Well, I've gone through the first few tanks since the ignition swap. The biggest story thus far is mileage. I've had a couple of "city only" tanks, that have had close to zero highway miles on them. I'm averaging 18.3 city now. I was honestly getting below 15 before, averaging around 14.3 on city-only tanks. Keep in mind, these are tanks that have absolutely NO highway miles, thus the lower numbers. I've only had 1 tank since the swap that was primarily highway (6th gear, cruise on 84 mph, with a few bursts here and there), probably about a 90/10 split. That came out 26.1 mpg.

So, mileage comparison:

Before: 14.3/21.2
After: 18.3/26.1

Pretty decent improvement there, if you ask me. No other changes were made, nor were driving habits altered in any way. I'm pretty diligent about documenting mileage, so the "before" numbers are measured from when I know I had 4 good coils. Or at least, 4 functioning coils. There's also a small power increase (verified on dyno, and an improvement in top end smoothness (from 7-7500+ in my car prior, it kind of felt like it was running out of breath. Not the case now). It was also nice that I filled up yesterday for under $30.

So better economy, more power, hopefully more durability, and an easy install rates this as an A in my mod list. Even for us NA folks, there is enough of an improvement where I would recommend. Naturally, everyone's mileage and power results may vary.

holy smokes, those are awesome mpg figures. I need to stop redlining so much from stop light to stop light. :(
dyno figurs you say???

I was waiting for a thread from people who have this kit! This is very good news. I would like to see some results of how well it runs with people who also have a MM AP. Sucks for me because I think I am # 4,548,291 on the list for the kit. Keep us posted.

holy smokes, those are awesome mpg figures. I need to stop redlining so much from stop light to stop light. :(
dyno figurs you say???

Since I haven't scanned the dyno sheet, and now can't locate since the wife cleaned house, I didn't want to post numbers. I'll call the shop and see if he can email me a new one. Curve is identical to my last curve (run when testing the AP last March). Just peaks slightly higher now. I'm pretty pleased, though. AP +Ignition has added 18hp and about 5 lb-ft to the car. Ignition accounts for 8 hp and less than 1 ft-lb peak overall. Unfortunately, I can only speak to peak numbers, without having the charts to overlay. Ignition and AP are the only engine mods made to the car. Stock airbox/cat/exhaust/etc. I plan on playing around with a few things over winter, and making another run on the dyno come springtime. So far, my car has seen the dyno 3 times and has gone from a stock baseline of 171, to 181 with the AP, and 189 with Ap+Ignition. Different ambient conditions when the last dyno was run, probably about 20 degrees warmer, but all other conditions (baro, humidity) roughly the same.

I'm not guaranteeing anyone will see the same results at all. These are just the numbers for my own car. I'm most impressed with the increased economy.

Quick edit: My AP is running the stock Cobb Stage 1 map, I don't have any MM maps as I received my unit from Cobb.

I have the mazsport kit because it came out first and I to had soem improvement in MPG. I would prefer the BHR kit because it is more straight forward, the mazsprt requires some slight modification. I think both should preform almost identical, stronger spark equals more power and MPG.

Now as far as the results shown by the OP, I find those hard to believe. He is showing an almost 30% increase in MPG for intown driving and 20% for highway. If those are legit then he had some weak coils and or fauled plugs. Not to mention the first set of numbers for the intown driving seem a little lower then stock and the post coil swap numbers seem a little high.

I think the coil upgrade is a great modification but I would not expect anyone to see anywhere close to a 20% increase in MPG. 5% tops.

I have the mazsport kit because it came out first and I to had soem improvement in MPG. I would prefer the BHR kit because it is more straight forward, the mazsprt requires some slight modification. I think both should preform almost identical, stronger spark equals more power and MPG.

Now as far as the results shown by the OP, I find those hard to believe. He is showing an almost 30% increase in MPG for intown driving and 20% for highway. If those are legit then he had some weak coils and or fauled plugs. Not to mention the first set of numbers for the intown driving seem a little lower then stock and the post coil swap numbers seem a little high.

I think the coil upgrade is a great modification but I would not expect anyone to see anywhere close to a 20% increase in MPG. 5% tops.

I can post Excel spreadsheets if you like, but anyone can claim they're fudged. I can only document what I have personally seen. Whether or not it's believed, I don't care. Just wanted to share what I have seen with my car. Prior to the coil upgrade, I had seen anywhere from 12.9 (yuck) to 15.5. The cumulative average in the year I've owned the car has come to 14.3 for city mileage. Who knows, maybe I've received bad gas. When in town (which is 95% of the time) I've always filled at the same station. The highway mileage, I've only taken 3 road trips in the car, each required at least two tanks of gas. The 21.2 figure comes from a round trip to KC from Denver, which was prior to the coils. So that was the average over 6 tanks (may have been 7). The 26.1 is over a trip that required 4 tanks of gas. The 18.3 is figured over 2 tanks of city driving.

So, I'll report back a year from now (since that's the historical baseline data I have) and see if I still have roughly the same results. Honestly, I have no reason to mislead anyone. My previous coils and plugs were replaced under warranty at 23,778 miles. I currently just hit 40,450, and have had the new coils on for 1692 miles. So my oil coils/plugs had 14,980 miles on them. When I swapped the plugs, they didn't look bad, but figured I may as well swap them while I was messing around with the ignition. Could the coils have been weak? Sure. I still have them, so I can test them and see.

Edit: That's why I don't like posting results/impressions on this forum as they're immediately doubted. Note that I DID say these were only the results for MY personal car, and that results may vary.

^^^ Nice man , good to know you got such an improvement. Hopefully i will see a dramatic change in mpg , but mainly want the ignition upgrade once i go turbo. But meanwhile my car is N/A , the better fuel economy is never a bad thing :).

sounds great

It seems the opposite for me. My gas mileage went down. Before I was averaging between 185-200 on a gas tank, from a full tank until the fuel light came on. Now I average less then 170. At first I thought I had a heavier foot since it seemed there was a little more oopmh at higher rpms, but that feeling quickly went away and gas mileage remained the same. I went through several gas tanks since swapping the coils and same results. I still have my old coils so I'll probably switch for a little just to see if there really is a difference or if something else is contributing to the poor fuel economy, however I dont have my old plug wires anymore. Anyone want to send me a set when you switch to bhr coils?

clear the ecu, it'll make the car relearn the fuel trims.

