I would love to know if there are specific parts, I will be making these modifications to my RX-8 when I put in my new Racing Beat Lightweight Rotors and I'd like to kick in the pants that feel of powerlessness I feel jumping from the Foxbody to the RX-8.

It'd be greatly appreciated.

http://mazdamaniac.com/upgrade/MazdaManiac%20GReddy%20Upgrade.html

http://mazdamaniac.com/upgrade/MazdaManiac%20GReddy%20Upgrade.html

But isn't there a Greddy turbo that does the job, I do not like Garrett, they blow up in the Mustang 3 out of 3 installed, not pleased with them...

greddy doesn't have a turbo. They use a mitsu unit. It's only a step up from turbocharging your car using elephant dung.

But isn't there a Greddy turbo that does the job, I do not like Garrett, they blow up in the Mustang 3 out of 3 installed, not pleased with them...

Lol.
Maybe turbocharging just isn't your "thing".
If you believe a particular turbo can blow up your car, then you might be better off staying away from them (since they can't).

Lol.
Maybe turbocharging just isn't your "thing".
If you believe a particular turbo can blow up your car, then you might be better off staying away from them (since they can't).

+1 :lol2:

But isn't there a Greddy turbo that does the job, I do not like Garrett, they blow up in the Mustang 3 out of 3 installed, not pleased with them...

I think he was saying that the Turbo itself blows up. :uhh:
That would be interesting to see.

Lol.
Maybe turbocharging just isn't your "thing".
If you believe a particular turbo can blow up your car, then you might be better off staying away from them (since they can't).


Have you ever thought that you condescending comments are totally unnecessary?

How about you answer the question.

Not everyone is as knowledgeable as others on the board.

If you were sticking with the "Greddy provided Turbo" the upgrade you are most likely thinking of is the Upgrade to the Housing to flow more air. Still the same turbo.

No, I just hate Garrett, I have destroyed three of their units under that same warranty with my Foxbody, each one walks out of it's bearings during High Output Runs with 100 Oct and booster with NOS, 300 shot as it is, and gunning down 1200hp with an 88 I would think it hold up, but no it never has, and my choice is the lacking Greddy and Turbonetics turbo's. Garrett works for others, but my Foxbody doesn't like em, and I don't think for my goals it'd be hard to get a Greddy turbo upgrade that fits my needs, and looks somewhat like it's supposed to be a bolt on kit, my Foxbody has been using an Anti Surge Y2k Turbonetics 76mm BB and has not blown despite being 300hp off target power on NOS it still pulls the same load and get's it down without "*Screach boom* There goes my new cowl hood, MF'ER G-DAMNIT!" I like Greddy turbo's because they're underrated, no one I'm racing is going to look twice at it, which is what I want no suspicious engine peakers!:)

Have you ever thought that you condescending comments are totally unnecessary?

Nope. Totally necessary.
Anyone that starts a series of loaded questions with an assumption like a particular turbo blows up your motor requires an equally gratuitous reply.

wow,

and light weight rotors are so needed in a fi application!!! money well spent..:Eyecrazy:

beers :beer:

wow,

and light weight rotors are so needed in a fi application!!! money well spent..:Eyecrazy:

beers :beer:

word

My fox blew it's first motor a 302 non stroke just dropped compression build, and it was just a fluke I figured. Secound time it happened the Turbo killed itself before the motor.

ON the third shot I tould the now very friendly Garrett turbo supplier that he'd kiss my ass before I bought or installed another of his shitty turbo's.

Went to Hellion Power Systems, requested the Y2K and 76mm BB stage three kit, has been screaming ever since, though I'm thinking of upgrading to a 429 cube after the RX-8 thumps up a decent number and go with the new big turbo kit Hellion Offers.

wow this thread turned a little too ford (mustang that is) 4 me

wow this thread turned a little too ford (mustang that is) 4 me

If you wanna say that, you should realize Ford owns 20% of Mazda and the RX-8 shares alot of the Style the new Mustang has, look at both from the side you'll see the chassis resemblence pretty easy. Ford and Mazda have been sharing designs for years.

If you wanna say that, you should realize Ford owns 20% of Mazda and the RX-8 shares alot of the Style the new Mustang has, look at both from the side you'll see the chassis resemblence pretty easy. Ford and Mazda have been sharing designs for years.

uhh...

Nov 18, 2008 ... Ford Motor Company said Tuesday it was selling more than half of its stake in Japan's Mazda Motor Corp. in a bid to raise much-needed cash.

13% now.

wow, it really is.

