Had a strange red light experience today. A VW corrado(I think) pulls up, sounding like a mack truck. Revs up, then takes off, with me in the other lane laughing

Here is the strange thing, on his back bumper he had "honda killa" painted in gold italics.

I may be missing something, but when did the ability to beat a honda mean anything?

I mean, "vette killa" sure, but this?

Why not "golf kart killa".

Anyone else seeing strange bumper messages?

I saw this one a long time ago and thought it was pretty funny. It was on the back of this banged up old pickup truck. It said "Recycled Ferrari"....LOL...guess it could have been :-)

My favorite bumper sticker was on the back of an old chevy Impala with a bashed in rear end. Looked like it had been rear ended at least twice. It said "I brake for tailgaters"

I saw a mustang who took the more generic approach. It had "Imports Killer" on the back.

Originally posted by Racer X-8
a mustang had "Imports Killer" on the back.

yeah, i gots good grammars too. w3rd!!

My favorite, by far, are the "Fear This!" stickers. Fear what? Your mullett?

Originally posted by tagS60
My favorite, by far, are the "Fear This!" stickers. Fear what? Your mullett?

That cracks me up to no end!! :D

Obviously you have not seem some hondas on the road. I have friends that would destroy vettes, vipers, whatever you name it. I know that the sticker sounds kinda funny but man there are hondas that are unbelievable out there. Just don't be so quick to cut on hondas.

Originally posted by SikRedRX-8
Obviously you have not seem some hondas on the road. I have friends that would destroy vettes, vipers, whatever you name it. I know that the sticker sounds kinda funny but man there are hondas that are unbelievable out there. Just don't be so quick to cut on hondas.

Again, "honda killa"


How about "trash truck killa"

"yugo killa"?

I'm with you sikred

I've seen some fast hondas

We've all seen fast Honda's, but I'll take a fixed-up Vette over a Honda any day of the week.

Adding hundreds of hp to a Vette is not a hard task, and it already has a jump over any factory Honda.

Now a Honda over a Mustang, I'll agree with that...

this is great, i always love it when someone talks as if the corvette is such a hot rod car, fast yes but not that fast.
Lets face it anyone with the desire and cash can make a lot of cars faster than many other cars.......a vette' sorry guys this is not to hard to do.
I must also add. other than looks...its not the name that makes a car fast anyway. its whats under the hood and whats behind the wheel.

Just because a car looks fast doesnt mean it is and a car may look slow but, i can bet there is someone on this forum that has thought to themselves," oh i can smoke that car it's just a peice of shit honda" and ended up being totally wrong.

Originally posted by Jhouse
i always love it when someone talks as if the corvette is such a hot rod car, fast yes but not that fast.

...and what would be "that fast", hmm??

I was wondering if someone tailgates u and u have that flamethrower in the back of the ,will they get on fire if they get close enough on a freeway?

Originally posted by Dookie_Rx-8
I was wondering if someone tailgates u and u have that flamethrower in the back of the ,will they get on fire if they get close enough on a freeway?

hahahaha... no, i don't think flames from your exhaust will light another car on fire, but it sure as hell will get them to back off!!

I've seen a women with a sticker
if you are gonna ride my ass pull my hair
I thought that was funny

or driver carries no cash I'm married

i saw a 350Z w/ a fine hot chick, that said "Hows the rear view"

Originally posted by Jhouse
this is great, i always love it when someone talks as if the corvette is such a hot rod car, fast yes but not that fast.
Lets face it anyone with the desire and cash can make a lot of cars faster than many other cars.......a vette' sorry guys this is not to hard to do.
I must also add. other than looks...its not the name that makes a car fast anyway. its whats under the hood and whats behind the wheel.

Just because a car looks fast doesnt mean it is and a car may look slow but, i can bet there is someone on this forum that has thought to themselves," oh i can smoke that car it's just a peice of shit honda" and ended up being totally wrong.