So, I'll report back a year from now (since that's the historical baseline data I have) and see if I still have roughly the same results. Honestly, I have no reason to mislead anyone. My previous coils and plugs were replaced under warranty at 23,778 miles. I currently just hit 40,450, and have had the new coils on for 1692 miles. So my oil coils/plugs had 14,980 miles on them. When I swapped the plugs, they didn't look bad, but figured I may as well swap them while I was messing around with the ignition. Could the coils have been weak? Sure. I still have them, so I can test them and see.

What plugs are you using and did you change brands when swapped out?

Macius doesn't have the complete BHR kit?

can't comment either way with mine... after the install my high flow cat officially shit the bed and then the weather got really cold so my gas mileage is going down like normal with the longer time to warm up

-shrug-

no pics?

i have seen it in person on huzer's car. it looks awesome

Thanks Huzer21 for that nice write up. If there is anything BHR can do for you please don't hesitate to ask.

We're here for our customers.:eyetwitch

Macius doesn't have the complete BHR kit?

I do have the complete kit. I replaced the pugs as well from ngk

that's odd..could be something else

to the original poster (Huzer21), thank you for sharing your experiences and data. i'll be looking for more of these threads about the BHR ignition because whenever i fix my car and can expect the stock coils to crap out again, that's what i plan to replace it with.

i'll be most interested in seeing what time shows about the BHR parts when compared to the stock fare.

I have the mazsport coils and i am curious about these... I get around 16 MPG in city but i dont drive conservative.. i drive like i stole my car....

my highway mileage the best ive gotten was only 24.9 MPG which is decent compared to when i was stock 21.2 MPG.. i have to get my data logs to jeff.. i let jon at ptp look at the 4th gear cruise speed of the log i did and he said the car is running rich and that there was no need to. soo im hoping once jeff hooks me up with a newer map i can achieve slightly better highway gas mileage.

how do these differ than the mazsport ones? i mean i have nothing but great things to say about mazsport coild except the long wait.

Id love to see some pictures of these bad boys!!!

Keep up the good work BHR! and that turbo kit.. if you ever get to it.. id like to place a order once the wait has come down hahah here in a two months or so...

for sure.

Well, here is one quick pic...one prior to install. Granted I'm not the best at high quality photos. Haha. I'll be getting back in there tonight, as I received the new and improved plug wires this weekend. I'll snap some updated pics then.

I know Juice has MUCH better pics in the "offerings" thread.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/TifosiF1/coils1.jpg

Those look awfully familiar to me. I've seen them somewhere before.

Let us know how the install goes. And thanks for posting a pic.

sweet pic. thx for sharing.

ah I want this! and some new plugs too...

Those look awfully familiar to me. I've seen them somewhere before.

Let us know how the install goes. And thanks for posting a pic.

Install is said and done (back in October). Tonight will just be swapping the plug wires out with the new. I'll snap a cleaned up shot tonight. Here's an "in progress" install pic from October:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/TifosiF1/coils5.jpg

cant wait for mine to show up at the mail room.

You can count me as a +1 for satisified customers with this kit.

Installed mine today, here are my impressions,points whatever:

- install was pretty easy, hardest part was getting to the plugs and fitting the new coils, both Mazda's fault, not BHR's.

- instructions easy to follow

My car was exhibiting some symptoms prior to the install that are now no longer present, it runs much better post upgrade. Prior to today I had problems under acceleration, idle was garbage, from time to time I'd experience sputtering or lack of power etc. I was probably overdue for plugs, but I don't think replacing just the plugs would have fixed a lot of what I was seeing beforehand. When I first fired up the car after installing everything I did have some problems and it actually died on me, so what I did was reset the computer using the trip button/brake pedal method and after doing so it seemed okay, I think the computer got wacked out initially. I might recommend possibly disconnecting the battery before installing everything, and then reconnectiing once you're done but maybe I'm an isolated case. (?) Whatever the case, car is definitely pulling a tad harder and running much smoother and I'd recommend this upgrade to anyone considering it, for what you pay you cannot find a better solution out there in my opinion so kudos to the BHR posse and everyone who developed this as it's awesome. :D:

It has been a long wait.
I think I am one of the 19 kits being sent out.
I might offer the kit to my neigbour as he need it more that me and order another one. As long as I get it before the spring driving events I will be happy.

Great writeups from everyone! It's great to see people are really happy with this kit.

Might those of you whom have taken recent delivery of your BHR Ignition System find the kit worth the wait? Those who just got their kits have been waiting the longest of anybody and Erick and I are trying to nail down a 4-6 week wait as anything less than this requires co-operation from my vendors (which I am not getting right now).

I am receiving 1-3 new orders per day and I am hoping the new entrants to "The List" are as patient as the rest of you have been.

We have 19 more kits heading out this coming week.

I don't remeber how long ago I sent you a PM to add my to the list but it was worth the wait IMO.

I wish I could do a review of these coils myself but since my turbo is leaking oil I wont get the chance.

I will say it was worth the wait for me, my car is the 4 port auto and between replacing the plugs and having stronger coils it has regained the fun factor for me, I'd pondered trading it as it was running like crap but after last night I'm totally stoked on my car again. I purposely put off new plugs and oem wires/coils just so that when I did go to replace everything I would have something better, and after yesterday and last night's drive home I couldn't stop thinking to myself that it was money well spent and definitely worth the wait.
I did notice one more thing yesterday that was annoying, again I don't blame the kit but awkward engineering (thanks Mazda!), the 10mm bolts that mount the kit are ridiculously hard to get too, are other people just using a "wobble" to get at them or? I ended up tightening by hand and then trying to squeeze the smallest bit I could find in there but I swear that probably added about an extra 30-45 minutes to something that could easily be done in about 1-2 hours.

