I took my car to the dealership the other day cuz the belts needed to be tightened and they did a recall on the car.
This is what it states on the invoice:

E** Recall #MSP16
Cause: Recall
XXDOZXFX SB 01-013 / 08 MSP 16 - Engine Lack of Power
FC: 9999
Part# 7777-18-029
Count: 0
Claim Type: A
Auth Code: A0805A

46300 Reprogram PCM to latest calibration.

Anyone hear of this recall? and what it is? :dunno:

I had the last recall done to my car when they changed the spark plugs but that's it. . . . .?

Yes.. its been out since late december.. just try searching for "msp16" and you will get a myriad of results.

Simply enough, it was a ecu reflash that altered the operation of the omp at certain times.. Mazda continuously trying to solve the lubrication problem.

edit: I should add that it was released in late December but didn't come to light as a full blown recall until mid-March.

yup, got my done a month ago after a misfire, i had a major loss of low end power after that misfire and got new sparks, new coils, new flash and am very happy :)

Yep, read the tech section for more info.

Yes.. its been out since late december.. just try searching for "msp16" and you will get a myriad of results.

Simply enough, it was a ecu reflash that altered the operation of the omp at certain times.. Mazda continuously trying to solve the lubrication problem.

The flash came out mid-late November, but not official a recall until Mid-March, I guess they do it like this so the RX-8 will not flood the dealerships across all the states.

Second, it increased the OMP rate(again) to see if it can aid the premature wear of the center of the apex seals.

third, it advance the start up timing to aid engine start up when its hot.

The flash came out mid-late November, but not official a recall until Mid-March, I guess they do it like this so the RX-8 will not flood the dealerships across all the states.

Second, it increased the OMP rate(again) to see if it can aid the premature wear of the center of the apex seals.

third, it advance the start up timing to aid engine start up when its hot.

holy lol, nycgps.. as I was editing my post you typed almost the same exact thing as I did! check my original post :)

ok. another question, Im the original owner of my car and i obviously love it. how long would you say our engines will last? i've only owned mazda. 626, then protege now the 8.
My 626 had over 300,000 miles on when when i got rid of it,
and my protege had over 150,000 and was still running great.
In your opinion will the 13b last just as long if not longer?

The reason i say this, at my work there's a new guy that decided to talk SH!T about the 8's behind my back. then my co worker told me what he said...

He's an ex car salesman so he thinks he knows all there is to know about cars.

But he was all saying how 8's constantly leak oil, and asked my co workers if my engine has blown up cuz' the rotarys suck.

I confronted him and told him he's a moron and that they dont leak oil, that they consume it for the apex seals and that rotary engines will last just as long as a piston engine if you take care of it.

Oh, and after having the recall done on your car, what changes if any did you notice?

ok. another question, Im the original owner of my car and i obviously love it. how long would you say our engines will last? i've only owned mazda. 626, then protege now the 8.
My 626 had over 300,000 miles on when when i got rid of it,
and my protege had over 150,000 and was still running great.
In your opinion will the 13b last just as long if not longer?

The reason i say this, at my work there's a new guy that decided to talk SH!T about the 8's behind my back. then my co worker told me what he said...

He's an ex car salesman so he thinks he knows all there is to know about cars.

But he was all saying how 8's constantly leak oil, and asked my co workers if my engine has blown up cuz' the rotarys suck.

I confronted him and told him he's a moron and that they dont leak oil, that they consume it for the apex seals and that rotary engines will last just as long as a piston engine if you take care of it.

Oh, and after having the recall done on your car, what changes if any did you notice?

What you said sums it up seemingly well: "they consume it for the apex seals and that rotary engines will last just as long as a piston engine if you take care of it." Your friend is a moron indeed, sucks to be scared about what you know nothing about. There are plenty of people with 100k+ renesis'...

200 to 300k depending how often you redline it and do the carbon cleaning.

Also depends upon how drive.

