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Lithium Lotus 07-18-2008, 08:17 PM http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5711/thumb1280x1280268044032ec3.jpg
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This is it. The 2010 Chevy Camaro, revealed in all its glory. According to details we've been told by the folks breaking the embargo, the new Chevy Camaro will come in LS, LT and SS (yes, we know there's a badge there that says "RS")— and be available in either 6-speed manual or auto flavors. Under the hood, a 296 HP 3.6-liter V6 or a 416 HP 6.2-liter V8 with cylinder deactivation. And check out that interior — looks very muscular to us. Weight? How about 3,747 lb [same as 2006 GTO] — lighter than the Challenger. Full details below the jump.
The Camaro will come in LS, LT and full-on SS specs and be available with 6-speed manual and auto transmissions. Under the bonnet sit fuel-efficient 296bhp 3.6-liter V6 and 416bhp 6.2-liter V8 engines, which can run on fewer cylinders to improve economy.
It shouldn't just be a burnout king either, handling should be pretty good thanks to an all-independent suspension setup and a StabiliTrak stability control system. 4-pot Brembo brakes front and rear shed the speed on the SS. Weight balance is split 52/48 front/rear too, but the Camaro is a porker, weighing in at more than 1,700kgs.
The interior gets cool LED lighting, leather seats on posher models and dials and gauges inspired by 1969 Camaros. The US gets the car in early 2009, while we'll get it some time after that. Super.
Jasonawojo 07-18-2008, 08:28 PM A 300HP V6 with cylinder shutoff might keep it in the game, even if gas prices keep rising. Not bad, considering the old RS. Of course, as with the Challenger, you need the V8 for it to be genuine muscle hah.
Lithium Lotus 07-18-2008, 08:33 PM http://media.kickstatic.com/kickapps/images/7276/photos/PHOTO_1479035_7276_262064_main.jpg
Design1stCode2nd 07-18-2008, 08:39 PM And thats just the V6. The SS is going to be beastly.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=129446#5
kvndoom 07-18-2008, 09:54 PM badass. pure badass. nice numbers, love those throwback gauges, and can you say "6-speed manual"? will be interesting to see how Ford counters this, at least engine-wise.
HockeyRX-8 07-18-2008, 09:58 PM That's insane looking. I really like it.
edit: my 500th post! :jump:
Garrett 07-18-2008, 10:05 PM That looks absolutely gorgeous; I love it.
thecow135 07-18-2008, 10:15 PM it stole our wheels!
MisplacedRotors 07-18-2008, 10:16 PM possibly i'm an idiot...but center console gauge cluster theres a torque gauge?? 0-370 lbft of what?
Altair 8 07-18-2008, 10:23 PM saw a black one on the streets in Lafayette, LA this past weekend. i about died. i dont know who or why it was out on the streets, but it was going the opposite direction and couldnt take a pic of it. very nice though, sexy.
playdoh43 07-18-2008, 10:38 PM interesting placement of gauge cluster on the center console... very unique. I like
Design1stCode2nd 07-18-2008, 11:16 PM Much rather have a bigger cubby than the gauges but from what I understand it's a nod to the late 60's Camaro's. If it's priced right I'll most likely get this in a year or two. I'm curious what the SS will have appearance wise to differentiate it from the V-6 here. Guess we'll find out on Monday at the dealer reveal thing.
Ford will have to do something more than a refresh and larger engine. IRS, almost 50/50 weight balance and over 400hp for probably a few grand more than a Mustang GT is s hell of a bargain.
Lithium Lotus 07-18-2008, 11:20 PM The 68-69 Camaro had console gauges if you bought one with the RS package [RS, Z28/RS, SS/RS]
http://www.camaros.net/years/68/pg9_console.jpg
And there are aftermarket pods available if your car didn't have them.