(and it was 33% before btw, not 20%)

pix of "blown up" turbo plz

No, I just hate Garrett, I have destroyed three of their units under that same warranty with my Foxbody, each one walks out of it's bearings during High Output Runs with 100 Oct and booster with NOS, 300 shot as it is, and gunning down 1200hp with an 88 I would think it hold up, but no it never has, and my choice is the lacking Greddy and Turbonetics turbo's. Garrett works for others, but my Foxbody doesn't like em, and I don't think for my goals it'd be hard to get a Greddy turbo upgrade that fits my needs, and looks somewhat like it's supposed to be a bolt on kit, my Foxbody has been using an Anti Surge Y2k Turbonetics 76mm BB and has not blown despite being 300hp off target power on NOS it still pulls the same load and get's it down without "*Screach boom* There goes my new cowl hood, MF'ER G-DAMNIT!" I like Greddy turbo's because they're underrated, no one I'm racing is going to look twice at it, which is what I want no suspicious engine peakers!

You gave no description of what turbo you had and how you were cooling and lubricating the bearings. How do we know you maintained your turbo the way it was supposed to be maintained? Did you have a 360 degree thrust bearing? Garrett turbos are pretty much the best in the world and are used in a ton of OEM high boost applications, especially the large frame turbos which are used on large diesel engines pushing 30+ psi.

And greddy turbos being underrated? Ever heard of the T88/34D ? Greddy/Mitsu makes a bunch of large turbos. You need to read up on them more.

Compaired to some of the turbo's on the market they're underrated.

I don't have pics because it was annoying enough to deal with! The Hellion Heat system is far more effective.

"I like Greddy turbo's because they're underrated........"

Now right there, that's funny - I don't care who you are!

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If you wanna say that, you should realize Ford owns 20% of Mazda and the RX-8 shares alot of the Style the new Mustang has, look at both from the side you'll see the chassis resemblence pretty easy. Ford and Mazda have been sharing designs for years.

A rotory and a ford small block are 2 completly different animals, you can not just apply what you know about ford small blocks to your rx8. You need to listen to what people are telling you otherwise you are going to blow your rotory. Pick a goal for your car, do your research, come back with your opinion and get the opinion of others that have a lot more rotory experiance and then start your build.

You said you are putting in lightweight rotors? I have not heard of anyone else using them and if they do I doughtdont think they use them in F/I applications. See thread http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=104255 for some info about remanufactored engines and contact mazmart for any additional info.

A rotory and a ford small block are 2 completly different animals, you can not just apply what you know about ford small blocks to your rx8. You need to listen to what people are telling you otherwise you are going to blow your rotory. Pick a goal for your car, do your research, come back with your opinion and get the opinion of others that have a lot more rotory experiance and then start your build.

You said you are putting in lightweight rotors? I have not heard of anyone else using them and if they do I doughtdont think they use them in F/I applications. See thread http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=104255 for some info about remanufactored engines and contact mazmart for any additional info.

Racing Beat uses them that's enough for me, I've seen several Racing Beat RX-7's race my Fox and contend, if the brand holds any quality it's a given buy.

I had pics of the Turbo as it has blown up, needed them for warranty, however I deleted them in a rage after the last email I got from that provider tould me I was doing something wrong after I had specificly tuned the car both myself and then by a shop who double checked it, and both times nothing was wrong, and I've built three FD's before. If anything the Accel benefit of lighter powertrain parts are essential. My Fox would never make it beyound the 9's without lightweight pistons, it'd be struggling to lumber the heavy slugs to rpm!

I have just proved I can use my exp from SBF to Rotary, wow not hard... Obviously I'm not going to "trade parts" that'd just be a dumbass thing to do.

hehe, this is going to be an entertaining thread

You're putting down 1200hp in the mustang?

Almost anything is going to feel down on power compared to that.

When you are setting up the RX8 just keep in mind that there currently is nothing on the market to lower the compression. You will have to work within the limits of the OE parts. And that the compression is now a full point higher than it was in the FD, so you can't run as much boost on pump gas.

Good luck.

Racing Beat uses them that's enough for me, I've seen several Racing Beat RX-7's race my Fox and contend, if the brand holds any quality it's a given buy.

I had pics of the Turbo as it has blown up, needed them for warranty, however I deleted them in a rage after the last email I got from that provider tould me I was doing something wrong after I had specificly tuned the car both myself and then by a shop who double checked it, and both times nothing was wrong, and I've built three FD's before. If anything the Accel benefit of lighter powertrain parts are essential. My Fox would never make it beyound the 9's without lightweight pistons, it'd be struggling to lumber the heavy slugs to rpm!

I have just proved I can use my exp from SBF to Rotary, wow not hard... Obviously I'm not going to "trade parts" that'd just be a dumbass thing to do.

So who is installing the rotors? Are you having anything else done to the motor while you are in there? I am sure that the racing beat rotors are a quality part, I am just not sure it is the best money spent but if you already have them then go for it.