I will say it was worth the wait for me, my car is the 4 port auto and between replacing the plugs and having stronger coils it has regained the fun factor for me, I'd pondered trading it as it was running like crap but after last night I'm totally stoked on my car again. I purposely put off new plugs and oem wires/coils just so that when I did go to replace everything I would have something better, and after yesterday and last night's drive home I couldn't stop thinking to myself that it was money well spent and definitely worth the wait.
I did notice one more thing yesterday that was annoying, again I don't blame the kit but awkward engineering (thanks Mazda!), the 10mm bolts that mount the kit are ridiculously hard to get too, are other people just using a "wobble" to get at them or? I ended up tightening by hand and then trying to squeeze the smallest bit I could find in there but I swear that probably added about an extra 30-45 minutes to something that could easily be done in about 1-2 hours.

It's nice to here this kind of feedback form our friends who have bought the kit. We're trying to get them out as fast as possible. But as the suppliers of the parts don't always come through in a timely fashion, extra time is unavoidable sometimes. Just try and be patient people. :eyetwitch

As for the install I would recommend a 10mm socket on a swivel on a 6 inch extension. 1/4 inch drive works the best.

The wait was a bit long for those of us in the first batch but you have to take under consideration that BHR was at the mercy of the parts suppliers. It wasn't his/their fault. Was the wait worth it for me? HELL YEAH! The customers should be receiving the coils a lot quicker now that they have the parts in hand.:)

My biggest gripe with the Mazsport kit (apart from the latter noise about it) was that it seemingly used some non-standard parts. Is it the same with this kit, if something breaks, am I dependant on BHR to get it fixed? That's a dealbreaker overseas :) I don't think I've got any ignition issues yet, but it would be a nice kit to get if I wanted to have something "ready".

what could break? if a coil dies, just order another yukon coil

I'm pretty sure mine are on the way... at least the check cleared :)

My biggest gripe with the Mazsport kit (apart from the latter noise about it) was that it seemingly used some non-standard parts. Is it the same with this kit, if something breaks, am I dependant on BHR to get it fixed? That's a dealbreaker overseas :) I don't think I've got any ignition issues yet, but it would be a nice kit to get if I wanted to have something "ready".

To be honest neXib, there are lots of RX8 products that are vendor specific and use specialized parts so BHR's kit isn't alone in that respect. The brackets are very durable and have survived harsh testing. We ran this kit in it's development phase during 2 Phoenix track events when it was 105 degrees outside and probably over 140 degrees on the track.

The coils are GM Yukon coils and can be purchased from various sources. The advantage BHR gives you is we have been able to obtain them at a great price and pass that savings onto you.

Bottom line is the kit comes with a lifetime warranty through BHR and utilizes all stock connectors. If you are seriously worried about replacements I'd suggest keeping your OEM coils and plug wires should something happen.

We're more than capable of handling international shipping to get replacement parts to you. In fact, if you do manage to break the kit we'd love it if you could let us know how you did it.

geez... how the hell anyone could complain about a lifetime warranty on coils for an RX8 is completely fuggin' beyond me.

Can't wait until I need these.

I wonder if this raises temperatures in the cat?

geez... how the hell anyone could complain about a lifetime warranty on coils for an RX8 is completely fuggin' beyond me.

There's in fact a world outside the part of the map that says America. If I bought the BHR coils and they were to fail (even if it was highly unlikely), I may have wanted to see if I could get a replacement coil before they could ship it to me if I needed the car. Excuse me for asking since it obviously was a huge load to you :P

Flashwing: Yeah that's reasonable, thanks for answering.

neXib we're going to receive some kits soon in italy, if you want any direct info just ask.
Knowing how BHR deals with his customers and how they build their products i feel inclined to say that you don't have to worry. I would actually rely more on their coils than the stock ones, it's one of the few cases where an aftermarket part exceeds oem standards.

neXib we're going to receive some kits soon in italy, if you want any direct info just ask.
Knowing how BHR deals with his customers and how they build their products i feel inclined to say that you don't have to worry. I would actually rely more on their coils than the stock ones, it's one of the few cases where an aftermarket part exceeds oem standards.

Either way, I would encourage anyone who is worried to simply hold onto your OEM parts. However, I have no doubt should a failure occur that we'd be able to get replacement parts to you quickly.

If I have to take the coils out of my own car to send them out I would.

There's in fact a world outside the part of the map that says America. If I bought the BHR coils and they were to fail (even if it was highly unlikely), I may have wanted to see if I could get a replacement coil before they could ship it to me if I needed the car. Excuse me for asking since it obviously was a huge load to you :P

Flashwing: Yeah that's reasonable, thanks for answering.

Forgive me, allow me to reiterate from a global perspective :) :

how in the world anyone could complain about a lifetime warranty on coils for an RX8 is completely fuggin' beyond me.

If I have to take the coils out of my own car to send them out I would.

Same here, and i live much closer :)
It is a pleasure to help a mate in need.

There's in fact a world outside the part of the map that says America. If I bought the BHR coils and they were to fail (even if it was highly unlikely), I may have wanted to see if I could get a replacement coil before they could ship it to me if I needed the car. Excuse me for asking since it obviously was a huge load to you :P

Flashwing: Yeah that's reasonable, thanks for answering.If coil failure is a concern of yours, order an extra one. The price (at least here) should be similar to a OEM Mazda part.

The attitude of some people in here is unbelievable. Is it so unlikely that I wouldn't be able to get a replacement from BHR? What if they took the Mazsport route and disappeared? I was only wondering if I could get a coil from another place in that case and didn't have to junk the entire kit and go back to stock.

I got a very good answer from a couple of people, and have no concerns anymore. Might still order the kit later, no thanks to some peoples attitude here (luckily none involved with BHR). I apologize for stupid questions, but that's the only way to learn, and I want to learn everything about everything I care about :)

The attitude of some people in here is unbelievable. Is it so unlikely that I wouldn't be able to get a replacement from BHR? What if they took the Mazsport route and disappeared? I was only wondering if I could get a coil from another place in that case and didn't have to junk the entire kit and go back to stock.

I got a very good answer from a couple of people, and have no concerns anymore. Might still order the kit later, no thanks to some peoples attitude here (luckily none involved with BHR). I apologize for stupid questions, but that's the only way to learn, and I want to learn everything about everything I care about :)

That is a possibility with ANY company.
But here at BHR we're in it for the long haul. And the rest of the crew feel the same way.
If a coil should fail we will take care of it. As far as going to the GMC dealer you could do that in a pinch. Or you could just keep a set of stock coils around just in case.
I personally have been using these coils for about 8000 miles now. With numerous track days and of course daily driving.
The reason this particular coil was picked was due to the durability and longevity factors surrounding it. It's a tough coil.