Yes, Yes, Yes, any idiot with a 95 accord and enough money can make his car a Corvette-beater. And any Corvette owner can slap a $10,000 aftermarket system on his ride and beat just about any car on the road.

Point is, any Vette can spank 99% of the Hondas on the road, even the "fast" ones.

Originally posted by tagS60
Yes, Yes, Yes, any idiot with a 95 accord and enough money can make his car a Corvette-beater. And any Corvette owner can slap a $10,000 aftermarket system on his ride and beat just about any car on the road.

Point is, any Vette can spank 99% of the Hondas on the road, even the "fast" ones.

agreed.

ive got an rx8, and it can beat damn near anything out there nowadays. i had a 66 mustang when it first came out, and this is a hell of a lot faster, ill tell you that much.

it's deceptively quick.

Originally posted by ichitect
ive got an rx8, and it can beat damn near anything out there nowadays. i had a 66 mustang when it first came out, and this is a hell of a lot faster, ill tell you that much.

There are plenty of cars out there now that will prove otherwise.

thats pretty obvious...

and hence the "damn near"
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Originally posted by tagS60
Yes, Yes, Yes, any idiot with a 95 accord and enough money can make his car a Corvette-beater. And any Corvette owner can slap a $10,000 aftermarket system on his ride and beat just about any car on the road.

Point is, any Vette can spank 99% of the Hondas on the road, even the "fast" ones.

Wrong again. A vette could not beat 99% of the hondas on the road (tuner wise). Most vettes get their asses handed to them on a silver plater. Your almighty vette loses quite a bit to the 4 banger. Why do I say this, because I used to attent so many street races that I saw the vette loose more times than win. You give me 10grand and an Accord, it is game over. Most of us don't come close to spending 10k tuning. Only need about 5-6k to walk your vette.

Originally posted by SikRedRX-8
Wrong again. A vette could not beat 99% of the hondas on the road (tuner wise). Most vettes get their asses handed to them on a silver plater. Your almighty vette loses quite a bit to the 4 banger. Why do I say this, because I used to attent so many street races that I saw the vette loose more times than win. You give me 10grand and an Accord, it is game over. Most of us don't come close to spending 10k tuning. Only need about 5-6k to walk your vette.

It really takes seeing these fast Hondas to have any sort of respect for some people. Keep in mind for every fast Honda there are at least 10 riced out, slow Hondas. In certain parts of the country odds are you'll never actually see a fast Honda. I have yet to actually see one on the streets in Milwaukee, however when I lived in Chicago I came across a couple.

SikRed, the point is that stock the Corvette wipes any stock Honda off the road. Sure you can do a lot to a Honda or Acura for 5-6K, but you can also do a lot to a Vette with 5-6K. And your ride still looks a hell of a lot better :) Why are you such a Vette hater?

stock for stock come on now man, are you serious? We are talking like a 3k civic vs. a 50k corvette. Can you even imagine what I could do to a civic with 47k? Anyways you are wrong a stock corvette cannot beat ANY honda out there stock for stock. The NSX S-Zero or NSX Type-R would rape your precious vette. Also it does take seeing a fast honda to respect them, but I also understand that there is so much garbage out there it really is hard to see the real tuners that keep our cars stock looking and avoid all the rice. I wish they never made that gay ass movie in the first place. And Aussie you could make a 91 Civic CX with only 6k and make it faster than a vette with 6k worth the mods. You probily aren't exposed to some of the things that are done to hondas(I am not talking about the rice boys toys either). And I am not a Vette hater at all, if I could afford a Z06 I would be all over that, but why do you hate on the hondas so much. Not all of us are 2Fast 2 furious or whatever, some of us have been doing honda tuning long before that movie and have had our hondas raping vettes, stangs, camero's, whatever. And I am definetly not saying that muscle cars always lose cause I have had my ass handed to me, as well as friends of mine with 10,11sec hondas. I have a video I would like you to see. Let me find it and I will post it. just to show a lil something.

No disrespect at all to you, just a friendly argument.