Expo's engine got rebuilt just after 105K miles. His engine was still running when he brought it in, but the rebuilder found a fair amount of wear on the eccentric shaft bearings as well as signs of uneven wear on the apex seals from a presumed lack of lubrication. Now, he has been running his in races on the odd weekend so there is some hard use in there, but from that analysis, I would think that with care 150K miles is about what they'll do with perfect maintenance. That's just my opinion of course. It will be interesting to see what more data shows as more engines get well over 100K miles.

Hey do you guys think my dealership will give me this recall if I took off my cat and put on a strait pipe?

they did the recall for mine and i didn't have a cat at the time. but i got tired of the smell from not having the cat on and my CEL on all the time. so i put a cat on the other day. much happier now.

This is NOT a recall. It is a service bulletin. If it was a recall, owners would have received a letter from MNAO. That means, in theory at least, that the procedure will not be applied to a car unless the owner reports certain problems. However, most reasonable dealers will do the update for you anyway if you ask.

ok. another question, Im the original owner of my car and i obviously love it. how long would you say our engines will last? i've only owned mazda. 626, then protege now the 8.
My 626 had over 300,000 miles on when when i got rid of it,
and my protege had over 150,000 and was still running great.
In your opinion will the 13b last just as long if not longer?

The reason i say this, at my work there's a new guy that decided to talk SH!T about the 8's behind my back. then my co worker told me what he said...

He's an ex car salesman so he thinks he knows all there is to know about cars.

But he was all saying how 8's constantly leak oil, and asked my co workers if my engine has blown up cuz' the rotarys suck.

I confronted him and told him he's a moron and that they dont leak oil, that they consume it for the apex seals and that rotary engines will last just as long as a piston engine if you take care of it.

Oh, and after having the recall done on your car, what changes if any did you notice?

The new guy in your office is an idiot. Tell him to proof that how does a 8 constantly leak oil ? and how does Rotary engine suck ? does he even know what Rotary engine is ? How does it work? Also ask him which engine at 257 pound can output 230 horsepower ? Also, if Rotary engine suck, why did it just won the 24 hour race ?

To people like this, u gotta stick his words back up to his ass so he will stfu.

This is NOT a recall. It is a service bulletin. If it was a recall, owners would have received a letter from MNAO. That means, in theory at least, that the procedure will not be applied to a car unless the owner reports certain problems. However, most reasonable dealers will do the update for you anyway if you ask.

It is, in fact, a recall buddy ...

Confirmed by our *On-the-Forum* tech Kevin.

and I just got a card saying I need to go do the recall ... planning to go let Kevin to do it plus a few things need him to check ...

It is, in fact, a recall buddy ... Confirmed by our *On-the-Forum* tech Kevin. and I just got a card saying I need to go do the recall ... planning to go let Kevin to do it plus a few things need him to check ...
How about posting a copy of the "card" from Mazda corporate calling this a recall and telling what the recall is all about? Short of that, I stand by my comments--buddy!

How about posting a copy of the "card" from Mazda corporate calling this a recall and telling what the recall is all about? Short of that, I stand by my comments--buddy!

Go ask Kevin ! :rant: :rant: :rant:

Im trying to scan my recall card in. hold.

Hey guys I just contacted my Mazda Dealer and I asked him what has been done and I haven't had any Reflash done. I'm hoping to get in to have this current one done soon. I was just wondering if thsi will cause any mpg loss or will it in the long run help with that.

This IS a recall.. not only did the Mazda dealership identify as such but it shows up everywhere else as one.

How about posting a copy of the "card" from Mazda corporate calling this a recall and telling what the recall is all about? Short of that, I stand by my comments--buddy!

You are wrong. The MSP16 Reflash is a RECALL. If you want other proof, type your VIN into the Mazda corporate web-site, and you will see it listed under open recalls. It got transferred from a TSB to a Recall about a month ago.

The Decarb and such look to just be TSBs.

ok. another question, Im the original owner of my car and i obviously love it. how long would you say our engines will last? i've only owned mazda. 626, then protege now the 8.
My 626 had over 300,000 miles on when when i got rid of it,
and my protege had over 150,000 and was still running great.
In your opinion will the 13b last just as long if not longer?

The reason i say this, at my work there's a new guy that decided to talk SH!T about the 8's behind my back. then my co worker told me what he said...