I don't want anybody to have doubts about quality, durability workmanship and customer support.

LOL. Great. I'm sure the money will come as long as the support is good ;)

These are beyond superior to oem, the stock ignition system in this car is a joke if you ask me, at least it has been with my particular car. If you live overseas and experience some bizarre problem with them but can afford to wait a small amount of time or do not have access to GMC parts etc. I wouldn't hesistate to get these. If you're the type who needs their car running 24/7 like me, you're probably safer keeping with the oem as far as ease of parts availability, but then you're more subject to oem parts failures. I've been plagued with ignition problems on this car since about 2 years ago, stealership replaced the whole system at least 3 times under warranty to no avail, replaced the engine during that time, still had the same issues. I've even had the tranny replaced to try and cure my poor car's drivability issues and while that helped, there was still a weak link somewhere. This past weekend I put this system in and I don't have problems anymore, car feels like it is finally getting what it needs for spark and ignition and it drives like it's supposed too, so keep that in mind as well, it might be worth the extra little hassle just to have a superior part on your car. (or might not, just throwin' that out there, hope it helps)

Have you caught wind of Easy's depiction of how I treat him?

Something tells me I'm better off not knowing :lol2:

On a more serious note, reading on the forums I've seen enough to see that BHR can be trusted, I wasn't trying to step on any toes. As for the kit failing, if I installed it myself, you never know ;)

I'm not under warranty since my car is an import, so if I do a Spring-2009 service with coil/plug swap it may very well be with a BHR kit. So thanks for the info everyone, including friendly pm.

has anyone yet done a before and after dyno???

neXib,

fuggin is a term of endearment I use as a form of sarcasm. It's nothing personal, nor do I mean for it to be insulting.

I just can't help but be surprised that someone is concerned about the lifetime warranty when the OEM ones burn out if you look at them funny (another attempt at sarcasm / humor).

GM is pretty big, and this may have already been said, but it's a fairly safe assumption that even if BHR went away, we could still order replacements from GM... and if something were to happen to GM there are a TON of vehicles on the road today that would still need parts support... and where there's a market, there's typically someone willing to step up to support it.

Hope this helps. Like I said, I was trying to be funny, but I'm guessing it didn't translate well across the pond.

has anyone yet done a before and after dyno???
I will be doing some extensive testing / logging next month when Ray is in town. Stay tuned for defore / after dyno pulls done on the same day.

Have you caught wind of Easy's depiction of how I treat him?

Something like this,,,
:whipping:

I will be doing some extensive testing / logging next month when Ray is in town. Stay tuned for defore / after dyno pulls done on the same day.

I am REALLY looking foreward to the results!!!!!

yeah i cant wait to see them i only have 5k miles on my 8 but there is always room for improvement

keep in mind guys: the coils aren't being sold as a performance mod but my hunch is that they can in fact help squeek out a few hp. Stay tuned....

I am REALLY looking foreward to the results!!!!!

My results are earlier in this thread...

I will be doing some extensive testing / logging next month when Ray is in town. Stay tuned for defore / after dyno pulls done on the same day.

JEDI - Pm me when this goes down - i'd like to be around during the testing :)

LOL. Great. I'm sure the money will come as long as the support is good ;)

The support from BHR is excellent! Read this for a good example of my experience: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=159476

BHR is a great company with excellent products and incredible service! You should not worry about the product failing, and if for some reason it did, I am confident they would be very active in helping you resolve your situation.

Get the coils, you won't be disappointed!

I found a new quote :D

keep in mind guys: the coils aren't being sold as a performance mod but my hunch is that they can in fact help squeek out a few hp. Stay tuned....

What do you mean these do not give more HP. My MAF pulls in 209 g/sec at 8250 rpm and that translates to about 270 HP on a 4 port AT.
And that's the only mod I have. :yesnod:











Anybody want to buy some beach front property here in Arizona? :wavey:

What do you mean these do not give more HP. My MAF pulls in 209 g/sec at 8250 rpm and that translates to about 270 HP on a 4 port AT.
And that's the only mod I have. :yesnod:




Really? what about the Nitro?

I can get 235 on my MAF w/ Mazsport coils, so that means I'm running 303HP?

Really? what about the Nitro?

I can get 235 on my MAF w/ Mazsport coils, so that means I'm running 303HP?

The calculations are not an exact science.
Mazdamaniac is hitting the 390 g/sec range with his BHR Coils.

Whoo! Got my Coils today! Gonna try and get them in this weekend.

My Initial impressions are that the kid was well packaged and that the plug wires smell funny. If this kit were on a car, and I had never seen the stock coils on an 8, I would think these are OEM. Mounting plate and coil retainers are made out of 8th inch steel plate. Pictures coming later when I can offload them from my camera.

huh? I thought it was steel... *grabs a magnet and waves it over the mounting plate*

Aluminum indeed.

Aluminum, Bro.;)

very nicely done I might add, CF would have been a waste since you can hardly see it anyway :D:

Some high resolution photos for you all. Incredibly clean.
http://isomerica.net/~fluffy/Ren/coil1.jpg
http://isomerica.net/~fluffy/Ren/coil2.jpg
http://isomerica.net/~fluffy/Ren/coil3.jpg

the kit looks great

We originally wanted to make the brackets out of carbon fiber but that would have been pretty ricey.:lol2:

Fixed ;) lol

the kit looks great

That it does!

Charles, your instructions mention removing the accordion tube for the intake, does this includes disconnecting the various vacuum tubes connected to it?

If your removing the accordion tube you should remove the vacuum lines from it.

That kit looks beautiful! BHR may have some of my Christmas cash soon!

Now that some of the italian group buyers installed those beauties i can write a couple of lines.
The kit itself looks great, the installation process is straight-forward everybody is enjoying the increased response and the better gas\mileage at the moment.
The guys that already have fresh oem coils didn't notice better start-ups, and their fuel efficiency increased slightly (when with worn coils of approx 30-50.000km it was very noticeable), throttle response is wonderful compared to both new and old\worn coils.

