Please limit your posts to single, punctual reasons. Let's try to get a real number of happy/unhappy campers.

What is your overall satisfaction with your RX-8?

Even with the issues (i.e. rough idle, low mileage - 13mpg) there are so many things I love about this car that I couldn't honestly vote anything less that "highly satisfied".

Highly satisfied, yes... totally satisfied, no. But then again, total satisfaction is a very rare ocurrence with me.

Totally satisfied. Have not loved a car this much since my '76 Datsun 280Z.

And it's not just the awesome handling and performance, or the georgeous looks, or the attention it gets, or the way it makes me love driving again. It's also ALL the little things... see this thread: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9437

The only complaint that I have is with the gas mileage, everything else I am satisfied with.

highly satisfied. the city MPG is 15-16 but highway is low 20's perfomance is awesome its faster than 6.7 seconds styling is exceptional inside and out.

I really wish right now I had a animated Gif of a stick beating a dead horse.

Originally posted by matt
I really wish right now I had a animated Gif of a stick beating a dead horse.

I think it makes total sense. And will make total sense in another 6 months probably as people stack up more miles.

Like others, I voted highly satisfied. I would say Totally Satisfied if mileage improved a bit. I get 16.7 no matter what I do or how I drive. I would be totally satisfied if this were above 18 or so.

As of my vote, the vote totalls were: Highly satisfied: 42, Somewhat satisfied: 2, Highly dissatisfied: 2.

With a ratio of 42:2 of highly satisfied to highly dissatisfied why is there so much negative pub on this server?? Proud owners speak out!

Originally posted by allstate
As of my vote, the vote totalls were: Highly satisfied: 42, Somewhat satisfied: 2, Highly dissatisfied: 2.

With a ratio of 42:2 of highly satisfied to highly dissatisfied why is there so much negative pub on this server?? Proud owners speak out!

In theory, the squeaky wheel is the one that gets the grease, right? Well, then what is going on?

1. The people that are having problems, don't even bother in voting.

or

2. There is a fraction of the people that are not satisfied with the RX-8 registered and lurking here. The rest are not paying attention...

or...

{someone help with this...I am lazy..}

I too voted highly satisfied. Would not have voted for totally satisfied for only two reasons... mileage (17 mpg on two tanks), and lack of automatic climate control.

Quality and sheer entertainment.
Except crawling along at 5mph on the A14 out of Cambridge...

I want to see serious voting volume here, c'mon everyone. What do you think?

Highly Satisfied - best vehicle I've ever owned.

**BUMP** I believe there is a lot more people here that is driving the car....and haven't cast their vote.

I was highly satisfied with my first one (except for the price), and I am highly satisfied with the second. Of course, if it had 200 more horse power, a front spoiler, and gullwing doors, I would be, like, totally satisfied, but, oops, sorry, wrong car. Better MPG would be nice, but I don't drive for fuel milage, I drive for fun.

Somewhat satisfied - after looking at my bank account

wanted to vote totally satisfied but will settle for highly satisfied.
I dont min hte low mpg cause it keeps the gas tank fill with fresh gas, and give people a chance to catchup to me when I am filling up the 8.

Highly satisfied!

No problems at all. Everything feels just right. It's got all the power that I will ever need for a street/road car. Handling couldn't be better. Styling catches your eyes and holds them there - inside & out. Compliments by total strangers all the time. (I was washing mine this afternoon & a 14 year old boy hollers from the street "nice car!" I never saw the kid before & didn't even see him before he shouted to me. Yes, I thanked him. He made my day!) Mod's are just now really getting good. I can imagine what kind of mod's will be available in a couple of years from now.
If this car doesn't get "car of the year", they're friggin' crazy!
My wife said something about not falling asleep while driving tonight. I replied "I can't. Not driving THIS car. Just no way."

And one day, I'm gonna see how the stereo sounds. :D

Originally posted by Racer X-8
My wife said something about not falling asleep while driving tonight. I replied "I can't. Not driving THIS car. Just no way."

And one day, I'm gonna see how the stereo sounds. :D

ive never been so in tune with a car than when driving the 8. if i push it it takes off and its getting stronger as i put more miles on it, handles like no other car ive ever owned and probabli ever will. i too use the stereo very little. too busy listening to that rotary whine.

...and my mileage is only 1 mpg less than with my V6 Acura.

S

Originally posted by RX8-TX
In theory, the squeaky wheel is the one that gets the grease, right? Well, then what is going on?

1. The people that are having problems, don't even bother in voting.

or...

{someone help with this...I am lazy..}

or:

I voted "Neutral"
The good things are great.

The bad things somewhat soured the experience so far.

I think the people who are unhappy are probably not on this forum any more, and a good few of them already returned their 8's.

Those if us who like the good things enough are sticking with it for it to get better.

LOVE THE CAR! I'm always looking for reasons to drive the thing. My girlfriend and I picked it up last night (11/20/03) and 24 hours later, we already racked up 180 miles on it!

I am very happy, my wife is very happy. Love the vehicle.

Whenever I am in my RX8 I have a big smile on my face! Can't say that is the case when driving my Jeep.

It is a very fun car to drive. Had an RX7 and the '8 beats it in fun to drive.

I LOVE IT! Highly Satisified

OK, take back anything negative I said yesterday.

Got my car back today after the engine was replaced.
Drove it back 170km to home.

I did not realize just how much i missed her..
How smooth it is on the highway.

I was breaking in the new engine, so took it pretty easy.

People kept pulling up to pass, then slowing down as they got next to it so they could look.

Next time it goes in for service they will have to put up with me sitting in it reading a book while they work.

I will not abandon it to strangers again.. {sniff}

Mostly sattisfied , exepting the power /torque issue and mileage .

Very happy with the car. However, (always gotta be a couple) Yeah, mileage could be better, ~18 mpg, (and could be worse, according to what I've read here!) and oil consumption could be lower. (~2200 mi./qt)

I was out of town for all of 3 days. In that time I thought of my woman, then my car, then my cats (they are pretty worthless, dont worry. They dont mind), then stuff.

I am highly satisfied with it. Every chance to drive is a good one. If I dont do 100 miles a day I feel unsatisfied :D

I feel somewhat ashamed that I'm being so hard on my RX-8 since I voted "somewhat dissatisfied". It's probably because my CEL is on after a power loss (possible misfire) @ 6000rpm, oil light problem, gas mileage subpar, and flooding caused my RX-8 to be extremely hard to start once.

To be fair, I've got an appointment with my dealer next week and it'll be my first visit. If the dealer fixes these problems, then I'll be a happy camper. I do love my RX-8 but I won't be happy until these problems are fixed. The $500 cash card and free maintenance for 4 yrs aren't enough to overcome the obvious problems the RX-8 rotary engine has. I feel all these problems are fixable. The oil light problem, which I learned about in this forum, requires a new oil pan (which I'm hoping my dealer already knows about), and I'm guessing the other problems may actually be symptoms of a single root cause (i.e. bad ECU programming as others have theorized).

I have personal interest in Mazda (and actually visted the Hiroshima plant several years ago) and hold them to a high standard. If I was a Mazda Rx-8 engineer, I'd be embarrassed to release a product with such obvious problems. It's unfortunate to have initial quality problems but it isn't uncommon, and I'm expecting Mazda to take responsibility for these problems and correct them.

Originally posted by l_doggy
I feel somewhat ashamed that I'm being so hard on my RX-8 since I voted "somewhat dissatisfied". It's probably because my CEL is on after a power loss (possible misfire) @ 6000rpm, oil light problem, gas mileage subpar, and flooding caused my RX-8 to be extremely hard to start once.

To be fair, I've got an appointment with my dealer next week and it'll be my first visit. If the dealer fixes these problems, then I'll be a happy camper. I do love my RX-8 but I won't be happy until these problems are fixed. The $500 cash card and free maintenance for 4 yrs aren't enough to overcome the obvious problems the RX-8 rotary engine has. I feel all these problems are fixable. The oil light problem, which I learned about in this forum, requires a new oil pan (which I'm hoping my dealer already knows about), and I'm guessing the other problems may actually be symptoms of a single root cause (i.e. bad ECU programming as others have theorized).

I have personal interest in Mazda (and actually visted the Hiroshima plant several years ago) and hold them to a high standard. If I was a Mazda Rx-8 engineer, I'd be embarrassed to release a product with such obvious problems. It's unfortunate to have initial quality problems but it isn't uncommon, and I'm expecting Mazda to take responsibility for these problems and correct them.

I'm sorry you have had a bad run in of luck with your 8. I hope all goes well. I'm assuming it's one of the first ones state side since you got the rebate and maintenance. I also respect the way you articulated your feelings about your car. Not like some people. "Car sucks...I want to take it back. It's not running 10 second quarter miles while giving me 50 MPG...The turbos aren't working..."

I really think that a few required fixes on a new car must really be expected. It's a $30k +/- car. This thing is a whole lotta stuff wrapped up into one neat & compact & very complicated package, that behaves very well as a car. Quite a marvel.

A few glitch fixes must be considered the norm here. I think that goes for whatever car you buy.

I once bought a Dodge mini-ram conversion van (custom caravan). It had a Sony stereo & it didn't work right. They must have come from reject pile somewhere, cuz I kept getting rejects over and over again. Finally the dealer said to go to Circuit City & get one like it or similar to it, at their cost & they'll put it in. That's what finally worked. And that was not the only thing with it, not by a long shot! I thought I would NEVER be free of that service department! It was all free, but MAN! WHAT a PAIN!!!

So, put everything in perspective on this matter. Get it fixed & good luck when you do. Everybody, just PLEASE don't come here & gripe about having to get some little glitch fixed for free. Please!

WOwee, looks like there's a lot of people who get bad gas mileage!

I'm neutral. Cant help wondering what I missed out on with the STI performance level. Hard to find dealer that will let you test drive both! Mileage isnt a factor. Love the syle and handling.

** BUMP **
One more time: Look like we are still missing a 'few' owners probably. Regardless, nobody should feel ashamed of voting dissatisfied in any way. Things happen, and maybe the car is not living upto your expectations. There is no fault at that (except that you might have to live with something you don't really like that much.)

In my case, I voted highly satisfied. Reasons: no other car (maybe Miata & S2K) are so much of a hoot to drive 'round. Practicality level, and features packaged together...have been seen on premium badged-cars until now.

Have had no problems so far, except (yes, I am one more) my mileage seems to be getting worse: 15~16 mpg mostly city driving. Went down from 17~18 mpg. That's my only gripe for now.

**BUMP**
C'mon people. Don't be lazy!

I am very happy
the car is beatiful and very fast when needed
I love the suspension also

Can we ask for a sticky on this thread at least for the next few months ?

So far (164 Total Votes) 21% of owners are less than Highly Satisfied with their 8s. This is, of course, based on the honesty and accuracy of the voters.

How many members go through the site everyday on average?

890 miles, Highly Satisfied. Best car I've had in a long time.:D

**BUMP** If this thread doesn't stay on top, quite some people will overlook it. Is there any chance to make it a sticky for 30 or so days. After that time any additional voting will become pretty much irrelevant.

**LAST BUMP**

so happy I could shit myself!

here's proof:

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14557

++dez;

I love the car!!

I'm kinda tossed up. Love the look of the car. Every where I go everyone is starting and pointing. Milage could be better but not a big issue. My main gripes are not enough torque and handling is kinda of crappy when I hit around 85-90mph. Don't know why? Everyone so far has told me they have great handling on their car but for some reason I feel it sways alot. A friend mentioned it could be the alignment. I heard of people going 100-155 but no complaints with the handling. Any comments??? Going to take it to the dealer to see what they say. Otherwise, I love the car.

Moderators, Thanks for making this a Sticky thread !

Anyone notice that as of today, 90% of owners are satisfied or hightly satisfied, and only 6% are dissatisfied? That speaks volumes.

My miliage is actually getting better and better...

Highly satisified. Only complaint is low MPG and low torque. Need supercharger!!

