'm thinking its a phantom code. So is there a way to mask it or GTFO?

When can we get together so I can play with your car?

When can we get together so I can play with your car?

That's make me just giggle! :lol2:
What are you doing tomorrow after 12 noon?

What are you doing tomorrow after 12 noon?

Just the usual - strapped to my computer.
Hit me up with a text when you are heading out.

By the way Jeff I hate USPS...

Still havent recieved the injectors. Damn snowstorms and slow ass mail.

Jeeze.
They are really slow - especially this time of year.
I went to mail some International packages today. After a little over an hour in line, I had only moved about 8 feet and still had dozens of people in front of me, so I gave up.

11,000 th post ^^^ YEA
(yes, I have nothing better to do atm)

I wish the effing snow would stop over here so I can do my datalogs for my second calibration :banghead:

11,000 th post ^^^ YEA
(yes, I have nothing better to do atm)

And that is AFTER the Esmiril thread got deleted, taking about 2 dozen posts with it.
I keep deleting stuff, but it piles up faster than I can get rid of it.

hey Jeff... how recent is the avatar picture? something looks different from when I saw you back in the Fall... and no, I don't mean the dog :)

My hair grows at a rate of about 1" every 3 weeks, so I go from shiny to Sasquatch on a regular basis.
I don't know when I took that pic, but it was probably back in Spring.

Such speedy service!!!!

Such speedy service!!!!

For the AP of my facial hair?

Your logs are excellent. Spot on - stoich in cruise and only 2% trim at idle.

So I sit here like a child on the eve of Christmas Eve waiting for a MazdaManiac calibration. :)

PS: I also realized how much I suck at wrapping christmas presents.

:tear: :tear:

I didn't see my name on the list so I re-sent. No big rush since I will see you on the 17th anyhow tho :)

So I sit here like a child on the eve of Christmas Eve waiting for a MazdaManiac calibration. :)

Me too alz0rz...

So I sit here like a child on the eve of Christmas Eve waiting for a MazdaManiac calibration. :)


So true!

Jeff, I sent you a PM. I want to make sure this is the right calibration.

Yeah. Its my bday today too so I expect a present in the comming days Jeff!!

:D

So Jeff, these last set of calibrations you sent out are they still comparable to stock? or are they the "performance" calibrations?

So Jeff, these last set of calibrations you sent out are they still comparable to stock? or are they the "performance" calibrations?

What does it say at the bottom of the e-mail? :spank:

What does it say at the bottom of the e-mail? :spank:

Oh dur. Every time I load a new map you send me, the butt dyno says the car feels quicker already! I can only hope for the best when I do get a "performance" calibration. ;)

Happy holidays!

Oh dur. Every time I load a new map you send me, the butt dyno says the car feels quicker already! I can only hope for the best when I do get a "performance" calibration. ;)

Happy holidays!

It probably is getting some power benefit since most of the calibrations I've done so far just to "dial in" have resulted in a significant correction to the target lambdas.
This next set of instructions that you have received with v4.0.2 has you do some WOT logging, so we'll see where your car sits now.

It probably is getting some power benefit since most of the calibrations I've done so far just to "dial in" have resulted in a significant correction to the target lambdas.
This next set of instructions that you have received with v4.0.2 has you do some WOT logging, so we'll see where your car sits now.

Looking forward to it. Did my first drive cycle this morning and the second tonight. I'll do the logging tomorrow morning if I get a chance to and you'll have logs in the evening.

No rush - I'm not doing any more calibrations until next week.

Gotcha.

When we do finish the calibration process I'd like to do a realistic dyno of any gains.

What I'd like to know is how accurate would my readings be if say I did this: Uninstalled the AP, did a pull, then loaded my final AP tune and did another pull.

Would that be sufficient for an accurate representation of a before and after?

Probably. There are still the effects of fuel trim (which we try to negate through this process), but it would affect both pulls.
The more accurate example would be to drive the car stock for a bit, do a pull, install the AP, drive the car and then do another pull.
I know that isn't practical, though.

New calibration, nice.

A question though. Seeing as I have the original cat, at what point should I worry about idle/cruise AFRs values and such, I have been monitoring them but am not sure where the "cat killing" values are.

The plan is to get a supercat or something in spring, not sure if I can go the midpipe route as I don't want the attention, the shiny blue car is enough :P

CAT-killing is kinda hard to predict.
There are two scenarios where the CAT gets baked: lean cruise and lean WOT.
The lean cruise situation is probably the more damaging since it is sustained, but how lean is lean?
I'd say that if your cruise values stay between 13.9 and 14.7 or so you should only experience minimally shortened CAT life.
If your sustained cruise AFRs are touching 15 or staying even higher, let me know and I'll "fatten up" your cruise values on your final tune.
Those without a CAT will want to cruise at 15 or above up to the point where they experience surging.
Different cars react differently to lean cruise values, so feedback is necessary to tune lean cruise.
My car will cruise just fine all the way to nearly 17:1! Another car here in Phoenix was not happy beyond 15:1. I think Flashwing's car started getting finicky around 15.7:1.