On a sidenote, not concerning the coils: I had some problems with my Customs since Charles shipped 2 packages to me, one with the coils and a waterpump and another one with his flywheel. They thought i was going to import this stuff illegally and wanted some proof of the purchase. Charles helped me thoroughly sending me all the needed documentation and i received the second box today.
Way to go BHR!

Now that I got my BHR coils installed I wanted to tell you guys what I thought of them.

One thing I noticed right away was my car sounded differently. In a good way!! :)

The next thing I noticed was power delivery was silky smooth and felt like I gained tons of HP. I already know this is not a HP mod but I am thinking if my mazsport coils were not working properly this would make sense why my car felt so slow for a turbo8. I only managed a best time of 14.2 @ 98mph with 1.9 60ft and my boost was set at 9psi.

Overall this is the best mod I have ever done and I am extremely greatful for the BHR team for making such a fantastic product!!!

I didn't know BHR had a water pump.......?

Is it better this way? the waterpump that Charles politely offered to buy for me (with my money :lol: ) in order to ship it with the other stuff i bought from him, saving me dozens of dollars of shipping :banghead:

ah, but did he get a BHR sticker?

Did someone say sticker?

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/Easy_E1/RX-8/120808_1304001.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/Easy_E1/RX-8/120808_0945001.jpg

ah, but did he get a BHR sticker?

i hate you! :banghead:
i got something else though :)

They weren't available at the time.

I want to publicly say "Thank you" to the customer/forum member (he knows who he is) that sent those to me, free of charge, along with some other cool stuff. I will cherish the other stuff and proudly include the stickers in future BHR product purchases. He also spruced-up the logo a bit and it was a really nice improvement, too.

They weren't available at the time.

I want to publicly say "Thank you" to the customer/forum member (he knows who he is) that sent those to me, free of charge, along with some other cool stuff. I will cherish the other stuff and proudly include the stickers in future BHR product purchases. He also spruced-up the logo a bit and it was a really nice improvement, too.

Ooooooo - I'm telling Jared.... you know how sensitive those artsy fartsy guys are....:lol2: :lol2:

Dammit - open foot, insert mouth...

Did someone say sticker?

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/Easy_E1/RX-8/120808_1304001.jpg


wrong location
stickers go just in front of the door along with the HKS , Greddy , APEXI ones

^ LOL

Hey; we need to start a pool for the first person to get a BHR tattoo...:rofl:

If I had a BHR sticker I'd stick it to a JERRV, I'll trade you a slightly used South African 155 for it :lol2:

too cool... if I get one -- an extra one -- with my order I'll forward it on, just say the word!

If I had a BHR sticker I'd stick it to a JERRV, I'll trade you a slightly used South African 155 for it :lol2:

I forgot how big those things were....I had hot cocoa in the back of one driving through Falluja on new years day; war is hell.

Yup, she's my 30 ton life saver. I havn't been popped in this truck yet but there is one at Balad named Bam Bam that saved my ass. She got the scars and I got to live.

Yup, she's my 30 ton life saver. I havn't been popped in this truck yet but there is one at Balad named Bam Bam that saved my ass. She got the scars and I got to live.

I actually saw one of those that got hit in 2006 down there and everyone inside was fine and the vehicle only had front damage to it from the mine that it hit. I'm personally always stuck riding in the humvees and the Armored Mambas.

Ray, I'm sorry for getting this so far off topic :(

I've seen a JERRVs get hit with probably 150lbs of HE under the rear axels. The blast blew off both rear axels and the truck was still able to DRAG itself out of the kill zone with just the front axel. The only injury was a broken arm and that was caused by the radio rack breaking loose from its bolts and hitting one of the guys. It's a hell of a truck.

sorry again ray.

I think that JERRV needs some of these on side :D:

http://www.dubshop.com/assets/images/img_3618(1).jpg

I think the sticker would look a lot better if the black part was clear
so only the BHR and halo are visible.

I think the sticker would look a lot better if the black part was clear
so only the BHR and halo are visible.

Scissors.

Scissors.

And a very patient girlfriend :)

anyone got dyno slips for this product?

it's not a HP mod...

it's not a HP mod...

no gain?

don't know, don't think anyone has done a dyno with it yet. It's more so a reliability mod. There may be some HP increase or better throttle response as a nice "side effect." Also depending on the condition of your current coils, you may or may not notice these "side effects."

I know with my BHR ignition, I noticed more than anything was a very smooth idle.

anyone got dyno slips for this product?don't know, don't think anyone has done a dyno with it yet. ...Check the OP's first two posts in this thread and see Jedi's plans:
I will be doing some extensive testing / logging next month when Ray is in town. Stay tuned for defore / after dyno pulls done on the same day.

I'm collecting mpg stats running with an MM AP tune. I'm up to 3 pre-bhr coil samples. Hope to have at least 5 prior and and 5 post to work from.

And I'm quickly approaching the 20,000 mile mark working off the assumption I'm still running stock plugs and coils (bought my car with 8,000 miles on it).

Check the OP's first two posts in this thread and see Jedi's plans:
I am well aware of jedi's plans already

I know with my BHR ignition, I noticed more than anything was a very smooth idle.

that would be nice. thats one of the main reason's why i want the BHR coils. not to mention, i do blieve my coils are dying a slow and torturous death. :eyetwitch

that would be nice. thats one of the main reason's why i want the BHR coils. not to mention, i do blieve my coils are dying a slow and torturous death. :eyetwitch
these are for you then, and I am sure you will feel a bit more throttle response given your oem coils are on their way out

I've been contempletating about what ignition system to get for my car Mazport or BHR. BHR and all the ban wagon supporters say the Mazsport is not good because mazsport has gone out of business, and for some reason there products stop working. My only concern is GM is not doing so well right now. Where is BHR going to get there coils in the near future if GM goes under if i need my coils replaced? Do you guys use suppliers from china or hongkong? I'm just a concerned consumer because i know BHR uses Yukon coils and Mazsport uses MSD. In my opinion MSD is a more reputable when it comes to ignition products and performance not like the yukon coils. THe yukon coil is designed for a piston motor not a rotary motor. If GM goes under its going to be like trying to get DAEWOO parts and i refuse to buy these coils at autozone etc...

