Me and my Girl where coming home last week and got to drive next to this monster of a beast!
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8128/p5093447nj8.jpg
The sound is like nothing you hear everyday so you know its not a Bike or just a car. This thing is exotic :smoker:

no race history. Mazda is more legit than they are

they're Audi ... Audi has racing history.

they're Audi ... Audi has racing history.

My point exactly. No race history. Volkswagen bought them in 1998. If anything, Volkswagen is importing lambo's faux stuff into other performance cars, not the other way around.

My point exactly. No race history. Volkswagen bought them in 1998. If anything, Volkswagen is importing lambo's faux stuff into other performance cars, not the other way around.

So, let me clarify... you're saying a Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 sucks? Really?

Well, lambos are great if you like dying in a ball of fire.

^^^ that's hilarious.

Here's a real car.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120801&stc=1&d=1211044580

meh... here's what I ran into on one of our GTO drives
i win

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120802&stc=1&d=1211045144
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120803&stc=1&d=1211045144

Oh yea! Though I like the 599 and 612 better.

Oh yea! Though I like the 599 and 612 better.

I like really the 599 and 612 too, but, come on, it's an Enzo.

eh, enzo is too common. Show me a FXX!

eh, enzo is too common. Show me a FXX!

made me LOL!

you can only find a FXX on a track becaseu that was the deal when you buy them, they arent street legal to my understanding.

you can only find a FXX on a track becaseu that was the deal when you buy them, they arent street legal to my understanding.

yupp they arent street legal and only 30 were ever made, one of which went to Michael Schumacher.

you think a Ford GT is better then a Lambo?! :rofl:

you think a Ford GT is better then a Lambo?! :rofl:
dying in a ball.... of.... fire....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VuxDHowi6U

you think a Ford GT is better then a Lambo?! :rofl:

No racing policy = poser material.

The GT40 won Le Mans four times in a row.

best car in the world:

Koenigsegg CCX
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Koenigsegg_CCX_parked.jpg

no race history. Mazda is more legit than they are
whats with the hate? they are still extremely capable cars, how often do you even goto the race track

whats with the hate? they are still extremely capable cars, how often do you even goto the race track

stating facts is hate now?

stating facts is hate now?

in this context it seems like hate to me, fact or not has nothing to do with whether youre hating on lamborghini

in this context it seems like hate to me, fact or not has nothing to do with whether youre hating on lamborghini

ok, so it's your opinion that my stating facts is an opinion of hate. Got it.

yep, you got it :)

In 1999 I thought about buying a countach for a few hours.

I guess that mostly came from being a kid and thinking it was the coolest car ever. Not the reality though. Interior is dreadful.

Epic WinNNNN!!N!NN!N!N!Nnn I love mucielargo

Well, lambos are great if you like dying in a ball of fire.
Dude google Ferrari + fire. Youll find that Ferraris in Singapore burn too. Just siting in traffic lol
Just cus it was not born on the track dont mean it cant surpass its predecessor :)

Well, lambos are great if you like dying in a ball of fire.

LOL! Amazing. I'm putting that in my sig (in a good way, because its funny not because its stupid)

it's funny because it's true.

did you see the photos of the race car driver and his model girlfriend? They were toasty critters.

there's a bunch of sites like this:

http://www.lambounfall.de/lamborghini_murcielago_crash.html

Lol at the hatin in this thread... I mean c'mon guys I love the RX-8 just as much as anybody else, but a Lambo - any lambo - is going to smoke the majority of vehicles in this world, and look really really good doing it. Is there any car more beautiful inside and out than the Reventon?

Lamborghini has no racing pedigree? Well gee they sure are quick...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ckWxoLxiV6I&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1PvyjKll9zc&feature=related

Car looks great, If they dont have any racing history, big deal, it's still a sweet looking, exotic car.

Lots of Exotic Cars dont have racing crap for dilldos about back grounds, psst big deal, people still buy them.

if i were to buy another car of that range it would be an old, real ferrari like the 330 p3 (or p4) or a maserati mc12, i know there were only 12 made but come on, racing pedigree that you can't find on a lambo, to quote mysql... i really think that counts in a way. Also, lamborghini makes 4x4 cars and that's not sporty. That's why i'd go for the mc12 and not the reventon for example.