He's an ex car salesman so he thinks he knows all there is to know about cars.

But he was all saying how 8's constantly leak oil, and asked my co workers if my engine has blown up cuz' the rotarys suck.

I confronted him and told him he's a moron and that they dont leak oil, that they consume it for the apex seals and that rotary engines will last just as long as a piston engine if you take care of it.

Oh, and after having the recall done on your car, what changes if any did you notice?

There was, recently a guy on the 7club who has his original engine just past 250k miles. Though there has been some worries with the Rennie lasting a long time, I just don't see a reason on what's causing it, so for now, just keep up on maintenance and keep in sound mind that you should last for well over 100k miles....at least, that is in theory.

...The reason i say this, at my work there's a new guy that decided to talk SH!T about the 8's behind my back. then my co worker told me what he said...

He's an ex car salesman so he thinks he knows all there is to know about cars...


Umm...he's talking about your car. Not your mother or your wife or girlfriend.

He's an ex car salesman.

So why do you care at all what he says about anything?

If you do care, the proper response is to laugh and shake your head. Maybe throw in "Isn't that cute."

If you confront him or rebut, you've lost. Next thing you know he'll make fun of what you eat for lunch.

Ken

Umm...he's talking about your car. Not your mother or your wife or girlfriend.


Ken

Some people here have spent more on their 8 then either of the other two combined. :lol:

Dated 03/14/2008
Read at :
[/B]http://www.finishlineperformance.com/pdf/rx8/bulletin/01-013-08-1925.pdf

Dated 03/14/2008
Read at :
[/B]http://www.finishlineperformance.com/pdf/rx8/bulletin/01-013-08-1925.pdf

You know there are days that I could just strangle Mazda NA manager by manager.

For about a month up to three days ago, I could log onto the Mazda web-site and find a "Recall Warning" for the MSP16 reflash. That warning is now gone.

I apologize to Go48, and I have no idea whether this thing is a recall or not at this point. It was listed as a recall on that web-site and some members have gotten recall warning notices from dealers.

Personally, I think that Mazda can eat my shorts for making a liar out of me. I've had it. The are f^&*ing *(^&*%^(*&, and that is all that I have to say about the matter.

I just bought my RX8. I had it checked out by the local Mazda dealership prior to closing the deal. I noticed the recall/tsb on the carfax that I ran. I brought this up at the Mazda dealership and they performed the reflash right after I purchased the car. I didn't have to complain about "loss of power". The guys at the service department here seem to be pretty easy going.

You know there are days that I could just strangle Mazda NA manager by manager.

For about a month up to three days ago, I could log onto the Mazda web-site and find a "Recall Warning" for the MSP16 reflash. That warning is now gone.

I apologize to Go48, and I have no idea whether this thing is a recall or not at this point. It was listed as a recall on that web-site and some members have gotten recall warning notices from dealers.

Personally, I think that Mazda can eat my shorts for making a liar out of me. I've had it. The are f^&*ing *(^&*%^(*&, and that is all that I have to say about the matter.

Did Mazda do the Recall / MSP on your car? If so, it dissapears from the website after the recall is done..

Im gonna get mine done this friday..i called the dealer and explained them of my mods (intake+exhaust) they said it's ok just bring it in. Im still under warranty i heard also along with the MSP they do the decarb also..Not sure if that might be correct though.

Did Mazda do the Recall / MSP on your car? If so, it dissapears from the website after the recall is done..

Nope. Haven't had it done, but the guy above saw it on Carfax? TSBs don't show up on Carfax. I am also suspicious because no notice has been sent from Mazda NA yet, which probably should have happened for someone at this point if it is a recall. I feel jerked around.

Yes.. it also shows up on Carfax.. it did on my car when I bought it mid-march. Believe me, it is a RECALL. Call Mazda USA and ask them..

That's what I have been telling everybody up until it got pulled off of the Mazda Owner's page of their web-site. Could just be a computer glitch, but no one has gotten an official paper notice from Mazda NA (they have from dealers but not NA), and that is getting a little suspicious at this point. I'm wondering if they are trying to back pedal?

A few people claim they received the notice... even in this thread..