I've been contempletating about what ignition system to get for my car Mazport or BHR. BHR and all the ban wagon supporters say the Mazsport is not good because mazsport has gone out of business, and for some reason there products stop working. My only concern is GM is not doing so well right now. Where is BHR going to get there coils in the near future if GM goes under if i need my coils replaced? Do you guys use suppliers from china or hongkong? I'm just a concerned consumer because i know BHR uses Yukon coils and Mazsport uses MSD. In my opinion MSD is a more reputable when it comes to ignition products and performance not like the yukon coils. THe yukon coil is designed for a piston motor not a rotary motor. If GM goes under its going to be like trying to get DAEWOO parts and i refuse to buy these coils at autozone etc...

good point gary!

See my only concern is buying a product from china that contains led

even if gm goes under, there are way too many cars on the street for someone
" not " to make parts for them. most of the parts made for our cars are out
sourced to other company's. granted they would be hurt also, but the parts
demand will be to high for them not to be made anymore...

I've been contempletating about what ignition system to get for my car Mazport or BHR. BHR and all the ban wagon supporters say the Mazsport is not good because mazsport has gone out of business, and for some reason there products stop working. My only concern is GM is not doing so well right now. Where is BHR going to get there coils in the near future if GM goes under if i need my coils replaced? Do you guys use suppliers from china or hongkong? I'm just a concerned consumer because i know BHR uses Yukon coils and Mazsport uses MSD. In my opinion MSD is a more reputable when it comes to ignition products and performance not like the yukon coils. THe yukon coil is designed for a piston motor not a rotary motor. If GM goes under its going to be like trying to get DAEWOO parts and i refuse to buy these coils at autozone etc...


Were not going to run out of Yukon Coils. The day that happens the world will run out of trees..
The Yukon coils will more than likely outlast your car.
And if they run out of them,, which I very much DOUBT.
Then we'll switch to the LS2 coils,which these are based on.

:banghead:

these are for you then, and I am sure you will feel a bit more throttle response given your oem coils are on their way out

yea, im on the waiting list. although from what charles says, im pretty far down the list. like really far...:lol: :lol2:

even if gm goes under, there are way too many cars on the street for someone
" not " to make parts for them. most of the parts made for our cars are out
sourced to other company's. granted they would be hurt also, but the parts
demand will be to high for them not to be made anymore...

yeah but i see what gary is trying to say he doesnt want pepboys or autozone brands.

this i highly understand. it would be
like buying all your major appliance from radio shack.

Were not going to run out of Yukon Coils. The day that happens the world will run out of trees..
The Yukon coils will more than likely outlast your car.
And if they run out of them,, which I very much DOUBT.
Then we'll switch to the LS2 coils,which these are based on.

:banghead:

Why is there a waiting list for the BHR ignition system if you guys don't have a problem getting Yukon coils?

I've been contempletating about what ignition system to get for my car Mazport or BHR. BHR and all the ban wagon supporters say the Mazsport is not good because mazsport has gone out of business, and for some reason there products stop working. My only concern is GM is not doing so well right now. Where is BHR going to get there coils in the near future if GM goes under if i need my coils replaced? Do you guys use suppliers from china or hongkong? I'm just a concerned consumer because i know BHR uses Yukon coils and Mazsport uses MSD. In my opinion MSD is a more reputable when it comes to ignition products and performance not like the yukon coils. THe yukon coil is designed for a piston motor not a rotary motor. If GM goes under its going to be like trying to get DAEWOO parts and i refuse to buy these coils at autozone etc...

1) Support of this product is not done on a "bandwagon". It is done by people whom have actually read all that I have discussed regarding exactly why I chose to go with the coils we are using.
2) GM may not be "doing well" but they are runing their Yukon/Tahoe plant 24/7. Why might that be? It is certainly what has caused the coils to be so difficult for me to obtain.
3) We use Delphi. If the coils were made in China I might actually have a few thousand in my hands right now.
4) Mazsport did NOT use MSD. They used Bosch.
5) If you think the MSD coils are better than the Yukons I think you might want to look into that a little deeper. If they were I would use them.
6) The Yukons (and especially the previous LS coils) are more than up to the task.
7) It doesn't matter WHERE you get the coils as long as they are a Delphi product.
8) Should the need to switch to a different coil arise I have not yet determined which will be used as a replacement.

Why is there a waiting list for the BHR ignition system if you guys don't have a problem getting Yukon coils?

If my wholesale supplier can no longer get them for the price we have agreed upon I have a few choices before me, one of which would be to simply raise my price. If I did that I would STILL beat Mazsport's old price and the rest of the kit would still be far better than anybody else's offering. Another choice would be to offer the kit without coils and let you source them yourself.

Why is there a waiting list for the BHR ignition system if you guys don't have a problem getting Yukon coils?

It's not that they have run out of them. We could buy them all day long at Higher prices. And start charging more for the Coil Kits. About $200.00 more.
But in order to give the best prices we are stuck with the original vendors. To a point.
We could buy a bunch of them tomorrow for about $50.00 more a piece.
Do you want to pay that much more for the kit?

patience man... they are doing things for good reason, with the end consumer in mind.

I've been contempletating about what ignition system to get for my car Mazport or BHR. BHR and all the ban wagon supporters say the Mazsport is not good because mazsport has gone out of business, and for some reason there products stop working. My only concern is GM is not doing so well right now. Where is BHR going to get there coils in the near future if GM goes under if i need my coils replaced? Do you guys use suppliers from china or hongkong? I'm just a concerned consumer because i know BHR uses Yukon coils and Mazsport uses MSD. In my opinion MSD is a more reputable when it comes to ignition products and performance not like the yukon coils. THe yukon coil is designed for a piston motor not a rotary motor. If GM goes under its going to be like trying to get DAEWOO parts and i refuse to buy these coils at autozone etc...
You have no idea what you are talking about. Everything in your post is false.

I've been contempletating about what ignition system to get for my car Mazport or BHR. BHR and all the ban wagon supporters say the Mazsport is not good because mazsport has gone out of business, and for some reason there products stop working.