:D Very, very satisfied. I have had 0 problems, almost 5000 miles, gas mileage about 21 highway. Just a very happy camper.:D :D :D :D :D

So who won? :D

Total satisfaction, I especially like how the exhaust note the shriek of excitement from my 20 month old in the back make the whole thing sound like an F1

I too voted highly satisfied. Like most of the other comments GAS mileage is my only real beef with my new 'winning' blue RX8.

I love my green baby. She is sexy and fast

Highly satisfied. This car is an incredible value and a sheer joy to drive.

Extremely Satisfied, Gas Mileage 18/23, performance seems to have improved after the 2500 mile mark.
This car is incredible, I love it as much as my motorcycles! I never thought a car could be as cool as a bike, but here it is!

I have never had a car in which I was more initially satisfied with in my life, and as high as my expectations were, the car actually was far more comfortable, quiter and better built than I thought it would be. My mileage is fine with 18 MPG city mileage and as far as I am concerned, good pick-up with truly world class handling. Everything as advertised.

I thought this might be interesting to some folks. I've been keeping track of fuel consumption since my second fill up.

And distance drove through time....


I would like to add: notice the last data point on the graph, is a roadtrip made from Dallas to Shreveport (yeah baby!) of around 200 miles one way. The resulting mileage is averaging highway speeds of 75mph, with some (lots of) incursions beyond for passing purposes.

And a little spreadsheet with the actual data...

Love the car to death, I clean it every time I park it in the garage. Gas mileage is an issue, but I'm only got about 600 miles on the car, so from what I hear it will get better. Other than that, this car is wonderful!

Originally posted by matt
I really wish right now I had a animated Gif of a stick beating a dead horse.

Down Alpo!!! Down!!! :D

whoa,
nice jump in MPG for you RX8-TX, what made the difference ?

I voted highly satisfied and I don't even have the car anymore.

The car oozes style inside and out - I miss getting a thumbs up from the drivers of M3s and Porsches and S2000s and VWs and SUVs and pickup trucks and...

Originally posted by Smoker
whoa,
nice jump in MPG for you RX8-TX, what made the difference ?

A trip down to Shreveport....almost 200 miles one way of highway.

best car i have ever driven or owned. highly satisfied!

highly satisfied, no problems at all, amazing driving experience, gas mileage 17-21mpg, usually between 18-20

Highly satisfied except for my 14 mpg and my inability to find snow tires anywhere in the country.

Originally posted by LesPaul
Highly satisfied except for my 14 mpg and my inability to find snow tires anywhere in the country. Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2446406089&category=33745 . They're out there!

Pelucidor,

Nice thoughts, good luck with the G35. It was the last car standing when I was choosing between the two, ultimately I found the Maxda "more of a driver's car" when making my decision and have been "Most pleased" with my choice.

Kevin

The closer and closer it gets to me buying my 8 the better I feel with the responses from you guys/ladies. Soon enough I will be able to add my "highly satisfied" vote to the poll. Damn, playing the waiting game is tough. Maybe if I didn't spend every free minute on this forum it would be easier. Nah, what fun would that be. :-)

Highly Satisfied, the car is impressive on so many levels.

Gas mileage is poor, I have recorded mileage since inception; I have 7,500 miles so far (80-85% city driving).

Thanks, Omicron. By the time I got there they were gone for $380 each!!!

Originally posted by LesPaul
Thanks, Omicron. By the time I got there they were gone for $380 each!!! You betcha. Keep an eye on eBay or send a message to that seller to see if he has any more. Seems to me I heard somewhere he had 400+ sets of tires, so it's possible he has more and just hasn't relisted them.

I would've been highly satisfied if not for the MPG. Unfortunately I do a lot of city driving and my full tank doesn't quite last me the week. My M3 gave me better MPG than my RX-8 does:eek:

I have looked at Discount Tire Co. As well as a few other places. Most will Send you the tires via UPS. You can pick up 17" wheels for around $90/per wheel (these are not cheap steel rims) and you can purchase your choice of Snow tire to be placed on them ranging between $115-$215/per tire. Mounting and balancing is about $45-50 for the whole thing. Why pay so much for just tires when you can do a wheel package and get more for your buck. Also you don't have to worry about hurting your beautiful summer wheels. And as an added bonus you won't have to pay twice a year for mounting and balancing. Depending on where you live I am sure that you can find a good tire company that will give you a good deal. And to help you with 17" tire sizes here is the Mazda Miata tire size calculator: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html . This should help quite a bit :cool: . Good luck.

Awesome brakes, 19/21 mpg, nice handling, good acceleration, great fit & finish, comfortable, turns heads. I could continue but it is past my bedtime....

Originally posted by RX8-TX
Please limit your posts to single, punctual reasons. Let's try to get a real number of happy/unhappy campers.

What is your overall satisfaction with your RX-8?

everytime i walk towards my spacepug and think about getting in and driving it ... i feel like i've been transported into somebody else's wonderful life. even with all the minor headaches it has caused in 6 weeks, i give it an enthusiastic WHOO-HOO!!

-BSG
:)

Extremely satisfied!! I love my car; Titanium Silver 6 Speed. One set back though, I had to take it in to my dealer @ 1200 miles cuz "#2 cylinder misfired". Got it back & it's all good. Only car I've actually & truly loved.

Ps....RX8club is a cool way to see/read what other people think about the RX8. I've enjoyed reading everyones comments both the positive/negative.

I had to take it in to my dealer @ 1200 miles cuz "#2 cylinder misfired".

???????

Highly satisfied. Very nice balanced car with great dynamics. With another 50HP it would be a real weapon, some (not me) might say dangerous.

Yeah my #2 cylinder misfired as well. I have also noticed that my valve timing is off and that my turbo boost pressure doesn't build up until around 6,600 rpms giving me serious turbo lag. I took it to the dealership and they said that they don't warranty this kind of work. Please vegas RX-8 could you tell me how you were able to get the work done? I took my car to a local import shop but they said they don't know how to work on my car and its special configuration ;) . Anyone else experiencing problems with their cylinders, valves, turbos or maybe even cams????

I posted somewhat satisfied, as the gas mieage has been 12-14. I know I love redline, but I have done several highway trips at 70, and I still got 15 as my record. That isn;t even up to the EPA abound town mileage. Other than that, and not starting ONCE, I love the car. Since I have other cars, I just drive it for fun, and the others for errands, that helps out the gas mileage in total.

Man! I am surprised at some of the low MPG numbers I hear about on this forum! I get 19/21 MPG no matter how I drive. If I got 12-14 or even 15-16 I would be all over my Service Manager to find out what is wrong. Maybe there is a sensor or computer problem???

Originally posted by 93rdcurrent
... Anyone else experiencing problems with their cylinders, valves, turbos or maybe even cams???? Yeah, can't find 'em. (Can't feel or hear 'em either.) :confused: Aw, gee darn!

(I take it the quotation marks meant that it didn't make any sense to you either, vegas RX8?)

Originally posted by 93rdcurrent
Yeah my #2 cylinder misfired as well. I have also noticed that my valve timing is off and that my turbo boost pressure doesn't build up until around 6,600 rpms giving me serious turbo lag. I took it to the dealership and they said that they don't warranty this kind of work. Please vegas RX-8 could you tell me how you were able to get the work done? I took my car to a local import shop but they said they don't know how to work on my car and its special configuration ;) . Anyone else experiencing problems with their cylinders, valves, turbos or maybe even cams????

OK, just in case some one really didn;t get this, The RX-8 is a rotary. There is NO cam or turbo(factory). For that matter, it doesn't have valves or cylinders in the normal sense. It has two rotors !

Originally posted by markfw
OK, just in case some one really didn;t get this, The RX-8 is a rotary. There is NO cam or turbo(factory). For that matter, it doesn't have valves or cylinders in the normal sense. It has two rotors !

How 'bout a timing belt? Doesn't it even have one of those?

I think somebody just got successfully tweaked. As long as you guys are going to react, somebody's going to do it to you!!! :D

I'm voting somewhat satisfied. This is the first new car I ever bought where I couldn't beat the epa numbers by driving it the way my dad drove his Olds. Not even close. I'm also annoyed at the brainless idiots who came up with the tire repair kit INSTEAD of an honest to God spare tire (at least I can fix that one...)

It's also too quiet, too fun, too attractive, too fast, too sexy, and it's causing me way too much grief at home because my wife wants to drive it and leave me with the @%&#*#$! Expedition.

Oh yeah. The Power Steering leaks. (just kidding, reply not required)

Satisfied, yeah... if I won a million bucks... I'd buy 6 more!

I am very satisfied, but then I upgraded from a Honda Civic to this. From viewing these boards for a few months, it appears that the only "highly" unsatisfied people are the hardcore gearheads, IMHO.

OK, there are 13 votes for "Highly Dissatisfied", yet there are NO posts from any of these folks. They took the time to vote, but no input on the problems?

I guess they don't want us to know who they are. Which means, it looks like we can throw most of these votes out, as they are probably from trolls, non-owners, trouble makers, etc...

2 weeks so far and I am loving it... Very satisified.. only one slight problem and that was a low tire pressure..

cheers!

Originally posted by jonalan
OK, there are 13 votes for "Highly Dissatisfied", yet there are NO posts from any of these folks. They took the time to vote, but no input on the problems?

I guess they don't want us to know who they are. Which means, it looks like we can throw most of these votes out, as they are probably from trolls, non-owners, trouble makers, etc...

That would be even more innacurate. However, even considering the Dissatisfied Votes:

Satisfied @ some level: 90.49%
Dissatisfied @ some level: 6.69%
N/A: 2.82%

From those Satisfied @ some level:
Highly Satisfied: 78.87%
Somewhat Satisfied: 11.62%

From those Dissatisfied:
Highly Dissatisfied: 4.58%
Somewhat Dissatisfied: 2.11%

This is out of a total of: 284 VOTES as of 12/11/2003 (1:39pm CST)

All in all: WHERE THE HECK ARE THE REST OF THE MEMBERS?
:D

Markfw.... I know it's a rotary engine... so CHILL!! I don't understand the explanation from the dealer. But they stick to their guns about it and they say that's the code/explanation they got from mazda tech support. They did fix it and it's running great.

Racer X-8 got the quotation marks. Nice.

93rdCurrent... I just took it back to my dealer & they first said nothing was wrong w/ it. I took it back the next morning after the check engine light flashed. I suggest taking it back to the dealer.

Vegas RX8,
I recommend that you call Mazda USA about this because there are no cylinders and I wouldn't trust a dealer that gave that as an answer. I would also take it to a different dealer if possible for their explanation. Something doesn't sound right to me at all. Let us know what you find out. It may be that your dealer is not so reputable (like any of us have ever heard of that happening before).

I am very satisfied with my 8.

However, I have 3 items that I wish for improvment:
1. Power - It's a matter of time before I get Canzommer's ECU piggy back + intake + exhaust.
2. Gas Mileage - Hope Mazda will do something about it and soon.
3. Engine Flood - I am making every effort to avoid this but don't like it a bit:mad:

Other than that, I think the 8 rocks!!!

OK...my turn

Let me say that I am HIGHLY SATISFIED with my RX8.. and yeah, as much as I would like to complain about the gas milage, my 95 Z-28 was just as bad and I have gotten more "envious stares" in the three months I have owned it than in ANY car I have ever owned. If you buy a performance car, gas milage is one of the things you sometimes have to deal with.

The one thing that bothers me is that Mazda charges ungodly amounts of money for upgrades that in my opinion should be a standard part of the car, such as rotary accents, strakes, and an mp3 player that should be the standard CD player.

Ok.. the RX-8 itself i am MORE than highly satisfied with... but I had to spend 1800 bucks more to get it that way =P

Originally posted by flyboyindy
and an mp3 player that should be the standard CD player.


No kidding. WTF? There was the MP3 Protege... why not just put the MP3-capable head in the RX8 to start?

Annoying.