Originally posted by SikRedRX-8
stock for stock come on now man, are you serious? We are talking like a 3k civic vs. a 50k corvette. Can you even imagine what I could do to a civic with 47k? Anyways you are wrong a stock corvette cannot beat ANY honda out there stock for stock. The NSX S-Zero or NSX Type-R would rape your precious vette. Also it does take seeing a fast honda o respect them, but I also understand that there is so much garbage out there it really is hard to see the real tuners that keep our cars stock looking and avoid all the rice. I wish they never made that gay ass movie in the first place. And Aussie you could make a 91 Civic CX with only 6k faster than a vette with 6k worth the mods. You probily aren't exposed to some of the things that are done to hondas(I am not talking about the rice boys toys either). And I am not a Vette hater at all, if I could afford a Z06 I would be all over that, but why do you hate on the hondas so much. Not all of us are 2Fast 2 furious or whatever, some of us have been doing honda tuning long before that movie and have had our hondas raping vettes, stangs, camero's, whatever. And I am definetly not saying that muscle cars always lose cause I have had my ass handed to me, as well as friends of mine with 10,11sec hondas. I have a video I would like you to see. Let me find it and I will post it. just to show a lil something.

No disrespect at all to you, just a friendly argument.

I hate the whole modded vs. stock thing even if the cars are very different in price. The argument can go on all day. For instance I can take a DSM with the same budget as the honda and you're get a faster car with the DSM... Lastly, 6k in mods in a honda and 6k in mods in a C5 vette is largely in the vettes favor. You may know about Hondas but 6k in mods on an LT1 makes for a car that a Honda with the same budget will not be able to touch in a straight line.

Ike

Here we go watch this. Oh if you watch his wheels you can see where he forgot he had the ebrake on still. So imagine. Also this wasn't even close to being a stock viper.

http://www.cheesefrog.com/frog/cheezevsal.mpg

That Honda has several thousand dollars in mods and the Viper would have destroyed him at higher speeds. Not to take away from what an accomplishment it is to make a honda that fast, but we're not talking just 6k in mods here. With the money that is out into most of the sub 10 sec Hondas you could buy an exotic.

really, an exotic? To break 11 sec you do not need to spend that much at all. My boys Prelude has less than 13k and is in the mid 11's, oh that is at 5700feet also. That civic I showed racing the viper does have a lot done and a lot of money into it, as he is on hondatech and talks about it. Most of my friends do not the kind of money to buy an exotic with the amount they put in. So what kind of exotic are we talking? Hopefully under 30k cause the hondas we buy only start at 1k-8k at the most. And they sure as hell don't put no 100k into it.

However, even Hondas with built motors and swaps with FI are often left running low 14s and high 13s, you're already over 6k in mods right there. When I said you could buy an exotic I was reffering to the close to or Sub 10 sec Hondas.

Despite the arguments I've read, I'll stand by my earlier statement:

No factory Honda/Acura can take a C5 Vette, LS1 or LS6...drag racing or around the track.

Once the cars are modded, it is simply too subjective to call. But if chosing the best platform to prepare for racing, the C5 is better than anything Honda/Acura builds.

I don't hate S2000's or NSX's, I just don't think they match up.

Originally posted by Red Devil
Despite the arguments I've read, I'll stand by my earlier statement:

No factory Honda/Acura can take a C5 Vette, LS1 or LS6...drag racing or around the track.

Once the cars are modded, it is simply too subjective to call. But if chosing the best platform to prepare for racing, the C5 is better than anything Honda/Acura builds.

I don't hate S2000's or NSX's, I just don't think they match up.

You've obviously never been to an autox event, Hondas (S2Ks mainly) destroy C5s and Z06s on tight twisty tracks like that. And an S2K will take a C5 at a larger track as well, the Z06 is a different story though. The NSX will also take the C5, vettes are not known for their turning prowess unless you get into some serious suspension mods.

stock for stock come on now man, are you serious? We are talking like a 3k civic vs. a 50k corvette. Can you even imagine what I could do to a civic with 47k?