TopGear8 07-18-2008, 11:21 PM Looks pretty cool. Not a big fan of the interior tho.
kersh4w 07-19-2008, 12:46 AM it stole our wheels!
my thoughts exactly! bastards!
fahrfegneugen 07-19-2008, 01:10 AM Looks way too big to be fun to drives beside off the line and the driving position looks iffy... Nice car though!
CyberPitz 07-19-2008, 11:02 AM The center console is just so busy! :lol2:
YaXMaNGTO 07-19-2008, 11:10 AM possibly i'm an idiot...but center console gauge cluster theres a torque gauge?? 0-370 lbft of what?
I hadn't noticed or read about that! Not a Veyron style HP gauge, but a torque gauge. Theyre going to have to have a kit to change the scale on that thing. I bet we see 500-1000 lb-ft Camaros a few months after release.
YaXMaNGTO 07-19-2008, 11:28 AM If it's priced right I'll most likely get this in a year or two.
IRS, almost 50/50 weight balance and over 400hp for probably a few grand more than a Mustang GT is s hell of a bargain.
Man. I sure need a few of my investments to do a little better. COME ON U.S. ECONOMY! I'll get one too. Looks like it will be a fun car.
That SS is gonna a be a bad mofo. I don't know if you guys realize it or not, but to get an NA LS3 to a very streetable 500whp is not difficult. It's a great engine.
XlYesterdaYlX 07-19-2008, 11:34 AM Looks better than when i saw it in transformers!
Razz1 07-19-2008, 02:09 PM I heard the Camaro is on hold now do to finances and the gas crisis.
They are very late into the 2nd Motorhead generation.
Mech_head 07-19-2008, 03:23 PM Too heavy. Looks Great. Interior looks acceptable for the price point of the car. Mustang owners might as well pack it up. NO WAY would i buy ANY stang over this car. And that goes for the GT500 too.
Mmmm... LS goodness in what looks to be a good looking and handling handling package. I think we have a winner.
Raptor2k 07-19-2008, 03:34 PM Not bad.
MisplacedRotors 07-19-2008, 05:28 PM but really a torque gauge?? how useful is that going to be?
Lithium Lotus 07-19-2008, 06:15 PM About as usefull as the g-meter in the GTR.
rddragoness 07-19-2008, 07:59 PM Exterior...Meh..Interior nah...reminds of my GT...cheezy really IMO.
jones75254 07-19-2008, 08:07 PM Its hard not to like this car. As a kid (before i even knew of imports:)) the 69 Camaro SS was my fav car. I had posters of it in my room, you know the one, with the blue paint job and white racing stripes. Even though i love imports this car just screams hotness. It will slaughter the challenger both in looks and sales. Saw a Challenger the other day parked at the gym and i wasnt impressed.
MisplacedRotors 07-19-2008, 10:07 PM yeah except the gmeter is at least digital and not analog 0-180-370 maybe a little more accurate? either way its just a little peter hardner.
superglue 07-19-2008, 10:26 PM No please. Do not want.
... tip of the hat though for the LS3 and the IRS..... but would definitely take the Challenger or new 5.0 Mustang instead.
YaXMaNGTO 07-20-2008, 10:47 AM No please. Do not want.
... tip of the hat though for the LS3 and the IRS..... but would definitely take the Challenger or new 5.0 Mustang instead.
Just read about that 5.0L 2010 Mustang... they're saying 400hp out of that thing, but not as much torque. Sucker is gonna be pretty fast, but I will predict right now, the Camaro will be faster in all the magazine comparison tests.
mattrotary34 07-20-2008, 10:52 AM the interior gauges looks like they took them from a mustang
YaXMaNGTO 07-20-2008, 10:59 AM the interior gauges looks like they took them from a mustang
How dare you.
Lithium Lotus 07-20-2008, 11:46 AM Edmunds first look: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=129446?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#32
Ryan2008 07-20-2008, 12:05 PM I am pretty impressed with this. Love all the gauges and design of the inside. I think if you're looking for futuristic muscle, go with the camaro, performance, go with the camaro. But if you want more classic style, the Challenger is for you.