I am so satisfied with this car, even with all the negatives on the forums and my test drives with the G35 6 M.T. sedan, Acura TL, Saab 9.3, that after my second test drive with the RX8 and my wifes permission, I ordered a titanium 6 M.T. with aero, I think it's the most fun car that I can think of and while the other cars might be a bit classier and offer more room, none of them put a smile on my face like the RX8 and I think this car will do this day in and day out!

Originally posted by SQ88
I am very satisfied with my 8.

3. Engine Flood - I am making every effort to avoid this but don't like it a bit:mad:

Other than that, I think the 8 rocks!!!

After your car has been driven a while...you tried putting it in park, engage the E-brake, tapping the accelerator so the revs goes up to 3000 RPM or so and shutting the engine off as the revs come back down?

voted highly satisfied

I have only owned the car for two weeks and am breaking it in pretty carefully. Got 17.5 mpg on first tank (who knows if the dealer really topped it off) and 19.2 on the second tank. there were a lot of hwy miles on both.

This is the first time that I have ever bought a first year production vehicle in over 30 years of buying cars. I watched this site for about a month before purchasing. I have concerns regarding long term reliability and crashworthiness but felt pretty confident because I owned an 84 Mazda 626 and had a very good ownership experience with it.

Time will tell, but right now everything is great. The car was delivered virtually defect free - the only "broke" item was that one of the rubber nipples for the flip up door on the center console was torn off - probably by the kid that removed all the plastic protective sheets. The throwout bearing is a little louder than I would like while sitting in neutral, but I will wait to see if it quiets down with some more miles.

:)

This may be a dumb question but I had to ask.

Does the RX8 have an optional MP3 player?? Or do u have to buy one as aftermarket?
Thanks

Originally posted by Speed_racer
This may be a dumb question but I had to ask.

Does the RX8 have an optional MP3 player?? Or do u have to buy one as aftermarket?
Thanks Yes, it does. (http://accessories.mazdausa.com/accessories/images/brochures/2004_RX8_AccessoryBrochure.pdf) (page 5 of 9)

MP3 Player GJ6B-79-AGXB
MP3 Player Trim Panel F151-79-BGX

this car stinks!!!

and so do your posts. bye bye now.

"Well", I finaly got my new RX8, It's a Titanium GT M.T. with black leather and aero kit. I had the car 2 days now, so it,s too early to find problems though, even if I didn't drive it yet, it's like that commercial where the guy gets up in the middle of night, opens the garage door and just stares at his car, "yep" that's me. My other positive coments are, the car fits like a glove almost like it's and extension of you, the handling is out of this world, i'ts very easy to drive at low and high R.P.M.s I have not quite burned a half tank of fuel and I have 177 miles, it offers a very comfortable ride and is quiet enough for it's sporting nature, and last but not least it is the best looking car that I ever seen, the looks that people have when I drive down the street are very entertaining, mouths agape, bulging eyes,although thats not the only reason that drove me to purchase it. Overall I am extremely satisfied!

In addition to my post above, and I am not a Mazda rep and I'm not getting anything out of this ( I used S-plan) but, I just want to add that John Jenkins at Delray Mazda has been a pleasure and he is the consummate professional, I recommend anyone in the South Florida area that wants to buy a Mazda go see him, Honest, pressure free, and repeat customers are his forte. They are by far the best dealership I have experienced.

Originally posted by JimW
I( I used S-plan)

I was under the impression that S-Plan wasn't avaliable for the RX-8 yet.. how much did it run ya? =)

Originally posted by JimW
"Well", I finaly got my new RX8, It's a Titanium GT M.T. with black leather and aero kit. Mega congrats, Jim! :D

Originally posted by JimW
[B... I have not quite burned a half tank of fuel and I have 177 miles. [/B] Yeah...congrats! Your comments, like "the car fits like a glove almost like it's and extension of you" and a few others, are right on!
I only have to question your mileage quote... uh, nah...can't be. Is that 177 since the dealer topped-up the tank for the sale? I truly hope you're right, but 400 miles per tank is pretty high. Typical is between 250 & 300.

The gas milage is the only disappointment, but I kind of knew it would be that way going in.

Originally posted by Racer X-8
Yeah...congrats! Your comments, like "the car fits like a glove almost like it's and extension of you" and a few others, are right on!
I only have to question your mileage quote... uh, nah...can't be. Is that 177 since the dealer topped-up the tank for the sale? I truly hope you're right, but 400 miles per tank is pretty high. Typical is between 250 & 300.


This happened to me about three weeks ago- my husband got just over 170 miles and the tank was still over the halfway mark. Haven't been able to duplicate it, so I'll have to sit down and see what he does next time he drives it. Of course, I destroyed the rest of the tank, and only managed 250 some miles before I decided to fill it up. Got just under 14mpg on my last tank, though.

Thanks Omicron, Racer X-8. my bad on the mileage, I was so excited I couldn't think straight (kinda like Beavis on a sugar rush), it was 127 miles. Yes, Mazda allowed for S-plan pricing(invoice) on the RX8 last month. $ 30,900 out the door- 6 M.T. GT, aero pkg, and spoiler. MSRP was $ 33,000 for this car, not including taxes.

Wow....I hope that's true. I work for Ford Motor Co., and have been dreaming about getting an RX-8 since probably a year before they became available. When I went to test drive one, I fell in love with it, but was told that A-plan wasn't available on it. As a Ford employee I'm only aware of AXZ plans for vehicle purchases. Is the S plan what is available thru someone working for Mazda?

Anyway...the main thing stopping me from buying the RX-8 was the inability to get the discount price. And also nervousness about buying any first year production car.

I'm gonna call the local Mazda dealer in the morning and ask about the availability of employee discounts again.

If you go to the Ford X plan web site and pick up your PIN code you will see that S plan is what Maxda calls X plan. S plan comes out to a small fractional percent lower than invoice.

Rx8 has been available on S plan since June when the S plan price list was published.

Don't leave your house until you get a commitment from the S plan administrator at the dealership that the dealer will provide S plan on the 8.

Just finished my 1st road trip. 600 miles round-trip. Finally got 20+ MPG (20.56 was the best). The car was very comfortable and handeled well under modest snow/ice conditions in Yosemite. Low pressure warning came on the first cold morning. The sensors are very sensetive. The Mazda air pump showed 18 csi all around. Filling to 22 csi set things right.
Be careful reading the gauge correctly. At first I thought the gauge read 18 PSI. If I had tried to get that needle to 30, I would have certainly blown something up!
My Nordic Green got filthy in the slush. Zanio did a great job when I got home and washed it up.

Yeah, that is a good answer Beachdog, some Mazda dealers might not want to give S-plan pricing, so please check, especially if they are selling those cars like hot cakes! Before I bought my car I went to another dealer just to test drive, they were much closer, and they informed me that they would honor S-plan, after all the paper work was done, they were about $50.00 a month higher, so I walked out and I bought my car at Delray.

Now let me see?

A car that has had kids bowing to it on the pavement, gorgeous blonde in BMW giving me the thumbs up and a smile, has had me talking to 20 strangers about it of every age over the past two weeks, goes like stink, people leaping out of the way on the motorway when they see me coming, and sounds like that from 7000 to 9000 RPM ....

Hell ... this is fun!

After having the car around at the dealership for a little bit now here are my thoughts............ The car is not selling like it should. There is alot of interest in the car, but no one is seeing the practicality in the car. People who have purchased the car are not seeking performance, they are looking for the appearence! (well the majority) This car is one of the most rigid and well handling vehicles on the road. I think that the main driving complaints are the fishtailing and the lack of torque.(I work at a BMW VW MB Porshe dealership) If you drive like me turning of the traction contl. is a must! Hands down this is the best value in a car I have seen in a very long time! People who drive 911's usually walk over and take an RX-8 for a spin! The ride is unbelievable, the handling is so precise, there is no wind noise when the MR open, the rotary is a blast to drive, the seats are comfortable as hell, the styling is unique, you have room for four, the gearbox is tight, you could put this car on a track anyday, you can go 120 MPH comfortably, and the chicks dig it! Did I mention the value! Well equipped at 31,000! WHAT ELSE COULD YOU ASK FOR?!? EVERY CAR ENTHUSIUST WHO STEPS IN THIS CAR LOVES IT! Maybe there aren't enough enthusiust out there, resulting in the sluggish sales? I demo this car every other night and I am in love with it, oh yeah and it hugs me!

S- plan anyday in Milwaukee--- cheap shipping anywhere in the US Have a huge stock.... sorry moderators I couldnt resist! I want to give these people who are on the fence a push..... oh yeah invoice too! Snow is coming!

I couldn't agree more, MazdaSalesMario. It is a very well made car, I was surprised coming from a 2003 Accord EXV6, just how well made the interior and exterior of thr RX8 is. This car exceeds in performance with just about every car I owned or tested, I love it, and yes I wish it was faster, it looks like it should be and it would probably sell a heck of a lot more cars if it were, and It was practical enough for me and I have a wife and 2 kids, ages 6 and 10. If it weren't for the extra doors and seats I wouldn't be driving in one now! Now as far as sales go, I dont understand and it's probably why I'm not a salesman, but when I drove it to my house and work for the first time everyone was floored and said "wow", nice car, what is it? Maybe some more advertisement is in order?

2,800 miles now and absolutely nothing has gone wrong. This is the first car I've owned that has not had something, even very minor, that had to be fixed by the dealer. I'm not satisfied, I'm ecstatic!

I gave the car "somewhat satisfied." Don't get me wrong, I love the 8, but I hate the packages. Touring/GT was not an option to me because of my height, and that meant I didn't even have a CHOICE to get leather/homelink mirror, etc etc.

Great car.....Bad Bose......no highs no lows it must be Bose!

Would you be a satisfied customer if they had to drop a new engine in yours?

Originally posted by TWTXRX8
Would you be a satisfied customer if they had to drop a new engine in yours?

I wouldn't...did you get to go through it?

Originally posted by MazdaSalesMario
After having the car around at the dealership for a little bit now here are my thoughts............ The car is not selling like it should. There is alot of interest in the car, but no one is seeing the practicality in the car. People who have purchased the car are not seeking performance, they are looking for the appearence! (well the majority) This car is one of the most rigid and well handling vehicles on the road. I think that the main driving complaints are the fishtailing and the lack of torque.(I work at a BMW VW MB Porshe dealership) If you drive like me turning of the traction contl. is a must! Hands down this is the best value in a car I have seen in a very long time! People who drive 911's usually walk over and take an RX-8 for a spin! The ride is unbelievable, the handling is so precise, there is no wind noise when the MR open, the rotary is a blast to drive, the seats are comfortable as hell, the styling is unique, you have room for four, the gearbox is tight, you could put this car on a track anyday, you can go 120 MPH comfortably, and the chicks dig it! Did I mention the value! Well equipped at 31,000! WHAT ELSE COULD YOU ASK FOR?!? EVERY CAR ENTHUSIUST WHO STEPS IN THIS CAR LOVES IT! Maybe there aren't enough enthusiust out there, resulting in the sluggish sales? I demo this car every other night and I am in love with it, oh yeah and it hugs me!

My guess as to why it doesn't sell like it should: It gets unbelievable trash talking by dealers of cross-shopped vehicles. I'm sure they go on and on about how you're lucky to get 80K out of a rotary engine, they flood all the time, the HP is down, etc.

It's very hard to get the truth out when all of the competition spews the same BS. Also, the rotary is different than everything on the road, and people fear what they do not know. Too bad for them... they don't know what they're missing!

I let you know in 2 weeks when i get mine..:) but i am very happy with what i seen from now....

Originally posted by khoney
My guess as to why it doesn't sell like it should: It gets unbelievable trash talking by dealers of cross-shopped vehicles. I'm sure they go on and on about how you're lucky to get 80K out of a rotary engine, they flood all the time, the HP is down, etc.

It's very hard to get the truth out when all of the competition spews the same BS. Also, the rotary is different than everything on the road, and people fear what they do not know. Too bad for them... they don't know what they're missing!

khoney, I think that you are giving the dealers too much credit.