Well, you can never turn it into a car as classy as a vette that's for certain ;) I mean for 47K sure you can make a civic faster, but then you're driving around in a riced up honda civic that you wasted 47k on :)

Anyways you are wrong a stock corvette cannot beat ANY honda out there stock for stock. The NSX S-Zero or NSX Type-R would rape your precious vette.

NSX = 4.7s 0-60, and a 13.4s 1/4 mile.
Vette Z06 3.9s 0-60, 12.4s 1/4 mile.

Regardless, since we're all adults here, aren't we a little old to be talking about one car 'raping' another? That's a moronic statement when you're a 15 year old idiot, but how old are you exactly?

And Aussie you could make a 91 Civic CX with only 6k and make it faster than a vette with 6k worth the mods. You probily aren't exposed to some of the things that are done to hondas(I am not talking about the rice boys toys either).

Um. It would take several of those thousand just to get your Civic CX up to speed with the stock vette. Oh but with your remaining few grand you're going to outdo 6 grand of mods on the vette eh?

I don't "hate on" much of anything. Just calling it as I see it :) No disrespect intended.

Originally posted by SikRedRX-8
Wrong again. A vette could not beat 99% of the hondas on the road (tuner wise). Most vettes get their asses handed to them on a silver plater. Your almighty vette loses quite a bit to the 4 banger. Why do I say this, because I used to attent so many street races that I saw the vette loose more times than win. You give me 10grand and an Accord, it is game over. Most of us don't come close to spending 10k tuning. Only need about 5-6k to walk your vette.

Did I touch a nerve? Like I said, 99% . The 1% is the tuner crowd. The VAST majority of the Hondas on the road are ricers and posers. Even a base corvette will spank them every day. Hell, my Maxima will spank most "tuned" Hondas.

Just because some ricer can pour a bunch of NOS into his system and beat Vettes doesn't mean Vettes are slow or weak.

I don't own a Vette, nor do I have any dislike for Hondas. I just hate to see some misinformed soul spreading poop on the internet.

There is a video on the internet of a Linger. Vette walking all over a heavily modded DSM. Does that mean that all Vettes can walk over every DSM? No, it just means that that individual Vette owner put enough money into his car to hand some ricer his ass. It doesn't do anything to erode the inherent values of either car.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
vettes are not known for their turning prowess unless you get into some serious suspension mods.

Huh? You're kidding, right?

Originally posted by tagS60
Huh? You're kidding, right?

Nope, not kidding, they handle decently well, but not as well from the factory as some of their euro and japanese couterparts.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Nope, not kidding, they handle decently well, but not as well from the factory as some of their euro and japanese couterparts.

Z51 can pull .91
Z06 can pull .98
I'm not sure about the base, but it's in the .88 neighborhood.

Miata can pull .91
What about the S2000?

A Miata or S2k may beat a base Vette with a bad driver on a super tight autox course, but the Vette will pull on any of those cars on a track. I'm not a fan of American iron either, but I give credit where it is due.

http://www.runeb.org/www_docs/Jexoticasite/soundandvideo/Best_Motoring-SuperCar_Race.mpg

Originally posted by tagS60
Z51 can pull .91
Z06 can pull .98
I'm not sure about the base, but it's in the .88 neighborhood.

Miata can pull .91
What about the S2000?

A Miata or S2k may beat a base Vette with a bad driver on a super tight autox course, but the Vette will pull on any of those cars on a track. I'm not a fan of American iron either, but I give credit where it is due.