Cool. I'll look at the values when I'm logging. I can write if I want the cruise "fattened up" in the additional info section if you read those every time?

my 6 months went by and i never took advantage of the tuning calibrations because i think that all that tuning stuff is beyond me.

:(

i still think so. maybe in time i can teach myself. it would help if the accessport software would install on my computer. i have vista 64 bit. :(

my 6 months went by and i never took advantage of the tuning calibrations because i think that all that tuning stuff is beyond me.

:(

i still think so. maybe in time i can teach myself. it would help if the accessport software would install on my computer. i have vista 64 bit. :(
so what was the point of getting the AP if you didn't have MM make you any calibrations?

Cool. I'll look at the values when I'm logging. I can write if I want the cruise "fattened up" in the additional info section if you read those every time?

Just get the logs. When you send your e-mail, add a note that you want "CAT-safe" values, and I'll try to get them as close as I can.

you want 2nd and 3rd wot not 3rd and 4th. I know you want 2nd and 3rd but just getting this possible question from some else out of the way.


12) Take your RX-8 to a safe section of completely open highway where you can get the vehicle up to redline in 3rd gear without being disturbed.
13) Bring the vehicle up to 3000 RPM in 2nd gear. (1st gear for the 4-speed automatic transmission.)

14) Press the "OK" button again to start the data-log and depress the gas pedal all the way to the floor.

15) When you hear the redline beep, shift to 3rd gear (2nd gear for the 4-speed automatic transmission) and continue to redline again, then release the gas pedal.

16) Press the "OK" button again. You have just created your third data-log of the engine's Wide Open Throttle performance.


Send an e-mail using THIS LINK, attach the three data-log files you have just created (one at idle, one at a steady cruise and one at WOT through (3rd and 4th gears to redline)) and provide the answers to these questions:


One more thing I am currently getting 32 mpg on the freeway with a afr in the upper 14's. I'll shoot video for anyone who doesn't believe me. I have to assume the AP is wrong??? tire size 225/45/18

I think most people calculate mpg based on actual numbers in their car when they refuel :)

so what was the point of getting the AP if you didn't have MM make you any calibrations?

the mm maps? :eyetwitch

the fans kicking on sooner? i think the OMP is modified as well.

but you never got a custom calibration from him....? the maps that came with the AP were base and for use in his calibration process....

did the old base maps change the OMP and fans? if not, talk about a waste for you Kersh.

back to 11.1 at WOT.. eww :(

you want 2nd and 3rd wot not 3rd and 4th. I know you want 2nd and 3rd but just getting this possible question from some else out of the way.

Yes. Typo the second time.
2nd gear and 3rd gear are on two separate fuel maps.
Redline in 4th would be very, very fast. :lol:

One more thing I am currently getting 32 mpg on the freeway with a afr in the upper 14's. I'll shoot video for anyone who doesn't believe me. I have to assume the AP is wrong??? tire size 225/45/18

It is possible to get an instantaneous MPG like that.
Your average won't be as good.
You should get decent mileage once the calibration is complete.

back to 11.1 at WOT.. eww :(

Well, yeah. That is expected. We fix that next once we have the injectors/MAF set up.

With the latest MM tune I have,, I've increased my mileage by 17 miles to a 1/4 tank. Maybe because I'm not shooting N2O into the intake with this tank so far.:Eyecrazy:

The latest I have went up 11 mpg @ 1/4 tank with a good time being in boost.

My last tank was exactly 12.01 mpg. 175 miles to 14.5 gallons. Awesome, eh?

last sample for me:

city only driving - 218.4 miles using 14.136 gallons of gold - 15.45 mpg

Fairly consistent too. I get on the highway and keep her there and the numbers change dramatically, to the tune of:

highway only - 330.2 miles using 14.452 gallons - 22.85 mpg

stock 04 4AT - factory everything still, except my MM AP.

Jeff hard at work tuning on MY AP. Sorry folks. But being local has it's privileges.
Besides who else is going to lay is car on the line for testing? :Eyecrazy:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/Easy_E1/Phils%20Engine%20Rebuild/2008_1226BHRcoils0006.jpg

Ray waiting patiently on some up dates for his.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/Easy_E1/Phils%20Engine%20Rebuild/2008_1226BHRcoils0007.jpg

Here is mine, 09Factors Greddy Turbo 4 Port AT, Jeff and him just got back from doing some tuning. and Charles R. Hill's car,,,

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/Easy_E1/Phils%20Engine%20Rebuild/2008_1226BHRcoils0001.jpg

I'm surprised no one bought him an AspireOne for Christmas! It's much nicer than that little 701 he uses.

Ray needs clear corners and tint :lol2:

I'm surprised no one bought him an AspireOne for Christmas! It's much nicer than that little 701 he uses.

I don't want nice - I want expendable.
The 701 is practically disposable, which is the right device for the environments in which I work.

Thanks for the thought, though!
I'm thinking about stepping up to one of the 900 series with the bigger display and larger SSD.