No offense to the dealers out there that are knowledgeable, but after visiting two different dealers in my area, it was clear that these people had no clue about the product that they were selling. They couldn't answer any questions accurately and kept telling me that everything was an extra cost option despite the fact that it was included in the GT package that I was buying.

Buyers of a car like the RX8 get their information from the trade publications, friends and web sites like this one.

Mazda could do a lot more to promote this car. My number one hesitation before buying was the first year of production of a totally new design. Mazda should be taking a page from the Hyundai book and offering ten year 100k warranty. The RX8 is a great car and it is reasonably priced but the fear factor will keep the sales low.

Mazda's forte' for years has been to bring very well thought-out, feature rich cars that are well-built to the marketplace, and they're not afraid to be a little different -- very unusual given the Japanese psyche. I've had Mazdas as my primary car for 23 years, and rotaries for 17 of the 23, so I'm obviously sold on them.

Blissfull of monkey with swank. ie, it's up to swankmonkey standards ;)

Highly Satified.

13 city 16 highway (only issue)

I thought I'd post a little update from my mileage a month ago with my fuel consumption.

Observations:

1. Best MPG to-date was 20.31 mpg after a 234 mile roadtrip. Most of it was driving highway, 55~... mph

2. Worst MPG to-date was 13.72 mpg after a lead-footed week! -alright, just kidding. I don't know if its my driving, the weather or the gas: I've been getting pretty disspair calculations lately. If you pay attention to the last crest, and how its falls....it's weird.

3. Even with my crappy mpg's and doing mostly city, short-trip commutes to work (30~46 miles driven a day) I am averaging 16.3 mpgs.

4. 90% of my fill-ups are @ a Shell station. Always 93oct. unleaded.

5. Curious improvements in MPG were observed after fill-ups @ Exxon & RaceTrac(??).

Oooh! OK!

I'm assuming "distance" is miles driven between fill-ups?

Not really needed, but charting "Gallons" on there too would confirm it all (to me at least :) ).

Originally posted by Racer X-8
Oooh! OK!

I'm assuming "distance" is miles driven between fill-ups?

Not really needed, but charting "Gallons" on there too would confirm it all (to me at least :) ).

mmmm....I much rather change the graph for the excel spreadsheet. Now I know why I've been keeping all the charts separate: its a mess to analyze them visually.
Once I get home, I'll upload the spreadhseet itself.

And, YES: distance is miles driving between fill-ups.

Here we go, charts included.....

This car is AMAZING. Easy to drive and the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

And everytime I look at it I realize its the most beautiful japanese car ever built.

Originally posted by RX8-TX
Here we go, charts included..... I took your file & added your "gallons pumped" to the chart. (I'm not sure if it says anything, but, here it is...)

Originally posted by Racer X-8
I took your file & added your "gallons pumped" to the chart. (I'm not sure if it says anything, but, here it is...)

Thanks Racer! you have better excel skills than I do. I tried to plug everything on the same chart and came out to be a mess. Its really neat in order to visually analyze mileage.....dependant on weather (season at least) and other factors that could be plugged in. Ahhhhhhh, the beauty of factual / statistical analysis (which I don't know how to do!)

You're so very welcome. :)

I picked up a trick from you in doing it also. That comment that you added to the one date cell about your service / oil change...I didn't know what that red corner was until I put the cursor over it...cuel! I'm gonna use that a lot!

Later!

What a sweet ride!!! A vehicle like no other in the world for drivers who appreciate the efforts of a few engineers striving to let those fortunate enough to experience their results, drive with an oh so unique smile.

Originally posted by derwankel
What a sweet ride!!! A vehicle like no other in the world for drivers who appreciate the efforts of a few engineers striving to let those fortunate enough to experience their results, drive with an oh so unique smile.

gosh, i just couldn't agree more!! i was on vacation and coudn't drive my baby, spacepug, for 2 weeks. got in him yesterday, and remembered all over again how fun he is to drive!

-BSG
:D

No problems yet, immensely enjoyable, mileage poor but expected.

OK, I don't have one... yet.

Not trying to talk out of place either on the forum or on this thread. I just read thru the postings and wanted to add my .02.

My main concern about NOT buying one was the initial model year glitches. The VW I had had, while not a new model year, was a total lemon and the thoughts of a problematic car were more than I could deal with. My VW only made it a year and a half before I bent over, took the loss, and moved on.

Mazda USA needs to market this car better/more/whatever.

Mazda USA needs to offer a 100k/10y warranty. Period.

And just so you folks don't think I'm a total butt:

Rotaries Rock!!!!


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IMHO, the number one thing Mazda needs to address is the size of the fuel tank.

Most SUV drivers don't care if they only get 12 MPG if they have a 25 - 30 gallon tank.

I know the Gen. II RX-7 had a larger tank; I don't know about Gen. III.

Other than that, the spare tire situation is a joke; the can of fix-a-flat and compressor is silly, and the spare tire kit eats up most of the trunk room.

I also have to admit that I have been on the fence for a long while, and the thought of having to have the car towed to the dealer if I accidentally stall it backing it out of the driveway is not really a point in its favor...

I've jumped to the end of this thread, so I may repeat what's been said:
First, I love this car. It's a blast to drive.
The rear seats are great! The view from the driver's seat is perfect. The engine is sweet and fun to rev. The handling is quick and confident. The shifter is crisp and light. The styling is eye catching and unique.

But it is the first year and it is not perfect. So my suggestiosn are:

The gas mileage is still poor at 2400mi, there should a fix for that or at least two modes to the ECU programming: economy & sport

The center console needs a new design: the cup holders are too far back, the sliding cover is too flimsy, the seat heater switches need to be repositioned (I often accidentally switch it on with my arm).

The power trunk release is too low under the dash.

The arm rest is too low (but I like the door bin space).

The rear visibility takes some getting use to (after my smaller Miata)

A little less bling-bling in the headlight and taillight treatment

The red-line buzzer needs to be louder or repositioned

The radio is fine, but could be more standard to allow greater owner flexilbility.

And...we could always use the 9Hp back :-)

I just clocked in with a "somewhat satisfied" vote.

First the absolutely outstanding stuff (in no particular order):
- handling
- braking
- power
- styling
- reliability
(4000 miles w/o an issue and I am a very picky person)
- small conveniences
(remote trunk release, homelink mirror, etc)
- interior space
- TRUNK SPACE (the RX-8 replaced my Miata)
- world's smoothest shifting manual transmission
- minimal oil consumption for a rotary

Next, the not so great stuff that really doesn't matter to me:
- version 1.0 bugs (mpg, flooding)
- rear visibility
- leather "trimmed" interior (vs full leather)
- packaging (no homelink w/o a sunroof, etc)
- rear passenger ability to see outside
- trunk release button placement
- no auto-off for trunk light
- no automatic door lock/unlock
(too many damn buttons to hit getting in and out of the car)
- non-adjustable clutch pedal and/or non-telescoping steering wheel
- cramped ingress/egress for short driver


Finally the stuff that bugs me (totally personal opinion)
- it won't do 0 to 60 in under 6 sec
(not that this is something I do regularly)
- not holding its resale value
- instrument clutter (not misspelled)

Bottom line is that I really like the car (despite what is said in the last section) but I am not "in love" with it. My Miata and even my Gen-1 RX-7 seemed to "fit" me from day one (or at least that is how I remember it). I also felt that they took care of me. I don't have that feeling with the 8 yet. It will probably come with time.

So far im pretty happy. I am not the best standard driver, but im still getting the gas milage I have expected. I expect it to go up as I stop sucking :). The seats are comfterble and I love the looks I get as I drive by. The car is fun to drive, and that is what I really wanted. Everything else is just a plus.

OK, 3 weeks in. 470 miles total. 16.2 MPG in "city".
Had a CEL at 165 miles - bad oil metering pump. Dealer took one off another car, back on the road same day. Told me to forget babying it and "drive it like you stole it". Haven't had the smile off my face since. I posted earlier that first you fall in lust with this car, and love comes later. I think I'm in love now. And my grandkids think I'm the coolest dude around. Highly satisified.

This car has issues. i called mazda about the mpg an for best mpg they told me to shifted before 2500 RPM's. and the clutche isn't strong enough to handle the RPM's on the down shitf and my trany went out and i've only had this car for two months and it's been in the shop for 3 weeks already.

Originally posted by rot8n
This car has issues. i called mazda about the mpg an for best mpg they told me to shifted before 2500 RPM's. and the clutche isn't strong enough to handle the RPM's on the down shitf and my trany went out and i've only had this car for two months and it's been in the shop for 3 weeks already.

jez -- that's rotten luck!!!
sorry to hear about that.
good luck to you in the new year.
it can only get better from here, huh?

-BSG

Somewhat dissatisfied--they need to fix the flooding issue. It's happened to me twice this week even following the dealer instructions. In my opinion this is a major design flaw and I'm not happy about it.

Worst vehicle that i have ever owned. Pray everyday that the car starts. Service department awful with the flooding issue. Have met with the sales manager about trying to push for a buyback or close to it. A blue G35 coupe 6 speed is going to be delivered to the local Infiniti dealership and has my name on it if I can dump this.

Originally posted by rieskame
Worst vehicle that i have ever owned. You're 22, right? Shuh. Six years of being legally licensed. Whoo! You were still sucking on your momma's titties when my main steed was a '73 Fiat 124 Sport Spider which I bought new when I was your age, just like the way you bought your 8.

1 month of a minor problem, like not being able to understand how not to flood this rotary engine & you want to jump to the next car, which, guess what?...you won't like it even as much.

See ya, looser!

Originally posted by Racer X-8
You're 22, right? Shuh. Six years of being legally licensed. Whoo! You were still sucking on your momma's titties when my main steed was a '73 Fiat 124 Sport Spider which I bought new when I was your age, just like the way you bought your 8.

1 month of a minor problem, like not being able to understand how not to flood this rotary engine & you want to jump to the next car, which, guess what?...you won't like it even as much.

See ya, looser!

Racer, c'mon. Respect the guys opinion. That's what this thread's for. I, on the other hand, still have to manage to flood mine. In my opinion, it's not a matter of knowledge, it's a matter of willignness. Are you willing to warm-up your car before shutting it down? Are you gonna make sure it has reached operating tempertature if you only had to move it a notch because of an annoying neighbour asking you to move out of their property line? Are you willing to walk to the restaurant next block not to move your car and have to wait for it to warm up again?

There are several reasons one can end up being fed up by such 'rotary treat.' For what its worth, I don't mind: the car is rewarding to drive despite all its flaws. I drive the same car all of you are driving, although there are several different opinions about it. Why? to each its own.

Have a good one!

RX8-TX, I hear ya, but,,,

I'm respecting his opinion about as far as I can. The kid is writing like he's some kind of authority on cars. He's just finally grown himself a full crop of underarm hair. For crying out loud... A person's gotta know from whom the story is written. On this forum, his bantering carries as much weight as Mario Andretti, if he were a forum member. Know what I'm saying? We gotta keep things in perspective here...at least try just a little.

Racer - Don't agree with you at all. 22 years old and already has enough maturity to know that flooding cars is not normal in this day and age, and makes no bones about it. When I was 22 I would have grit my teeth and stuck through a bad decision. I haven't flooded - yet - but if it happens I'll probably be saying much the same stuff. A $30k car shouldn't do stupid things like flood. This is an engineering defect. reiskame is calling it as he sees it - well - maybe with just a touch of internet-standard hyperbole.

Originally posted by bernieunger
Racer - Don't agree with you at all. 22 years old and already has enough maturity to know that flooding cars is not normal in this day and age, and makes no bones about it. When I was 22 I would have grit my teeth and stuck through a bad decision. I haven't flooded - yet - but if it happens I'll probably be saying much the same stuff. A $30k car shouldn't do stupid things like flood. This is an engineering defect. reiskame is calling it as he sees it - well - maybe with just a touch of internet-standard hyperbole.