Earl the Pearl 07-20-2008, 12:19 PM I don't care for the interior but I think overall, it is decent. I will be curious to see how the market takes to it especially after a year or two. That and I will be curious if GM keeps spending money on it with their current cash crunch and knee jerk reaction to decide to build small cars now that gas is over $4 per gallon.
I have not read anything officially on how the Challenger is selling other than the 6400 units that were allocated but there is no problem finding an 08 in the Philadelphia area. That and I was in Carlisle PA at one of the largest Chrysler shows on the east coast and there were plenty from dealers. Average asking price was $55k and most people walking by looked but didn't seem impressed.
snipaz2420 07-20-2008, 12:48 PM i love it!
mattrotary34 07-20-2008, 01:14 PM How dare you.
lol.... it honestly does.. to me anyways i think its the back lights to be honest.. if it had a diffrent color it would look better
superglue 07-20-2008, 01:41 PM That's a lot of engine hanging over the front axels. I wonder how well the weight gets spread out.
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YaXMaNGTO 07-20-2008, 02:01 PM That's a lot of engine hanging over the front axels. I wonder how well the weight gets spread out.
52% Front 48% Rear
:bootyshak
Lithium Lotus 07-20-2008, 09:17 PM But it's better then having the engine under the dash like the 4thgens were, although it was better for road racing.
REsuperD 07-20-2008, 09:45 PM i saw one of these, in production trim, in person a few weeks ago when it was doing a tv movie shoot. it did look pretty sweet in person and like someone else said, it's hard not to like it. it's a very good looking car. i'd take the v6
YaXMaNGTO 07-20-2008, 10:39 PM i saw one of these, in production trim, in person a few weeks ago when it was doing a tv movie shoot. it did look pretty sweet in person and like someone else said, it's hard not to like it. it's a very good looking car. i'd take the v6
I'm jealous. I'd like to see one in person. That's cool.
YaXMaNGTO 07-20-2008, 10:42 PM But it's better then having the engine under the dash like the 4thgens were, although it was better for road racing.
The difficulty involved in changing the sparkplugs "under" the firewall on an LT1 Z28 was legendary. I pray it's not that way on the new one, but from the illustration, it doesn't look like it would be too bad. That would SUCK. Does anybody have any "real" under-hood pics? I haven't seen any yet.
Gotpam? 07-20-2008, 10:45 PM I'd hold out until the release the SS verision which wont probablly be for 3 years i'm guessing since the vert isnt suppose to go into production until 2011. If they were in production full force right now i'd probablly get one instead of the RX8 i'm trying to buy. I'd still rather just buy a classic 68 and restore it tho. Still a sexy car, i just hope theres not so many of em that its like the mustangs all over the road right now.
YaXMaNGTO 07-20-2008, 11:43 PM I'd hold out until the release the SS verision which wont probablly be for 3 years i'm guessing since the vert isnt suppose to go into production until 2011. If they were in production full force right now i'd probablly get one instead of the RX8 i'm trying to buy. I'd still rather just buy a classic 68 and restore it tho. Still a sexy car, i just hope theres not so many of em that its like the mustangs all over the road right now.
What? I've seen nothing about a delay for the SS. The convertible is going to be later, but from what I've read, the SS will be available at the same time as the RS.
Also, just because it's branded a 2010 model doesn't mean it will be 2010 before it's sold. They will launch in early 2009.
Gotpam? 07-21-2008, 12:01 AM oh i didnt even know they had the SS ready, all i knew was that they had the RS ready for sale.....mah bad!
YaXMaNGTO 07-21-2008, 04:29 AM oh i didnt even know they had the SS ready, all i knew was that they had the RS ready for sale.....mah bad!
That's cool. I was like "what? the SS is delayed!?!?! oh great" but I couldn't find any news about it.
