Iwas told that mazda was sending a special mazda rx8 oil from japan well were the F@@@K is it according to mazda america synthetic oil should NOT be used in the RX8 because it does not fully burn off in the combustion chamber .Recks your seals.

I noticed my mazda dealer uses penrith mixture of synthetic and non synthetic oil.

Does that mean i am partly right .

Why sell a car and not have the proper oil available for its proper use .

MAZDA AUSTRALIA how about getting off your asses and getting us the right oil.. as promised .
michael

You can get Pennzoil 5w-30 purebase mineral oil
from Repco. 5 litres about $30. This completely complies
with Mazda's recommendations.

Originally posted by dbb
You can get Pennzoil 5w-30 purebase mineral oil
from Repco. 5 litres about $30. This completely complies
with Mazda's recommendations.

Thanks ddb however i just had my 10,000km service so i will have to wait till the next time .

michael

Good tip dbb. Just topped mine up for the second time. Put .5 L in at 2000km and just put another .5L in at about 3500.

Looks like redlining does affect usage :D

Why don't you go ask Mazda instead.

What he said :D

My Mazda contacts say that they only have BULK oil at this stage, not retail packs.

Was told to check back late november

Rob

Penrite HPR-40

Its simply the best.

In the U.S., the manual says 5-20 for all temperatures. There is no recommendation of type in the manual, but other sources say to stay away from synthetic. At least some dealers I've heard about are using Castrol, a well regarded brand here. So am I.
The light weight is supposed to help mileage. I hate to think of even worse mileage than I've been getting on a reasonably driven standard engine automatic -- as low as 14.5 mpg (U.S.) in 80% city driving, only about 22 all on the road.

I've posted this before somewhere but I'll post it again.

The correct oil to use is the Mazda 5W-30 MINERAL Oil.

It is the only oil formulated for Rotary Turbo and N/A Engines.

Don't use anything else !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want the part numbers I'll get them. If they say they can't get them in retail packs its bullshit as lil old NZ has them in both 2l and 4l packs.

And if any Kiwi's are on here. If they are not using the 5W-30 get your cars serviced here we use it on all RE's

Bring it to North Harbour Mazda we have drums of the stuff :D

Hoep this helps :D

Spoke to mazda yesterday and they told me that its coming , heck they have been saying that for ages i think mazda has apolicy of feeding the customer plenty of B/S if new zealand has the right oil why dont we .

Recently i spoke to a leading car journo who is currently looking into the RX8 regarding :

POWER ISSUES CAR NOT PRODUCING CORRECT POWER .
GAS MILEAGE ISSUES .
Engine failure issues in australia and overseas .
MAZDA not using right oil in servicing the rx8s
Mazda keeping owners in the dark and generrally feeding them B/S
OIL WARNING LIGH ISSUES .
Only 1 oil cooler issues
Car condenser and oil cooler not being adequately protected .
Hymees grill .

Maestro

Could you get the mazda oil part numbers i will e-mail them personally to head honcho MALCOLM GOUGH ,and try to get a

straight answer.
If i have forgotten any other issues with mazda feel free to let me know , dont get me wrong i love the rx8 but i want honest answer to the rx8 issues and not BULLSHIT.

I'll give you the part numbers

Don't get me in trouble though

I really enjoy working for Mazda :D

L & L, keep us informed on what and where the journo is writing

Perhaps less BS on the forum will result. :)

Gee, L&L, I admire your ability to get the best out of people! Talking to a journo in the hope that a bit of bad press might stir Mazda into action! That's what I call diplomacy in action. I'm sure they'll jump through hoops after that!

labrat

Diplomacy was always the prefered option , but to be diplomatic both sides have to play ball so far mazda has overlooked this forum and continued in their merry way of deception , maybe if some true facts are published in the paper they will sit up and listen for a change .

One thing I don't want is the Media to pick up on the "RX8 is a lemon" bandwagon.

It's not. It's a great car and I get joy every time I drive it.

It is also a business car and I want the car to have decent resale when the lease expires (so I can get a new RX8 or an RX7 etc...).

If the media (which has been great so far, especially Wheels) dumps on the car, then I guess the resale will not be so good, and I will be several thousand out of pocket ...