Darn it to all of you...I am just a tad over 22...23 to be precise. And while I am no authority or expert in the field (nor any field for that matter) I believe we all have common sense. I am new to rataries, and, while I knew about apex seals (most 'in'famous subject about rotaries from what I've heard) I had no idea about engine flooding. In other words, I had no idea what all the kinks of a rotary where until I started hanging 'round here. I don't regret the decission at all...maybe will talk about it later on (with 100K miles in the odometer..) but for now, I am a happy camper.

We will have to wait and see...at least, I know what I am running for. Others might not have been that lucky. In all, PEACE!

OK, well, I can't say I'm suprised at a couple of people who disagree. (Especially the younger set, and I sympathize with that emotion.) But it's posts like those of rieskame that make the RX-8 look like an incompetant POS. Go back and read it again.

That's my only problem here, cuz it's definitely not a POS at all. I would be bashing the car too if everybody was flooding all the time, all over the place. It's not. Mine hasn't flooded at all. A large majority (7 out of 8, last time I looked at the poll) have not flooded at all, and most who have flooded theirs understand what they did wrong and won't let it happen again.

Those who refuse to learn are bound to re-live the situation. It won't not happen just because you spent $30k and don't think a $30k car shouldn't make you do anything special to maintain it. If someone would consider that fact as a reason to place it in the POS category, well, fine. Everybody has an opinion.

Originally posted by Racer X-8
OK, well, I can't say I'm suprised at a couple of people who disagree. (Especially the younger set, and I sympathize with that emotion.) But it's posts like those of rieskame that make the RX-8 look like an incompetant POS. Go back and read it again.

That's my only problem here, cuz it's definitely not a POS at all. I would be bashing the car too if everybody was flooding all the time, all over the place. It's not. Mine hasn't flooded at all. A large majority (7 out of 8, last time I looked at the poll) have not flooded at all, and most who have flooded theirs understand what they did wrong and won't let it happen again.

Those who refuse to learn are bound to re-live the situation. It won't not happen just because you spent $30k and don't think a $30k car shouldn't make you do anything special to maintain it. If someone would consider that fact as a reason to place it in the POS category, well, fine. Everybody has an opinion.

Racer, let me try to put things in perspective: if you have over 300 votes in favor of the 'completely' satifsfied people, and those votes represent close to 80% of the opinion, and you come by this thread and think the RX8 is a 'POS' as some people have called it....you shouldn't even have a license. A driver's license requires 'common sense' and if you don't have enough of that to realize that the car is keeping those who own it, 'happy' in its majority....well...

That's why I started this thread in the first place. To put things a little bit in perspective for all of us. I don't know how many votes can be counted as valid: many non-owners could have simply voted the best or worst, just because the felt like it. I don't know.

What I do know: if I was new to all this, and was coming from the outside, I'd be looking for the car's weaknesses. Well....there aren't those many, and they haven't shaded all of us. In fact, it seems that we are the most careless car community......flooding problems, transmissions blown, engines replaced, bad gas mileage, oil consumption, HP downgrade...etc. However, these haven't prevented the opinion to be highly in favor of the vehicle: there's gotta be something in it that keeps us coming (driving) for more every day!

Ufffffff, what a way to start the day! Have a good one all of you!

My wife was having trouble starting her Audi a while back and she flooded the car as a result. Not because she stepped on the gas pedal but because she was only giving the car about 3 seconds to turn over. Normally it doesn't take so long but for whatever reason it was this time and the engine definately flooded. So I guess in this day and age you can flood more than just an RX-8 without needing to do anything special.

Originally posted by 93rdcurrent
My wife was having trouble starting her Audi a while back ....So I guess in this day and age you can flood more than just an RX-8 without needing to do anything special.

Yeah, but I bet she didn't have to get a tow to the dealer to get unstuck.:mad:

Originally posted by Arthur
Somewhat dissatisfied--they need to fix the flooding issue. It's happened to me twice this week even following the dealer instructions. In my opinion this is a major design flaw and I'm not happy about it.
No offense Arthur, but if you flooded the car twice in one week, you didn't follow the "dealer instructions" or there is something else wrong with your particular car.

Originally posted by jonalan
No offense Arthur, but if you flooded the car twice in one week, you didn't follow the "dealer instructions" or there is something else wrong with your particular car.

Why is it not OK for someone to have an opinion other than "completely satisfied"?

Are you calling Arthur a liar? He said he followed "dealer instructions".

Certainly repeated flooding would make me "somewhat dissatisfied". And if there is something else wrong with his particular car, then I would think that would still be a good reason for Arthur to be "somewhat dissatisfied".

bernieunger,

You're right she didn't need it towed to the dealer for that problem but how about twice for a fried ingnitor and twice at the dealer for sunroof controls in a 1.5 year period. For some reason the sunroof wants to open on its own and refuses to close after words. Can be a problem when it's cold or cold and snowing.

Originally posted by 93rdcurrent
bernieunger,

You're right she didn't need it towed to the dealer for that problem but how about twice for a fried ingnitor and twice at the dealer for sunroof controls in a 1.5 year period. For some reason the sunroof wants to open on its own and refuses to close after words. Can be a problem when it's cold or cold and snowing. He's talking about his wife's AUDI folks.

Sorry 93rdcurrent, but this is for those who read your post & thought you were talking about an RX-8 (you know, duh, stupid people such as I :confused: )...

Originally posted by 93rdcurrent
bernieunger,

You're right she didn't need it towed to the dealer for that problem but how about twice for a fried ingnitor and twice at the dealer for sunroof controls in a 1.5 year period. For some reason the sunroof wants to open on its own and refuses to close after words. Can be a problem when it's cold or cold and snowing.

I admit that's inconvenient, and doesn't really live up to the "German quality" myth. The question I have is, are these inheritent problems with the Audi or random problems? The stalling issue has happened to about 20% of those responding to our unscientific poll, and the car's only been out for a half year or so. I think I detect a pattern here...

What annoys me is that, after all these generations of 7's, the flooding issue is a known problem. With the haitus of a few years to get it right, I would have expected an incremental improvement. Instead, it sure looks like we had some serious backsliding. Unforgivable.

That's some sunroof you got there.

14.3% (16 flooded it out of 112 responders)

15.4% if you want to remove those 8 "don't give a rat's ass" responses. Heavy on the automatic owners (about 1/3 of them flooded it). I wonder how many flooding victims didn't have to resort to a trip to the service shop?

You're right though, very unscientific - oh well.

Originally posted by RX8-TX
Racer, c'mon. Respect the guys opinion. That's what this thread's for.

amen to you!

we difinitely need to be tolerant of the expression of opinions that are different from our own. if we weren't interested in reading other people's opinions, none of us would be subscribing to a site that promotes the spreading of exactly that!!

happy new year, btw!

-BSG

Just like you are tolerant of the expression of my opinion?

I get it.

Happy New Year to you too, btw!

Originally posted by Racer X-8
Just like you are tolerant of the expression of my opinion?

I get it.

Happy New Year to you too, btw!

C'mon people, this is a message board. I didn't try to offend anyone, and I know you Racer didn't try to do it either. We have our opinions, and we sure do have different experience.

Point #1, I don't want this thread to go down the toilet. If it does, it will be a failure to my original premise: short, concise and to the point posts. (see, now I am screwing up my own thread...damn! gotta get some sleep!) See ya'll around! :D

HEY! WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!?!

JK haha. :D ;) :D

You are absolutely right RX8-TX. :)

OK, I won't stink it up any more than I already have. Sorry. It never works anyway. I should have known better. :(

bernieunger,

I haven't checked to see if the ingniter problem is something Audi has been dealing with I just know about our car. I do know that Hondas were dealing with it a while back. I can remember several of my friends with Hondas towing there cars to the dealers to figure out what was keeping their cars from starting. Ignitors on every one of them. Interesting. Flooding has not been a problem on my car but I bet that most of the people who haven't experienced a problem with it haven't posted but I will say that most who have flooded most likely did post.

Originally posted by msrecant
Why is it not OK for someone to have an opinion other than "completely satisfied"?

Are you calling Arthur a liar? He said he followed "dealer instructions".

Certainly repeated flooding would make me "somewhat dissatisfied". And if there is something else wrong with his particular car, then I would think that would still be a good reason for Arthur to be "somewhat dissatisfied".
You may want to re-read my post. I didn't even comment on his opinion. He's entitled.

Again, re-read my post. I never called him a liar (your words). I said he either didn't follow the instructions (he may have thought he did, but possibly didn't, exactly) OR there is something else wrong with HIS car.

Originally posted by jonalan
You may want to re-read my post. I didn't even comment on his opinion. He's entitled.

Since you quoted his complete post, I initially took your comment as a challenge to all aspects of his entire statement.

However, in reviewing your post, along with your elaboration, I can see what you intended which, as you say, does not comment on his opinion.

Mileage--First tank was 18.6 mpg, second 19.1. Almost all in town.

Awesome car... love it. Even as it sits stored in my garage.

Can't wait for winter to end...

Originally posted by msrecant
Why is it not OK for someone to have an opinion other than "completely satisfied"?

Are you calling Arthur a liar? He said he followed "dealer instructions".

Certainly repeated flooding would make me "somewhat dissatisfied". And if there is something else wrong with his particular car, then I would think that would still be a good reason for Arthur to be "somewhat dissatisfied".

i agree with this post.

Totally satisfied!!! I can't think of another vehicle I would like to drive!

The car is exactly what I expected in many regards, and exceeds expectations in many others. If only this was true of most purchases!

I smile when I get in it, I smile when I see it in the garage, and look for excuses to drive.

First car I've waxed since I was 18!

Oh yeah - hello everybody!

I have given most of my co-workers a ride in my car and everyone loves it. It has some small issues but what car doesn’t. Overall I feel it was well worth the money and I am glad I waited and didn’t go for the 350z.
-Ron

yeah, I am highly satisfy with my car. So far so good. Yesterday I filled up for the fist time. I had a notch just below 1/4 tank. I drove 240 miles ( mostly on highway) and it gave me 19.5 mpg. Not bad considering that my old 280 Z was giving me 20 mpg. I am guessing that I could have gone up to 260~270 miles before getting the low fuel light.

Highly Satisfied - I LOVE MINE!

Originally posted by jonalan
You may want to re-read my post. I didn't even comment on his opinion. He's entitled.

Again, re-read my post. I never called him a liar (your words). I said he either didn't follow the instructions (he may have thought he did, but possibly didn't, exactly) OR there is something else wrong with HIS car.

Yes, I followed the dealers instructions. It was only 6 days after the first time it flooded and I REALLY didn't want waste another day dealing with this. On the second flood, the car was fully warmed up when I shut it down and it still wouldn't start approximately 20-30 minutes later. The dealer replaced all four spark plugs when I took it in (per service bulletin, I guess).

Anyway, I'm still paranoid about the car starting, so I'm sticking with "Somewhat dissatisfied" until MAZDA comes up with a good fix.

This car just blows me away. So far Very satisfied!

I got the Rx8 the first week it came out. I am happy with the car's performance and look. But to be honest it has been a bit of a lemon.

Got it with a cracked headlight lens. They replaced the lens, but then the headlight would not work. Had to get and entire new unit.

Then I get the famous check engine a few times. Oil pan finally replaced.

Tire pressure Monitor has been reset twice now, and it is on again today!

Finally, I got a flooded engine the first of the year. Tow truck the whole bit. They had to replace the plugs.

The Good news is that I have not paid One Penny so far. Between Roadside, warranty, and free scheduled maintenance, I have had no costs. I got a free loaner everytime, and everytime the service was completed in 30hrs or less.

In short, it is not so bad since Mazda has taken care of me, but it is a bit tough to RELY on the car as I am as our everyday family commuter.

I will give you more info as I approach 7500 miles.

The biggest disappointment is the shop trips and the gas mileage. The performance is really good, the looks are great. Navi and radio are awesome. The red leather is heaven. Love the rims and brakes -- still plenty of tread on the tires.