DailyDriver2k5 07-21-2008, 08:33 AM Love the car , looks like they kept it pretty close to the concept . Im confused, so the RS, LS are V6 variants? And the 416HP V8, is that what the SS is getting, or can you get a RS and LS trim with a 416HP motor in it as well?
Or is the SS getting a new performance V8 in it all together?
Lithium Lotus 07-21-2008, 11:54 AM The SS hasn't been officially revealed yet, they are still waiting to do that.
Gotpam? 07-21-2008, 03:15 PM I think for sure this is the one of top remakes they did of the old detriot muscle.
Design1stCode2nd 07-21-2008, 03:24 PM Everything is up http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro
422hp/408tq, 3800and change lbs, launch control on the Manual SS and a Heads Up display! Hope I can wait until spring 2010, may have to take the hit and buy next year.
Shnifty 07-21-2008, 03:29 PM it stole our wheels!
The First thing I noticed
YaXMaNGTO 07-21-2008, 08:17 PM Everything is up http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro
422hp/408tq, 3800and change lbs, launch control on the Manual SS and a Heads Up display! Hope I can wait until spring 2010, may have to take the hit and buy next year.
SS also got the same gearbox as the ZR1... the Tremec TR6060. That thing is built like a brick shithouse. It'll hold gobs of power.
I think I might like the Inferno Orange... will have to see it in person.
hercmafia 07-21-2008, 08:36 PM sweet ride, I had a 97 SS
playdoh43 07-21-2008, 08:41 PM even the bottom of the line V6 has plenty of power (same as mustang GT!) and pretty good fuel economy. im impressed
dynamho 07-22-2008, 09:19 AM Nice looking car. They did a good job.
The interior is still ass though.
Impressive fuel economy and power from the V6!
DailyDriver2k5 07-22-2008, 09:35 AM SS also got the same gearbox as the ZR1... the Tremec TR6060. That thing is built like a brick shithouse. It'll hold gobs of power.
I think I might like the Inferno Orange... will have to see it in person.
Do you think you will get one? That would definitely be a step up from GOAT! Power, looks, handeling, better interior.... This Camaro even got me thinking to make the jump,GM has hit a home run with this one!
Make mine in silver or black!
HCTR154 07-22-2008, 10:52 AM I heard the Camaro is on hold now do to finances and the gas crisis.
They are very late into the 2nd Motorhead generation.
Couldn't agree more. I don't this car will ever make production. The old F body had issues, but it was quite the performance bargain and it was discontinued due to lack of sales. With $4/gallon gas now a reality, GM is not looking to produce this kind of niche car. Just my opinion.
DOMINION 07-22-2008, 10:58 AM Fugly But wait. Oh look it has a RX-8/MX-5 steering wheel :lol:
Design1stCode2nd 07-22-2008, 11:33 AM Couldn't agree more. I don't this car will ever make production. The old F body had issues, but it was quite the performance bargain and it was discontinued due to lack of sales. With $4/gallon gas now a reality, GM is not looking to produce this kind of niche car. Just my opinion.
Guessing you are joking or this is sarcasm. Do you honestly believe they will cancel/hold the camaro when it’s about 6 months from production? They will sell plenty of these especially the V6. Keep in mind the V6 gets better mileage than the RX8, STI, 350z just to name a few. The V8 will sell well initially and then taper off.
You do realize that the Mustang sells well over 100,000 units per year and ins a much inferior product and gets worse MPG compared to the 2010 camaro (I’m sure they will make many upgrades soon).
As of now it’s a loaded Camaro SS, 08 M3 or 08 S5 for me in a year or two. I’ll be watching the CTS coupe as well to see if they put an LS3 in that.
dillsrotary 07-22-2008, 12:09 PM I wonder how close the SS fully loaded with be? They do not want to approach the base corvette price to conflict the buyers choice. vette or camaro, i'd buy the vette.
sharkman 07-22-2008, 12:41 PM that car is pure sexiness, i'm been eyeballing it for a while and really considering getting one after it come's out.
sharkman 07-22-2008, 01:35 PM I'd hold out until the release the SS verision which wont probablly be for 3 years i'm guessing since the vert isnt suppose to go into production until 2011. If they were in production full force right now i'd probablly get one instead of the RX8 i'm trying to buy. I'd still rather just buy a classic 68 and restore it tho. Still a sexy car, i just hope theres not so many of em that its like the mustangs all over the road right now.