I like the vettes as well, and yes the Z06 does handle pretty damnwell. But I was talking about a regular ole C5, and gs on a skidpad really only tell part of the story and anything with .88 or better is going to feel pretty damn impressive. But when you consider cars that are similarly priced and heavier with about the same HP can beat it around a track there is something chevy could be doing better. However the C5 probably has the characteristics is does because they sacrifice some handling for comforts sake. Then again Cars like the S4 and M3 handle better, weigh more and are more practical and probably more comfortable. Just for something fun to look at here's a link with track times... track from it what you will.


http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp

Originally posted by SikRedRX-8
Here we go watch this. Oh if you watch his wheels you can see where he forgot he had the ebrake on still. So imagine. Also this wasn't even close to being a stock viper.

http://www.cheesefrog.com/frog/cheezevsal.mpg

Two idiots who are begging to die, most likely taking some poor innocent with them....What is the point?

Anyway, the point to this thread was idiotic bumper messages, anyone have anymore?

sikred
I totally agree with you
and I've been battling many memebers since day one about hondas and other imports not all being RICE
I've been to the street races also and seen mustang,camaros, vettes and other amercian muscle cars get whipped by crx, civic, accord, prelude, intregra's

Some bumper stickers I like:

"My other ride is your Mom"

"My drinking team has a bowling problem"

"Don't laugh, this really is all I can afford"

I love the "If parts fall off honk"

Originally posted by wakeech
...and what would be "that fast", hmm??


2JZ GTE?

It's been said in other threads, but if you want to drop $6K (and take your life into your hands), you can buy a used motorcycle that will outrun most of the modded cars on the road.

This whole discussion doesn't mean anything, anyway. Give me $10,000 a Ford Pinto, and in a few months I'll give you an 11 second car. That doesn't mean that the Ford Pinto is a cool car.

The same logic applies to this conversation. A Civic that can blow the doors off of a Corvette ZO6 in a straight line will only have seats and the frame in common with a stock Civic. Drawing any conclusions about Civics and Vettes from that particular race is a waste of time.

Originally posted by rotaryDemon
2JZ GTE?

...why do you worship this, and completely discount the LS-1, which is comparable (in 'dressed' trim) in both size and mass, and its abillity to make power??
stop being so ignorant.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, anyone can make any car fast! Hasn't everyone here seen the video of the Dodge Aries K car running low 11 sec quarter mile times? what do you think we can buy the intial car for now? $200, $300?? All of the parts on that car were factory options pulled from other cars and adapted. OK lets just say junkyard figure of $300 for the raw parts. You can get a good turbo for about $400 off of eBay that works just fine and use a junkyard intercooler. After parts, labor, etc, what does all that add up to? Maybe $1500. Where's that $3K Civic now? You can not compare a stock car to a modded car. The excuse that one car costs more than the other to begin with is a lame rice comeback and not valid of any rational human thought. Remove 3 brain cells, do not pass go, do not collect $200. All the Hoda products with the exception of the NSX are wrong wheel drive too. This very nature leaves in unsuited to serious performance. Cheesefrog lives here in Houston. Yes his car is fast. He also had a CYM 3rd gen RX-7 that now belongs to Steve Kan. He likes rotaries and regardless of what he drives, he does not flaunt it. His car does not look rice and he does not insult other cars. He did it because he liked it. Not because it was cheap. Now after all this rambling...

I hate the bumper stickers that say "My child is an honor roll student at _______". Back then weren't we all honor students?

The better ones are the ones that say "My child beat up your honor student." That I like.

wow
there is alot of closed minded people of this forum

hell yeah there is. I can only laugh at some people on here. Man you need calm down and stop hating on other cars. Oh your little "that was a rice comeback" come dude grow up some. Your whole argument was a waiste IMHO. You probily just copied that from somewhere and actually have no idea how to build a motor let alone a fast car. Have a good day.

not just 'cause it's you, but this is one of my favourite anti-rice posts i've seen in a while...

Originally posted by rotarygod
I've said it once and I'll say it again, anyone can make any car fast! You can not compare a stock car to a modded car. The excuse that one car costs more than the other to begin with is a lame rice comeback and not valid of any rational human thought. All the Hoda products with the exception of the NSX are wrong wheel drive too. This very nature leaves in unsuited to serious performance.