How is AWD not sporty? What do you feel about Porsche then? And if "racing pedigree" was all that, we'd all be driving Hondas.

I mean seriously, look at this car and tell me that it's not a work of art. It's a stealth fighter on wheels!

http://tugagames.com/victor/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/reventon-1.jpg

Reventon ftw

I can see why some of you don't get it.

A lambo with a body kit that isn't faster than the other lambos, doesn't warrant amazing.

But it does have daylight running lights!

I can see why some of you don't get it.

A lambo with a body kit that isn't faster than the other lambos, doesn't warrant amazing.

But it does have daylight running lights!

Actually that specific lambo is faster than just about anything mazda, ferarri, or ford has out including the GT. It's hardly just a body kit, and its significantly faster than any other lambo ever built.

Actually that specific lambo is faster than just about anything mazda, ferarri, or ford has out including the GT. It's hardly just a body kit, and its significantly faster than any other lambo ever built.

it's got the same 0-60 time as the LP640, which costs 300k.

So by my reckoning, that's a 1.2 million dollar body kit. And you get 17 hp more than the standard LP640. Remind me never to have you recommend anything to me :P

woops. looks like it's only 10 hp more. I need to bring this up next time someone complains about NA mods being expensive for the RX-8.

It seems to me that you're the one not getting it. Fine, forget the Reventon and let's compare the "standard" LP640.... heck take the base Murci; they're all amazing cars by any standard, the epitome of what a supercar should embody.

Now in my personal opinion I would prefer an Aston Martin Vantage or Audi R8, but I can definitely still appreciate Lambo.

It seems to me that you're the one not getting it. Fine, forget the Reventon and let's compare the "standard" LP640.... heck take the base Murci; they're all amazing cars by any standard, the epitome of what a supercar should embody.

Now in my personal opinion I would prefer an Aston Martin Vantage or Audi R8, but I can definitely still appreciate Lambo.

haters are going to hate, why are you even participating in this argument out of pricing between an inexpensive sporty car vs a super car? these supercars are obviously not targeted for them. lets not turn a thread meant to celebrate this car into bitter bickering

Id take ferraris over lamborghini most of the time, but i sure admire them for their performance and styling

It seems to me that you're the one not getting it. Fine, forget the Reventon and let's compare the "standard" LP640.... heck take the base Murci; they're all amazing cars by any standard, the epitome of what a supercar should embody.

Now in my personal opinion I would prefer an Aston Martin Vantage or Audi R8, but I can definitely still appreciate Lambo.

That might be true but hey, you pay a lot of money for a lambo with audi interiors and mechanic. That sucks imho.
Ferrari is part of FIAT, right but a part from some minor interior details the whole technical section is engineered by Ferrari.
And then, relating to the 4wd stuff i'm sure it can be amazing but the feeling you get from driving a serious rwd is totally different and way more satisfactory.
I own an old '87 gtb turbo, 255whp on a 2l turbo engine, about 300 built. I know it hasn't got much power but driving a mid engine-rwd with that heritage is something unique, a feeling you don't get close while driving a 4wd car, obviously in my opinion.
Then, to the reventon again: you posted a pic and that's fine but what about the mc12?

How is AWD not sporty? What do you feel about Porsche then? And if "racing pedigree" was all that, we'd all be driving Hondas.

I mean seriously, look at this car and tell me that it's not a work of art. It's a stealth fighter on wheels!



According to various reviewers, the AWD system in the Murci is pretty unsophisticated, and if it were simply RWD, it'd be lighter and handle more predictably and be an all-around better car.



And Honda has never won LeMans.

According to various reviewers, the AWD system in the Murci is pretty unsophisticated, and if it were simply RWD, it'd be lighter and handle more predictably and be an all-around better car.



And Honda has never won LeMans.

I think Id rather trust the team of word class engineers than some random dude on an internet forum whether AWD is better than RWD for that car.

woops. looks like it's only 10 hp more. I need to bring this up next time someone complains about NA mods being expensive for the RX-8.

:uhh: Google FTW? :lol:

Don't know what's so bad about Audi interiors. And ask all the other cars chasing the Audis tail lights at le Mans about the mechanicals.