I'm affraid it is going to be like the mustang....everybody and their mom is gonna be driving one of these....mostly the V6 model...that's for sure... the V8 sounds like it's gonna be kinda expensive. Sweet car nonetheless and i sure will be very tempted to get me one....gonna have to test drive one to see if i like it better than my 8.
DailyDriver2k5 07-22-2008, 02:28 PM I'm affraid it is going to be like the mustang....everybody and their mom is gonna be driving one of these....mostly the V6 model...that's for sure... the V8 sounds like it's gonna be kinda expensive. Sweet car nonetheless and i sure will be very tempted to get me one....gonna have to test drive one to see if i like it better than my 8.
I don't think the new Camaro will be as agile as the 8,Z,M3,Sti,EVO, but it will be more capable in the handeling department than a GTO or a Mustang.
Its going to be a toss up with the V6, I hope GM make its potent enough to hold its own, after driving a new Impala SS with its new 300HP V6, I was very dissapointed. It was very weak compared to the Nissan altima 3.5 V6 with less HP. I never driven a GM V6 that i liked, GM magic has always been in there V8's.
I don't think the V8 will be no worse than a fully loaded RX-8 or 350Z,price wise. Look in the area of mid to high 30's. If Nissan is asking for 42k for there Nismo Z , then GM could definitely get 40k for there SS Camaro which has way more to offer.
playdoh43 07-22-2008, 02:52 PM im pretty sure the v6 model will start in the mid 20ks, and the v8 will start in the mid 30ks. the SS wont hit 40k unless you get every possible option
dynamho 07-22-2008, 07:14 PM From Autoblog: 8:20 on the Nurburgring. Nice.
I like the 2008 Cobalt SS mention for a run of 8:22. Now that's even more impressive. Supposedly, Exige S and Cayman S ran 8:25.
RX-8 will probably ring it somewhere around 8:37 or so.
RotoRocket 07-22-2008, 07:54 PM I'll pitch a bitch here -
Everyone keeps saying "with $4 gas here to stay."
No! $4 gas is not here to 'stay.' It's going much, much lower.
I could explain it from a fundamental or a technical standpoint, but just trust me - the U.S. will see far lower gasoline prices very soon.
YaXMaNGTO 07-22-2008, 09:46 PM I don't think the new Camaro will be as agile as the 8,Z,M3,Sti,EVO, but it will be more capable in the handeling department than a GTO or a Mustang.
I agree... it will handle better than my GTO. But, that's a compliment to the GTO. You do realize the Camaro is based on the Zeta platform that was developed in.... you guessed it.... AUSTRALIA. Holden (the manufacturers of the GTO, not Pontiac) did all the R&D for it, and it's what they use for the current Holden line. I do realize Chevy made some alterations to better suit the Camaro, but I'm very proud of it's lineage. I mean, damn, my car's chassis was designed in the late 90's by Holden and didnt change much at all, except for the larger displacement engines and US spec required changes.
Yes, I'll be buying a beautifully styled and improved version of my current car. I like that.
I'll pitch a bitch here -
Everyone keeps saying "with $4 gas here to stay."
No! $4 gas is not here to 'stay.' It's going much, much lower.
I could explain it from a fundamental or a technical standpoint, but just trust me - the U.S. will see far lower gasoline prices very soon.
I actually agree with you, man. I've got this (possibly) insane bet with a co-worker that sometime before the elections in November, we will see $3.00 unleaded regular gas in the US. If I'm right, and believe me, I follow the economics of this fairly closely, I'm going to laugh my silly ass off.
