:scared: :spew:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yxDVq2gGgaA

So who eats the cake? The boeing airline pilot or this guy flying in these winds? lol

Was posted in the "Things that make you say Damn" thread this morning. That was a scary, scary attempt at a landing! :Eyecrazy:

Some how I got the feeling that was a jpeg thread lol

:scared: :spew:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yxDVq2gGgaA

So who eats the cake? The boeing airline pilot or this guy flying in these winds? lol

Wow, scary....! I've seen guys do a landing like that on a way smaller scale with an RC plane with an 80 inch wingspan, but yikes! (An A320 is an Airbus plane, and the pilot would work for the airline who owns the plane, so no Boeing involvement :) )

Wow, scary....! I've seen guys do a landing like that on a way smaller scale with an RC plane with an 80 inch wingspan, but yikes! (An A320 is an Airbus plane, and the pilot would work for the airline who owns the plane, so no Boeing involvement :) )

I was talking about the Boening pilot that got canned for ridding low and dirty lol

I was talking about the Boening pilot that got canned for ridding low and dirty lol

I think the only pilots we have are test pilots. Must have been a pilot flying a different (Boeing built) plane?

Oh I dont know. All I know is he was flying low and dirty with the CEO on the plan and that was a big no no with faa so he go by by!

Yeah, if I remember that was a Cathway Pacific pilot that was supposedly just taking delivery of a new 757(I think it was) and did a fly by for everyone at about 30 feet off the ground. The FAA was not impressed and he got canned! :boink:

i seen this on the Weather Channel too.

:scared: :spew:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yxDVq2gGgaA

So who eats the cake? The boeing airline pilot or this guy flying in these winds? lol


Who eats it? How about the traffic controller who cleared him to land on that runway ? :eyetwitch


Terrifying for everyone involved no doubt, but damn if it doesn't look like something straight out of an action movie.

The pilot is at error in that landing. That is NOT good piloting. A good pilot would have handled it different. I was studying this video last night with my dad who was a pilot for over 30 years (air force and commercial airline). If the crosswind was too bad, he shouldn't have attempted the landing. Air traffic control may clear you to land based on the wind speeds they measure but that measurement might be across the field and not at the landing zone. Each plane has a max allowable crosswind limit.

If you look closely at the video, the pilot is not using the rudder at all. That's bad. What he should have done is right before landing, he should have used the rudder to straighten the plane out in relation to the runway. You never want to hit to ground with the plane facing diagonally. The trailing wingtip will come up on you every time just as it did in this video. This is especially pronounced on swept wing aircraft.

Look at a plane from above. Imagine it moving diagonally. You'll notice that the leading wing has more of it's frontal area facing forward which exposes more of it to lifing air. The trailing wing has less area exposed to the forward direction which reduces it's lift. This means you have more lift on the side of the plane that is facing more towards the runway. In the case of the video that would be the left side. Another issue is that you are also less aerodynamically efficient which equals more drag. This requires more power to stay up. When the wheels hit the ground with the plane oriented diagonally, the plane will have a tendency to straighten itself out based on the wheel contact. When this happens the trailing wing which has had less lift now presents itself evenly to more air which means it will suddenly increase it's lifting properties greatly. You can see this happen very well in the video as when the plane straightens out, the trailing wing immediately gets lift and the plane lunges over. At this point there is very little that the control surfaces can do to help you.

The proper way to do it would have been to use the rudder to straighten the plane out just before touchdown. Yes the plane will drift diagonally a little bit but a good pilot will account for this. Get the plane straightened out where you can still control it. When the wheels hit in a forward direction, a wing will not pop up. Take a look at some different crosswind landing videos online and you'll see what I mean.

This was pure and simple bad piloting. He's going to get in trouble over that one.

I dont' understand why he even attempted to land that thing under those conditions.
Glad no one was hurt


edit: CRAP, RG beat me to it.

how many people on board?

