I had thought that Mazda had the rotary flooding problem handled in the second gen 7. Obviously I was wrong after reading several stories here. I have a third gen that has never flooded and maybe the reason is the turbo timer. Everyone here knows what it does (or at least should). If someone else has suggested this as a solution sorry to repeat. I haven't had the car flood yet, maybe I will install the timer to make sure it doesn't. Of course my wife hates the TT on the FD and WRX, but hey, I would rather avoid fouling the plugs and all.

newbie question, since i don't know much about turbos. i know that the turbo timer will run your car after you leave it, but is it possible to have one even if the car doesn't have a turbo? or simply any car can have one? if so, its a great idea. where can i get one for 100 dollars?

Any car can have the turbo timer because it is hooked to the electrical system, not the turbos themselves--its greatest benefit is too allow for cooling turbos and stop coking after hard runs by not letting the car shut off for a prearranged amount of time after the ignition is shut off. Apexi and Greddy make them, check any aftermarket tuners site (I recommend Ari Yallon at Rx-7.com ). Maybe this will help some people.

thanks, it's definitely something to look into.

I'll keep asking... won't the emergency start procedure work on a flooded engine? What's the big deal?

Megareds, I don't know if it is a big deal or not to go through the routine, but I keep hearing bitching about flooded engines, so I thought this might help. Some times the threads I have read seem to indicate that the manuals procedure doesn't work that effectively. Some people might think that spending the 100 is worth not worrying about it at all. Also some turbo timers give additional info (0-60 and quarter mile times amongst other things) and some people may like that feature.

For one, I would never spend $100 for what my hand can already do & for another they are illegal in most (if not all) of Canada.

Turbo Timers?

Unnecessary, even on turbocharged cars.
Subaru specifically mentions not using one. As does Audi.

Snake oil for cars.

Well, yes and no....they DO perform exactly as advertised, i.e. they run the car for a set period after you shut it off. Now, are the needed? Not for most modern water-cooled turbos...maybe if you go with an oil-cooled aftermarket turbo or something. However in this case, there's no question of turbo coking, etc...its just being suggested as a way to do an end run around the flooding problem.

jds

I am not going to argue the merits of turbo timers here. If Dave at KDR suggests I put it in, I do. He has done me no wrong yet, and I doubt very much it is a big deal for him to soak me for the $40 or so for the install, consider I have spent over 10K with him on my FD. Bureau13 is correct in understanding the spirit of my suggestion. If used in this application, it will help prevent the flooding problem. An end run is a great term.

If it fixes the flooding issue on the rotary then I would have to say it has finally found a suitable use :)

For turbos, I consider them to be like putting a "pre-luber" on your car. Not necessary these days ;)

Originally posted by MyRxBad
For one, I would never spend $100 for what my hand can already do & for another they are illegal in most (if not all) of Canada.

LOL, a lot of people spend $100 for what their hand can do, but I'm WAAAAY outa line and way off topic. Never mind... :D

How hard is it to install a turbo timer? I wouldn't want it installed on my dash, maybe under to do its job to make sure the car gets up to operating temp.

Originally posted by 8_wannabe
LOL, a lot of people spend $100 for what their hand can do, but I'm WAAAAY outa line and way off topic. Never mind... :D

haha... Hookers and Turbo Timer a-like! :ROFL:




Why spend money on a turbo timer when you can sit there for about 20-30secs and then turn the car off yourself?

^^ That better 8_wannabe ;)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MyRxBad
[B]haha... Hookers and Turbo Timer a-like! :ROFL:

Yeah, both are presumably illegal in Canada. Hmmm, we're finding a lot of parallels here.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Instead of a turbo timer, how about the following:

1) Look at the little needle on the coolant gauge.

2) If the little needle on the coolant gauge is past the quarter FS point, shut off your car.

3) If you reach this step, return to step 1.


What is the big damn deal about this????? Why would you need a mechanical device to do what your eyes can tell you to do just by looking at the engine temp? Besides, 95% of the time, the car is already warmed up, and you'd just be wasting gas! Sheeez! Let's put this one back in the mole hill category where it belongs!

Wow, what a huge waste of gas an extra minute of the car running is, much worse than the already bad consumption. I keep reading about people with flooded engines, so obviously this isn't some phantom issue. How many threads and how many people responding to those threads that the same thing happened and they got fouled plugs and a trip to the dealership. Now maybe the work is free, but my time (and hopefully your time) isn't. How many trips is $100 worth. I say one morning--for me, not even that. If everyone was disciplined then no one would have flooded engines. I had an idea that may help some people and take the thinking about starting and turning off ignition quickly out of their hands. I don't care who doesn't like it, if it helps one person avoid a pain in the ass situation or two then I am glad I posted here. BTW, my10ae, the TT in my FD is mounted under the dash on the driver side and out of the way and out of site, in my WRX it is actually mounted in the glove box and out of site as well.