"My child beat up your honor student." That I like.

(btw, i'm sure he forgot to include the S2000 with the NSX only in a fit of frustration)

w3rd. all the stupid magazine racing and number comparos in the world will never make a modded civic a real sports car. can it be cool?? sure, if that's what you're into, but it's not a sports car. mikeb, i've never said boo about your car, and i did think you did a fantastic job on it, and eagerly await your future masterpeice RX-8, 'cause i do know it'll be friggin' cool. you have always had an honesty about what you do with your car, and don't try to pass it off as anything else: in short, i just get this vibe of authenticity from you (your car is for you, and not your cool score). this immitation, the faux, the shallowness of ricer culture is really what makes it so lame; i can't find a pulse, there's no romance or passion in the scene. generally, i find idiots who know much less than they think about cars making themselves out to be jackasses is your typical ricer. taking pride in the craft of modification, revellry in creativity and expression in a wholly new vein of aesthetic isn't what's so frowned upon, at least by me (i hope so, anyway).

wakeech,
I really appreciate that.
I just get defensive because I've been a part of that scene for a long time.
trust me, when I see a civic with chrome windshield wipers
and fake dual exhaust and a oversized shopping kart spoiler---I laugh

Originally posted by wakeech
not just 'cause it's you, but this is one of my favourite anti-rice posts i've seen in a while...



(btw, i'm sure he forgot to include the S2000 with the NSX only in a fit of frustration)

w3rd. all the stupid magazine racing and number comparos in the world will never make a modded civic a real sports car. can it be cool?? sure, if that's what you're into, but it's not a sports car. mikeb, i've never said boo about your car, and i did think you did a fantastic job on it, and eagerly await your future masterpeice RX-8, 'cause i do know it'll be friggin' cool. you have always had an honesty about what you do with your car, and don't try to pass it off as anything else: in short, i just get this vibe of authenticity from you (your car is for you, and not your cool score). this immitation, the faux, the shallowness of ricer culture is really what makes it so lame; i can't find a pulse, there's no romance or passion in the scene. generally, i find idiots who know much less than they think about cars making themselves out to be jackasses is your typical ricer. taking pride in the craft of modification, revellry in creativity and expression in a wholly new vein of aesthetic isn't what's so frowned upon, at least by me (i hope so, anyway).

My god thats a speech! I like it!

there was a post in another forum about a dude wif a BMW who had the sticker "My other car is a Ferrari"
the person who posted joked about it to the BMW owner and the nex time they met, he wuz driving an F355 with the sticker "This is my other car"

Honda Killa
----> http://www.modernracer.com/dodgeneonsrt4.html

I cant get that link to work

Sorry, I edited it. I heard someone say that the seats are out of the Viper and it's so uncomfortable

http://www.modernracer.com/dodgeneonsrt4.html

Originally posted by Astor
Sorry, I edited it. I heard someone say that the seats are out of the Viper and it's so uncomfortable

Yes, i have read about this car before, a sweet package for the price.

But you know, I have a concern here.
Clearly the car is aimed at the under 25 male, many of whom(note I am not saying all) lack driving skill.

Put him on the road in ran or snow, and you have a 360 degree catastrophy, something the wrx avoids with its 4 wheel system.

I Saw a sticker on the back of a blazer that read..."Don't laugh you daughter might be in the back seat"


P.S. Stop hating on rice..I love it..Especially uncle ben's instant in a box...there's so many flavors...=)

Originally posted by klegg
a 360 degree catastrophy, something the wrx avoids with its 4 wheel system.