According to various reviewers, the AWD system in the Murci is pretty unsophisticated, and if it were simply RWD, it'd be lighter and handle more predictably and be an all-around better car.

Watch the video I posted in this thread of the Gallardo SL owning a R35 GT-R and a 997 Turbo. Then watch the second video of the Murcielago posting a faster lap time than the Pagani Zonda and Koenigsegg, and then come back and tell me about how unsophisticated Lambo's AWD is.

Don't know what's so bad about Audi interiors. And ask all the other cars chasing the Audis tail lights at le Mans about the mechanicals.

exactly audi interiors are among the best out there,

I just find it funny on one hand these guys are all hardcore about lack of racing history and pureness of RWD vs AWD, then they cry about interiors. :)

Watch the video I posted in this thread of the Gallardo SL owning a R35 GT-R and a 997 Turbo. Then watch the second video of the Murcielago posting a faster lap time than the Pagani Zonda and Koenigsegg, and then come back and tell me about how unsophisticated Lambo's AWD is.

I haven't driven one, I was merely mentioning what I've read. But while we're here, how's this: the Murcielago is 17th around the Nordschliefe, beaten by all of the above mentioned cars as well as a Corvette Z06 and two kit cars. How's that for sophistication, fanboi?

I think Id rather trust the team of word class engineers than some random dude on an internet forum whether AWD is better than RWD for that car.

I too never doubt the infallibility of engineers. Because it's expensive and big it's impeccably designed, just like the Tappan-Zee bridge, right?

I too never doubt the infallibility of engineers. Because it's expensive and big it's impeccably designed, just like the Tappan-Zee bridge, right?

I was assessing relative competency of a team of world class automotive engineers vs random guy from the internet who thinks he knows better regarding how to build a super car.

hahaha hey automotive engineers arnt perfect but they sure know a hell lot more about how to build a world class super car than some random guy from the internet any day.

I don't think I even want to see what happens when random guy from the internet tries to design a bridge.

Fanboi.... that was so clever! How does a 3 second differential on a 13 mile course prove anything about sophistication (or lack thereof)? You also 'cleverly' forgot to include the Murci LP640's lap time... man playdoh you were right, there's really no point in arguing.

I may be a fan of Lamborghini, but I'd rather be a fanboi than an e-hater.

^That's because the LP-640 was actually slower. Call me whatever you like, you're still wrong.


edit:
see for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

^That's because the LP-640 was actually slower.

see for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

That lap time you are referring to came from a murci equipped with E-gear shifters, which is essentially equivalent to an automatic transmission. The manufacturer's test run of the standard transmission LP640 clocked in at 7:40

I really don't have any desire to continue this argument... I can appreciate Lambos, you don't, fine. We can agree to disagree.

That lap time you are referring to came from the murci equipped with what is essentially equivalent of an automatic transmission. The manufacturer's test run of the LP640 clocked in at 7:40

-Murcielago LP640 Suck-tacular Edition For One-Legged Millionares is not exempt.

-Source for manufacturer's test run? Not taking your word for it.

-If your claim is correct, that's a 3-second difference from the 571 horsepower Murcielago. 61 extra ponies translated into three seconds. Clearly this car is working with more power than it can effectively use, hence the original gripe with the AWD.

And for the irony:
How does a 3 second differential on a 13 mile course prove anything about sophistication (or lack thereof)?

I really don't have any desire to continue this argument... I can appreciate Lambos, you don't, fine. We can agree to disagree.

Go ahead and love Lambos if you want, I have no problem with that. The point I was trying to make is that you just shouldn't love them (or demand that the rest of us do) because they're ungodly fast, because they aren't.

-If your claim is correct, that's a 3-second difference from the 571 horsepower Murcielago. 61 extra ponies translated into three seconds. Clearly this car is working with more power than it can effectively use, hence the original gripe with the AWD.