MM where did you get the usb cable attached to the AP in pic #1. Will it plug into the obd2 thingy

MM where did you get the usb cable attached to the AP in pic #1. Will it plug into the obd2 thingy

Its just a regular USB-A to USB-mini cable.
It probably came with a camera or something.
You can get it at Best Buy or Fry's Electronics or something similar.
Radio Shack probably has it, too.

It can be used just like the cable that came with the AP.

Ay.. I'm using the exact same cord Jeff is using. I got mine from a Sony camcorder.

Since my OBD2 port SUCKS.. I have to use a bungee rope thingy to hold up the obd2 dongle securely to the obd2 port, I had my AP OBD2 dongle plugged into the bungee for a few hours and it literally bent the original usb mini connector on the dongle.. so that cable is worthless now.

Just use tape or Velcro.

Sorry I couldn't hang around longer X-mas Eve.
Being local does have it's perks. :eyetwitch

Sent in my stuff, now waiting on the calibration. I'm not in any rush, since I know the holidays are busy for everyone, including me.

Jeff, you do realize you're gonna be swamped with orders in the very near future...I know where my income tax refund is going!

Jeff, you do realize you're gonna be swamped with orders in the very near future...I know where my income tax refund is going!

Bring it!
Now that I have this system worked out, I can get through a dozen or more calibrations in a day.

Just did my first drive cycle on the base map. With the temps around 40F out I should be able to get my second in this afternoon. :P

Bring it!
Now that I have this system worked out, I can get through a dozen or more calibrations in a day.

That's got be a good feeling to have a handle on the demand and not feel so underwater. Nice work.

Jeff hard at work tuning on MY AP. Sorry folks. But being local has it's privileges.
Besides who else is going to lay is car on the line for testing? :Eyecrazy:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/Easy_E1/Phils%20Engine%20Rebuild/2008_1226BHRcoils0006.jpg

Ray waiting patiently on some up dates for his.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/Easy_E1/Phils%20Engine%20Rebuild/2008_1226BHRcoils0007.jpg




Funny thing...

Ray is from Michigan and wears a hat because its too cold and Jeff doesn't.

I suppose that bald head doesn't help.

Funny thing...

Ray is from Michigan and wears a hat because its too cold and Jeff doesn't.

I suppose that bald head doesn't help.

I'm getting there, but it was cold as f*ck that day.
The three of us were sitting around outside on the patio, freezing our n*ts off, refusing to accept that it is, in fact, Winter.
Back in the 60's today, though.

Good thing its never actually winter here :D

Good thing its never actually winter here :D

Well, yeah.
Really the same here.
What we call "Winter" is really just a cool Autumn day.

It's been pretty warm around here lately, too. Nice to not have to wear multiple shirts and a heavy coat to be comfortable during the 20 minute drive to work...

It was 65f yesterday.

It will be 30f tomorrow.

Awesome.

It was 65f yesterday.

It will be 30f tomorrow.

Awesome.

Its been doing that every day here for a few.
60°F during the day and ~36°F at night.
This week, we will probably have a few where its 70°F during the day and 28°F at night.
Great for my trees and grass. :banghead:

you live in Phoenix and have grass? hahahaha

you live in Phoenix and have grass? hahahaha

Just a patch in the back yard. 15'x6'.

It belongs to Chewie! Watch your step. :Eyecrazy:

Well, yeah.
Really the same here.
What we call "Winter" is really just a cool Autumn day.

Yeah what I call winter here is like a summer day actually just a bit cooler haha. Lowest I have seen where I live (mind it im inear the coast) is about 75F

oh yea...winter here means -45C but right now it's only -21C or -30C with windchill =p

oh yea...winter here means -45C but right now it's only -21C or -30C with windchill =p

I don't get why people subject themselves to those conditions intentionally.

2nd set of datalogs sent to you today Jeff....finally got a dry day.

The Arizona weather must be nice, probably too warm for me in the summer though, I'd like a constant 20-25C. But cold weather is no stress for me logging-wise, winter tires on 18" Enkeis, doesn't feel any slower than stock and is very decent on the dry too :)

The Arizona weather must be nice, probably too warm for me in the summer though, I'd like a constant 20-25C.

You get used to 40°C.
Its the couple of weeks of 45°C that make you work for the 6 months or so of
20°C.

I has a ?....


Is it just me or does the base map guzzle Oil? I've had to put another quart in once a week... I mean I do drive my car rather hard...but the most I had to do it was once a month. I know the OMP's output is increased...but is it supposed to be this much?

not really sure, havent driven enough to have to check it. Ill take a look at it today and monitor it

Thx. I normally drive about ~400mi a week. And on the weekends and at night, i push the car hard on the highways.

With light driving, you will use about 1/8 quart every 200 miles.
If you get on it, you should be using about 1/2 quart or a bit more in those 400 miles you drive a week. Maybe a bit more.

Alright, whew. I was starting to worry that i broke something.

Oh and where am I within the queue of maps to do?

geez, I was 3 pages behind on this thread. (max posts per page)
off to fix car and do drive cycles. (again)

I cant wait to get a map taht I can actually WOT in. Still havent tried out that pretty hairdryer I installed although only at 7 psi with OEM inyectors :(

Sent the three logs to you Jeff, sorry for confusion earlier.