Three points for me:

1. I polled "highly satisfied" before my flood, when I thought the Emergency Start Procedure would resolve the problem and when I believed Mazda was fixing flooded cars for RX-8 buyers under the 4-year warranty. After waiting 6 days for a repair, losing a day of work and being told that flooding repairs are not covered and that I "didn't really want the new plugs because they are so expensive," I'm reserving judgment until I get something official from Mazda explaining what their policy will be in the future. I mailed my letter last week... I think we're all entitled to know what the protocol is so we can judge what kind of a problem it is for each of us... particularly those who have not yet bought and plan on relying on this car as a daily ride.

2. Anyone that actually owns an RX-8 is entitled to have an opinion in a satisfaction poll, regardless of his age. Fuel consumption and reliability are "issues" as much as "missing HP." I too love the car, but it and Mazda are not above criticism.

3. Someone should fix the title of this poll:
"What is your overall level of stisfaction with the RX8?" and
"Statisfaction Survey with your RX-8"

SOMEWHAT SATISFIED- Great dry weather driver, fun in the wet, but when it snows it sucks. Don't care about gas mileage, my other car is a Denali 10 mpg. Traction control needs improvement, doesn't start working for a few minutes after you start the car. Needless to say, I have fishtailed and lite up the tires going out of parking lots more than a few times. Not that this is a bad thing. But my Boxster's TCS is flawless, no bumping on hard take offs, and is so smooth, you forget it's there. Also the stick vibrates way too much at idle. GPS is great, climate control should be better, including the heated seats. Silver/red 6spd.

Originally posted by Gearbox
..... but when it snows it sucks.
Not with snow tires, it doesn't.

Originally posted by Gearbox
Traction control needs improvement, doesn't start working for a few minutes after you start the car.



I don't know what you are talking about. My traction control works right away.

Right now, I'd say "Highly Satisfied". Though, I have only had my 8 for a week and finished engine break in on Wednesday. I'm taking it in to the dealer today for the "after engine break in" oil change.

My 8 is everything I expected it to be. But, I had the benefit of reading this forum for 2 months before I bought. That may have tempered my expectations.

Most importantly, after a 52 mile commute home, I'm smiling instead of frowning. Every day this week!

Highly Satisfied! I've had it two months now. In a perfect world the 8 would get 60 mpg and Mazda would have given it to me free - but hey, this ain't that world. I haven't enjoyed washing and waxing a car since I was in high school (1964). I can't justify a 911, so I am in heaven with my 8. I note the comments about gas mileage - certainly no one bought an 8 in hopes of getting exceptional gas mileage! If so, you should have gotten a Civic or Prius.

Highly satisfied. Haven't had this much fun since my Alfa. Great combination of handling and ride. Only complaint being a bit of wind and road noise from the back seat area.

Stuff that leaves me a lil' less than a happy camper:
1. The gas mileages is horrible. I've yet to get over 19mpg (and suspect that I could only get Mazda's claim of "24 mpg highway" by steady highway driving at 55 mph.
2. Oil consumption: 1/2 quart at 2,500 miles.
3. Black oil residue at the bottoms of the tail pipes.
4. Very poor roll-on acceleration unless I am in the spot on gear in high rpm.

I just bought a red rx8 grand tour pkg. I pick it up today. I test drove it last week and the dealer let me take it home over night. I was so impressed with the handling,smooth power delivery and luxury that I just had to have it. I paid $28550. It is a demo with 2300 miles on it. I am very pleased so far with the entire rx8 experience and hope to enjoy the car for a long time.

I'm installing a snow/wheel pkg from Tire Rack so I can drive it all year round. We get our share of snow here.

Originally posted by Roaddemon
I paid $28550. It is a demo with 2300 miles on it.

Your killin' me!!!

I paid $32,600 for my GT (only option) back in July. Some people in the area paid $33,600. Even prorating the price of the 2,300 miles, you definitely have a good deal on a fine car :).

Originally posted by msrecant
Your killin' me!!!

I paid $32,600 for my GT (only option) back in July. Some people in the area paid $33,600. Even prorating the price of the 2,300 miles, you definitely have a good deal on a fine car :).

Sportscars are'nt selling well in the midwest right now. It's winter and snow here in Wisconsin. I'm sure that affected price and that's part of the reason I bought an rx8 now this time of year.

Highly Satisfied. The car is awesome! Yes it has some things on it that are anoying, like poor mileage or no auto AC and other little things. But overal the car is great! If anyone can name the perfect car in any price I will buy it for you!!

A highly satisifed Australian, with nearly 6 mths/20,000k (=12,000m) ownership. No coathooks (I'm a suit :p ) no easy cellular install, and the cruise control 'surges' (see other posts). But I love it!

the reason I put somewhat satisfied is the continual worry that the car won't start. After 3 weeks of driving pleasure(had a 2003 maxima) i'm still concerned about this one issue. Otherwise I love this car!!!!!!....Markiev

Originally posted by markiev
the reason I put somewhat satisfied is the continual worry that the car won't start. After 3 weeks of driving pleasure(had a 2003 maxima) i'm still concerned about this one issue. Otherwise I love this car!!!!!!....Markiev


I've had the car 3 days and it starts in minus degree weather no problem. Also short trips when the car is still cold and no flooding. I do rev to 3000 rpm then shut it off after moving the car around in driveway. I don't see the flooding problem as an issue , if the car is driven regularly. I've never owned a car this much fun to drive. I made a great choice.

Somewhat dissatisfied...the RX-8 seems to me to be a quirky sportscar that requires a pretty strict set of rules to be followed before you can have fun. There are more than enough 'bugs' out there with this car that takes it from a real pleasure to drive to one that requires a significant amount of attention.

I am not explaining this right I know.

One of my other cars is a 1963 Corvette...when I take that out for a drive I know I need to deal with a number of quirks associated with that 40+ year-old car...normal. But to have to deal with a new set of quirks and things on a 2004 car? That takes a bunch of the fun out of an otherwise slick machine.

I am hoping that as I put more miles on the chassis these quirks will become less noticable. Right now, when I drive the car, I get really tense...I think this website has done that to me. Reading about all the problems has made me paranoid.

And yes, I see all of you staring at me...and following me...stalking! ArGh!!!!

*whimper*

Originally posted by Katchoo
. . . One of my other cars is a 1963 Corvette...when I take that out for a drive I know I need to deal with a number of quirks associated with that 40+ year-old car...normal. But to have to deal with a new set of quirks and things on a 2004 car? ...I think this website has done that to me. Reading about all the problems has made me paranoid. . .


Katchoo, when the 'vette takes you for a ride, those quirks you know you have to contend with were discovered by trial and error, right? So what you have read about here simply gives you the knowledge of poss. quirks of the 8 before *you* get to experiance them. Forewarned=Forearmed.

And no. That's not me stalking you from behind the bush.
I'm the one behind the rock.:D

I have a feeling this web-site has made me paranoid. Seeing all these problems being discussed...BrRRrrrrrrr.

The car isn't bad and I have had no problems with it other than what the dealership induced (poor vehicle prep). My main concern is staying within the bounds of those 'quirks' and not ending up on the wrong end of a tow truck.

I am still not happy that a 2004 car has this many quirks. I expect that from a 40-year old car but not from a new one. Maybe I am grumpy that the dealership never mentioned any of these POTENTIAL problems. 'Forwarned' would have been a good thing for my dealership to do first.

A sale is a sale I guess.

Maybe I should go back to the dealer and ask for a 'test drive' of a few more RX-8s only to turn off the engine while cold ("Changed my mind, let me try that one over there")...see how many on the dealer's lot I can flood out. :)

I need a drink so I can chill out...

Originally posted by Katchoo
I am still not happy that a 2004 car has this many quirks.

Understood! I have had my 8 since July and I am just really starting to get comfortable with it. Not that the car has changed, but I have relaxed. You got to take your best shot, after that if something happens, it happens and you deal with it.

The good news is that for the vast majority of owners, the quirks are not a problem. It really is a great car.

Katchoo: "Maybe I should go back to the dealer and ask for a 'test drive' of a few more RX-8s only to turn off the engine while cold ("Changed my mind, let me try that one over there")...see how many on the dealer's lot I can flood out. "

Funny! I like that idea. Maybe you can take some friends with you. 'Uh, I'd like to see if I can figure out how to drive a M/T. How 'bout that one?"

I have 384 miles on my 04 RX8. It has been in the shop twice due to the engine light coming on because of gas mixture errors.

Once for the brakes sticking which almost killed me! I was going about 45mph and lightly pressed the brake and the next thing I know I'm heading straight toward the biggest SUV i've ever seen.
The left brake stuck and pulled the car into the oncoming lane and thank god the car does handle extremely well, I just missed hitting a brand new Ford Excurusion. Needless to say I haven't been happy with the car so far. The dealer stated that they have had many problems with the brakes as well as engine problems mainly due to the ECU software configuration.

Any additional information on either would be great!

I am pushing 1 week and 400+ miles. So far the car is very much what I expected. I had the benefit of reading this forum for three months before I bought the car. Its an amazing car to drive, and that point is reinforced everytime I drive a different car. I will likely delay voting until after it hits 1000 miles. If I were to vote now, I would give it a "Highly Satisfied".

I don't recall hearing about the serious brake problem that "rad" describes above in other posts. Are there other references to brakes skicking?

I voted Somewhat Dissatisfied.

I absolutely love the styling of the 8...it is one of the most striking vehicles on the highway but it has so many quirks that I am really starting to have regrets.

The first few weeks were fantastic but as time has gone on, I am starting to experience issues that I think I should not. I realize that this is a new model and that it should be expected that there will probably be some issues but after having owned a RSX Type-S, purchased about 3-4 months after release, when I compare my experiences between the two they are on opposite ends of the scale.

With my Acura, during two years of ownership, I had exactly 1 visit to the dealership. A check engine light came on when a sensor failed. Other than that, this brand new model performed perfectly...I did not have a single issue with performance, fit or finish. With the 8, I am working with the dealership on the mileage issue (avg. 14 around town) and I have experienced many little things, some just minor annoyances, that I don't think I should (hand break not staying down when it is cold, door rattles, very noisy blower, etc.). The mileage issue is a real sticking point for me as I feel a bit cheated. I know that the ratings are determined by the US government but I have never had a vehicle that has not come close to meeting what was on the sticker.

Before I get berated with “you should have researched more”…I did, but unfortunately it was at sites such as C&D and R&T not this site. I think if I had found this site before hand, I would probably not have purchased the car.

As for the other owners that are enjoying their vehicles…fantastic…and I truly mean that. This is strictly my experience with the vehicle against my expectations.

I really want to like this car as it has so many unique features. Unfortunately perhaps my expectations were too high based on my previous experiences. I think my wife will probably end up with the car and I will take over driving our Town & Country Minivan.

I loave my car, but the transmission will not engage 6th.
Not many Rotars here fueel is priced.

rjenk - I'm curious as to what you mean when you say "With the 8, I am working with the dealership on the mileage issue." What might the dealership be able to do about the problem? (I agree that 14 is pretty low.)

I have spoken with the dealership and I have an appointment for them to check the car out to see if they can find anything. A good friend has also been complaining to the local dealer as well (getting roughly the same MPG). I will be sure to update as to what they find/do…if anything.

I cannot help to think that there is something amiss. I have an A/T and I really baby the vehicle. Although most of my mileage is short trips in town, I still only managed to get 16MPG on a tank that was about 30% highway.

Originally posted by rjenk
I have spoken with the dealership and I have an appointment for them to check the car out to see if they can find anything. A good friend has also been complaining to the local dealer as well (getting roughly the same MPG). I will be sure to update as to what they find/do…if anything.

I cannot help to think that there is something amiss. I have an A/T and I really baby the vehicle. Although most of my mileage is short trips in town, I still only managed to get 16MPG on a tank that was about 30% highway.

I'm curious to see what you hear from the dealer as well. I am also getting only 14 mpg with my AT. When I've brought it up, the dealer said the mpg would get better as I put more miles on it. That was when it had a couple hundred miles on it--now it has approximatey 1,300 and there's very little improvement.