Charles and Erick have already addressed your concerns so much of what I could add would just be reinforcing that.

The issues with Mazsports Ignition Solution go beyond the fact that they are no longer in business. There are very well documented and discussed issues with the kit they provided.

As Charles pointed out, there's no "bandwagon" with this ignition upgrade. We did our own testing and performance evaluations on the race track and street driving here in Arizona.

If you have any further concerns I'd be happy to address them via PM so I can more directly answer any questions you have.

I have coils.... and stickers.

Suck on THAT! :)

I have coils.... and stickers.

Suck on THAT! :)

ill give you something to suck on!!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :spank: :spank: :spank:

YES!!!!!

Oh wait - I meant NO....

Kane is ghey

Kane is ghey

But not like a fag..... like a VIKING!!!!:uhh:

lol sorry i just had to. lol

WHAT!?!? you got stickers?? I keel you!

You have no idea what you are talking about. Everything in your post is false.

i dont know about being false he's just trying to watch out for himself just like the stuff you say about mazsport coils. i can tell you that you have no idea what your talking bout. and everything in your post is false.

^Oh snap!

i dont know about being false he's just trying to watch out for himself just like the stuff you say about mazsport coils.

There's a couple elements within that post which I think are just simple misunderstandings about parts and what's better/worse for your car.

As Erick pointed out, the Yukon coil is based off of the LS2 coil with a few modifications which make them a better choice of the two. In a pinch, the LS2 coils will work fine. We know this because much of the initial testing was done with the LS2.

Either way, BHR customers have nothing to worry about in terms of product replacement. The ignition upgrade was designed with quality in mind so replacement parts are not necessary.

I think often people misunderstand the notion of OEM vs. aftermarket, street vs. race. Just because a product is "stock" doesn't mean an aftermarket part is better and just cause something says "race" on it doesn't mean it's best for street driven applications.

While MSD supplies a lot of racing ignition parts for various different makes and models, MSD stuff is more of a race track application than street. This means MSD makes a part that's designed to perform at high levels for a period of time BUT overall life isn't an issue.

Why? Cause race cars are rebuilt all the time...as frequent as after every single race. Coils, spark plugs etc. are items which are replaced constantly. With a street driven car you need something that lasts, that operates in nearly every environmental condition, and gives you performance the whole time.

Same goes for aftermarket vs. OEM. You'll find in many cases OEM equipment is made by the same people who make your aftermarket parts. The RX8's clutch is manufactured by Exedy, the suspension made by bilstein etc.

Any claims BHR makes about our products or the products of other manufacturers/vendors are done so based on facts, not fanboy rhetoric. If your vendor cannot provide facts about their products or explain why they endorse or don't endorce any particular product then you shouldn't be doing business with them.

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omg easy now i have to go and watch Where the Buffalo Roam, the other Hunter S. Thompson movie. For some unknown, unamerican reaon i dont own Fear and Loathing

I own the movie and I have the movie Poster on my wall.

i dont know about being false he's just trying to watch out for himself just like the stuff you say about mazsport coils. i can tell you that you have no idea what your talking bout. and everything in your post is false.

Read Ray's post. I couldn't care less what you think.

on snap, i just remembered i have fear and loathing ripped on my old xbox... walking to work now to get it :)

Read Ray's post. Couldn't care less what you think.

well if he doesnt care about what a customer thinks, then that will be concidered as bad business practices. :spank:

well if he doesnt care about what a customer thinks, then that will be concidered as bad business practices. :spank:
That's not what I meant.

I meant that I couldn't care less what you think I know or not.

well if he doesnt care about what a customer thinks, then that will be concidered as bad business practices. :spank:

No, 05 meant he couldn't care less. Not that I couldn't.
This thread has spun way out of control.

Lemme wrap it up by summarizing;

We at BHR, especially ME, care very much about our customers' happiness and success during the use of ANY parts we sell them or advice we give. So much so that I have taken every penny I have and devoted it to starting BHR and going full-time with it. For me, this is not a hobby as my family's next meal is dependent on my ability to earn a living doing this. Failure is not an option for me so I am careful about what I sell and the information I give.

The one thing I hope differentiates BHR from every other vendor on this forum is the brazen honesty we have regarding what works and does not work for the RX-8 and why that might be. Simply pushing parts into peoples' hands and walking away has never been my objective. Ask anybody who has sought my advice how much more informed they have come away after a few PMs.

well if he doesnt care about what a customer thinks, then that will be concidered as bad business practices. :spank:

Why don't you STFU and do a little reading instead of posting out of your GD ASSS!!!:rant:

If you understood anything about Ray you would know how he deals with his customers and his history with this community.

If you understood anything about the coils themselves you would understand why they are a great selection.

And if you knew anything about the automotive business at all you would know how suppliers work in the modern world and that in fact it's possible for people to make parts for cars that are no longer made by the company that originally produced them.

Christ in a hatbox you suck.:spank:

well if he doesnt care about what a customer thinks, then that will be concidered as bad business practices.

Yes please - in support of what CRH just wrote above me - understand that I am the one that doesn't care what the customer thinks.
Abuse of the customer is MY department, so please feel free to come to me when you want a good brow-beating.

CRH, Easy and Flashwing are in control of the flow of the product and the relationship with the suppliers and the customers.

My job is to try my best to make stupid a painful condition.

.....and he's good at it!

S

Ask anybody who has sought my advice how much more informed they have come away after a few PMs.

I've spoken to Mike via PM's and hopefully I've addressed his questions regarding the various kits.



My job is to try my best to make stupid a painful condition.

Is that why it hurts when I sit?

Why don't you STFU and do a little reading instead of posting out of your GD ASSS!!!:rant:

If you understood anything about Ray you would know how he deals with his customers and his history with this community.

If you understood anything about the coils themselves you would understand why they are a great selection.

And if you knew anything about the automotive business at all you would know how suppliers work in the modern world and that in fact it's possible for people to make parts for cars that are no longer made by the company that originally produced them.

Christ in a hatbox you suck.:spank:

whoa slow down tiger, where did you come from????? :lol: i work at a GM dealership idiot.:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes please - in support of what CRH just wrote above me - understand that I am the one that doesn't care what the customer thinks.
Abuse of the customer is MY department, so please feel free to come to me when you want a good brow-beating.