And for the irony:

never mind the hundreds of possible factors that effect track time, not the least of which include different driver and track conditions among zillions of other things. Random internet guy decides that "clearly" the reason is AWD

gotta love random internet guy logic! :)
http://climatesecurity.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/temperaturevpirates.gif

playdoh, I think I like your logic better. Take your car, bore the engine for a 10% increase in horsepower. Then, if you drop only 3 seconds over 13 miles, blame the track! Then, overuse the word "random," fail at humor, and declare victory.

playdoh, I think I like your logic better. Take your car, bore the engine for a 10% increase in horsepower. Then, if you drop only 3 seconds over 13 miles, blame the track! Then, overuse the word "random," fail at humor, and declare victory.

hahaha, except i didn't blame the track, i simply suggested that there are so many factors involved its hard to pin it down to AWD :)

unlike you, I am not trying to act like I know the reason why? or that I know better in whats best for the car than a team of world class automotive engineers.

The Lambo's are great cars for looks, or stature they might be worth their price, but from any performance aspect, there is nothing they can do that an Evo can't do better. Including a sophisticated AWD system.

Lambo's can attract some hot girls I guess, but an Evo's got enough room to **** them in. /thread.

The Lambo's are great cars for looks, or stature they might be worth their price, but from any performance aspect, there is nothing they can do that an Evo can't do better. Including a sophisticated AWD system.


that pretty much goes for just about most other super cars from ferrari and other makers too.

There are many cars that are all around better than the stEVO lol its just that they are not the best bang for the buck like the stEVO

No racing policy = poser material.

The GT40 won Le Mans four times in a row.

That Ford GT you pictured has no racing history whats so ever. It's very capable but it's a retro mobile. The original Ford GT40 did have racing heritage.

The Lamborghini pictured is just as legit as the Ford GT. They are not rehashing old cars to cash in off their racing success 50 years ago as in the Ford GT. But, even if I could afford one I would still choose many other cars first. Either way the Lamborghini is a road car first and (Audi design or not) still very capable.

Don't forget the Murciélago R-GT did race and much earlier Lamboghini was an engine supplier for F1.

That Ford GT you pictured has no racing history whats so ever. It's very capable but it's a retro mobile. The original Ford GT40 did have racing heritage.

The Lamborghini pictured is just as legit as the Ford GT. They are not rehashing old cars to cash in off their racing success 50 years ago as in the Ford GT. But, even if I could afford one I would still choose many other cars first. Either way the Lamborghini is a road car first and (Audi design or not) still very capable.

Don't forget the Murciélago R-GT did race and much earlier Lamboghini was an engine supplier for F1.

It's easier to argue your point if you don't take all any of this into consideration:)

Here's the perfect answer to this threat: Stop talking like you own one!!!! You can't afford either GT or Lambo!!!! lol shame shame!!
You guys must have so much free time on your hands!!

i think most of us would agree that lambos are sexy exotic, high-performance cars. that said, i think sql was just pointing out that lambo as a co doesn't have any racing history- which is a legitimate point.

that said, all the bickering is also what prevents this forum from getting boring. :)

that said, all the bickering is also what prevents this forum from getting boring. :)

exactly, I've got nothing better to do at work... except actually work, I guess...

Yeah, I'll take a Mazda with racing history over a lambo with little racing history any day!:banghead:

Here's the perfect answer to this threat: Stop talking like you own one!!!! You can't afford either GT or Lambo!!!! lol shame shame!!
You guys must have so much free time on your hands!!

Speak for yourself. My last RV cost more than a GT. Spending 300k on a car is idiotic though, unless you've got mad money.

^^^ surrrrrrreeeeeeeee.....

uhhh.... low end class A RV's run in the 100k range. For that, I get a queen sized bed, a kitchen, bathroom, and a house on wheels.

might sound dumb but what car are you talking about mysql?
We have loads of different names here so i'm probably mistaking it!

I'm talking about a slow bus. crafted_soul thinks I work at mcdonalds or something.

Eheh, i got that.
Anyway getting back in topic i'm with you thinking that spending 200.000€ for a car is insane.
Then again, a lamborghini can be beautiful but at that price there are other alternatives with "heritage" that i'd enjoy more driving.
For instance both the gt2 and the gallardo superleggera haven't got a belt distribution and they use a chain and are serviced every 10.000km. An f430 scuderia is serviced every 15000 and has got a belt distribution wich is way more useful since the belt doesn't tend to lose tension like a metal chain.

lol...I never said you worked at Mcdonalds..dude...lol .....But even if you're a director or an exe at some well-known company, that doesn't necessarily mean you have extra money lying around to buy a GT or lambo....
If you did, you wouldn't be here arguing with me or even driving an 8. You would be enjoying your "affordable GT". haha

So when you say your RV is worth more than a GT, thats same as you're saying you can afford a lambo cuz you have a house that is worth $500,000. ... .... ... lol..