Mugatu 07-22-2008, 11:02 PM I approve. Much better than the crappy Challenger and Mustang. This might be worth the wait after all.
RenesisX-8 07-23-2008, 08:38 PM If i'm even consiering this new Camaro, it might be all over when they announce a new Trans Am!
RotoRocket 07-24-2008, 12:32 PM This car looks nice, but it was built for a different age.
There's too much weight and too many overhangs. It's too bulky. And the interior is gimmicky.
You don't have to stoop to the lowest common denominators to do a remake correctly.
I am impressed with the power GM was able to wring out of the V6, though - it embarrasses Ford Mustang V6 figures.
dynamho 07-24-2008, 12:39 PM I am impressed with the power GM was able to wring out of the V6, though - it embarrasses Ford Mustang V6 figures.
You bet. It embarrasses even the Mustang GT's V8 for that matter.
Robonaut 07-24-2008, 12:45 PM Put me firmly in the "meh" camp.
The looks are just okay. I think that the Mustangs look nicer. Neither compares to the RX8.
The interior looks really cheap and plasticky--perhaps it looks better in person, though.
I will admit that I've never been a fan of American muscle cars.
dillsrotary 07-24-2008, 12:48 PM I'd hold out until the release the SS verision which wont probablly be for 3 years i'm guessing since the vert isnt suppose to go into production until 2011. If they were in production full force right now i'd probablly get one instead of the RX8 i'm trying to buy. I'd still rather just buy a classic 68 and restore it tho. Still a sexy car, i just hope theres not so many of em that its like the mustangs all over the road right now.
did you even read the article? the SS is available same time as the v6, the vert starts spring next year.
Design1stCode2nd 07-24-2008, 03:44 PM So I take it you don’t feel all the rotary symbols inside the 8 are a tad gimicy? I actually like the interior from some of the pictures I’ve seen, I’ll reserve final judgment until I have seen other color combos and sat in one myself but over all it looks pretty good. Less gimicy than a Jaguar XF if nothing else.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/07/x10ar_ch032.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/07/x10ch_cm004-1280.jpg
RotoRocket 07-24-2008, 09:54 PM I'm just not feeling those gauges or that blue backlighting.
Other than that, it looks decent.
YaXMaNGTO 07-25-2008, 10:55 PM I want to see the blue trim light pipe in person. I think I'll like it.
Does anybody have a pic of the HUD?
dynamho 07-25-2008, 11:35 PM http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/07/x10ch_cm004-1280.jpg
It's not the gimmick factor for me. It just looks toyish like it's made by Mattel or something like that - even more so than the MINI's interior.
It looks as if the gauges were tacked on with plastic cement like those Revell plastic model kits some of us used to assemble as children.
Just me I guess.
bigireland 07-25-2008, 11:53 PM i was looking at it thinking, "time for the mustangs to stfu cause daddy's home.." then i saw that rear end.. yikes.. the rest of the exterior is lovely, but that back end is a mess.. straight up gross..
YaXMaNGTO 07-26-2008, 12:28 AM i was looking at it thinking, "time for the mustangs to stfu cause daddy's home.." then i saw that rear end.. yikes.. the rest of the exterior is lovely, but that back end is a mess.. straight up gross..
Gross? A mess? Seriously? The rear is stylistically one of the best parts of the car! Dude you're on crack. :bash:
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=124024&stc=1&d=1217049965
DailyDriver2k5 07-26-2008, 10:10 PM I like the rear as well,some meats under the wheel well will give the rear end a huskier look. I also like the interior light bar, very futuristic.
bigireland 07-27-2008, 06:06 AM Gross? A mess? Seriously? The rear is stylistically one of the best parts of the car! Dude you're on crack. :bash:
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=124024&stc=1&d=1217049965
ok whatever.. that taillight design looks straight up broken to me.. looks like darth vader straining to take a shit.. maybe it will grow on me but right now.. doodoo...
dynamho 07-27-2008, 11:40 PM I have to agree with bigireland. Rear end is definitely the weakest part of the exterior - something not quite right. I think the rest of exterior looks pretty good FWIW.
gukdoebabdoe 07-29-2008, 10:56 AM i think it's badass, but performance wise, its going to suck. i read it's 3750 pounds. 750 pounds too heavy for my liking.