...*ahem* pardon?? 4wd does nothing to aid in grip, handling, or poor conditions. as a RWD enthusiast, it's important that i inform you about the 4wd myth: all it does is distribute the accelerating force about the four wheels, but beyond that offers no advantage whatsoever over a rwd system.

street racing is like competing in the special olympics...even if you win your still retarded.....Remember we don't talk about street racing on this forum...only racing on a "Track" or "Drag strip"

SikRedRx-8: I haven't stared at this thread in a while but I can't help but notice that I seem to have struck a nerve with you. I'm sorry about that. Here's some info about myself so you can draw your own conclusions. You apparently think that I probably can't build a motor let alone know what a fast car is. I have personally built and ported 13 rotary engines. The first one that I built was over a decade ago. Among them most have been streetported with 2 being bridgeports and only 1 stock port rebuild. Only 1 of them failed due to the moron owner being impatient and unwilling to tune it properly. Both of my RX-7s are streetported and I currently have a bridgeport on the engine stand waiting for a home. One is non turbo and the other is a 400 rwhp big single turbo car. BTW I built the intercooler myself. I designed and built the custom aluminum intake manifold on it, and I did every other piece of work to the car. I can also do body work and build one hell of a kick ass stereo system. Since I don't know what a fast car is I will assume that you believe that your RX-8 will take my RX-7's. You might edge out my 1st gen but my 2nd gen would have easily won with 1/4 of the boost it had. I say would have because that car turned into a money trap so I parted it out to work on the first gen and concentrate on getting an RX-8. I have known Paul Yaw for around 8 years. My first conversations with him were back before anyone even thought of hearing about an RX-8. With his help I built custom 13B exhaust port sleeves that maintain high velocity through keeping the area of the port constant. I currently use these on my engines. If you don't know what these are go find a picture of a 13B exhaust port and notice how the area expands 300% in 2 inches. Mine don't. I know how to figure out the proper intake runner length of a rotary (and piston) engine based on port timing and desired powerband. I know how to design a Helmholtz plenum and why it works the way it does. I know how to design a proper length exhaust system and can explain why headers haven't worked well up to this point on the RX-8. I have tons of autocross experience as well as road course time. Wakeech can verify what I do and don't know. If you ever have any rotary questions that you can't figure out than by all means ask me.

Wakeech: Yep forgot the S2000! Damn, now I've been wrong twice in my life! ;)

FWIW: My daily driver is a Honda Civic!

I don't hate other cars. My Honda gets 35 mpg on the highway. How can I hate that? It's just that if dirt were a sentient being I would have lost a race to it a long time ago. I hate rice. That's pretty funny seeing as I am half asian!

I have had and am still having a good day. Thankyou very much for your concern. I hope you do the same. :)

Originally posted by wakeech
...*ahem* pardon?? 4wd does nothing to aid in grip, handling, or poor conditions. as a RWD enthusiast, it's important that i inform you about the 4wd myth: all it does is distribute the accelerating force about the four wheels, but beyond that offers no advantage whatsoever over a rwd system.

I must respectfully disagree. On ice yes, but on rain and snow I have seen the real world benefits of awd. (remember I have owned 2 dsm awd's) I could do things in poor weather with my gsx that would have resulted in death in my mustang or firebird.

Now, a good driver can do great things with rwd (who remebers aryton senna?) but we are not all senna's! that was my point. AWD helps a less experanced driver in many situations.

Originally posted by klegg
I must respectfully disagree. On ice yes, but on rain and snow I have seen the real world benefits of awd. (remember I have owned 2 dsm awd's) I could do things in poor weather with my gsx that would have resulted in death in my mustang or firebird.

Now, a good driver can do great things with rwd (who remebers aryton senna?) but we are not all senna's! that was my point. AWD helps a less experanced driver in many situations.

no way man... under power, 4wd helps with acceleration.

if you're just in neutral, rolling over a patch of ice through a corner, it will not do anything for you at all. that being said, if it's a competition on low-grip surfaces, twice as much acceleration distributed more evenly about the car is better than not. ;)

btw: senna wasn't the greatest driver ever ;) otherwise Prost wouldn't have beaten him so many times... not to mention the unbelievable fire in the belly of Gilles Villeneuve *waves Canadian flag*

prost was great, but nobody could touch senna in the rain..the guy was superhuman.

What a loss..