Senseny:

I appreciate your post to help fix a "potential" problem with our 8's (rotaries). $100 is cheap money when it comes to dealing with the hassle to get down to the dealer, blah blah blah (if the car floods). Let me know if you go with a turbo timer. My cousin was an Installation Manager at a local Circuit City for 6 years so I trust him. If you go with this mod, mind sharing your info so I can pass it along to my cousin. He is specifically looking on how to bypass the "chip" in the key for the ignition to keep running once the key is removed.

I appreciate the suggestion..

Kevin

No one else thinks a timer would help the flooding issue? I for one see that $100 and cheap insurance for my 8. As soon as I get some info to get one installed, I'll be all over it...

Originally posted by Psylence
Turbo Timers?

Unnecessary, even on turbocharged cars.
Subaru specifically mentions not using one. As does Audi.

Snake oil for cars.

Sorry, that is a false statement, yes subaru has a cooling line running even after the car is shut off however it is still always a good idea to idle the car after a hard drive.

I have told my wife several times not to cold start the car and turn it right off. Well last night she did, and luckily the car didn't flood. This wouldn't be an issue if I had a timer. I'll probably get one installed in the near future. Maybe it'll help avoid tension in the marriage. Even if it isn't the perfect solution, if you aren't thinking and turn the car off quickly the timer will remind you to switch back to the on position for a little while. And for the times the car is adequately warm, just drop the ebrake after turning off the ignition and the tt will shut down allowing you to avoid the wait.

Originally posted by MyRxBad
haha... Hookers and Turbo Timer a-like! :ROFL:




Why spend money on a turbo timer when you can sit there for about 20-30secs and then turn the car off yourself?

^^ That better 8_wannabe ;)

If you ever owned a turbo car you will know that 20 - 60 seconds get annoying after a while. Especially people riding with you or when you are in a hurry.

Originally posted by khoney
Instead of a turbo timer, how about the following:

1) Look at the little needle on the coolant gauge.

2) If the little needle on the coolant gauge is past the quarter FS point, shut off your car.

3) If you reach this step, return to step 1.


What is the big damn deal about this????? Why would you need a mechanical device to do what your eyes can tell you to do just by looking at the engine temp? Besides, 95% of the time, the car is already warmed up, and you'd just be wasting gas! Sheeez! Let's put this one back in the mole hill category where it belongs!

The turbo timer is for after the car is driven not when you first started up. Not to warm up but to cool down.

Originally posted by my10ae
No one else thinks a timer would help the flooding issue? I for one see that $100 and cheap insurance for my 8. As soon as I get some info to get one installed, I'll be all over it...

I can see how it would reduce the chance of flooding by burning off excessive fuel in the chamber before shut down and keeping the chamber warm from short drives.

Originally posted by Hanzo
Sorry, that is a false statement, yes subaru has a cooling line running even after the car is shut off however it is still always a good idea to idle the car after a hard drive.

As does AUDI's with Biturbo engines (TT, S4, etc)...

How do turbo timers work? Does it basically leave the engine running for a few minutes even after removing the key and walk away turn on the alarm?

this may be a stupid question, but since the turbo timer attaches to the electrical systme in the 8, does it void the warranty on the electrical system or the engine since any added aftermarket stuff voids the warranty on that part of the car?

Meeh, that is exactly what the turbo timer does. The car continues to run with the key out of the ignition for a preset amount of time. If the car is in gear or the ebrake is not engaged the car will shut off (an easy way to deactivate for times the car is warm when you want to shut off). You can then activate the alarm as you walk away.
The turbo timer should not invalidate your factory warranty, maybe if something electrical gets fried they would fight with you. It hasn't had any effect on my Subaru warranty. I guess you should check with the dealership or a rep at the 800 number.

And if I shut the garage door and go in the house, it keeps running? And I have to depend on the timer to shut down the car, as my garage fills up with CO? That's crazy. Better I flood the car.

Well you could have a timer hooked up to your garage door opener, so that it closes after your car turns off.

Originally posted by meeh
How do turbo timers work? Does it basically leave the engine running for a few minutes even after removing the key and walk away turn on the alarm?

Some newer turbo timers like Blitz DTT has an auto function where it will remember how long you where at certain rpm and depending on that it will either leave it running longer or shorter.