CRH, Easy and Flashwing are in control of the flow of the product and the relationship with the suppliers and the customers.

My job is to try my best to make stupid a painful condition.

whoa, jeff getting alittle brave there online.:lol: come on now what happen to good business practices?

c'mon guys, let's just calm down here a bit. This is getting out of hand.

The information is out there regarding these coils, as well as the alternatives. Take some time to research and make your choice. If you do, I'm sure you will make the right decision.

whoa, jeff getting alittle brave there online.:lol: come on now what happen to good business practices?

I am significantly more brash in person. I tone it down for teh InterWebz.

As I noted, "good business practices" are CRH's department.

I am significantly more brash in person. I tone it down for teh InterWebz.

As I noted, "good business practices" are CRH's department.

we've met at Gils job when you were out here, i was talking to you and Easy E and Ray.

i dont know about being false he's just trying to watch out for himself just like the stuff you say about mazsport coils. i can tell you that you have no idea what your talking bout. and everything in your post is false.

Had you or your buddy actually taken the time to read up on both of the coils you would realized that your concerns are indeed quite misguided. I know sifting through those posts to find the info that is needed is a bit of a headache but if you would truly like to educate yourself, the info is out there.

Had you or your buddy actually taken the time to read up on both of the coils you would realized that your concerns are indeed quite misguided. I know sifting through those posts to find the info that is needed is a bit of a headache but if you would truly like to educate yourself, the info is out there.

whats your point???

Wow....

Wow....

ok wheres Marco grab your popcorn bro this is going to get real interesting.:lol:

What are you talking about?? I said wow because I thought it was pretty plain what my point was. I'm done, I'm not feeding the troll anymore.

What are you talking about?? I said wow because I thought it was pretty plain what my point was. I'm done, I'm not feeding the troll anymore.

troll????:lol: :lol: :lol:

whats your point???

That many of the issues which have been proposed have been addressed.

ok wheres Marco grab your popcorn bro this is going to get real interesting.:lol:

Let's try and keep this thread on task. If anyone has questions or concerns you can contact me via PM. This thread is for reviews of the BHR kit by people who have already bought one. We have other threads which people can post questions in or they can contact me for information.

troll????:lol: :lol: :lol:


Its all good dude. Its funny how this dude calls you a troll an you have way more post than him.

ok wheres Marco grab your popcorn bro this is going to get real interesting.:lol:

Make sure you get the JUMBO popcorn like at the movies and extra butter :)

As an early adopter of the BHR Ignition System, I'd like to point out that I have had no ignition-related failures in nearly a year.
When I was running OE coils, I had to replace them every 6 to 8 months.

During the past year, I have abused my engine to a level that is far beyond what I have had the ability to do in the 4 years before.
After numerous long trips and poundings on the track and autocross, I think I can safely say that cost/performance benefit of the BHR system far exceeds that of the OE system by a comfortable margin.
Furthermore, the optimum power delivery during tuning and running conditions has never required even a moment of consideration to the ignition system, where the OE system was often in question when power delivery was less than optimal or uniform.












(As the designer of this system, I realize that my "endorsement" carries the bias that could be expected. However, the system was designed specifically to address issues that I was experiencing and it did so with a 100% success rate.)

*Sigh* The term "Feeding the troll" is not calling anyone a troll. It simply means I am not going to continue along a path that has no point and no merit just for the sake of an argument. Since I've been a member here longer then him does that mean I have more "wisdom" then he does? No. Just like a post count does not indicate intelligence.

As an early adopter of the BHR Ignition System, I'd like to point out that I have had no ignition-related failures in nearly a year.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

early adopter. lolol.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

early adopter. lolol.

Well, OK.

VERY early adopter.:eyetwitch

indeed.

we've met at Gils job when you were out here, i was talking to you and Easy E and Ray.

So what is going on now? Ask a reasonable question and receive a reasonable answer. All this F***ing BS is pointless. Get back to the REAL TOPIC!

Same goes for everybody else that is posting BS in this thread.

im sick!!!

So what is going on now? Ask a reasonable question and receive a reasonable answer. All this F***ing BS is pointless. Get back to the REAL TOPIC!

Same goes for everybody else that is posting BS in this thread.

Dude i think your a lil late that was an old post like an hour ago. We past all that now. Where have you been ?

E, is Jerry at your place right now?

E, is Jerry at your place right now?

Yes! :eyetwitch

Dude i think your a lil late that was an old post like an hour ago. We past all that now. Where have you been ?

That reminds me of Chappelle as Rick James, "That was three weeks ago!"

Yes! :eyetwitch

Knew it! Ain't much left at my place.........

Dude i think your a lil late that was an old post like an hour ago. We past all that now. Where have you been ?

I haven't seen anything change since then. Still BS going on in here.

Still BS going on in here.

I disagree. We are still discussing impressions...... just of a different kind. Like, I am getting the impression that you are an asshole.:lol2: Besides, you're not the boss of us!

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I see we have gleaned accurate impressions from one another.

Wouldn't it be useful to politely have Vegaz ask you again what he wants to know and then answer it briefly?
Otherwise i feel that this good topic can go too far away from its original intent.
Just an idea :)

Wouldn't it be useful to politely have Vegaz ask you again what he wants to know and then answer it briefly?
Otherwise i feel that this good topic can go too far away from its original intent.
Just an idea :)

Already did!

His concerns...

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=2780673&postcount=106

Charles' response:

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=2780796&postcount=115

Easy's Response:

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=2780711&postcount=110

My response:

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=2781055&postcount=130

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!

I see we have gleaned accurate impressions from one another.

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You miss the "politely have Vegaz",for he was a bit "rude" (not necessarily with bad intentions though) in asking stuff out so starting again in a more kind way would help the answers as well i think ;)

We are all just messing with each other, now. Sure sign the thread has become uninteresting to some.

We are all just messing with each other, now. Sure sign the thread has become uninteresting to some.

People are busy having fun with their new coil kits...or maybe sleeping with them who knows.

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Well, even after reading the last few pages, I still intend on ordering one soon!

Thread has outlived its usefulness.