View Full Version : Philly Cops Gone Wild!


RX-GR8
05-07-2008, 10:02 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/national/main4076961.shtml

(CBS/AP) A half-dozen police officers kicked and beat three suspects pulled from a car during a traffic stop as a TV helicopter taped the confrontation, and the city's police commissioner said "it certainly does not look good."

The video, shot by WTXF-TV, shows three police cars stopping a car on a city street on Monday, two days after a city officer responding to a bank robbery was fatally shot.

The tape shows about a dozen officers gathering around the vehicle and pulling three men out. About a half-dozen officers hold two of the men on the ground. Both are kicked repeatedly, while one is seen being punched; one also appears to be struck with a baton.

The third man is also kicked and ends up on the ground.

"On the surface it certainly does not look good in terms of the amount of force that was used," Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey said. "But we don't want to rush to judgment."

The officers were responding to a report of a shooting nearby, police said.

Ramsey said Philadelphia officers have been on edge since Saturday, when Officer Stephen Liczbinski was fatally shot with an assault rifle after a robbery in the city's Port Richmond section. One of the robbery suspects was fatally shot by police, another was arrested Sunday and a third remains on the lam.

"We want to look at the video. And I think it's important to remember that these individuals had been observed involved at a triple shooting at the time," Ramsey said. "There is also a lot of heightened emotions since Sgt. Liczbinski was murdered on the streets just Saturday."

Liczbinski was the third officer slain on duty in the city in the last two years.

D. Scott Perrine, a lawyer representing the three suspects, said that as terrible as the officer's death was, it does not excuse such actions by police.

"We don't take into consideration the emotions of police officers when it comes to the discharge of their duties. ... Your emotional state, being tired, doesn't justify what's on that video," Perrine said.

Perrine said one of his clients, Dwayne Dyches, suffered a welt on his head the size of a baseball and that one of his legs was seriously injured. He said police would not allow him to meet with Dyches alone in the hospital Monday night. Perrine said he now also represents the other two men in the car, Brian Hall and Pete Hopkins, but he did not know the extent of their injuries.

The attorney said he did not know what preceded the traffic stop in the city's Hunting Park neighborhood, but that the video shows an unjustified police beating.

"It clearly shows a lack of any reasonable investigation before these police yank these individuals out of the car and take turns delivering blows," Perrine said. "This is a time for a thorough investigation to see what it is that happened here. The question is 'Did they have probable cause?"'

The police involved in the beating are being put on desk duty during the department's investigation, reports CBS News reporter Tara Mergener.

A court official said late Tuesday that the defendants had been charged with criminal conspiracy, aggravated assault, simple assault and reckless endangering. Bail for Hopkins was set at $1 million and for Hall at $300,000, while Dyches was awaiting arraignment.

Perrine said the aggravated assault charge was intended to justify the officers' acts.

"Look at that video and try to determine if these guys even had a chance," Perrine said.

Lt. Frank Vanore, a police spokesman, did not immediately return a call for comment from The Associated Press.

dillsrotary
05-07-2008, 10:05 AM
Probably eagles fans

Socket7
05-07-2008, 10:18 AM
Jeez. It's like the police WANT to make people angry enough to start shooting at them.

If they were shaken up from the death of a fellow officer. Why didn't they take time off rather then beating the ever loving shit out of 3 innocent civilians.

criminal conspiracy, aggravated assault, simple assault and reckless endangering? Thats what you get when they don't actually have anything to hold you on. No weapons found? No drugs? Criminal conspiracy to commit what?

This is why police get a bad rep. These officers will probably get medals for what I'd go to jail for 20 years for.

Feras
05-07-2008, 10:19 AM
criminals should probably lay low, one of philly's officers got killed last saturday and one of the suspects is on the loose. Put those two things together and vigilantism even amongst the police is gonna occur.

Socket7
05-07-2008, 11:17 AM
PEACE officers need to be above petty vigilantism as they are accountable to no one.

It's to serve and protect not to punish and abuse.

MazdaManiac
05-07-2008, 11:42 AM
It's to serve and protect not to punish and abuse.

I guess you haven't spent much time in Filthadephia.

Feras
05-07-2008, 11:44 AM
PEACE officers need to be above petty vigilantism as they are accountable to no one.