Just because you have the money for it doesn't mean you get it. I have a friend who is very well off. Know what he drives? A 2002 Jeep and a 2000 nissan pickup (2 door, the small one).

I think when we're all young, we tend to want flashy. As we get older, we come to understand that there are reasons to play things low key. Some people never figure it out, while others never need to.

^^ that's not what I'm trying to say............I never said every rich man was generous/stupid enough to spend/waste 300K on a car.

I'm just saying just cuz you own a house that is worth 500K or you're a CEO at some company doesn't necessarily mean you have some mad extra money lying around to buy a brand new lambo or some exotic car....... anyway..... I'm done here.......lol...this is getting us nowhere.............. peace!

heh. has discussing/arguing stuff on the internets on a car forum ever gotten anyone anywhere?

In my opinion, the only supercar that is both exotic in style and is has truly race-derived engineering is the Porsche Carrera GT, clearly derived from the GT1 LeMans racecar (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2020/1590831822_9436e708ae.jpg?v=0).

Do your own reading and watching.....but the beautiful race-derived V-10, the unparalleled ceramic clutch system, ceramic brakes (Porsche was the first company to make them work on a streetable car), the revolutionary forged magnesium wheels.....I could go on an on. And just LOOK at the thing. Exquisite.

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Note: I'm not excluding Ferrari per se....I know they make brilliant cars. But why were they making V8 and V12 street cars for decades while racing in V10 powered F1 cars? There was just one too many steps in the racetrack-street translation, in my opinion...

I'll take the "SMART CAR" FTW!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f5S1NAMnYKM

I'll take the "SMART CAR" FTW!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f5S1NAMnYKM

LOL.

I saw a yellow and black one on the interstate Friday afternoon. There was a 18-wheeler cruising in the lane just to the right of it which made the Smart look way out of place. I have an open mind when it comes to cars but I couldn't help but laugh. It looked like the driver could reach out and touch the headlight with one hand and touch the taillight with the other if it weren't for the glass.

In my opinion, the only supercar that is both exotic in style and is has truly race-derived engineering is the Porsche Carrera GT, clearly derived from the GT1 LeMans racecar (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2020/1590831822_9436e708ae.jpg?v=0).

Yeah, everything I've read and watched on it before makes the Carrera GT seem one of the most pure-bred machines available out of the top dogs. The sound of that V10 at full throttle (just from various videos that I've seen) gives me chills.

That's my dream SUPERCAR... The Porsche Carrera GT!

Gemballa Carrera GT owns all. Oh, and there is rich, and then there is rich. My boss has six cars total and lives in a $3,000,000.00 home but he is a pauper compared to my friends boss who flies around in his personal helicopter and Jet. It's all about what you own, not what you can make payments on.

Well, my buddy rode along in a Superleggera at Mosport earlier this month. I watched from the pit wall nursing my broken collar bone :banghead:.

All I can say is that racing pedigree or not, awd or rwd, it doesn't much matter, that thing went like all hell, and both the driver, and my friend, had enormous grins on their faces when they got out. Hell, I was giggling on the sidelines. Thats about all you can ask for.

Gemballa Carrera GT owns all. Oh, and there is rich, and then there is rich. My boss has six cars total and lives in a $3,000,000.00 home but he is a pauper compared to my friends boss who flies around in his personal helicopter and Jet. It's all about what you own, not what you can make payments on.
I came back to this mess just to post about the Gemballa Carrera GT that I seen today and look, you where talking about it too! lol :smoker:

Well, my buddy rode along in a Superleggera at Mosport earlier this month. I watched from the pit wall nursing my broken collar bone :banghead:.

All I can say is that racing pedigree or not, awd or rwd, it doesn't much matter, that thing went like all hell, and both the driver, and my friend, had enormous grins on their faces when they got out. Hell, I was giggling on the sidelines. Thats about all you can ask for.
Thats what its all about :)