I don't think car manufacturers ignore things like web based forums, I think they could potentially be scared of them (possibly being a huge faceless angry mob).

Imagine there was a fan site for you as an individual and there was a bunch of people on it saying you did strange things with animals...

Bad example? I'm not sure. But I've always got a good response to questions direct to Mazda as an individual.

L&L, I agree with dbb... this is a great car, and I'd hate to see a lot of "lemon" press, when it simply isn't true!

I agree with the above, however I think Mazda has a lot to answer for and maybe this is the sort of pressure that is required for them to pull their collective fingers out....

I'm sure that Mazda does look at this forum. It doesn't mean they say "how high" when we say jump. I'm also not so sure they have a lot to answer for. Being in the manufacturing business in a miniscule way, I know that you have to be very careful about how you handle complaints and how you react to criticism.

I think the power issue has been dealt with satisfactorily by Mazda. They are probably leaving the cooler protection to the after market for this model, and will pick it up in the "freshen up model". All the other things are quite minor.

Because the Internet is what it is, a forum for everyone which has a tendency to attract more than its fair share of interesting personalities, I think that Mazda looks at the goings on here with a certain degree of circumspection.

Can I suggest some politely written letters written with a regard to good grammar and spelling and setting out clearly what may be held to be common concerns, might have a better chance of making an impact?

I'm going now to enjoy the drive home in my 8......

Originally posted by Lock & Load
Spoke to mazda yesterday and they told me that its coming , heck they have been saying that for ages i think mazda has apolicy of feeding the customer plenty of B/S if new zealand has the right oil why dont we .

Recently i spoke to a leading car journo who is currently looking into the RX8 regarding :

POWER ISSUES CAR NOT PRODUCING CORRECT POWER .
GAS MILEAGE ISSUES .
Engine failure issues in australia and overseas .
MAZDA not using right oil in servicing the rx8s
Mazda keeping owners in the dark and generrally feeding them B/S
OIL WARNING LIGH ISSUES .
Only 1 oil cooler issues
Car condenser and oil cooler not being adequately protected .
Hymees grill .

:mad: Well, I just hope that journalist works on FACTS and not on rumour and innuendo. I have not seen many INDIVIDUAL forum members come forward with major problems. And, where they have come forward, Mazda has responded to them -- VERY well, better than most other mfrs.

Mazda has acknowledged the power issues.

The gas mileage claim is as accurate as any other mfr, as far as I can detect (certainly, my av fuel economy is BELOW the brochure claim)

Those engines that have failed have been dealt with very fairly, from what I read (and most generously, in Kas's case.

The oil light warning issue has been handled well -- it is a oil level sender issue, not an actual dangerous condition, and Mazda have responded to that, and rectified it in later builds.

The oil issue has been done to death. I have seen the Mazda bulleting that specifies a range of oils that can be used including Mobil1 0-40w, as used by my dealer. If that's what the dealer puts in (even if too much :eek:) then that is what the 3yr unlimited k warranty will work on -- it is MAZDA's risk, at least in my case, cos I drive at leats 1,000k/wk)

One oil cooler vs two, may be an issue but we would need evidence that oil temps are a problem here. IME, two coolers increases risks of oil leakage (that was in my old Datto 1600 rally car)

No protection for the condensor and oil cooler was definitely an oversight, but am not sure Mazda is on its own there!

Overall, my initial experience with my 8 has been fantastic. I love driving it. I love looking at it.

Apart from some minor irritations, I see absolutely no reason for anyone to bag it to press, which may have the effect of reducing my car's resale value.

It is a great car, a great drive, and deserves to be Wheels COTY

Timbo

:mad: :mad:

Some of the forum members are jumping to conclusions no one mentioned lemon and rx8 in the same breath , i have simply told this particular journalist that YES the rx8 is a great car but it has had a few issues and told him that he should research these for themselves and not only rely on mazda for all their information .

The person concerned has been given the forum address and will be making his own extensive investigation into the rx8 warts and all .