I'm also one of the unlucky ones with the flooding problem--even following the instructions. I'm really hoping they get this stuff worked out--particularly the flooding issue--or I'll be one the folks trading this thing in soon. I can't have a car that I can't depend on. It's both embarrassing and a pain to explain to valet parking garage attendants (which I have at work and conferences) that my car can't be moved around or it will flood.

Sup Everyone,

Im new to the forum, I just purchased myself a new 2004 Rx8 GT package, fully loaded, and i mean fully with exhaust finishers, night lights, side sills, etc.. (Im a Sales consultant at the Dealership=)

Anyways, Im reading the posts and I see that everyones been having some issues with the Rx8

Notable the gas mileage, a statement from Mazda corporation during the incident of miscalculation of the hp (250 -> 238) claimed that the mpg figures changed as well.

Though, i also read all the C/D and R/T mags that also presented the same figures, i know they also wrote that they got a mere 18 or 19mpg during their test

I dont know if Mazda has made an official announcement about this, but since the hp issue.. mazda has made that offer with money back and option to return the car.

Perhaps, we should all together have a petition and contact Mazda about the mpg ratings, because they are way off.

Other than that, Ive had no problems with the car (knock on wood)

also, plese make sure you check your oil every gas pump or every other gas pump. car eats oil like a dog on a bone, go figure..

Anyways, good luck. nice meeting you all

Zamen

www.openroadhonda.com
Sales / Leasing Consultant

Ryans Automotive Group LLD
BMW/ACURA/MAZDA/HONDA/ISUZU

A regression analysis of the MPG issue, based on data from forum members is here:

Input data is here:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13280&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

The results are here:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13404&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

Hey everyone-
This is my first post, however I have been lurking around here since mid Sept. just a few weeks after I bought my 8.
I'll try to keep this short, and hope that I'm not too off topic here, but I really couldn't deceide where to post these thoughts.
I thought I'd start by voteing in this poll. I voted somewhat satisfied and the reason why only somewhat is basically the gas milage thing. I don't do a lot of driving, basically just a back and forth commute to work, 10 miles each way. So my milage is at 16.5 ave. It's not the money I worry about, it's the conservation of our natural reserves that bothers me.
Anyway that said I do love my car, there is only one other car on the road today I would consider (in the price range) and that's the Crossfire.
Don't remember whether it was this tread or another where some one mentions suffering from forum parinonia (sp). But I think I've got a bit of that... worry about problems that I might have.
My only other compliant.. Does anyone else have problems reading the dip stick? I've got the foamy stuff on the stick and I see that's "normal", but I can't really tell wheter I have oil or not, any tricks?
LOVE THE CAR... HATE THE MILAGE....

Originally posted by RX-8ME
Hey everyone... I voted somewhat satisfied and the reason why only somewhat is basically the gas milage thing. I don't do a lot of driving, basically just a back and forth commute to work, 10 miles each way. So my milage is at 16.5 ave. It's not the money I worry about, it's the conservation of our natural reserves that bothers me....LOVE THE CAR... HATE THE MILAGE....

i am SO reading my own thoughts in this post!
the financial issue bugs me ... but the waste of natural resources causes me far more internal agony.
the only difference i can note is that my last tank of gas averaged a whopping 12.8 mpg! i've never seen above 15!!!!!!

best,
BSG

Hi all. My RX-8 is due to arrive in four weeks but after reading threads like this I'm starting to freak out a bit. Is there any evidence that the recent '04 cars are more reliable overall than the initial release ones? What about the flooding issue - any hope that it's cold climate-related? I'm about to move to a small town, and the thought of my flash new car being towed past all the locals to the nearest dealer (100km away) is enough to make my gonads clench.

I think I need to go back and read the "Little things" thread again...

Originally posted by oodlum
Hi all. My RX-8 is due to arrive in four weeks but after reading threads like this I'm starting to freak out a bit. Is there any evidence that the recent '04 cars are more reliable overall than the initial release ones? What about the flooding issue - any hope that it's cold climate-related? I'm about to move to a small town, and the thought of my flash new car being towed past all the locals to the nearest dealer (100km away) is enough to make my gonads clench.

I think I need to go back and read the "Little things" thread again...

I've gone past 600o miles on the clock and so far the only thing that's been bothering me is the mileage as well. However, I've been getting in avg. 16 mpg. My worst tank was 13.7 and my best was almost 21 mpg. I posted a spreadsheet with this data on this very same thread a while back.

I haven't flooded my car (crossing fingers here..) and the only 'visits' to the dealer were for:

1. 5,000 mile oil change
2. Have them fix an AC vent that was popped out of place since I took the car (and I was lazy to takle sooner) and a worn shifter knob.

There will be another visit soon (7,500 miles) for tire rotation, and to get them to fix an annoying rattle from the steering wheel cover (contacted Mazda about it, and instructed me to tell my dealer to calls MNAO for instructions)

Oil consumption hasn't been at all bad: I've gone through 2 quarts of oil with my mileage (a top the full oil change @ 5,000)

All things considered, I am alright thus far. But at the end, you are not me, so its ultimately your confidence level.

Oodlum,

We all understand your concerns. I believe the Rx8 has its good and bad. The good though, obviously aint here posting as much as the bad.. why? Because they all out driving =)

Truth is, in terms of the mileage.. I can only say this

I owned a S2k, a Supra TT 95, and a 93 Rx7 .. .all which were high maintenance and all, who ate gas like water.

My pt is, I am aware that many complain about the gas mileage, but they comparing to the figures posted by EPA. as we know, those numbers drastically changed, when it was found it was not tested by the right emissions regulation.

But lets be real, its a sports car.. dont be fooled to think you will get conservative gas. Its funny to read that some even say they care about it, if you did.. you would buy a Civic Hybrid ok ..

We all bought a sports car, cuz we enjoy the pure excitement of driving fast and crazy. There is no GAS conservation at all .

As for the constant oil checks up, this isnt nothing new. For those that are into their rides, know.. maintenance is mandatory. Yes its high, being they recommend you check every gas pump, but wuteva.. Either you want a Civic or an Rx8, its always your choice

Good luck on your purchase, and I hope you have zero problems with it !

Z

Somewhat satisfied due to the mayonaisse oil and starting issues. Get those sorted and it will be highly satisfied for me.
(Cant whinge about the fuel as it was bound to be low with the performance figures)

Mike

Thanks RX8-TX and RX8Z

The milage doesn't really concern me - I'll be well prepared for it. More the flooding issue. The panic attack has passed now. Can't wait to add my 2c to the survey when my baby arrives.

Cheers :)

Originally posted by RX8Z
Sup Everyone,

Im new to the forum, I just purchased myself a new 2004 Rx8 GT package, fully loaded, and i mean fully with exhaust finishers, night lights, side sills, etc.. (Im a Sales consultant at the Dealership=)

Anyways, Im reading the posts and I see that everyones been having some issues with the Rx8

Notable the gas mileage, a statement from Mazda corporation during the incident of miscalculation of the hp (250 -> 238) claimed that the mpg figures changed as well.

Though, i also read all the C/D and R/T mags that also presented the same figures, i know they also wrote that they got a mere 18 or 19mpg during their test

I dont know if Mazda has made an official announcement about this, but since the hp issue.. mazda has made that offer with money back and option to return the car.

Perhaps, we should all together have a petition and contact Mazda about the mpg ratings, because they are way off.

Other than that, Ive had no problems with the car (knock on wood)

also, plese make sure you check your oil every gas pump or every other gas pump. car eats oil like a dog on a bone, go figure..

Anyways, good luck. nice meeting you all

Zamen

www.openroadhonda.com
Sales / Leasing Consultant

Ryans Automotive Group LLD
BMW/ACURA/MAZDA/HONDA/ISUZU


Your a honda sales rep. Why are you driving a Mazda? I test drove the s2000 and Accord coupe 6sp before buying my 8. the rx8 won hands down in fun, quality, looks and everything else. Is that why your driving an rx8? I would think you could get an excellent deal on a Honda. Why did you cross over? oil consumption is a quart every 3500mi according to my dealer. I'll check it often until I know just what milage I need to add. It's not a problem for me.

I get deals on everything my friend.. Im driving an Rx8 because I just wanted something different, and as you stated.. it is by far, one of the most fun cars ive ever driven

But yeah, you already knew that =)

I used to have a 2002 S2k , it was a great car but wasnt for me.. I felt like i was bigger than the car, and nothing against s2k owners.. but i just feel roadsters are for girls cuz of the size =) .. btw, my gf drove the s2k more than i did . I just like to take it out and race some rice rockets occasionally

I got alot of s2k's in the lot, let me know if you want a deal =)

Take care

Z

Originally posted by RX8Z
But lets be real, its a sports car.. dont be fooled to think you will get conservative gas. Its funny to read that some even say they care about it, if you did.. you would buy a Civic Hybrid ok ..
...or a Prius, like my wife. Wait, my wife's not like a Prius, I meant, buy a hybrid like...oh, nevermind!

You can complain all you want about the gas mileage, but don't say you're concerned about the "conservation of our natural reserves" and then go out and buy a sports car.

It reminds of the people that think because they recycle soda cans.. they are saving the planet and doing a good deed meanwhile they bought an SUV that pretty much gets 4 mpg...

You know what I tell my customers all the time, jokingly of course.. when they say, how can I save on gas?

I say.. very firmly to them..

You "WALK"...

=)

Alot of eyeball and great fun for very little $. A winner by any measure.

Highly Satisfied

Well going on 2k mi, and the gas for me has been good, on par with what i expected. Usually low 20's overall, and no i don't shift at 3k rpms. But most of my miles are highway miles, but i drive some in the city also. There are a few notes for those of you who do want better milage. First of all shift at 3k rpms and the mileage should b good. But that is no fun, real useful tips are fill up at half a tank. U get better milage the 1st half of a tank, plus i always get nervous when my fuel gets below a quarter of a tank. Second, buy your gas when it is COLD. Don't tend 2 stop at 1pm, stop after dark or early morning. Because the colder weather the gas is more dense, so there is really more gas in a gallon if that makes sense.

I have not flooded yet, extremely fun to drive, and can seat 4 adults. I am 6'2 (i am long legged though) and i can fit in the back seat, w/ the moonroof! However i doubt i would like 2 spend more than 2hrs in a row back there. I didn't know about the flooding at time of purchase, but the salesman who was clueless at least told me "the rotary is an exotic engine, and you need to rev it to 3k rpms for a minute if u have driven it less than 5min." So i guess that counts, neways i never drive it less than 5min so that doesn't matter. And also i let it warm up a little b4 heading out cause i heard that letting the engine circulate a little more in the engine b4 u get going prolongs life.

How i got the car:
If this car did not have the backseat, period. I would have gotten an accord or rsx-s, g35, or TL instead. I decided 2 take a test drive based on what magazines had reported on it, plus i am a fan of innovation and uniqueness. I absolutely loved the car. I went for another test drive and i took it by my wife's office (she owns a small business). I told her jokingly that i had bought it for her as a christmas present, while it was a week or so b4 Christmas. My wife and I play a lot of jokes on eachother. We both don't really think that secretly spending $30k w/out the spouse knowing and having input is a good thing, no matter what happens on the commercials. She really liked the way the car looked and she decided to go for a test drive and she loved it also. She took another one and loved it even more. We both loved the car and decided on buying it to replace our 97 Honda CRV w/ over 200kmi on it.

I am however not totally satisfied w/ the rx8, there will have 2 b 2 conditions for that level of satisfaction to be achived. One is installing Canzoomers ECU mod, which is on its way to my house :). The second condition is the engine must make it over 100k mi. I know rotaries have a bad reputation, but i seem 2 remember that NA rotaries were very reliable. Reliability only began to fade when twin turbos were slapped on and a large amount of boost put in.