YaXMaNGTO 07-29-2008, 11:32 PM i think it's badass, but performance wise, its going to suck. i read it's 3750 pounds. 750 pounds too heavy for my liking.
So a high 12 second quarter mile stock is going to suck? It's going to handle well too... I don't where you guys get this stuff.
tiggerlee 07-30-2008, 02:37 PM ok whatever.. that taillight design looks straight up broken to me...
Yeah I felt the same way about the RX8's bulbous front fenders. Reminded me of a VW Beetle. But it wasn't a deal breaker for me,I ended up buying one.
SlayerRX8 07-30-2008, 07:50 PM So a high 12 second quarter mile stock is going to suck? It's going to handle well too... I don't where you guys get this stuff.
They're used to everyone saying that a little bit of weight means a car can never be fast! :lol:
Razz1 07-30-2008, 09:45 PM the speedo and RPM gages are out of place for me.
Red Rex 08-05-2008, 08:39 AM I think a torque gauge would be pretty cool. Something different. Instead of watching how much psi you're cramming down your engine's throat, a torque gauge seems like a nice change. Although...there's rumors going around that a Z28 package is in the works, and that torque gauge may very well be replaced with a boost gauge...hmmm...
But yeah ahead of the shifter is the torque guage, voltometer, oil temperature and pressure. Comes with McPherson struts up front and a 4.5 link rear suspension. Last I checked, best you can get is a 5 link, so despite the car's large weight it should handle nicely.
Whats worrying though is that you get 2 different V8's: the L99 for automatics and the LS3 for manuals. Seems like an easy way for Chevy to up the price a little bit. Typically manuals are cheaper than automatics but since you're getting a whole new engine...
Also what worries me the most is that you're getting an LS3 V8 (hand-me-down vette engine, so its virtuably indestructable) paired with fully independent suspension on all four corners. But Chevy insists that the car will compete with the Mustang in terms of price too. I seriously doubt the SS package will go for any less than ~$35K, but it can't go anywhere near the C6's price tag...right?
All in all I think this car is fuckin hot at any angle! I've driven a Mustang GT before and the inside is garbage. The live axle isn't as bad performance-wise as everyone makes it out to be. The car handles corners well for a car so big. Its the comfort zone that the live axle fails in. Mole hills turn to mountains basically. Independent systems get you the best of both worlds (like on the Camaro). In a few years this could very well be the car I finally give up my RX8 for. Actually scratch that...whenever my RX8 has to go (for whatever reason) this is what I want to replace it. Gotta love Chevy
Design1stCode2nd 08-07-2008, 09:24 AM Fully loaded Mustang without nav is smething like 32k I think. I priced up a Challenger R/T with everything but nav and got 36.6k I'd expect the SS optioned the same to be bewteen the two. Actually GM has publically said that it will be priced competitively with the Mustang and Challenger.
YaXMaNGTO 08-11-2008, 11:25 PM Finally saw a new Camaro on the road!!! It was stopped at a convenience store.
Snapped a photo of the interior...
http://forum.miata.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=68738
SlayerRX8 08-12-2008, 03:50 AM Bahahaha...what makes it so funny is that I love Iron Maiden. :)
RotoRocket 08-12-2008, 09:08 AM Finally saw a new Camaro on the road!!! It was stopped at a convenience store.
Snapped a photo of the interior...
http://forum.miata.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=68738
Total stereotype but completely hilarious.
KoDeD 08-12-2008, 09:35 AM I like the car, but heavy IMO
JRichter 08-12-2008, 10:26 AM Finally saw a new Camaro on the road!!! It was stopped at a convenience store.