The pilot is at error in that landing. That is NOT good piloting. A good pilot would have handled it different. I was studying this video last night with my dad who was a pilot for over 30 years (air force and commercial airline). If the crosswind was too bad, he shouldn't have attempted the landing. Air traffic control may clear you to land based on the wind speeds they measure but that measurement might be across the field and not at the landing zone. Each plane has a max allowable crosswind limit.

If you look closely at the video, the pilot is not using the rudder at all. That's bad. What he should have done is right before landing, he should have used the rudder to straighten the plane out in relation to the runway. You never want to hit to ground with the plane facing diagonally. The trailing wingtip will come up on you every time just as it did in this video. This is especially pronounced on swept wing aircraft.

Look at a plane from above. Imagine it moving diagonally. You'll notice that the leading wing has more of it's frontal area facing forward which exposes more of it to lifing air. The trailing wing has less area exposed to the forward direction which reduces it's lift. This means you have more lift on the side of the plane that is facing more towards the runway. In the case of the video that would be the left side. Another issue is that you are also less aerodynamically efficient which equals more drag. This requires more power to stay up. When the wheels hit the ground with the plane oriented diagonally, the plane will have a tendency to straighten itself out based on the wheel contact. When this happens the trailing wing which has had less lift now presents itself evenly to more air which means it will suddenly increase it's lifting properties greatly. You can see this happen very well in the video as when the plane straightens out, the trailing wing immediately gets lift and the plane lunges over. At this point there is very little that the control surfaces can do to help you.

The proper way to do it would have been to use the rudder to straighten the plane out just before touchdown. Yes the plane will drift diagonally a little bit but a good pilot will account for this. Get the plane straightened out where you can still control it. When the wheels hit in a forward direction, a wing will not pop up. Take a look at some different crosswind landing videos online and you'll see what I mean.

This was pure and simple bad piloting. He's going to get in trouble over that one.

We talked about this down at the squadron today. The general consensus was that a what a good pilot would have done is diverted, but they had a case of "get-home-itis."

You can actually see him remove the crab (his diagonal angle into the wind) about 20 feet AGL, but the wind lifts the upwind wing WAY up and makes the downwind wing strike. In an interview afterward, the pilot says (conveniently translated by a cadet IP that speaks German) that the wing "forced the left wing down" which kind of shows his lack of understanding of the situation. When this happens, he corrects by crabbing back into the wind, compounding his problem. What he should have done is dropped the right wing, which would prevent it from being pushed up.

On that note, we have several reservists around whose day job is flying the A320. They say its crosswind performance is marginal at best, since when you remove the aforementioned crab it's difficult to maintain enough airflow over the ailerons to drop that wing. So it's mostly the pilot's fault, and partially the airplane's fault.

crazy stuff

how many people on board?

Full house yeah?

Yeah, if I remember that was a Cathway Pacific pilot that was supposedly just taking delivery of a new 757(I think it was) and did a fly by for everyone at about 30 feet off the ground. The FAA was not impressed and he got canned! :boink:

Actually it was a 777-300, a $260 million widebody. Apparently he didn't understand "Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full".

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/02/27/fly.by.firing.ap/index.html

My father was a commercial pilot of over 30 years (L1011 Captain) and in my personal opinion, I'm just not a fan of Airbus. I also agree that he didn't handle that landing well at all.

Paul.

LOL, I didn't realize it happened here at Paine Field.

that was a ha ha ^^

but seriously, i get the feeling he did a good job, at least he didn't crash the damn thing

Thank goodness VTEC kicked in.

i think that was nitrous

that was a ha ha ^^

but seriously, i get the feeling he did a good job, at least he didn't crash the damn thing

If he'd have done a good job he wouldn't have hit the left wingtip and the right engine on the pavement. He also wouldn't have had his landing gear touch the ground on the dirt next to the runway. Saying he did a good job because he didn't crash is like saying a person who is driving stupidly and messes up was a good driver because they didn't total the car. If they'd have been driving good, it wouldn't have happened. This guy is lucky. He's not good.