I love my car just as much as any other forum member , however i am not blind i see the good with the not so good , some of the forum members are more concerned with the reputation of the rx8 and the resale value of the car , and refuse to admitt that the rx8 is great however not perfect .

michael

Whilst I have read and understand the problems that have been experienced by the readers and users of this forum, there seems to be a remarkably antagonistic view of their dealer when it comes to after sales service. Of course there are issues on both sides of the fence but the only serious problem seems to have been resolved satisfactorily (ie. KAS and Mazda). I speak only from the perspective of a prosective owner who is anxiously awaiting delivery and who has faith in the supplier and quality of the product. ie people are exceeding 20K on this car, maybe i'm naive but i'm happy to trust in manufacturers recommendations, they know more about the car than i do and i'll stand by their reputation. At least until I know better!

I want to go on record as saying this very loud...

I have no issues with my car.

I've never had any issues with my car.

My dealings with Mazda Australia have benn satisfactory.

My dealings with Brookvale Mazda sales were excellent.

My dealings with Brookvale Mazda service are excellent - from first contact and ongoing.

I am 100% happy and satisfied with my car.

Yes, I'd like more power - HEAPS MORE POWER!!! Someday I'll address that. I intended to do it anyway.

Yes, I'd love one of Hymee's grill kits.

My car is RED and I wake up relieved to know this everytime I have a nightmare about evil fiends spraying my car yellow in the dark of the night :)


PS I'm not trying to fuel an arguement, these are my feelings and I love the car!

WRT the original topic...

I let Mazda service put the "appropriate" oil in. If I have issues, then problem belong them.

I don't know why synthetic oil is worst than mineral oil for burning. Synthetic oil is the same molecular structure of carbon and hydrogen atoms, it just gets made in a factory, rather than coming out of the ground. Hydrocarbons burn don't they?

Thanks Kev - I'll put you down for a grill ;)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hymee

The thread in america they definetely say NOT to use syntethic oil , AND AS U WOULD HAVE READ THE MAZDA OIL IS AVAILABLE IN NEW ZEALAND , So i am still in the dark , having an each way bet i am using semi synthetic and minerol oil .

/* this could all be wrong */

My understanding of synthetic vs mineral is this :

When Ze Germans were first trying to make synthetic oils
early last century, they tried to duplicate mineral oils exactly. And this is still possible. As Hymee said, it is essentially the same stuff.

However, Mineral oils tend to have impurities. Things which are hard to crack, such as parrifins and other waxes. These waxes lower the shear strength of the oil, meaning they will break down easier. Oil companies add long chain polymers to mineral oils to boost the shear strength - whereas they tend not to do this with the much purer synthetic oils. Even this additional additive tends not to work as well as synthetics, however, such that mineral oils tend not to last as long as servicable oils.

Here is where the Mazda bit kicks in :

Synthetics don't break down as easily, they burn at higher temperatures. They work better. The Rotary must burn oil to lubricate the the seals. If the oil doesn't burn, then deposits can build up. This can lead to plug fouling.

Also, long term exposure of the seals to oil can cause them to swell, causing engine failure. This is far less likely to happen to Mineral oils, because the Mineral oils burn off quicker.

Now, I spoken to Rotary Heaven here in Adelaide, and they recommend Synthetic oils for their cars. Race cars. They don't recommend them for Street cars. Their reasoning is that they strip down their engines and replace the seals frequently - elimintating the buildup.

... and to continue, as I understand it also (there is no 'the thread' on this issue -- there are many;) ), the Renesis seals are different to previous rotary seals and hence synthetic oil is regarded as acceptable -- hence my dealer using Mobil1.

As Hymee says, I will use what they put in and then it is their problem.

dbb

Thanks for your input , i may be coming to adelaide around the end of february , but first i have to go to melbourne for my nephews wedding , his father in law has the AUDI , BENTLEY AND ASTONMARTIN DEALERSHIP , handy contact as my next ride is going to be the new Aston Martin Vantage v8, this car is going to compete with the 911 carrera at around the same price .

However i intend to keep the rx8 as a daily driver .

I have already reserved the numberplates AMVO8.

Originally posted by Lock & Load
dbb

Thanks for your input , i may be coming to adelaide around the end of february , but first i have to go to melbourne for my nephews wedding , his father in law has the AUDI , BENTLEY AND ASTONMARTIN DEALERSHIP , handy contact as my next ride is going to be the new Aston Martin Vantage v8, this car is going to compete with the 911 carrera at around the same price .