Well that post (i think it is more of a book myself) is finished and i hope all of u r sufficiently bored by now :-p .

i love it, i love it, i love it! and im the only one around who has one! ok, so i saw one in my area, wasnt as s-w-e-e-t as mine!!
(new orleans, la)

Monique, THATs the attitude to have! Hope you feel that way many years to come!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rotarian_SC
[B]Highly Satisfied

I know rotaries have a bad reputation, but i seem 2 remember that NA rotaries were very reliable. Reliability only began to fade when twin turbos were slapped on and a large amount of boost put in.


I had a 1982 rx7, never gave me any problem I traded it after 4 years and 45k mi. Several years later I bought a used 1986 rx7 SE . It had 75k on it and ran like a clock. It got stolen a year later. If you look on e-bay you'll see lots of older rx 7's with high mileage. Non- turbo Rotories are known for they're longevity, performance and dependability. The rx8 is a solid design and should last for many years. No regrets here. I know what I got. I got the best.

The not so good:

#1... Gas Mileage - 18mpg highway WTF??
#2... Suspension- already loose after only 2000 miles
#3... City Driving- not very good on potholes
#4... $4000 for... FAKE LEATHER!!! WTFx100!?!? Shame on Mazda!
#5... Sunroof not active on first auxillary ignition position, always turning off ignition then reaching for the sunroof and it's dead...
#6... Bridgestone Tires, that's plain hitting below the belt.. ouch

The good:

#1... Highway driving- practically untouchable
#2... Drop Dead Good Looks
#3... Excellent upper RPM acceleration
#4... Amazing handling
#5... Drop Dead Good Looks
#6... Drop Dead Good Looks


Sorry if it sounds too negative, just call 'em like I see 'em. Somewhat satisfied, they could have put a bit more quality in there for the price, like the 3000GT/Stealth

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cvan707
[B]The not so good:

#1... Gas Mileage - 18mpg highway WTF??
#2... Suspension- already loose after only 2000 miles
#3... City Driving- not very good on potholes
#4... $4000 for... FAKE LEATHER!!! WTFx100!?!? Shame on Mazda!
#5... Sunroof not active on first auxillary ignition position, always turning off ignition then reaching for the sunroof and it's dead...
#6... Bridgestone Tires, that's plain hitting below the belt.. ouch

The good:

#1... Highway driving- practically untouchable
#2... Drop Dead Good Looks
#3... Excellent upper RPM acceleration
#4... Amazing handling
#5... Drop Dead Good Looks
#6... Drop Dead Good Looks

-The car will run fine on 87 octane negating your fuel cost for poor mileage.
-2300 mi and my suspension is just fine
-what car is on potholes? drive around them
-Sunroof who cares? Turn the car ignition back on or close it before you turn ignition off.
I don't know what your talking about concerning the leather and The tires are excellent.

Are you a real owner or just here to flame the car?

Cvan wrote..

The not so good:

#1... Gas Mileage - 18mpg highway WTF??

-Use lower octane, try doing a search and you'll find out that the Rx8 doenst need prem fuel.

#2... Suspension- already loose after only 2000 miles
-Maybe its just your perception, you realize that body and parts do settle in and flex, but then again after reading #3 .. it makes sense why your suspension is loose

#3... City Driving- not very good on potholes
-DONT DRIVE ON POTHOLES !! COME ON BE REALISTIC , THATS WHAT HUMMERS ARE FOR !

#4... $4000 for... FAKE LEATHER!!! WTFx100!?!? Shame on Mazda!
-????? Ok there, I guess the 3000gt/Stealth had premium goat skin..

#5... Sunroof not active on first auxillary ignition position, always turning off ignition then reaching for the sunroof and it's dead...
-A Minor inconvenience that almost every car has...

#6... Bridgestone Tires, that's plain hitting below the belt.. ouch
-Sorry this isnt a Ford Explorer, and if im not mistaken.. Bridgestone makes one of the best tires in the world and most used on sports/super cars.. Potenzas S0-3/S0-2's . If you never used them, try them out then come back and talk trash.

and to top it off, 3000gt and Stealth QUALITY ??? My god... I aint even going to go there..

Roaddemon and RX8Z,

As a "somewhat satisfied" person myself, regardless of whether you agree with CVAN or not, he still has the right to say he is "somewhat satisfied" and to list his reasons.

Understandable, and everyone has a right to voice their opinion which I only did as well.

I am merely stating back to him that his reasonings are not justified at all, and I find this negatives quite unreasonable except for the gas, that I can see as an issue.

Again, just an opinion so dont take it personal but being this is an Rx8 Community, did you honestly think he would be able to walk through insulting our beloved cars without getting feedback?? =)

RX8Z,

Check out the first post in this thread. The idea is to get people's opinions about their cars, not argue with them about what they think.

If you want to do that, PM CVAN or start another thread.

Kind of like what youre doing with me now right, perhaps you couldve Pm me but of course , youre not arguing with me, your just telling me to do something I shouldnt do, that you're doing right now

Listen, this is a forum and this thread is open to all discussions about the Rx8 whether positive or negative. As an RX8 owner, I am allowed to debate and argue about someones opinion, especially when we all know there is no substance to it. Perhaps, we are all getting worked up about this whole issue, but lets just say I hate to see a new guy come in and say, omg Rx8 is a crappy car, fake leather and Oh no Bridgestone tires ! But you know what , Im sorry, I just had to say something.. cuz you know, I just love my Rx8

Z

Originally posted by msrecant
Roaddemon and RX8Z,

As a "somewhat satisfied" person myself, regardless of whether you agree with CVAN or not, he still has the right to say he is "somewhat satisfied" and to list his reasons.


Sure he does, so do I. I can certainly disagree if I think his comments are off the deep end. IMHO I think it is a flame. Some of his comments don't make any sense to me. Again just my opinion. If he's real then I hope I've enlightened him

neutral. I love driving the car, it's like no other. I really didn't like being stranded 30 miles from home out in BFE the second day that I owned it. Now my check engine light is on. I REALLY can't express how much I love driving this car, but I'm sick of the rental Mazda 6.

Originally posted by Roaddemon
Sure he does, so do I. I can certainly disagree if I think his comments are off the deep end. IMHO I think it is a flame. Some of his comments don't make any sense to me. Again just my opinion. If he's real then I hope I've enlightened him
I don't think he's here to flame, or he would have probably said he was dissatisfied. I think he may just be somewhat naive on his "not so goods" expectations.

Now, we're all entitled to our opinions. If you feel the RX-8 is flawless and superior in every aspect then it's your opinion and I respect it. Just turn your head when you see a Turbo Carrera or dare I even say Corvette, and you'll be ok. I think some of you guys might be confused, I did give it a somewhat satisfied review. It's a blast on the highway and handles like a go cart. If you drop $31,000 you kinda want decent leather, that's all. Not looking for enemies, you asked for some honesty and you got it... Enlightenment not neccessary...

Originally posted by cvan707
Just turn your head when you see a ......Corvette, and you'll be ok

Sorry cvan707, but I have to say it: Corvettes must be highly dedicated driving machines, but....their interior is far from acceptable for a $40K+ anything. My first time getting into one and I was VERY dissapointed of the "American Legend" Corvette (a C5 btw) - But in any case as you said, everyone is entitled to its opinion.

Let's keep it going!

It is funny that you comment on a corvette because their interior's are horrible and the parking brake is bascially nonfunctional. It also doesn't have a back seat. The 911 Turbo's are nice also, but my rotary will probably outlast the turbo motor, and the 911 doesn't have a functional backseat, and it is only almost 3 times the price of an rx8. But that is just IMO also.

Originally posted by cvan707
Now, we're all entitled to our opinions. If you feel the RX-8 is flawless and superior in every aspect then it's your opinion and I respect it. Just turn your head when you see a Turbo Carrera or dare I even say Corvette, and you'll be ok. I think some of you guys might be confused, I did give it a somewhat satisfied review. It's a blast on the highway and handles like a go cart. If you drop $31,000 you kinda want decent leather, that's all. Not looking for enemies, you asked for some honesty and you got it... Enlightenment not neccessary...

Again I'm in agreement we are entitled to our opinion. Your comments were so frivolous (tires, leather,suspension) that it reinforces what I already know. It's hard to find flaws with the 8. No manufacturer can please everyone 100% of the time.
I don't think you somewhat satisfied guys realize what a great car this is. Time will tell. I somewhat notice the vette and porsch But I don't desire them like I do the BMW Z4,S2000,crossfire, and z 350 and rx8. These cars turn my head and interest me much more. So there you see we have our opinions but do not agree. I'm driving a $30k car that easily competes with cars in the $45k catagory. Mazda is known for giving customers more for their money. The 8 is no exception.
What's wrong with the leather anyway? Looks decent to me.
No enemies here. I enjoy and welcome all our opinions. Opinions make the forum. Thats my opinion.

Sorry Cvan, you're absolutely right , I dont agree with you but imo, it sounds like your cherry picking flaws. Its like a customer that comes in here and says, wow the civic is very plain and simple, but of course i have to reassure the guy that hes only spending 13k, what more do you want?

To many of us, it just seems you dislike the Rx8 more than you like it.. cuz the negatives you placed out were just below minor, not even..

But again, all opinions are welcomed =)

Btw, sorry but I cant see how you can put out a Vette and a Turbo Carerra, because I can put you in an NSX and yo uwill see a huge difference in quality, of course an NSX is only about 90k =)

Good responses, maybe time will tell. Maybe when the balance of the loan gets low enough it won't bother me as much. A part of it is the price of cars have escalated since the early 90's and they're using thinner sheetmetal and more plastic injection parts, etc. etc. $31,000 can get you a lot of stuff if you don't spend it on a car- that's most of a house down payment. The auto industry players are the ones who sticker shocked the market, and now we don't even blink to drop 30+k on a car. I still believe the quality is slightly off, but everyone's doing it. On the other hand, you're also driving a car that probably took twenty million R&D $$$ to develop over the years. Still a blast to drive. Good thread guys, I'm done complainin' on this stuff...

Originally posted by Hskr8
I ened up turning around and headed home. Decided not to purchase today.

I too feel spooked by all the problems, and here in the midwest, the cars don't seem to be selling that well (granted it's winter).

Don't get me wrong, I REALLY WANT this car to be everything it appears, but if there is something I can't stand, it's reliability problems, and the reason a have only owned 2 American made cars out of about 14.

A local dealer has a 2003 S2000 that I might buy instead. A bit of a dated design, and not a huge fan of a convertible, but what gives... I know it will be reliable.

Arrgh, I'm soooo frustrated...

Hskr8 Hskr8, there are very few "reliability problems" with the 8. You hear about all of them here, and that makes it sound like the car is trouble prone. It's not. 99% of us have had NO problems with the car. Don't let the 1% you hear about make you think the car isn't good, because that's simply not the case. It's an awesome car.

Originally posted by Hskr8
I ened up turning around and headed home. Decided not to purchase today.

I too feel spooked by all the problems, and here in the midwest, the cars don't seem to be selling that well (granted it's winter).

Don't get me wrong, I REALLY WANT this car to be everything it appears, but if there is something I can't stand, it's reliability problems, and the reason a have only owned 2 American made cars out of about 14.

A local dealer has a 2003 S2000 that I might buy instead. A bit of a dated design, and not a huge fan of a convertible, but what gives... I know it will be reliable.

Arrgh, I'm soooo frustrated...

Hskr8

I respect what you are doing, and I would encourage you to wait and see what happens with us - the people who went for it without hesitation: you have a serious advantage...which is our feedback. We are no more that Guinea Pigs (happy ones!)

Originally posted by Omicron
Hskr8, there are very few "reliability problems" with the 8. You hear about all of them here, and that makes it sound like the car is trouble prone. It's not. 99% of us have had NO problems with the car. Don't let the 1% you hear about make you think the car isn't good, because that's simply not the case. It's an awesome car.

I beg to differ--99% is not an accurate figure. If you look at the results of the survey on this thread, 7.75% of us are somewhat dissatisfied or disatified. Please don't discount our opinions!