I could give a rats ass. If you want to use it do it. I know or know of many who use turbo timers and not one has died of CO2 poisoning. If the car is warm when you pull in the garage, disable the timer by dropping the ebrake, the car will shut off. Learn how these things work before making completely asinine statements. You know what I hope half your cars flood and the other half of you die from CO2 poisoning. You try to help people and you get these kinds of posts in reply .

Originally posted by Hanzo
The turbo timer is for after the car is driven not when you first started up. Not to warm up but to cool down.

Which is why it is completely useless! There is no need for a cooldown timer for a NA engine or a 'no-flood' delay if the car is already warm. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my earlier post?

Originally posted by khoney
Which is why it is completely useless! There is no need for a cooldown timer for a NA engine or a 'no-flood' delay if the car is already warm. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my earlier post?

The idea is to keep it running for certain amount of time even if you just start the car and drove it for 3 feet. You can set the amount the time the car stay on after it is started.

With the turbo timer keeping the engine running would that interfere with me enabling the alarm as I walk away?

Don't know much about the subject, sorry for the ignorant questions :)

Originally posted by Hanzo
The idea is to keep it running for certain amount of time even if you just start the car and drove it for 3 feet. You can set the amount the time the car stay on after it is started.

Yes, I understand what a turbo timer does, I've just been trying to pound into your head that a warmed-up RX-8 can be shut off immediately, so the addition of a turbo timer will simply waste gas. Besides, I don't know about you car, but in colder weather I have to drive at least a few miles before my engine temp starts to rise. Personally, I'd rather drive the car until it's wamed up rather than let it sit in the garage - what's the fun in that? :D

People keep flooding the engine, the tt would stop that by not allowing an errant quick shutoff. Of course when it is warm the timer is unnecessary. I am suggesting this as a way too avoid flooding the engine after a cold start and a quick ignition shut off. Why is this so goddamn difficult. Just disable the timer when the fucking car is warm. Goddamn.

Does everyone understand that when you don't want the TT to run after the key is removed from the ignition all you have to do is drop the ebrake and the tt automatically shuts off.

Let me interject with a dumb question.....Does a TT work with an auto 8?

I'm a noob to rotaries and from what I read about the flooding on this forum, does it happen because the engine hasn't reached operating tempreatures before it's shut off?
Just tossing a thought around so would adding something like a turbo timer to make sure the car runs for a certain amount of time before the engine is shut off help with that problem? But I guess it wouldn't work if you stalled the car...

Yeah it would work. I have been a proponent of this as a solution to the problem for a while.

http://www.lemmings.com/mark/rx7flood.htm

Originally posted by Rotary Titus
I'm a noob to rotaries and from what I read about the flooding on this forum, does it happen because the engine hasn't reached operating tempreatures before it's shut off?
Just tossing a thought around so would adding something like a turbo timer to make sure the car runs for a certain amount of time before the engine is shut off help with that problem? But I guess it wouldn't work if you stalled the car... Exactly.

Most people can deal with the "don't shut it off cold" situation except when valets are involved; rather it's the "stall when engine is cold" problem that has most spooked...

Originally posted by Senseny
People keep flooding the engine, the tt would stop that by not allowing an errant quick shutoff. Of course when it is warm the timer is unnecessary. I am suggesting this as a way too avoid flooding the engine after a cold start and a quick ignition shut off. Why is this so goddamn difficult. Just disable the timer when the fucking car is warm. Goddamn.


bro you have more patience than me.
i would of went crazy by the time you posted this reply.

a t/t is not a bad idea not @ all.
a flooding engine is a nightmare sometimes.
my 88 t2 would flood due to leaky injector's
so did my '91 13b
but my 13b rew never had a problem with
but i installed a t/t for it
because if i was running her hard i wouldnt want to sit there
for turbo reasons.
only problem i see with installing a turbo timer for a rx- 8 is
voiding warranty cause you have to hack into ecu.

It isn't really a bad idea except for the part about paying $100. U don't even need 2 look at the engine coolant temp, as that is always a little delayed in telling u how hot the engine is. If the idle is less than 1k rpms then u can shut it off, cause that shows a shift in fuel richness, and the extra rich fuel when it doesn't idle below this is what mainly causes the flooding, plus good design of not allowing unburned hydrocarbons out of the engine. That is how it is harder 2 restart then the rx7.

If u flood ur engine then just follow manual procedure till battery is low. If that doesn't work then completely recharge or replace battery, pull the spark plugs. Clean and heat the spark plugs, w/ a rag and oh say a blow dryer, then put them back in and it should start. If not it will prob have 2 b towed 2 dealer.