It's to serve and protect not to punish and abuse.

its a matter of reality vs. idealism, yes ideally we would like them to treat this as if nothing mattered, justice is blind, continue operations as normal... but lets make a hypothetical, say for instance your brother was killed by the mob and you knew they were still after you, wouldn't you be a little bit on edge, more ready to jump at the first sign of something suspicious?
In philadelphia there is a lot of crime and a lot of those criminals would love to take out a cop. Did these cops go a little bit overboard...maybe, but do i understand why they are on edge and why they may be a little bit more forceful...absolutely. They are worried about themselves and their brethren and they have to find justice for their fallen brother.

dshiznit1489
05-07-2008, 11:49 AM
Probably eagles fans

lulz.

Davey's RX-8
05-07-2008, 11:59 AM
Seems rather odd to me that these guys have such a high bail on them for relatively low level and obviously trumped up charges stemming from a traffic stop. Philly justice as its finest.

Bamablocker
05-07-2008, 12:21 PM
why are there even cops in Philly? they can't win

tajabaho1
05-07-2008, 12:30 PM
philly should just abolish their cops, let the people shoot each other

Bamablocker
05-07-2008, 12:38 PM
^haha yea, much like Chicago. the only thing worth killin anybody over in Philly is if somebody steals either your 8 or your steak sandwich. man i love those things!!

Cattywampus
05-07-2008, 12:50 PM
Let the monday night quarterbacking begin. What Socket said about the charges is true but vague at best. It's a new media article so judgement on this from that article i about as useless as tits on a snake.

crafted_soul
05-20-2008, 04:16 PM
Finally!!! Justice! :D it's all over on every newspapers though...but here's a link to the Seattle Times.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004425736_ndig20.html

So tell me...if it's still useless and false

crafted_soul
05-20-2008, 04:22 PM
if the link doesn't work...here's the news

Nation Digest

4 policemen fired by commissioner

In a remarkably quick action, Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey on Monday fired four police officers and disciplined four others for taking part in a dramatic videotaped beating of three shooting suspects that cast the department in an embarrassing light.

Two weeks after a television news helicopter captured police officers apprehending the three suspects amid a flurry of kicks and punches, Ramsey and Mayor Nutter moved to impose discipline, and to send a message to the public and the Police Department that misconduct will not be tolerated.

"All of us, as law-enforcement officers, have to understand that, unlike criminals on the street, we have rules that we have to abide by. We have policies. We have procedures," said Ramsey, who took over the department in January.

rx8speeddmon
05-21-2008, 11:44 PM
Let the monday night quarterbacking begin. What Socket said about the charges is true but vague at best. It's a new media article so judgement on this from that article i about as useless as tits on a snake.

hey, hey, be nice here! Male snakes would not appreciate you taking away their play toys!:lol:

faboo
05-22-2008, 09:50 AM
oooooohhhh....Desk duty.....

rx8speeddmon
05-22-2008, 11:23 AM
^^ hmm, the way I read it maybe just didn't make sense. I read where they were fired, which is a little different than desk duty.

if the link doesn't work...here's the news

Nation Digest

4 policemen fired by commissioner

In a remarkably quick action, Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey on Monday fired four police officers

crafted_soul
05-22-2008, 12:59 PM
They deserve it!! I hate when professionals become unprofessionals.........

It's like ......you go to work and being extremely rude to your client, and scream at your boss just cuz your brother has died a day before.........what will happen if you do that? Ofcourse you'll probably get fired...
It's very sad that your brother has died but that doesn't mean you need to take it out on others while you're at work...lol....

If you're emotionally unstable because of some tragedy in your life, you should just stay home and play some grandthef auto!!! hahahaha.....not go around and beat up people while you're on duty.

Jethro Tull
05-22-2008, 01:17 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/national/main4076961.shtml

I blame the Flyers.

crafted_soul
05-22-2008, 01:23 PM
Yours is dated May 7th. Mine came out on May 20th.........So I assume..they're already done investigating and therefore...they were fired?

Davey's RX-8
05-22-2008, 02:04 PM
Waiting for Arlen Specter to call for an independent investigation as to why Bill Belichick wasn't more involved in these police officer's being fired.....