Turbos don't blow up motors, tuning does. S0rry.

Okay wise ass, there is no reason a 11 to 1 air fuel ratio should have problems with my engine, at 8:1 compression, and absolutely no reason 25 psi should do damage to the motor but it did.

I don't know why, I had checked fuel pressure at first but it wasn't an issue, there are no stuck valves, no defective parts but the Turbo.

Maybe I just got shanked with my supplier, but I don't care anymore, the Diesel's use em fine, I'm Turbonetics and Greddy, Mitsubishi isn't bad either.

And yes the Turbo blew it up, it's not the internals I lost the engine with, it's the cylinder head, hood, valve cover, alot of the passenger side engine and front was destroyed, un-recoverable as it chipped the block in several key locations and tore the vaccuum lines and a fair portion of the intake mani up too.

You do realize that Turbonetics uses Garrett turbos, right?

That's not my point, Turbonetics and Greddy themselves are not the issue, the supplyer from Garrett itself is the issue.

Wow we are way off topic now...

Does anybody know if the 88 Greddy Turbo will bolt up to the RX-8 or will I have to fab out a new manifold? I would like to think so, but I'm more a Centrifugal Supercharger expert than a turbo one.

Say what you want, I don't have the pics and I hate garrett, that's just my choice, doesn't mean you need to sway my post away from target.

You wanna talk about the Fox well we can talk all you want in private message, I will end that the Hellion Kit has bit the dust recently as well, though that was more my amusement than anything, and I'm installing the new Procharger F-1R kit next December (09) when I finish my two runner projects.

Now back to topic.

Fluid pointed out that the Greddy kit is complete, with a 'Greddy' turbo, two pieces of exhaust manifold, and all the cold side plumbing and control bits......

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Okay but will that bolt to the larger 88 mm? I would imagine if I cranked the Octane up, ported, and possibly added some other helpers I could see a larger turbo used, maybe not an 88, but larger than provided.

If you need more power than a GT3071R can produce than the rx8 was the wrong choice for you.

true

Okay but will that bolt to the larger 88 mm?

No.

There is very little room down there for anything.
The medium frame Garrett barely makes it and the 3071 is the highest output turbo available in that size from anyone.
And it doesn't "bolt up" - it requires modification.
Hence the need for the BHR/MM kit.

pix of "you driving mustang with budweiser in the cupholder, jean shorts, and 5.0 t-shirt" plz


fixed :lol:

Okay wise ass, there is no reason a 11 to 1 air fuel ratio should have problems with my engine, at 8:1 compression, and absolutely no reason 25 psi should do damage to the motor but it did.


that statement is not complete enough to be considered true or false. if you were way out of the efficiency range of the turbo @ 25psi, and creating ridiculous charge temps, then that AFR at that compression still = boom.

i'm not saying that was the case, just saying you seem to be overlooking a lot of things in your opinions, including physics.

i find it funny that raven thinks the same rules apply with turbo'd mustangs and a turbo'd Renesis.

you sir are a boob.
kthxbye.

Turbo's are fundemental products, and despite being a Rotary the Renesis still operates as an engine and has many characteristics like a V-8.

With a Air to Air intercooler blasted by chilled CO2 I doubt it was charge temp, like I said the turbo blew up not the motor.

TO BE CLEAR IT FRAGED AND TOOK THE UNDERHOOD WITH IT

I do not know how that could happen with Royal Purple synthetic that was running a temp no higher than 150 when it blew, I have gauges and a ECU system that recalls all that for me and nothing was even remotely close to redline, the TURBO was defective, twice, I didn't even make two runs with either Turbo, and the 76mm Y2k BB has held strong despite being a mismatched Turbo, even though I fragged that out recently I blame myself for racing it on pump gas.

This time it was intentional enough I saved my motor, and will just be going to a Centrifugal Blower that runs a hell of alot colder...

It's already been said, Turbonetics turbos are just modified Garrett framed turbos. They used the same cRaPPy parts.

But it is my firm belief the single ceramic ball bearing turbo (Turbonetics) is superiour to the dual ball bearing turbo used by Garrett.

Look I know you have great experiences with the Turbo, but I have not okay, talk about it all you want, I'm probably just one unlucky sob with those Turbo's, but I'm telling you it happened and I'm not happy with the product anymore.

Talk about it all you want, the Turbo blew up twice, not the motor, not defective parts causing the Turbo to fail like the intercooler and things where fine, it was the Turbo unit itself which detonated twice.

Maybe rather than using the same exact setup Turbonetics has something that works better with what I do, non of the Garrett user's I race now can keep up with me at 8.08 secs in full trim, audio, and occaisionally joyrider loaded up.