Snapped a photo of the interior...
LOL!. Nice.
From what I see so far, I think Chevy did a great job on the Camaro. It looks really close to the concept car I saw at a car show a few years back which was a knock-out in person. Its hard to see the signature coke-bottle shape in pics. The interior is still retro but somehow looks modern at the same time. Overall the best looking modern pony car. Though I would only want a V8, the direct injection 305hp V6 sounds interesting and is over a hundred hp more than the 'Stang V6 yet still smaller. Looking forward to test driving a 6-sp SS.
Huey52 08-12-2008, 10:32 AM Mimics the original styling.
interesting placement of gauge cluster on the center console... very unique. I like
devildog1679 08-12-2008, 11:56 AM I find it funny that the V6 Camaro will have the same HP as a V8 Mustang :)
superglue 08-13-2008, 12:37 AM I find it funny that the V6 Camaro will have the same HP as a V8 Mustang :)
A standard Mustang GT will eat the V6 Camaro for lunch in a strait line. The Camaro is heavier and the V6 wont have the power band of the Mustang.
Although, all that the public will see is matching peak 300hp numbers for both cars which is bad for news Ford. Wouldn't be surprised if the GT get a power bump next year.
Design1stCode2nd 08-18-2008, 10:39 AM I expect to see a 400hp v-8 available for the 2010 refresh. No way Ford won't answer Chevy's 422hp SS. That rivalry goes back alot of years.
foxman 08-18-2008, 11:14 AM die retro die
devildog1679 08-18-2008, 11:38 AM A standard Mustang GT will eat the V6 Camaro for lunch in a strait line. The Camaro is heavier and the V6 wont have the power band of the Mustang.
Although, all that the public will see is matching peak 300hp numbers for both cars which is bad for news Ford. Wouldn't be surprised if the GT get a power bump next year.
Oh, yea I agree that the V6 won't keep up with the GT but like you said most people just see HP #'s.
I expect to see a 400hp v-8 available for the 2010 refresh. No way Ford won't answer Chevy's 422hp SS. That rivalry goes back alot of years.
A great rivalry it is. The one thing that Ford did better then Chevy in the war was developed a car that appealed to both men and women. You always see women driving Mustangs but you seldom ever saw women driving Camaros or even Firebirds. This was the downfall for Chevy, the same goes for the new Camaro. The looks keep it in manhood territory where it should be. In the end the Mustang will out sale the Camaro but performance wise the Mustang will never beat the Camaro.
YaXMaNGTO 08-18-2008, 07:34 PM Oh, yea I agree that the V6 won't keep up with the GT but like you said most people just see HP #'s.
A great rivalry it is. The one thing that Ford did better then Chevy in the war was developed a car that appealed to both men and women. You always see women driving Mustangs but you seldom ever saw women driving Camaros or even Firebirds. This was the downfall for Chevy, the same goes for the new Camaro. The looks keep it in manhood territory where it should be. In the end the Mustang will out sale the Camaro but performance wise the Mustang will never beat the Camaro.
I think you'll be surprised. Maybe it's just Texas, but there are still quite a few ladies driving V6 Camaros here. I think the new one will sell with women.
The V6 Camaro is nothing to laugh at. For comparison, the new CTS has the same direct injection 3.6L. The CTS does 0-60 in 5.8, and the quarter in 14.5 at 98. The CTS also weighs 230 lbs more. The LS Camaro will have 245's on the rear instead of 235's. It's unfortunate the Camaro has a 3.27:1 rear end to the CTS's 3.42:1, but the Camaro has a bit shorter gearing in the transmission. I guess they did that to target improved gas mileage.
I think it's reasonable to hope for a 5.7 0-60mph and it might click off a 14.3 in the quarter for one of the magazine tests. That's somewhat comparable to the current Mustang GT's 5.3 to 60 and 13.9 in the quarter. The GT will beat it, sure, but by a handful of car lengths... at least that's what I think.
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