However i intend to keep the rx8 as a daily driver .

I have already reserved the numberplates AMVO8.

Do you mean the new DB9? I don't think Aston Martin would make one in yellow :)

KEV

Aston martin is making 2 models 1 being the larger more expensive DB9 , and the shorter aston martin vantage v8 which should sell for the same price as the porsche at around $ 240,000

The car has been featured in lots of magazines and looks great , they are using a lot of new technology on this car .

Since i will be keeping the rx8 i will be getting some other colour , most likely silver , it looks great in the photoes .

MICHAEL

KEV

SITE on AMV8

www.auto123.com/en/info/news/previews,view,Aston%20Martin.spy?artid=9470&pg=2

In some angles its got a bit of the rx8 in it .

KEV

Here are the specs for the AMV8 VANQUISH

Specifications:

Price (est MSRP): $170,000
Body Type: 2-door coupe
Layout: front engine, RWD
Engine (est): 400 hp, 400 lb-ft, 4.3-L, 32-valve, DOHC V8
Transmission (est): 6-spd man (opt 5-spd auto)
Performance (est 0 - 100 km/h): 4.8 seconds
Performance (est top-speed): 298 km/h (185 mph)
Brakes (front/rear): disc/disc, ABS
Curb Weight: 1,500 kg (3,307 lb)
Length: 4,347 mm (171.1 in)
Width: 1,874 mm (73.8 in)
Height: 1,298 mm (51.1 in)
Wheelbase: 2,600 mm (102.4 in)
Direct Competitors: Ferrari 360 Modena, Lamborghini Gallardo, Maserati 4200 GT, Mercedes-Benz SL55, Porsche 911 Turbo
Web Site: www.astonmartin.ca

Oh, a Vanquish. My absolute favourite. (The only car in the world I'd consider in green with tan leather!)

Price though ... $170,000, I thought it'd be more like $550,000 plus in Oz.

For $170,000 I'd even have it if it was yellow :)

You know, I've always wanted a DB4, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it to the car (living too close to the ocean - watching a bond mobile rust would break my heart!)

Here is the oil

It doesn't look like much. But if you read the back it will say how its specially formulated for the rotary engine.

Mazda 5W-30 SJ Motor Oil
K200W0528M 200 Litre Drum
K200W0528M4 4 Litre pack (order in multiples of 4)
K200W0528M2 2 Litre pack (order in multiples of 8)

Also regaurding the oil cooler cover.

My question would be why do you need one ????

I've had 3 RX-7's

2 with twin oil coolers (eg. FD RX-7) front mounted like the RX-8 and I have never ever had any problems with the oil coolers.

Also our RX-8's have nothing wrong with them at work and they are driven daily.

My suggestion is if works fine leave it.

The flys you hit won't hurt the oil cooler.

I remeber my RX-7 has 143,000km on the clock now.

So my thoughts................. Don't worry about the cooler.

Hot this helps the oil debarkele

Maestro

Thanks for the info on the oils .

So as they say oils aint just oils hmmmmm.

michael

LOL

Shhheeeeezzz

My spelling skills got really bad on the end of the last post !!!

Call it my Kiwi accent !!!

LOL :P

Originally posted by Maestro
LOL

Shhheeeeezzz

My spelling skills got really bad on the end of the last post !!!

Call it my Kiwi accent !!!

LOL :P

Careful Maestro -- don't start us :D

I can handle you Aussie ' BAAAAAAA-Stards !'

LOL

Hey there are some RX-8 specified oil in Japan - I am going to hunt that down. I saw it in the Option Japan Magazine coverage of the RX8 meet in Japan during Sept

Meastro,

I heard you can handle sheep better than us bastards. :p And sheep will push back at the top of the cliff...

Seriously - what were you asking about the "oil cooler cover"? If a rock lunched my A/C condensor (and at least 1 others I know of), then chances are fair that a rock could do the same to the oil cooler. Or did I miss your point?

Cheers,
Hymee.

Q - How do kiwis find sheep in long grasses?



A - Very Satisfying ;)

* red oil can is back *

Little blue car is just hemoraging oil and gas.

There should be a 5,000 check up I think * grin *

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